Time  Nick         Message
23:16 * dcook      waves
22:16 magnuse      good night cait
22:16 cait         good night all!
22:16 cait         don't stay up too late!
22:16 cait         hope it goes well :)
22:15 wahanui      magnuse: I forgot magnuse
22:15 magnuse      wahanui: forget magnuse
22:14 magnuse      doing a long overdue upgrade from 19.05 to 19.11
22:10 wahanui      well, magnuse is really waiting for the self check vendor to tell me if they can send 99 less often
22:10 cait         magnuse?
22:10 cait         too busy as always, and you?
21:58 magnuse      wie gehts cait
21:46 cait         hello
21:36 magnuse      kia ora cait
20:17 magnuse      \o/
20:02 henryb       caroline++
20:01 henryb       Sorry I missed the meeting! It looks like it was a really productive one.
19:06 caroline     thanks ashimema!
19:05 ashimema     you did great
19:05 ashimema     caroline++
19:05 * caroline   goes to pet her cat
19:05 lucyvh       thanks Caroline, bye all
19:05 caroline     and I apologize again for my shaky chairing, today is just weird
19:05 caroline     thanks everyone for your imputs!
19:04 huginn       Log:            https://meetings.koha-community.org/2020/documentation_irc_meeting_12_november_2020.2020-11-12-18.01.log.html
19:04 huginn       Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-community.org/2020/documentation_irc_meeting_12_november_2020.2020-11-12-18.01.txt
19:04 huginn       Minutes:        https://meetings.koha-community.org/2020/documentation_irc_meeting_12_november_2020.2020-11-12-18.01.html
19:04 huginn       Meeting ended Thu Nov 12 19:04:57 2020 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
19:04 caroline     #endmeeting
19:04 caroline     #info Next meeting: 10 December 2020, 18 UTC
19:04 ashimema     yup
19:04 thd          10 Dec++
19:04 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #945: SUCCESS in 49 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/945/
19:03 caroline     (I think(
19:03 caroline     so just wirting "add new item type form" at least tells them they aren't missing out on anything important
19:03 caroline     Usually images in the manual just show what that part of Koha looks like, images don't necessarily add to the text, but blind people can't know that
19:02 caroline     I for one would be curious what "image1455" is...
19:02 caroline     but if someone with a screen reader is read "image1455" it's not clear if the image adds to the text or not
19:02 lucyvh       Dec 10 good for me
19:01 caroline     thd indeed
19:01 thd          Trying again:  Obviously, with or without alt text for images, the text of the manual should make things clear.
19:01 caroline     is that good?
19:01 caroline     4 weeks from now is dec 10
19:00 thd          Obviously, with or without alt the text of the manual should make things clear.
19:00 caroline     #topic  Set time of next meeting
19:00 caroline     priority is to Work on new features and enhancements for 20.11
18:59 caroline     #topic  Next steps
18:59 caroline     I'll leavet he other points for next meeting
18:59 lucyvh       Will do
18:59 caroline     #info when adding images, remember to add alt text for increased accessibility
18:59 ashimema     I noticed there was a start on that :)
18:59 ashimema     cool caroline
18:58 caroline     so when you add images, please add some descriptive text with it to help people with accessibility issues
18:58 caroline     I put it here
18:58 caroline     #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/ReStructuredText_-_Tips_and_Tricks#Images
18:58 caroline     #linkhttps://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/ReStructuredText_-_Tips_and_Tricks#Images
18:58 caroline     After Julius' talk at Koha con on accessibility, I looked up how to add alt text to images in the manual
18:57 caroline     I had two things I wanted to discuss here, but it's getting late
18:57 caroline     #topic  Content development guidelines
18:56 lucyvh       I just need work to quieten down so I can do more manual stuff
18:55 caroline     it's something I feel I'm good at so it helps in moments where work is hard
18:54 ashimema     indeed
18:54 cait         sometimes it's good because it gets other stuff done...
18:54 ashimema     I have a very large 'procrastination list'
18:54 ashimema     haha.. I know that feeling caroline...
18:54 cait         you can see it on translate
18:54 cait         string wise... prefs are massive
18:54 cait         it is our biggest, removing hte Administration bits was a first step, but it might not be enough for editing in the browser
18:54 ashimema     some chapters are indeed pretty big
18:54 caroline     I procrastinate by being production on the manual
18:54 lucyvh       :)
18:53 caroline     no worries, like I said it helps me relieve stress :)
18:53 lucyvh       As I say, may just be for me?
