Time Nick Message 00:52 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_U2010 build #1: UNSTABLE in 45 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U2010/1/ 07:56 alex_a Bonjour 07:56 wahanui niihau, alex_a 08:29 cait2 hm these caits 08:29 cait2 good morning all 08:33 magnuse cait2: the more the merrier! 11:14 tuxayo hi #koha o/ 11:15 oleonard hi #koha o/ 12:28 * cait2 wishes she was really many caits 12:45 oleonard magnuse asked if I could still reproduce the problem described in Bug 22248 but I don't have any recollection of how I did it in the first place 12:45 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22248 normal, P5 - low, ---, alex.arnaud, Needs Signoff , Error when incrementing Mana comment 12:45 oleonard I said, "When I select an existing Mana comment on a subscription ..." What does that mean? 12:48 oleonard cait2 do you know what I might have been talking about ^ 12:49 oleonard January 2019 oleonard doesn't exist anymore. 12:52 cait2 sorry, my mana knowledge is minimal :( 12:53 oleonard I think I loaded some Mana knowledge in my RAM long enough to test it and then flushed it. 12:54 tuxayo Fair enough, the whole knowledge of Koha can't fit in one's brain 12:56 oleonard tuxayo, that's exactly why I refused to learn some things ;) 12:56 cait2 oleonard: that's a good description :) 12:57 tuxayo oleonard: That and the time to use that knowledge 13:09 tuxayo How does one enable email notification (to message_queue is enough) when a hold available for pickup? 13:09 tuxayo I can't find the syspref or the tool 13:23 severine_q hello #koha ! 13:24 tuxayo found, it was in the patron's profile 13:25 tuxayo hi severine_q o/ 13:29 severine_q slut tuxayo !! 13:29 tuxayo LOL 13:30 tuxayo typo of month right here 13:30 tuxayo https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/slut 13:30 severine_q argh... i'm so sorry !!!! 13:31 tuxayo he he, no worries 13:31 severine_q très vilaine coquille... 13:33 tuxayo indeed ^^ 13:33 tuxayo What's up around Koha on your side? 13:33 cait2 rofl 13:33 cait2 thx for brightening up my day :) 13:36 tuxayo The exclamation marks are the icing on the cake 13:36 cait2 be careful or you'll get a new nickname :) 13:37 tuxayo ho, right :o 13:37 severine_q tuxayo you're making me feel worse each time you add a word !!!! 13:37 severine_q i'm so ashamed... 13:37 * cait2 sends cookies 13:37 cait2 ... and runs into the next online meeting :( 13:38 cait2 number 4 13:38 severine_q thanks cait2 ! 13:38 severine_q and be brave... 13:38 cait2 tcohen: around? 13:38 cait2 I'll try :) 13:38 tcohen yes 13:38 tuxayo severine_q: don't worry, blame the keyboard :) 13:38 cait2 did you have time yet to check the issue reported witht he display of the show analytics link? 13:39 tcohen I'm on it at the moment 13:39 cait2 ah thx 13:39 cait2 just worried about that one, but have lost track of it 13:40 tuxayo severine_q: congrats for bug 25700 BTW 13:40 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25700 minor, P5 - low, ---, severine.queune, Pushed to master , Recent Kohacons are missing from the timeline 13:40 tuxayo confetti! 13:40 wahanui o/`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` 13:42 tcohen cait2, Joubu marked it 20.11 13:42 tcohen so it will magically get fixed 13:42 tcohen haha 13:42 * tcohen hasn't slept well 13:42 cait2 the bug? 13:42 wahanui the bug is that perl code is not activ since its not in PER5LIB 13:43 cait2 can you give me the number tcohen? 13:43 tcohen bug 26480 13:43 cait2 because the feature is already pushed 13:43 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26480 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED , With UseControlNumber on, "Show analytics" link doesn't show on parent record 13:43 severine_q thanks tuxayo ! I'm hppy to help the community with a such important patch !! :) 13:43 cait2 yes I believe that might be a mistake or up for discussion 13:43 cait2 we will advertise the feature and if it's broken, that's bad 13:44 cait2 bug 15851 is in 13:44 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15851 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to master , Only display "Analytics: Show analytics" when records have linked analytics 13:46 tuxayo severine_q: yes! From time to time, I read the timeline to learn interesting stuff about Koha ^^ 13:46 tuxayo Important for a project with so much history. 13:50 cait2 20.11... sorry, the meetings are getting to my head. 13:50 cait2 we should fix in 20.11 13:52 tuxayo severine_q: I have a question: do you use KohaDevBox or koha testing docker? 