Time  Nick           Message
19:20 cait           ok :)
19:20 oleonard       cait: About a dozen pages I think
18:50 cait           hi caroline and hi oleonard too (belatedly)
18:50 cait           oleonard: how many more checkboxes do we have to fix?
18:25 oleonard       Hi caroline
18:21 caroline       good morning/afternoon/evening all!
18:06 koha-jenkins   Project Koha_19.05_D9_MDB10.3 build #73: STILL FAILING in 6 min 52 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_D9_MDB10.3/73/
18:03 koha-jenkins   Project Koha_19.05_D9 build #309: STILL FAILING in 4.7 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_D9/309/
18:03 koha-jenkins   Project Koha_19.05_U18 build #307: STILL FAILING in 3 min 57 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_U18/307/
17:47 severine_q     good bye #koha !
17:11 severine_q     thanks cait for the tip !
17:04 tuxayo         cait++
17:02 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26722 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , [Omnibus] Don't use "here" and similar as a link text
17:02 cait           bug 26722
17:01 cait           better accessibility by nt making links read "here" :)
17:00 cait           i filed some for changing link texts
17:00 cait           you might want to look at some of the bugs in NEW with keyword Academy
17:00 cait           of course :)
16:51 severine_q     if you find some, please send me so I can practice !
16:51 severine_q     i'd be happy to help for these kinds of minor fixes
16:50 severine_q     oh i believe you :)
16:49 cait           be warned, it can get addictive :)
16:49 severine_q     cait : well, it's the second actually, but this one was all by myself without nicolas by my side so i'm quite proud :)
16:48 cait           congrats!
16:48 cait           severine_q: updated bug to make you assignee :)
16:47 tuxayo         severine_q: thanks for maintaining that, and searching the websites!
16:47 cait           that#s about time!
16:47 cait           severine_q: your first?
16:46 huginn         cait: The operation succeeded.
16:46 cait           @later tell khall bug 11299 it was
16:46 cait           missed khall
16:45 tuxayo         severine_q++
16:45 severine_q     thanks tuxayo !!
16:45 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25700 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Recent Kohacons are missing from the timeline
16:45 severine_q     and tadaa bug 25700 !!
16:28 ashimema       🦸
16:27 tuxayo         >_<
16:27 tuxayo         terrible typo
16:27 tuxayo         *can
16:26 severine_q     can't ?! oh...
16:25 tuxayo         severine_q, we can't try
16:25 severine_q     salut tuxayo !!
16:25 tuxayo         severine_q hi o/
16:24 severine_q     :)
16:24 severine_q     anyone interested ?
16:24 severine_q     need some help to commit my first patch by myself...
16:23 tuxayo         ouch the tests
16:22 koha-jenkins   Project Koha_19.05_U18 build #306: FAILURE in 8 min 38 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_U18/306/
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16:17 cait           hi khall :)
16:13 koha-jenkins   Project Koha_19.05_D8 build #267: FAILURE in 9 min 20 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_D8/267/
16:11 koha-jenkins   Project Koha_19.05_D9_MDB10.3 build #72: FAILURE in 7 min 35 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_D9_MDB10.3/72/
15:50 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12446 new feature, P5 - low, ---, maryse.simard, Signed Off , Enable an adult to have a guarantor
15:50 cait           bug 12446
15:49 cait           khall_: do you have time to check the adult guarantors again?
15:34 ashimema       :)
15:34 cait           hm professional development
15:33 cait           personal development
15:33 ashimema       sell it as a protection on their investment ;)
15:33 ashimema       excellent :)
15:33 ashimema       I should do that soon.. I bet I have hundreds in scary states
15:33 henryb         ashimema: yeah I'd love to do it, just trying to get internal support/permission at the moment
15:25 cait           it's a good thing to do, but must be a little scary
15:24 oleonard       This is what comes from me looking at the list of bugs assigned to me
15:11 ashimema       :)
15:11 ashimema       yikes
15:10 oleonard       Failed QA since 2019-04-26
15:10 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12533 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Improve authority search result display
15:10 oleonard       Bug 12533
15:10 cait           huh?
15:09 * oleonard     tests to see if there is an expiration date for signoffs
14:58 cait           but in general it's really nice to have you around :)
14:58 ashimema       totally
14:57 cait           if that feels a little easier
14:57 cait           could be a topic expert role too
14:54 ashimema       it would be awesome to have you
14:54 ashimema       I was talking about accessibility and how it's an ongoing challenge with Phil (Commons) earlier :)
14:54 ashimema       did you have a think about an accessibility focused role for community henryb ?