18:53 lucyvh       It gives you more work - sorry caroline!
18:53 caroline     #action caroline (or anyone) to divide the syspref file as it is getting too big for updates through gitlab GUI
18:52 caroline     I wanted to make smaller chapters anyway
18:52 caroline     by module
18:52 caroline     ok I'll try to divide it more
18:52 lucyvh       My just be me :)
18:51 lucyvh       It freezes in my browser so can't make updates?
18:51 caroline     maybe we shoudl divide it up?
18:51 caroline     oh!
18:51 lucyvh       I think the file might be getting too big?
18:51 caroline     how are you struggling?
18:51 lucyvh       I've managed just a couple - I'm struggling to update systempreferences.rst at the mo!
18:50 caroline     I know I did a bit because it releives stress for me to work on this lol!
18:50 caroline     means the manual is being worked on
18:50 caroline     We've had a couple merge requests, so that's good
18:49 caroline     #topic  What's been done so far
18:49 thd          I will not have my mother stopping me from doing things for Koha, because I am not doing any real travelling.
18:49 caroline     I don't think there are any other updates on projects
18:48 caroline     cool!
18:48 thd          That is likely to be the first two weeks in January.
18:47 talljoy      good day!
18:47 thd          I am arranging to have a special period of doing a job from a friends home in Washington, DC caring for his father for a couple of weeks which should give me some better concentrated isolation of sorts for the wiki.
18:45 thd          Yes.
18:45 caroline     thd wiki?
18:45 caroline     anyone has project updates?
18:44 caroline     #topic  Project updates
18:44 caroline     ok moving on...
18:43 caroline     anything to add on the topic of workflow optimization?
18:43 caroline     #action caroline will document workflow for 21.05
18:43 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D10_Deps build #135: FAILURE in 1 min 7 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10_Deps/135/
18:42 caroline     #info anyone can add Manual keyword if they feel it is needed
18:42 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D10_Deps build #134: FIXED in 42 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10_Deps/134/
18:42 wahanui      Congratulations!
18:42 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
18:41 cait         i qa
18:41 cait         there might be bugs (not enh) that warrant changes in the docs - so good to keep an eye out for those maybe
18:41 * caroline   blushes
18:41 caroline     #action change the Documentation to-do search on bz main page to include Documentation component OR manual keyword
18:40 ashimema     caroline++ #being generally awesome
18:40 caroline     #agreed docs manager will go through release notes and add Manual keyword where it is needed
18:39 caroline     #agreed the manual keyword will replace taiga for the 21.05 release as a test for this workflow
18:39 caroline     If someone has an objection, please voice it
18:39 caroline     I want to summarize what we agree on
18:38 caroline     ashimema proposed to do it during qa, but I don't want to transfer this load to you necessarily
18:37 caroline     It would be the same basic thing I'm doing right now, go through release notes and add where I fell documentation is needed
18:37 caroline     but yeah  please do
18:37 caroline     I would
18:37 cait         can i still use it in qa when i notice something will need docs?
18:37 cait         who is supposed to set the new manual keyword after the clean-up?
18:36 wahanui      caroline: that doesn't look right
18:36 caroline     change one thing at a time
18:36 caroline     I think we should use the comments until we are happy with the workflow
18:36 ashimema     I can very easily add the custom field.. just checking if I can make it like assignee allowing you to pick a bugzilla user
18:36 cait         but a comment could work too until it gets a lot
18:35 cait         i still think it might be nice to see if someone has already taken it on
18:35 cait         we could propose it
18:34 caroline     like kelly and lucyvh would end up with everything
18:34 caroline     but I think that would be a bit unfair
18:34 ashimema     for 'docs assignee' perhaps
18:34 caroline     I could try to assign bugs to docs writers from compagnies of the dev
18:34 ashimema     afraid not.. though we could add a custom field to bugzilla easily enough
18:33 caroline     Can there be more than one assignee per bug?
18:33 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D10 build #405: FIXED in 56 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10/405/
18:33 wahanui      Congratulations!
18:33 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
18:33 ashimema     cookies !