14:12 severine_q argh... I don't like this question tuxayo, let me check with Nicolas 14:12 magnuse huh, didn't we have a thing where you could preview notices and slips by filling in borrowernumber, itemnumber etc? 14:13 severine_q yes @mgnuse, when editing the notice but not for all of them I think 14:13 severine_q big problem with 'a' today... 14:14 severine_q if I remermber well, for HOLD slip, you need to use a borrowernumber with an hold on an item 14:15 magnuse can't see it for hold 14:16 magnuse but i can see it for checkin, so you are right 14:16 magnuse severine_q++ 14:16 tcohen I need help with Zebra 14:17 ashimema we have a zebra topic expert now 14:17 ashimema fridolin 14:17 wahanui fridolin is indeed, but maybe not on Rmain 18.11 14:17 tcohen I'm not sure why searching for rcn is returning no results 14:17 ashimema you 14:19 fridolin yepppp 14:19 fridolin i try to be on both Zebra en ES 14:19 fridolin https://emojipedia.org/zebra/ 14:19 fridolin 🦓 14:19 * ashimema has let most zebra knowledge seep out of his brain at this point 14:19 cait2 tcohen: can you try record-control-number instead? 14:19 cait2 i think one is the short form of the other 14:19 fridolin tcohen: what is rcn 14:19 fridolin biblionumber ? 14:19 cait2 it should work, but maybe it gives a clue 14:20 cait2 77x$w 14:20 ashimema rcn = record control number 14:20 cait2 773$w in this case 14:20 ashimema doesn't it? 14:20 cait2 yes 14:20 fridolin Record-control-number 1=1045 14:20 fridolin rcn Record-control-number 14:20 fridolin in ccl.properites 14:20 cait2 yep 14:20 pastebot "tcohen" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "root@kohadevbox:koha(bug_26480" (21 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/26109 14:20 severine_q right @magnuse, it was HOLD_SLIP :) 14:21 fridolin tcohen: ah maybe not a "known" index 14:21 tcohen that would mean no record with that index has been added 14:21 tcohen but 14:21 cait2 can you share the record you expect? 14:22 cait2 rcn is an old index, it's already in use for many versions, so thisis odd 14:22 fridolin tcohen: i see Record-control-number:w, no : p 14:23 fridolin so you may add @attr 4=6 14:23 cait2 fridolin: so only word list but no phrase... 14:23 fridolin https://software.indexdata.com/zebra/doc/querymodel-rpn.html#querymodel-bib1-structure 14:24 fridolin tcohen: use in staff simple search : ccl=record-control-number,alwaysmatches='' 14:24 fridolin to get all records with any value$ 14:24 tcohen I see it there 14:25 tcohen but running this: 14:25 tcohen xsltproc /etc/koha/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/biblios/biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl <(sudo koha-mysql kohadev <<< \ 14:25 tcohen "select metadata from biblio_metadata where biblionumber=438 limit 1\\G" | \ 14:25 tcohen sed -n 's/metadata: //;2,$p' ) 14:25 tcohen sorry 14:25 pastebot "tcohen" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "xsltproc /etc/koha/zebradb/mar" (3 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/26110 14:25 tcohen ^^ we should have an alias for that 14:25 cait2 what is that? 14:25 wahanui that is only updated manually, every now and then 14:27 tcohen that command gives you the zebra indexes that would be generated for the biblio I specified 14:27 tcohen and I don't see Record-control-number 14:27 tcohen forget that 14:27 wahanui tcohen: I forgot that 14:28 pastebot "tcohen" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "fridolin" (52 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/26111 14:28 tcohen I typoed the biblionumber 14:28 tcohen on the query 14:29 tcohen there, there is Record-control-number 14:30 cait2 tcohen: what frido was pointing out is that you can't search rcn as phrase 14:30 cait2 have you tried with the changed attribute? 14:32 tcohen I'm not sure how to do that on CCL 14:33 cait2 how does the ccl look like now? 14:35 tcohen record-control-number:17446121 14:35 cait2 hm 14:35 tcohen oh 14:35 cait2 fridolin: ? 14:35 tcohen I always forget 14:36 tcohen to use = instead of : :-D 14:36 cait2 oh 14:36 cait2 does that help it? 14:37 tcohen at least I know zebra has the things indexed correctly 14:37 tcohen I now need to see what changed since this was written 14:37 tcohen because it was clearly working 14:38 fridolin ccl is : record-control-number,wrdl:17446121 14:38 fridolin wrdl = word list 14:38 fridolin oposit of phr = phrase 14:39 fridolin but try also : record-control-number,alwaysmatches='' 14:42 pastebot "tcohen" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "fridolin: it works in Zebra. The problem is Koha" (9 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/26113 14:44 fridolin tcohen: ahhh yep koha replaces : with = ;) 14:44 tcohen but why doesn't it return results :-D 14:45 tcohen "rcn:17446121 AND (bib-level:a OR bib-level:b)" 14:45 tcohen undef 14:45 tcohen \ [] 14:46 tcohen https://gitlab.com/koha-community/Koha/-/blob/master/catalogue/detail.pl#L157 14:46 fridolin rcn is well in C4::Search::getIndexes 14:46 fridolin tcohen: opac of staff ? 