14:25 henryb         I also have no idea what it means
14:25 henryb         Fair enough! I think that's very sensible
14:24 cait           henryb: sometimes I have to admit to give up - was not in th emood to dig deep on that one
14:23 cait           because it actualyl makes no sense
14:23 cait           i used the old translations... i think it probably never shows up
14:22 cait           no
14:22 henryb         cait: have you worked out what it means?
14:17 ashimema       that's brillaint henryb
14:17 ashimema       hehehe
13:41 cait           heh
13:41 * cait         has no idea what this means: New budget-parent is beneath budget
13:38 henryb         This random quip on bugzilla really made me chuckle "How many QA testers does it take to change a lightbulb? --> QA testers don't change anything. They just report that it's dark." Well done, whoever said it!
13:34 cait           always happy to help with any translation questions
13:30 cait           we still spot typos and such that when you start fixing htem turn out ot have been there for like 10 versions :)
13:30 cait           you will also never be done with refining
13:29 kohaputti      (since there is bunch of untranslated stuff in finnish)
13:29 cait           and it's boring
13:29 kohaputti      with the two weeks that is between freeze and release it would require a massive amount of people working at the same time doing translations
13:28 kohaputti      good to know :)
13:28 cait           and then updates again on string freeze
13:28 cait           he ususally does for getting people started if they want
13:28 cait           i think he might make the files available a bit earlier
13:26 kohaputti      just one month so waiting is okay :)
13:26 cait           but if you don't want to use 20.05 waiting should be fine
13:26 cait           you could do that, or start with files that are not likely to change much
13:25 kohaputti      still probably best to wait for 20.11 string freeze to not have to do the translations for removed or changed strings.
13:24 cait           the 20.11 files will be built from the 20.05 files
13:23 kohaputti      thanks for the info :)
13:23 cait           i am still struggling with the relator terms in the installer files...
13:22 cait           we only have to translate new and changed (they turn fuzzy for rechecking) thankfully
13:22 cait           ALSO as 20.11 files do not exist yet - you got on problem at all. the same strings will be moved
13:21 cait           AND if you have a lot of difference in already translated Bernardo has some magic scripts to update one transltion file from the other
13:21 kohaputti      ok, so then I think best to wait for 20.11 string freeze to not have to do double work
13:21 cait           in that case it shows in light grey in the box and you can just submit after a quick check
13:21 cait           when you translate 20.05 and the exact same string is in 20.11 Pootle will suggest it
13:21 kohaputti      no answer yet
13:20 cait           kohaputti: i just see your translation question in the logs -did you get an answer already?
13:15 cait           lol
13:14 oleonard       The real mystery about vampires is where do they get their wardrobe budget
13:11 cait           yah *sigh*
13:10 * oleonard     now REALLY wants a cape with black on black stitched Koha logo!!
13:09 cait           glad to have your guidance... and I guess we now finally solved the mystery of non-aging oleonard :)
13:09 cait           I am a new vampire... still learning
13:08 ashimema       :)
13:07 oleonard       Now we're talking
13:06 cait           ok... black on black stitched koha logo on the cape?
13:06 cait           lol
13:05 * oleonard     confiscates cait's pencils
13:05 cait           oleonard: i see... same goes for wooden things that have too sharp edges i guess
13:02 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22018 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, NEW , Add an option to 'AllowEarlyRenewal' to enable users to renew before the autorenew date
13:02 * magnuse      sends ashimema some tuits for bug 22018
12:59 oleonard       The safety of vampires around silver is somewhat in dispute I believe... Would hate to have that go wrong...
12:58 cait           oleonard: maybe a silver amulet with the K! ?
12:56 TimothyAlexis  fridolin++
12:56 cait           yep
12:56 oleonard       The superlibrarian cape is not goth enough for a vampire
12:56 tuxayo         The superlibrarian cape?
12:55 cait           with koha isignia on the back?
12:55 nlegrand       :D
12:55 cait           now that would be a reason to get permanently turned
12:54 cait           oleonard: cape!
12:52 * oleonard     buys a black velvet cape for cait for Christmas
12:51 cait           no i just need to figure out how to turn back from vampire to human
12:51 cait           was fun watching
12:51 cait           yes - very happy how it turned out with COVID and all
12:49 kohaputti      Very great talks in KohaCon this year, thanks to all the speakers and organizers :)
12:49 cait           hi nlegrand :)
12:48 nlegrand       bonjour cait!