18:33 ashimema     :)
18:33 ashimema     what I'd really like to see if submitters taking a bit more responsability for documenting their submissions... doesn't mean the dev has to write the docs (often us devs are terrible at writing docs people can understand)... but they can and should pester their companies to help them write docs
18:32 caroline     thanks! I need some
18:32 * cait       sends cookies
18:32 caroline     #info new workflow will be to go through release notes and add the Manual keyword where a manual update is neede
18:32 caroline     # info new workflow will be to go through release notes and add the Manual keyword where a manual update is neede
18:32 caroline     info new workflow will be to go through release notes and add the Manual keyword where a manual update is needed
18:32 cait         sounds good - i meant writing manual patches for the ones i set myself would also be a way to get rid of them :)
18:32 ashimema     making us all a bit more joined up
18:31 ashimema     we're talking about making it a more official workflow cait :)
18:31 cait         i could also try and fix them all... hm
18:31 caroline     no worries, it's for next release
18:31 cait         oh i thought it was only me using it :)
18:31 cait         but it's probably not going ot happen before next week
18:30 ashimema     128 bugs with manual keyword right now cait
18:30 cait         I see
18:30 ashimema     \i'm just volunteering you for things
18:30 cait         are here that many actually?
18:30 caroline     #agreed for the 21.05 release we will try using the "manual" keyword instead of Taiga to build up the task list
18:30 ashimema     naughty cait ;)
18:30 ashimema     haha.
18:30 ashimema     were you going to draw a fresh line.. i.e. just remove the keyword as it stands from everything and start fresh for 21.05... I think that's probably the easyest thing to do
18:29 cait         oh no, i am missing the meeting, again
18:29 caroline     #action ashimema will ask cait or rangi to clean up the manual keyword
18:29 caroline     good idea!
18:29 ashimema     I can probably get cait/rangi to do that (that way they can do a mass clean and disable email so we don't spam the life out of people)
18:28 caroline     #action caroline will clean up the manual keywords in bugzilla
18:28 caroline     ok so first we have to clean up the manual keyword
18:27 ashimema     that's how I did it as release manager
18:27 ashimema     it's very lightwieght to use bugzilla.. especailly as the release note drafts contain links to bugzilla.. you can quickly click through, add the keyword, then close the tab
18:27 caroline     We can try it like this for the 21.05 release and see if it works better
18:26 caroline     well, I think the purpose was to mlimit the number of tools we use
18:26 ashimema     just so long as we're all on the same page :)
18:26 ashimema     whatever you're most comfortable with
18:26 ashimema     taiga would in effect contain the same list
18:26 caroline     So I could do the same and instead of adding a Taiga entry, I would just add the manual keyword
18:26 ashimema     and means the manual keyword is a bit redundant
18:25 ashimema     that's a reasonable approach
18:25 ashimema     coolios
18:25 caroline     (Joubu's suggestion, I need to give credit :) )
18:24 caroline     yeah that's why I was using the release notes commits to see the pushes as they were pushed
18:24 ashimema     manuals tend to be a few month behind.. at lest
18:24 ashimema     hope that makes sense
18:24 ashimema     reason I like the idea of adding the keyword at PQA time is that the QA person aught to have a good idea as to whether things have changed enough to warrant a manual entry and it also builds the queue of things to do before the release.. so we might stand a chance of having a manual to release with the release
18:23 caroline     it helps me see only the new stuff that's been pushed
18:23 caroline     I do it periodically with the commits on gitlab
18:22 ashimema     to build your list.. at or just after release?
18:22 ashimema     so when do you tend to go through the release notes caroline?
18:22 lucyvh       Yes, that sort of development definitely
18:21 caroline     ashimema wrote a bunch for the cash management part since he worked so much on it
18:21 caroline     We can ask for help when it's too big
18:21 lucyvh       But not sure how to define that?
18:20 lucyvh       I think perhaps we only need devs to do this for the bigger features?
18:20 caroline     and then the writers do a more thorough one when they come upon this particular task
18:19 caroline     When I go through the release notes to add them to Taiga, I do a first screening
18:19 ashimema     who makes the call to say "I think this will need an update in the manual"
18:19 caroline     I don't want to add to your load
18:19 ashimema     perhaps that could be part of QA?
18:18 ashimema     so it needs a little interaction as to when something needs a manual update
18:18 ashimema     agreed
18:18 caroline     like back-end stuff, we don't add to the manual
18:18 ashimema     I've tried writing them before QA before.. but then QA often results in changes..