14:46 fridolin try ccl=record-control-number,alwaysmatches='' 14:47 tcohen That's the output from warning the output of search 14:47 tcohen I tried that, and it returns the record (amongst others) 14:47 tcohen running the same query in Zebra gives results 14:47 tcohen this is staff 14:48 fridolin crap 14:54 tcohen something changed recently? 14:54 tcohen still cannot find it 14:54 tcohen this is bug 26480 FYI 14:54 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26480 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED , With UseControlNumber on, "Show analytics" link doesn't show on parent record 14:54 tcohen any help is welcome 15:03 tcohen this is sad 15:03 tcohen it is now working WTF 15:09 tcohen there's some caching thing here 15:43 cait2 tcohen: i DID have some trouble testing... but then it started to work and i was happy 15:44 cait2 i blamed myself 15:45 tcohen truth is: if you run the oneliner I pasted, you will notice our xslt produces the Record-control-number index for the record: GOOD 15:45 tcohen if you query Zebra for that Record-control-number, it doesn't find any results: BAD 15:46 tcohen we could blame the indexer daemon, lets stop it just in case, full reindex, restart zebra 15:46 tcohen do the query on Zebra again: no results: BAD 15:46 tcohen that erratic behaviour is really odd 15:46 tcohen it eventually showed up 15:47 tcohen but the problem is not the feature per-se, it is the indexing 15:47 tcohen if we showed the 'Show analytics' link all the time, it wouldn't show results either 15:48 tcohen I mean, I'm searching directly in zebra 15:53 caroline Joubu: I relayed the message to Maryse 15:54 caroline sorry I wasn't there yesterday to do it... I took a much needed mental health day 16:05 ashimema how goes it today caroline :) 16:05 ashimema thanks for merging my cash management manual stuff :) 16:07 caroline bit better... but it's not something that will go away in one day :) 16:08 caroline There is one merge request left, but it would rebase automatically 16:08 caroline today it's ok so I'll merge it 16:08 ashimema I can take a look 16:09 caroline I don't know why it does this when people make several merge requests 16:09 caroline and sometimes it resolves itself and sometimes not 16:09 caroline I'm not learned enough in git to understand why/what happens 16:10 ashimema git works in mysterious ways 16:10 caroline lol! 16:11 ashimema sorry for all the BZ spam btw people.. I'm cleaning up the old 'release-notes-needed' tags so we can see the wood for the trees 16:13 tuxayo thanks ashimema 16:13 caroline cleaning up is good 16:15 ashimema there's loads of bugs with 'Manual' still on them.. we should probably go through and clean those out at some point too 16:15 ashimema but that's still partly to do with me not fully understanding your processes yet docs team :) 16:21 ashimema 49 bugs.. that's a more manageable list now: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=runnamed&list_id=351733&namedcmd=Needs%20release%20notes 16:23 * ashimema has been contemplating the release notes again.. 16:24 ashimema perhaps splitting them in two might help make them a bit more digestable.. a set of 'Technical notes' and a more 'End user notes' set perhaps 16:24 ashimema and using a 'technical' keyword in BZ to split them...? 16:25 caroline do we need to add release notes for technical stuff? 16:25 caroline I'm not sure who those notes are targeting 16:26 ashimema cait still around? 