12:48 nlegrand       the worse part, is me trying to fix qa-tools code before thinking maybe it's already been fixed ^^. I feel a bit... Well...
12:48 wahanui        salut, cait
12:48 cait           hello
12:41 ashimema       khall++
12:41 ashimema       sorry nlegrand
12:41 ashimema       oh noes..
12:40 oleonard       :(
12:40 nlegrand       I fixed my problem by rebasing qa-tools to an up to date version. After one hour fiddling with old qa-tools code...
12:36 khall          sandboxes appear to be working again!
12:27 fridolin       you may use framework default value for this subfield
12:26 fridolin       TimothyAlexis: sure, a newly created item should have "is new" defined (1 for example)
12:19 TimothyAlexis  and I'm wondering if it should. :)
12:14 TimothyAlexis  I'm thinking, when adding items using cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/additem.pl?biblionumber=<some numbe>, the new_status should be set.
12:13 TimothyAlexis  :)
12:13 TimothyAlexis  Fine, thank you for asking.
12:13 fridolin       how are u today ?
12:13 fridolin       TimothyAlexis: yep
12:12 TimothyAlexis  fridolin here?
11:56 nlegrand       ho, no it wasn't...
11:52 kidclamp       passing that to khall_
11:52 nlegrand       ashimema: ho! It may be a tab problem!!! (I edited it with an editor not well configured)
11:51 ashimema       then re-run the sandbox setup script
11:51 ashimema       kidclamp.. maybe try the hard core 'docker system prune -af' to fully cleanup all images etc.. we had loads of stuff hanging around this morning on our when I checked..
11:48 ashimema       I must admit.. I'm not yet close enough to fully interpret that error
11:48 ashimema       jajm around ?
11:48 ashimema       that feels odd nlegrand
11:48 ashimema       hmm
11:47 ashimema       the only difference I know of locally is that we have a 2 minute wait during provisioning instead of 1 minute.. I think I added the extra minute because our server was very slow to get the container going on occasions and it fails spectacularly if the container isn't there when the next command runs.
11:46 nlegrand       Is it some kind of false positive or did I miss something?
11:46 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24412 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nicolas.legrand, Failed QA , Attach waiting hold to desk
11:45 nlegrand       also I mimicked it for Bug 24412 as now it's a qa-tool error for me also :)
11:45 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25321 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to stable , Move translatable strings out of strings.inc into the corresponding JavaScript
11:45 nlegrand       it puzzles me, because it comes straight from Bug 25321 and I don't see what's wrong regarding the guidlines
11:45 * ashimema     runs up a bywater sandbox to to inspect the provision logs
11:44 nlegrand       in hold.js, the line  data += " " + __("at %s").format(oObj.waiting_at); gives me a Untranslatable string found (at %s) - See coding guideline JS5
11:44 ashimema       interesting
11:43 kidclamp       ours still seem to be broken ashimema
11:31 ashimema       struggling to replicate any issues that were reported last night
11:31 ashimema       were people still having issues this morning with sandboxes
11:26 kohaputti      uploaded for 20.11.
11:26 kohaputti      The state of Finnish translations is not that great currently in Koha 20.05, I'm thinking of asking lots people to help us get it in better condition but I don't know if we should start our efforts after the 20.11 string freeze (11th november) or whether it would be useful to start it already know. My question here is whether most of the 20.05 translated strings will be lost after the new string freeze and translations files are
10:35 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22018 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, NEW , Add an option to 'AllowEarlyRenewal' to enable users to renew before the autorenew date
10:35 ashimema       bug 22018 magnuse.. seems I was keen to add such functionality too.. but didn't find the moment to actually do it :(
10:30 ashimema       2006 one in paris?
10:30 ashimema       when was the first kohacon?
10:29 oleonard       o/
10:26 ashimema       very cool
10:26 eythian        https://archive.org/details/marygrove "In October 2020, the collection of Detroit-based Marygrove College Library, comprising more than 70,000 books and journals, starts a new life online with the support of the Internet Archive." A short doco on the digitisation of a closing library.
10:25 ashimema       I lvoe that we celebrate every new developer and ever release.. but you can end up not seeing the wood for the trees
10:25 ashimema       I feel the timeline has gotten a little out of hand.. it would be great to add filtering to it at some point.. or give it a more interactive visual display :)
10:24 ashimema       It'll be great to have them on here
10:24 ashimema       :D
10:17 severine_q     #crossfingers
10:17 severine_q     great ! I'll try something and hope it'll be fine :)
10:16 ashimema       that would be perfect :)
10:16 severine_q     am I right ?