18:18 caroline     but not necessarily every bug needs to go in the manual
18:18 ashimema     kinda depends when we want the docs to be written
18:17 ashimema     well.. the RM could add the keyword upon pushing the feature
18:17 ashimema     the challenge at the moment is that there's loads of bugs marked with the keyword and I'm not sure which ones have already been dealt with
18:17 caroline     I guess I could do it from the release notes as I do it now
18:17 caroline     We just need to determine when it's best that the docs manager go through and add the keyword
18:16 ashimema     :)
18:16 caroline     then we could add the manual keyword to the Documentation to-do search
18:15 caroline     yeah but it seems a good way
18:15 ashimema     it just 'a way'
18:15 ashimema     well.. I'm not attached to doing it that way.
18:15 ashimema     much like the 'release-notes-needed' Keyword is being used at the minute... if it's an enhancement or new feature at push time, the RM adds 'release-notes-needed' and then when we come to work on the release notes we work through all those with that keyword and as we add the release notes text we remove the keyword
18:15 caroline     When is the best time to add this keyword? like should we have a list of things to go through?
18:14 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #944: FIXED in 49 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/944/
18:14 wahanui      Congratulations!
18:14 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
18:14 ashimema     yup
18:13 ashimema     then the idea as once they'd submitted a manual merge request they could remove the keyword
18:13 ashimema     it filters on who wrote the bug (*@bywater.com or *@ptfs-europe.com) and having the keyword 'Manual'..
18:13 caroline     are tey based on the Manual keyword?
18:13 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1494: FIXED in 52 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/1494/
18:13 wahanui      Congratulations!
18:13 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
18:13 ashimema     those are searches I introduced to try and encourage ptfs-e and bywater to write manual entries for the bugs they wrote..
18:12 caroline     what is Manual - ByWater and Manual - PTFS-E on the main page?
18:12 ashimema     but yeah.. we should work out a workflow for including both parties... making sure there's a smooth transition from 'dev has finished writing the code' to 'someone makes sure theres a corresponding manual update submitted'
18:11 ashimema     whereas the 'Documenatation' component was more about 'bugs with the documentation'
18:10 caroline     #action  caroline will check with ashimema on how to best insert the docs writing into the dev workflow
18:10 ashimema     well.. once upon a time I think it was used to make a bug that needed a manual entry writing still
18:10 caroline     I'll actionize it again so I don't forget
18:09 caroline     I though that was your policy of having devs write better docs
18:09 caroline     but maybe we should?
18:08 caroline     I've never used it
18:08 ashimema     so you guys don't use the 'Manual' keyword at all?
18:08 caroline     which I haven't done despite the reminder by ashimema lol!
18:08 caroline     then I was supposed to check with ashimema on how to work ourselves in the dev workflow on bugzilla
18:07 caroline     #action davidnind will check how we can use gitlab to simplify the workflow
18:07 caroline     david says he's still working on this
18:07 caroline     davidnind will check how we can use gitlab to simplify the workflow
18:07 caroline     all the other action points were to try to optimize this
18:06 lucyvh       Looks great, will be really useful
18:06 caroline     as we discussed last time, it's not the most optimal workflow, but it's the one we have right now
18:06 caroline     this was in response to a question by henryb about the workflow and how all the tools work together
18:05 caroline     #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Editing_the_Koha_Manual#How_do_Bugzilla.2C_Taiga_and_Gitlab_work_together.3F
18:05 ashimema     caroline++
18:05 caroline     omg... sorry!
18:05 caroline     link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Editing_the_Koha_Manual#How_do_Bugzilla.2C_Taiga_and_Gitlab_work_together.3F
18:05 caroline     caroline will write out the current workflow
18:05 caroline     omg... -_-
18:05 caroline     Which has been done, and is available here caroline will write out the current workflow
18:04 caroline     First action point was caroline will write out the current workflow
18:04 caroline     #topic  Review of action points
18:04 thd          #info, Thomas Dukleth, New York City [A little pre-occupied with sometime employer in hospital]
18:03 caroline     [off] my head's not on straight today, I apologize in advance
18:02 ashimema     #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe
18:02 lucyvh       #info Lucy Vaux-Harvey, PTFS-Europe
18:02 caroline     #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inLibro
18:02 caroline     please use "#info" in front of your introduction to have it show up in the automatic minutes
18:02 caroline     #topic Introductions
18:01 caroline     #link agenda https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Documentation_IRC_meeting_12_November_2020
18:01 ashimema     #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Euope
18:01 caroline     #link agenda Documentation IRC meeting 12 November 2020
18:01 tcohen       oops
18:01 tcohen       cait I think I found it
18:01 caroline     oh boy, it's going to be a long one, lol!