16:27 ashimema cait cait1 cait2 cait2 16:28 caroline lol! 16:28 caroline calling all caits around 16:30 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 24083: (QA follow-up) Fix DB upgrade <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0423d09e57f6a64656dc0f82a10c82962960e049> 16:30 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 26948: Regression tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=64ee6f0b2bbcc9b23520c689146f1c5cf905e997> 16:30 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 22818: (QA follow-up) Respond to feedback <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1dadf8823357573b740b0c259f16cf18ab4e8904> 16:30 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 24083: (QA follow-up) Fix failing tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=552ea4e9d27a1d075e009e13bde63b2c91962644> 16:30 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 26990: (bug 22284 follow-up) Prevent hold to be placed if cannot be transferred <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fbd0bbf98f574a7eb804673978a198eea6fdd798> 16:30 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 26948: Remove double encoding from sent emails <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4415fdb0f4785dff24c9773f85a9b32885c385ac> 16:32 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D11 build #140: FAILURE in 1 min 14 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11/140/ 16:33 ashimema wizzyrea around?> 16:34 ashimema @seen wizzyrea 16:34 huginn ashimema: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 2 weeks, 2 days, 19 hours, 49 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> curses 17:14 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 17:14 wahanui Congratulations! 17:14 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U16 build #127: FIXED in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U16/127/ 17:20 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 17:20 wahanui Congratulations! 17:20 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U2010 build #48: FIXED in 49 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U2010/48/ 17:24 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 17:24 wahanui Congratulations! 17:24 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest build #440: FIXED in 51 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest/440/ 17:26 cait2 ashimema: sorry, didn't see you, will be bac in a bit from the other computer 17:26 ashimema no worries 17:26 ashimema I got it sorted.. 17:26 ashimema well.. I think I did 17:26 ashimema just waiting for website cache 17:35 tcohen @later tell cait I'm getting closer 17:35 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 17:37 ashimema Next meeting? 17:37 wahanui well, Next meeting is https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Next_IRC_meetings 17:37 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 17:37 wahanui Congratulations! 17:37 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9_My8 build #463: FIXED in 1 hr 5 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_My8/463/ 17:37 ashimema meeting 17:47 tuxayo Does anyone know SIP? It's about finding where the `patron status` field is. I'm looking for the `too many items overdue` field 17:47 tuxayo https://copycat.drycat.fr/?411a1ec84cf71e6c#Dw8UrakXct393csMYLiU29AEtXgh7bbcNCK9bziQU4gD 17:50 tuxayo oops, patron_information != patron_status_request 17:50 tuxayo 24 00120201112 175002AEEdna Acosta|AA23529001000463|BLY|CQN|AFGreetings from Koha. |AOCPL| 17:59 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U20 build #142: STILL UNSTABLE in 45 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U20/142/ 18:00 caroline meeting time? 18:00 ashimema so my calendar tells me 18:00 thd Some of clocks are in synch. 18:01 lucyvh My calendar also 18:01 caroline startmeeting Documentation IRC meeting 12 November 2020 18:01 caroline #startmeeting Documentation IRC meeting 12 November 2020 18:01 huginn Meeting started Thu Nov 12 18:01:22 2020 UTC. The chair is caroline. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:01 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 18:01 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'documentation_irc_meeting_12_november_2020' 18:01 caroline oh boy, it's going to be a long one, lol! 18:01 tcohen cait I think I found it 18:01 tcohen oops 18:01 caroline #link agenda Documentation IRC meeting 12 November 2020 18:01 ashimema #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Euope 18:01 caroline #link agenda https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Documentation_IRC_meeting_12_November_2020 18:02 caroline #topic Introductions 18:02 caroline please use "#info" in front of your introduction to have it show up in the automatic minutes 18:02 caroline #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inLibro 18:02 lucyvh #info Lucy Vaux-Harvey, PTFS-Europe 18:02 ashimema #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe 18:03 caroline [off] my head's not on straight today, I apologize in advance 18:04 thd #info, Thomas Dukleth, New York City [A little pre-occupied with sometime employer in hospital] 18:04 caroline #topic Review of action points 18:04 caroline First action point was caroline will write out the current workflow 18:05 caroline Which has been done, and is available here caroline will write out the current workflow 18:05 caroline omg... -_- 18:05 caroline caroline will write out the current workflow 18:05 caroline link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Editing_the_Koha_Manual#How_do_Bugzilla.2C_Taiga_and_Gitlab_work_together.3F 18:05 caroline omg... sorry! 18:05 ashimema caroline++ 18:05 caroline #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Editing_the_Koha_Manual#How_do_Bugzilla.2C_Taiga_and_Gitlab_work_together.3F 18:06 caroline this was in response to a question by henryb about the workflow and how all the tools work together 18:06 caroline as we discussed last time, it's not the most optimal workflow, but it's the one we have right now 18:06 lucyvh Looks great, will be really useful 18:07 caroline all the other action points were to try to optimize this 18:07 caroline davidnind will check how we can use gitlab to simplify the workflow 18:07 caroline david says he's still working on this 18:07 caroline #action davidnind will check how we can use gitlab to simplify the workflow 18:08 caroline then I was supposed to check with ashimema on how to work ourselves in the dev workflow on bugzilla 18:08 caroline which I haven't done despite the reminder by ashimema lol! 18:08 ashimema so you guys don't use the 'Manual' keyword at all? 18:08 caroline I've never used it 18:09 caroline but maybe we should? 18:09 caroline I though that was your policy of having devs write better docs 18:10 caroline I'll actionize it again so I don't forget 18:10 ashimema well.. once upon a time I think it was used to make a bug that needed a manual entry writing still 18:10 caroline #action caroline will check with ashimema on how to best insert the docs writing into the dev workflow 18:11 ashimema whereas the 'Documenatation' component was more about 'bugs with the documentation' 18:12 ashimema but yeah.. we should work out a workflow for including both parties... making sure there's a smooth transition from 'dev has finished writing the code' to 'someone makes sure theres a corresponding manual update submitted' 18:12 caroline what is Manual - ByWater and Manual - PTFS-E on the main page? 18:13 ashimema those are searches I introduced to try and encourage ptfs-e and bywater to write manual entries for the bugs they wrote.. 18:13 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 18:13 wahanui Congratulations! 18:13 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1494: FIXED in 52 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/1494/ 18:13 caroline are tey based on the Manual keyword? 18:13 ashimema it filters on who wrote the bug (*@bywater.com or *@ptfs-europe.com) and having the keyword 'Manual'.. 18:13 ashimema then the idea as once they'd submitted a manual merge request they could remove the keyword 18:14 ashimema yup 18:14 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 18:14 wahanui Congratulations! 18:14 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #944: FIXED in 49 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/944/ 18:15 caroline When is the best time to add this keyword? like should we have a list of things to go through? 18:15 ashimema much like the 'release-notes-needed' Keyword is being used at the minute... if it's an enhancement or new feature at push time, the RM adds 'release-notes-needed' and then when we come to work on the release notes we work through all those with that keyword and as we add the release notes text we remove the keyword 18:15 ashimema well.. I'm not attached to doing it that way. 18:15 ashimema it just 'a way' 18:15 caroline yeah but it seems a good way 18:16 caroline then we could add the manual keyword to the Documentation to-do search 18:16 ashimema :) 18:17 caroline We just need to determine when it's best that the docs manager go through and add the keyword 18:17 caroline I guess I could do it from the release notes as I do it now 18:17 ashimema the challenge at the moment is that there's loads of bugs marked with the keyword and I'm not sure which ones have already been dealt with 18:17 ashimema well.. the RM could add the keyword upon pushing the feature 18:18 ashimema kinda depends when we want the docs to be written 18:18 caroline but not necessarily every bug needs to go in the manual 18:18 ashimema I've tried writing them before QA before.. but then QA often results in changes.. 