18:01 huginn       The meeting name has been set to 'documentation_irc_meeting_12_november_2020'
18:01 huginn       Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
18:01 huginn       Meeting started Thu Nov 12 18:01:22 2020 UTC.  The chair is caroline. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
18:01 caroline     #startmeeting Documentation IRC meeting 12 November 2020
18:01 caroline     startmeeting Documentation IRC meeting 12 November 2020
18:01 lucyvh       My calendar also
18:00 thd          Some of clocks are in synch.
18:00 ashimema     so my calendar tells me
18:00 caroline     meeting time?
17:59 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U20 build #142: STILL UNSTABLE in 45 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U20/142/
17:50 tuxayo       24              00120201112    175002AEEdna Acosta|AA23529001000463|BLY|CQN|AFGreetings from Koha. |AOCPL|
17:50 tuxayo       oops, patron_information != patron_status_request
17:47 tuxayo       https://copycat.drycat.fr/?411a1ec84cf71e6c#Dw8UrakXct393csMYLiU29AEtXgh7bbcNCK9bziQU4gD
17:47 tuxayo       Does anyone know SIP? It's about finding where the `patron status` field is. I'm looking for the `too many items overdue` field
17:37 ashimema     meeting
17:37 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9_My8 build #463: FIXED in 1 hr 5 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_My8/463/
17:37 wahanui      Congratulations!
17:37 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
17:37 wahanui      well, Next meeting is https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Next_IRC_meetings
17:37 ashimema     Next meeting?
17:35 huginn       tcohen: The operation succeeded.
17:35 tcohen       @later tell cait I'm getting closer
17:26 ashimema     just waiting for website cache
17:26 ashimema     well.. I think I did
17:26 ashimema     I got it sorted..
17:26 ashimema     no worries
17:26 cait2        ashimema: sorry, didn't see you, will be bac in a bit from the other computer
17:24 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest build #440: FIXED in 51 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest/440/
17:24 wahanui      Congratulations!
17:24 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
17:20 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U2010 build #48: FIXED in 49 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U2010/48/
17:20 wahanui      Congratulations!
17:20 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
17:14 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U16 build #127: FIXED in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U16/127/
17:14 wahanui      Congratulations!
17:14 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
16:34 huginn       ashimema: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 2 weeks, 2 days, 19 hours, 49 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> curses
16:34 ashimema     @seen wizzyrea
16:33 ashimema     wizzyrea around?>
16:32 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D11 build #140: FAILURE in 1 min 14 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11/140/
16:30 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 26948: Remove double encoding from sent emails <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4415fdb0f4785dff24c9773f85a9b32885c385ac>
16:30 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 26990: (bug 22284 follow-up) Prevent hold to be placed if cannot be transferred <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fbd0bbf98f574a7eb804673978a198eea6fdd798>
16:30 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 24083: (QA follow-up) Fix failing tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=552ea4e9d27a1d075e009e13bde63b2c91962644>
16:30 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 22818: (QA follow-up) Respond to feedback <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1dadf8823357573b740b0c259f16cf18ab4e8904>
16:30 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 26948: Regression tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=64ee6f0b2bbcc9b23520c689146f1c5cf905e997>
16:30 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 24083: (QA follow-up) Fix DB upgrade <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0423d09e57f6a64656dc0f82a10c82962960e049>
16:28 caroline     calling all caits around
16:28 caroline     lol!
16:27 ashimema     cait cait1 cait2 cait2
16:26 ashimema     cait still around?
16:25 caroline     I'm not sure who those notes are targeting
16:25 caroline     do we need to add release notes for technical stuff?
16:24 ashimema     and using a 'technical' keyword in BZ to split them...?
16:24 ashimema     perhaps splitting them in two might help make them a bit more digestable.. a set of 'Technical notes' and a more 'End user notes' set perhaps
16:23 * ashimema   has been contemplating the release notes again..