18:18 caroline like back-end stuff, we don't add to the manual 18:18 ashimema agreed 18:18 ashimema so it needs a little interaction as to when something needs a manual update 18:19 ashimema perhaps that could be part of QA? 18:19 caroline I don't want to add to your load 18:19 ashimema who makes the call to say "I think this will need an update in the manual" 18:19 caroline When I go through the release notes to add them to Taiga, I do a first screening 18:20 caroline and then the writers do a more thorough one when they come upon this particular task 18:20 lucyvh I think perhaps we only need devs to do this for the bigger features? 18:21 lucyvh But not sure how to define that? 18:21 caroline We can ask for help when it's too big 18:21 caroline ashimema wrote a bunch for the cash management part since he worked so much on it 18:22 lucyvh Yes, that sort of development definitely 18:22 ashimema so when do you tend to go through the release notes caroline? 18:22 ashimema to build your list.. at or just after release? 18:23 caroline I do it periodically with the commits on gitlab 18:23 caroline it helps me see only the new stuff that's been pushed 18:24 ashimema reason I like the idea of adding the keyword at PQA time is that the QA person aught to have a good idea as to whether things have changed enough to warrant a manual entry and it also builds the queue of things to do before the release.. so we might stand a chance of having a manual to release with the release 18:24 ashimema hope that makes sense 18:24 ashimema manuals tend to be a few month behind.. at lest 18:24 caroline yeah that's why I was using the release notes commits to see the pushes as they were pushed 18:25 caroline (Joubu's suggestion, I need to give credit :) ) 18:25 ashimema coolios 18:25 ashimema that's a reasonable approach 18:26 ashimema and means the manual keyword is a bit redundant 18:26 caroline So I could do the same and instead of adding a Taiga entry, I would just add the manual keyword 18:26 ashimema taiga would in effect contain the same list 18:26 ashimema whatever you're most comfortable with 18:26 ashimema just so long as we're all on the same page :) 18:26 caroline well, I think the purpose was to mlimit the number of tools we use 18:27 caroline We can try it like this for the 21.05 release and see if it works better 18:27 ashimema it's very lightwieght to use bugzilla.. especailly as the release note drafts contain links to bugzilla.. you can quickly click through, add the keyword, then close the tab 18:27 ashimema that's how I did it as release manager 18:28 caroline ok so first we have to clean up the manual keyword 18:28 caroline #action caroline will clean up the manual keywords in bugzilla 18:29 ashimema I can probably get cait/rangi to do that (that way they can do a mass clean and disable email so we don't spam the life out of people) 18:29 caroline good idea! 18:29 caroline #action ashimema will ask cait or rangi to clean up the manual keyword 18:29 cait oh no, i am missing the meeting, again 18:30 ashimema were you going to draw a fresh line.. i.e. just remove the keyword as it stands from everything and start fresh for 21.05... I think that's probably the easyest thing to do 18:30 ashimema haha. 18:30 ashimema naughty cait ;) 18:30 caroline #agreed for the 21.05 release we will try using the "manual" keyword instead of Taiga to build up the task list 18:30 cait are here that many actually? 18:30 ashimema \i'm just volunteering you for things 18:30 cait I see 18:30 ashimema 128 bugs with manual keyword right now cait 18:31 cait but it's probably not going ot happen before next week 18:31 cait oh i thought it was only me using it :) 18:31 caroline no worries, it's for next release 18:31 cait i could also try and fix them all... hm 18:31 ashimema we're talking about making it a more official workflow cait :) 18:32 ashimema making us all a bit more joined up 18:32 cait sounds good - i meant writing manual patches for the ones i set myself would also be a way to get rid of them :) 18:32 caroline info new workflow will be to go through release notes and add the Manual keyword where a manual update is needed 18:32 caroline # info new workflow will be to go through release notes and add the Manual keyword where a manual update is neede 18:32 caroline #info new workflow will be to go through release notes and add the Manual keyword where a manual update is neede 18:32 * cait sends cookies 18:32 caroline thanks! I need some 18:33 ashimema what I'd really like to see if submitters taking a bit more responsability for documenting their submissions... doesn't mean the dev has to write the docs (often us devs are terrible at writing docs people can understand)... but they can and should pester their companies to help them write docs 18:33 ashimema :) 18:33 ashimema cookies ! 18:33 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 18:33 wahanui Congratulations! 18:33 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D10 build #405: FIXED in 56 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10/405/ 18:33 caroline Can there be more than one assignee per bug? 18:34 ashimema afraid not.. though we could add a custom field to bugzilla easily enough 18:34 caroline I could try to assign bugs to docs writers from compagnies of the dev 18:34 ashimema for 'docs assignee' perhaps 18:34 caroline but I think that would be a bit unfair 18:34 caroline like kelly and lucyvh would end up with everything 18:35 cait we could propose it 18:35 cait i still think it might be nice to see if someone has already taken it on 18:36 cait but a comment could work too until it gets a lot 18:36 ashimema I can very easily add the custom field.. just checking if I can make it like assignee allowing you to pick a bugzilla user 18:36 caroline I think we should use the comments until we are happy with the workflow 18:36 caroline change one thing at a time 18:36 wahanui caroline: that doesn't look right 18:37 cait who is supposed to set the new manual keyword after the clean-up? 18:37 cait can i still use it in qa when i notice something will need docs? 18:37 caroline I would 18:37 caroline but yeah please do 18:37 caroline It would be the same basic thing I'm doing right now, go through release notes and add where I fell documentation is needed 18:38 caroline ashimema proposed to do it during qa, but I don't want to transfer this load to you necessarily 18:39 caroline I want to summarize what we agree on 18:39 caroline If someone has an objection, please voice it 18:39 caroline #agreed the manual keyword will replace taiga for the 21.05 release as a test for this workflow 18:40 caroline #agreed docs manager will go through release notes and add Manual keyword where it is needed 18:40 ashimema caroline++ #being generally awesome 18:41 caroline #action change the Documentation to-do search on bz main page to include Documentation component OR manual keyword 18:41 * caroline blushes 18:41 cait there might be bugs (not enh) that warrant changes in the docs - so good to keep an eye out for those maybe 18:41 cait i qa 18:42 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 18:42 wahanui Congratulations! 18:42 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D10_Deps build #134: FIXED in 42 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10_Deps/134/ 18:42 caroline #info anyone can add Manual keyword if they feel it is needed 18:43 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D10_Deps build #135: FAILURE in 1 min 7 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10_Deps/135/ 18:43 caroline #action caroline will document workflow for 21.05 18:43 caroline anything to add on the topic of workflow optimization? 18:44 caroline ok moving on... 18:44 caroline #topic Project updates 18:45 caroline anyone has project updates? 18:45 caroline thd wiki? 18:45 thd Yes. 18:47 thd I am arranging to have a special period of doing a job from a friends home in Washington, DC caring for his father for a couple of weeks which should give me some better concentrated isolation of sorts for the wiki. 18:47 talljoy good day! 18:48 thd That is likely to be the first two weeks in January. 18:48 caroline cool! 18:49 caroline I don't think there are any other updates on projects 18:49 thd I will not have my mother stopping me from doing things for Koha, because I am not doing any real travelling. 18:49 caroline #topic What's been done so far 18:50 caroline We've had a couple merge requests, so that's good 18:50 caroline means the manual is being worked on 18:50 caroline I know I did a bit because it releives stress for me to work on this lol! 18:51 lucyvh I've managed just a couple - I'm struggling to update systempreferences.rst at the mo! 18:51 caroline how are you struggling? 18:51 lucyvh I think the file might be getting too big? 18:51 caroline oh! 18:51 caroline maybe we shoudl divide it up? 18:51 lucyvh It freezes in my browser so can't make updates? 18:52 lucyvh My just be me :) 18:52 caroline ok I'll try to divide it more 18:52 caroline by module 18:52 caroline I wanted to make smaller chapters anyway 18:53 caroline #action caroline (or anyone) to divide the syspref file as it is getting too big for updates through gitlab GUI 18:53 lucyvh It gives you more work - sorry caroline! 