16:21 ashimema     49 bugs.. that's a more manageable list now: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=runnamed&list_id=351733&namedcmd=Needs%20release%20notes
16:15 ashimema     but that's still partly to do with me not fully understanding your processes yet docs team :)
16:15 ashimema     there's loads of bugs with 'Manual' still on them.. we should probably go through and clean those out at some point too
16:13 caroline     cleaning up is good
16:13 tuxayo       thanks ashimema
16:11 ashimema     sorry for all the BZ spam btw people.. I'm cleaning up the old 'release-notes-needed' tags so we can see the wood for the trees
16:10 caroline     lol!
16:10 ashimema     git works in mysterious ways
16:09 caroline     I'm not learned enough in git to understand why/what happens
16:09 caroline     and sometimes it resolves itself and sometimes not
16:09 caroline     I don't know why it does this when people make several merge requests
16:08 ashimema     I can take a look
16:08 caroline     today it's ok so I'll merge it
16:08 caroline     There is one merge request left, but it would rebase automatically
16:07 caroline     bit better... but it's not something that will go away in one day :)
16:05 ashimema     thanks for merging my cash management manual stuff :)
16:05 ashimema     how goes it today caroline :)
15:54 caroline     sorry I wasn't there yesterday to do it... I took a much needed mental health day
15:53 caroline     Joubu: I relayed the message to Maryse
15:48 tcohen       I mean, I'm searching directly in zebra
15:47 tcohen       if we showed the 'Show analytics' link all the time, it wouldn't show results either
15:47 tcohen       but the problem is not the feature per-se, it is the indexing
15:46 tcohen       it eventually showed up
15:46 tcohen       that erratic behaviour is really odd
15:46 tcohen       do the query on Zebra again: no results: BAD
15:46 tcohen       we could blame the indexer daemon, lets stop it just in case, full reindex, restart zebra
15:45 tcohen       if you query Zebra for that Record-control-number, it doesn't find any results: BAD
15:45 tcohen       truth is: if you run the oneliner I pasted, you will notice our xslt produces the Record-control-number index for the record: GOOD
15:44 cait2        i blamed myself
15:43 cait2        tcohen: i DID have some trouble testing... but then it started to work and i was happy
15:09 tcohen       there's some caching thing here
15:03 tcohen       it is now working WTF
15:03 tcohen       this is sad
14:54 tcohen       any help is welcome
14:54 huginn       Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26480 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED , With UseControlNumber on, "Show analytics" link doesn't show on parent record
14:54 tcohen       this is bug 26480 FYI
14:54 tcohen       still cannot find it
14:54 tcohen       something changed recently?
14:48 fridolin     crap
14:47 tcohen       this is staff
14:47 tcohen       running the same query in Zebra gives results
14:47 tcohen       I tried that, and it returns the record (amongst others)
14:47 tcohen       That's the output from warning the output of search
14:46 fridolin     try ccl=record-control-number,alwaysmatches=''
14:46 fridolin     tcohen: opac of staff ?
14:46 fridolin     rcn is well in C4::Search::getIndexes
14:46 tcohen       https://gitlab.com/koha-community/Koha/-/blob/master/catalogue/detail.pl#L157
14:45 tcohen       \ []
14:45 tcohen       undef
14:45 tcohen       "rcn:17446121 AND (bib-level:a OR bib-level:b)"
14:44 tcohen       but why doesn't it return results :-D
14:44 fridolin     tcohen: ahhh yep koha replaces : with = ;)
14:42 pastebot     "tcohen" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "fridolin: it works in Zebra. The problem is Koha" (9 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/26113
14:39 fridolin     but try also : record-control-number,alwaysmatches=''
14:38 fridolin     oposit of phr = phrase
14:38 fridolin     wrdl = word list
14:38 fridolin     ccl is : record-control-number,wrdl:17446121
14:37 tcohen       because it was clearly working
14:37 tcohen       I now need to see what changed since this was written
14:37 tcohen       at least I know zebra has the things indexed correctly
14:36 cait2        does that help it?
14:36 cait2        oh
14:36 tcohen       to use = instead of : :-D
14:35 tcohen       I always forget
14:35 cait2        fridolin: ?
14:35 tcohen       oh
14:35 cait2        hm
14:35 tcohen       record-control-number:17446121
14:33 cait2        how does the ccl look like now?
14:32 tcohen       I'm not sure how to do that on CCL
14:30 cait2        have you tried with the changed attribute?
14:30 cait2        tcohen: what frido was pointing out is that you can't search rcn as phrase
14:29 tcohen       there, there is Record-control-number
14:28 tcohen       on the query
14:28 tcohen       I typoed the biblionumber
14:28 pastebot     "tcohen" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "fridolin" (52 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/26111
14:27 wahanui      tcohen: I forgot that
14:27 tcohen       forget that
14:27 tcohen       and I don't see Record-control-number
14:27 tcohen       that command gives you the zebra indexes that would be generated for the biblio I specified
14:25 wahanui      that is only updated manually, every now and then
14:25 cait2        what is that?
14:25 tcohen       ^^ we should have an alias for that
14:25 pastebot     "tcohen" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "xsltproc /etc/koha/zebradb/mar" (3 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/26110
14:25 tcohen       sorry
14:25 tcohen       sed -n 's/metadata: //;2,$p' )
14:25 tcohen       "select  metadata from biblio_metadata where biblionumber=438 limit 1\\G" | \
14:25 tcohen       xsltproc /etc/koha/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/biblios/biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl <(sudo koha-mysql kohadev <<< \
14:25 tcohen       but running this:
14:24 tcohen       I see it there
14:24 fridolin     to get all records with any value$
14:24 fridolin     tcohen: use in staff simple search : ccl=record-control-number,alwaysmatches=''
14:23 fridolin     https://software.indexdata.com/zebra/doc/querymodel-rpn.html#querymodel-bib1-structure
14:23 cait2        fridolin: so only word list but no phrase...
14:23 fridolin     so you may add @attr 4=6
14:22 fridolin     tcohen: i see Record-control-number:w, no : p
14:22 cait2        rcn is an old index, it's already in use for many versions, so thisis odd
14:21 cait2        can you share the record you expect?
14:21 tcohen       but
14:21 tcohen       that would mean no record with that index has been added
14:21 fridolin     tcohen: ah maybe not a "known" index
14:20 severine_q   right @magnuse, it was HOLD_SLIP :)
14:20 pastebot     "tcohen" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "root@kohadevbox:koha(bug_26480" (21 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/26109
14:20 cait2        yep
14:20 fridolin     in ccl.properites
14:20 fridolin     rcn Record-control-number
14:20 fridolin     Record-control-number 1=1045
14:20 cait2        yes
14:20 ashimema     doesn't it?
14:20 cait2        773$w in this case
14:20 ashimema     rcn = record control number
14:20 cait2        77x$w
14:19 cait2        it should work, but maybe it gives a clue
14:19 fridolin     biblionumber ?
14:19 fridolin     tcohen: what is rcn
14:19 cait2        i think one is the short form of the other
14:19 cait2        tcohen: can you try record-control-number instead?
14:19 * ashimema   has let most zebra knowledge seep out of his brain at this point
14:19 fridolin     🦓
14:19 fridolin     https://emojipedia.org/zebra/
14:19 fridolin     i try to be on both Zebra en ES
14:19 fridolin     yepppp
14:17 ashimema     you
14:17 tcohen       I'm not sure why searching for rcn is returning no results
14:17 wahanui      fridolin is indeed, but maybe not on Rmain 18.11
14:17 ashimema     fridolin
14:17 ashimema     we have a zebra topic expert now
14:16 tcohen       I need help with Zebra
14:16 magnuse      severine_q++
14:16 magnuse      but i can see it for checkin, so you are right
14:15 magnuse      can't see it for hold
14:14 severine_q   if I remermber well, for HOLD slip, you need to use a borrowernumber with an hold on an item
14:13 severine_q   big problem with 'a' today...
14:13 severine_q   yes @mgnuse, when editing the notice but not for all of them I think
14:12 magnuse      huh, didn't we have a thing where you could preview notices and slips by filling in borrowernumber, itemnumber etc?
14:12 severine_q   argh... I don't like this question tuxayo, let me check with Nicolas
13:52 tuxayo       severine_q: I have a question: do you use KohaDevBox or koha testing docker?
13:50 cait2        we should fix in 20.11
13:50 cait2        20.11... sorry, the meetings are getting to my head.
13:46 tuxayo       Important for a project with so much history.