18:53 lucyvh As I say, may just be for me? 18:53 caroline no worries, like I said it helps me relieve stress :) 18:54 lucyvh :) 18:54 caroline I procrastinate by being production on the manual 18:54 ashimema some chapters are indeed pretty big 18:54 cait it is our biggest, removing hte Administration bits was a first step, but it might not be enough for editing in the browser 18:54 cait string wise... prefs are massive 18:54 cait you can see it on translate 18:54 ashimema haha.. I know that feeling caroline... 18:54 ashimema I have a very large 'procrastination list' 18:54 cait sometimes it's good because it gets other stuff done... 18:54 ashimema indeed 18:55 caroline it's something I feel I'm good at so it helps in moments where work is hard 18:56 lucyvh I just need work to quieten down so I can do more manual stuff 18:57 caroline #topic Content development guidelines 18:57 caroline I had two things I wanted to discuss here, but it's getting late 18:58 caroline After Julius' talk at Koha con on accessibility, I looked up how to add alt text to images in the manual 18:58 caroline #linkhttps://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/ReStructuredText_-_Tips_and_Tricks#Images 18:58 caroline #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/ReStructuredText_-_Tips_and_Tricks#Images 18:58 caroline I put it here 18:58 caroline so when you add images, please add some descriptive text with it to help people with accessibility issues 18:59 ashimema cool caroline 18:59 ashimema I noticed there was a start on that :) 18:59 caroline #info when adding images, remember to add alt text for increased accessibility 18:59 lucyvh Will do 18:59 caroline I'll leavet he other points for next meeting 18:59 caroline #topic Next steps 19:00 caroline priority is to Work on new features and enhancements for 20.11 19:00 caroline #topic Set time of next meeting 19:00 thd Obviously, with or without alt the text of the manual should make things clear. 19:01 caroline 4 weeks from now is dec 10 19:01 caroline is that good? 19:01 thd Trying again: Obviously, with or without alt text for images, the text of the manual should make things clear. 19:01 caroline thd indeed 19:02 lucyvh Dec 10 good for me 19:02 caroline but if someone with a screen reader is read "image1455" it's not clear if the image adds to the text or not 19:02 caroline I for one would be curious what "image1455" is... 19:03 caroline Usually images in the manual just show what that part of Koha looks like, images don't necessarily add to the text, but blind people can't know that 19:03 caroline so just wirting "add new item type form" at least tells them they aren't missing out on anything important 19:03 caroline (I think( 19:04 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #945: SUCCESS in 49 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/945/ 19:04 thd 10 Dec++ 19:04 ashimema yup 19:04 caroline #info Next meeting: 10 December 2020, 18 UTC 19:04 caroline #endmeeting 19:04 huginn Meeting ended Thu Nov 12 19:04:57 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 19:04 huginn Minutes: https://meetings.koha-community.org/2020/documentation_irc_meeting_12_november_2020.2020-11-12-18.01.html 19:04 huginn Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-community.org/2020/documentation_irc_meeting_12_november_2020.2020-11-12-18.01.txt 19:04 huginn Log: https://meetings.koha-community.org/2020/documentation_irc_meeting_12_november_2020.2020-11-12-18.01.log.html 19:05 caroline thanks everyone for your imputs! 19:05 caroline and I apologize again for my shaky chairing, today is just weird 19:05 lucyvh thanks Caroline, bye all 19:05 * caroline goes to pet her cat 19:05 ashimema caroline++ 19:05 ashimema you did great 19:06 caroline thanks ashimema! 20:01 henryb Sorry I missed the meeting! It looks like it was a really productive one. 20:02 henryb caroline++ 20:17 magnuse \o/ 21:36 magnuse kia ora cait 21:46 cait hello 21:58 magnuse wie gehts cait 22:10 cait too busy as always, and you? 22:10 cait magnuse? 22:10 wahanui well, magnuse is really waiting for the self check vendor to tell me if they can send 99 less often 22:14 magnuse doing a long overdue upgrade from 19.05 to 19.11 22:15 magnuse wahanui: forget magnuse 22:15 wahanui magnuse: I forgot magnuse 22:16 cait hope it goes well :) 22:16 cait don't stay up too late! 22:16 cait good night all! 22:16 magnuse good night cait 23:16 * dcook waves