13:46 tuxayo       severine_q: yes! From time to time, I read the timeline to learn interesting stuff about Koha ^^
13:44 huginn       Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15851 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to master , Only display "Analytics: Show analytics" when records have linked analytics
13:44 cait2        bug 15851 is in
13:43 cait2        we will advertise the feature and if it's broken, that's bad
13:43 cait2        yes I believe that might be a mistake or up for discussion
13:43 severine_q   thanks tuxayo ! I'm hppy to help the community with a such important patch !! :)
13:43 huginn       Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26480 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED , With UseControlNumber on, "Show analytics" link doesn't show on parent record
13:43 cait2        because the feature is already pushed
13:43 tcohen       bug 26480
13:43 cait2        can you give me the number tcohen?
13:42 wahanui      the bug is that perl code is not activ since its not in PER5LIB
13:42 cait2        the bug?
13:42 * tcohen     hasn't slept well
13:42 tcohen       haha
13:42 tcohen       so it will magically get fixed
13:42 tcohen       cait2, Joubu marked it 20.11
13:40 wahanui      o/`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
13:40 tuxayo       confetti!
13:40 huginn       Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25700 minor, P5 - low, ---, severine.queune, Pushed to master , Recent Kohacons are missing from the timeline
13:40 tuxayo       severine_q: congrats for bug 25700 BTW
13:39 cait2        just worried about that one, but have lost track of it
13:39 cait2        ah thx
13:39 tcohen       I'm on it at the moment
13:38 cait2        did you have time yet to check the issue reported witht he display of the show analytics link?
13:38 tuxayo       severine_q: don't worry, blame the keyboard :)
13:38 tcohen       yes
13:38 cait2        I'll try :)
13:38 cait2        tcohen: around?
13:38 severine_q   and be brave...
13:38 severine_q   thanks cait2 !
13:38 cait2        number 4
13:37 cait2        ... and runs into the next online meeting :(
13:37 * cait2      sends cookies
13:37 severine_q   i'm so ashamed...
13:37 severine_q   tuxayo you're making me feel worse each time you add a word !!!!
13:37 tuxayo       ho, right :o
13:36 cait2        be careful or you'll get a new nickname :)
13:36 tuxayo       The exclamation marks are the icing on the cake
13:33 cait2        thx for brightening up my day :)
13:33 cait2        rofl
13:33 tuxayo       What's up around Koha on your side?
13:33 tuxayo       indeed ^^
13:31 severine_q   très vilaine coquille...
13:31 tuxayo       he he, no worries
13:30 severine_q   argh... i'm so sorry !!!!
13:30 tuxayo       https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/slut
13:30 tuxayo       typo of month right here
13:29 tuxayo       LOL
13:29 severine_q   slut tuxayo !!
13:25 tuxayo       hi severine_q o/
13:24 tuxayo       found, it was in the patron's profile
13:23 severine_q   hello #koha !
13:09 tuxayo       I can't find the syspref or the tool
13:09 tuxayo       How does one enable email notification (to message_queue is enough) when a hold available for pickup?
12:57 tuxayo       oleonard:  That and the time to use that knowledge
12:56 cait2        oleonard: that's a good description :)
12:56 oleonard     tuxayo, that's exactly why I refused to learn some things ;)
12:54 tuxayo       Fair enough, the whole knowledge of Koha can't fit in one's brain
12:53 oleonard     I think I loaded some Mana knowledge in my RAM long enough to test it and then flushed it.
12:52 cait2        sorry, my mana knowledge is minimal :(
12:49 oleonard     January 2019 oleonard doesn't exist anymore.
12:48 oleonard     cait2 do you know what I might have been talking about ^
12:45 oleonard     I said, "When I select an existing Mana comment on a subscription ..." What does that mean?
12:45 huginn       Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22248 normal, P5 - low, ---, alex.arnaud, Needs Signoff , Error when incrementing Mana comment
12:45 oleonard     magnuse asked if I could still reproduce the problem described in Bug 22248 but I don't have any recollection of how I did it in the first place
12:28 * cait2      wishes she was really many caits
11:15 oleonard     hi #koha o/
11:14 tuxayo       hi #koha o/
08:33 magnuse      cait2: the more the merrier!
08:29 cait2        good morning all
08:29 cait2        hm these caits
07:56 wahanui      niihau, alex_a
07:56 alex_a       Bonjour
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