10:16 severine_q     so i'm supposed to modify the .txt file, adding new lines for each missing KohaCon and adding this epoch date
10:16 ashimema       interesting.. there's loads of Kohacon's missing from the timeline
10:15 severine_q     ok
10:15 ashimema       for the commit authors and things we grab it from the git logs
10:14 ashimema       got things like kohacon events you can use a website (like above) to manually grab a date
10:14 ashimema       https://www.epochconverter.com/
10:14 severine_q     ok
10:14 ashimema       which is basically /seconds since 1970
10:14 ashimema       it's an 'epoch' date
10:13 severine_q     when i edit the history.txt file, i can see number beggun the lines, where do they come from ?
10:12 wahanui        that one is, like, running fine for me
10:12 ashimema       that one
10:12 ashimema       ooh..
10:12 severine_q     thanks !!
10:12 ashimema       fire away.. always happy to help :)
10:10 severine_q     or maybe someone else ? :)
10:10 severine_q     do you have some time for me ?
10:10 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25700 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Recent Kohacons are missing from the timeline
10:10 severine_q     ashimema : i'd like to train myself and propose a patch for bug 25700, but i've got some questions
09:35 ashimema       no.. don't think it's that
09:35 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26388 normal, P5 - low, ---, nick, Pushed to oldstable , Renew all and Renew selected buttons should account for items that can't be renewed
09:35 ashimema       bug 26388 maybe..
09:35 ashimema       hmm
09:32 ashimema       I'm digging.. trying to find it
09:32 magnuse        thanks!
09:29 ashimema       I thought there was a bug that had got further than that
09:29 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24476 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nick, Pushed to master , Allow patrons to opt-out of auto-renewal
09:29 magnuse        bug 24476
09:29 ashimema       ooh..
09:29 ashimema       koha is awesome
09:29 ashimema       :)
09:29 ashimema       I wish I'd set my alarm now so I could join the chat in congratulating these people
09:28 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21498 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Possibility to renew early when automatic renewals are enabled
09:28 magnuse        bug 21498
09:28 magnuse        oh yes indeed! as did all the other winners
09:27 ashimema       yeay cait, you well and truly deserve your award :)
09:20 ashimema       but there is a strong use case for allowing it.
09:20 ashimema       can't fully remember
09:20 ashimema       erm.. I'm sure there's been recent bugs to allow early renewal actually
08:53 magnuse        if a loan is set to auto renew, there is no to let the patron renew it from the opac, right?
08:02 ashimema       hehe
07:52 nlegrand       https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenga#/media/Fichier:Jenga.gif -> when I touch something in return.pl
07:51 ashimema       haha.. totally
07:50 ashimema       must admit, whenever I dig into circulation functions.. and I do more often than I'd like to admit.. it scares me... there's so many moving parts there
07:50 nlegrand       ho money and dates are the worst parts of a software.
07:50 nlegrand       ^^
07:50 ashimema       lol
07:50 ashimema       "easy" module..
07:49 nlegrand       yes specially with the part touching easy modules like circulation
07:49 ashimema       I've had similar fun with the cash management/point of sale work I've done.. it's taken 5  releases or so to get it all in.. and it's still being refined now :)
07:48 ashimema       it's hard splitting these things up.. but it does make testing that bit easier..
07:48 nlegrand       sure
07:48 ashimema       we're so close now to having a really fully functional feature with it
07:47 ashimema       It will be awesome to see it in 20.11
07:47 nlegrand       :)
07:47 ashimema       lots of people to test it over the next few days I reckon.. so not bad timing :)
07:47 ashimema       :)
07:47 nlegrand       ashimema: yes, I have to fix it soon and now I have time for it...
07:46 ashimema       aw.. hpoe you've reached the light at the end now :)
07:46 nlegrand       ashimema: I've been in a tunnel doing unpleasant things...
07:46 ashimema       I see you just rebased it
07:46 ashimema       how is your Desks work going nlegrand?
07:45 * ashimema     is in catch up mode.. watching Julias's accessability keynote.. it's awesome
07:45 magnuse        hooray for the kohacon awards!
07:44 ashimema       hope your keeping well
07:44 ashimema       nice to see you again nlegrand.. it's been a while
07:43 nlegrand       morning ashimema
07:34 ashimema       morning
07:30 nlegrand       salut severine_q !
07:30 severine_q     oyo nlegrand :)
07:28 nlegrand       Bonmatin
07:20 TimothyAlexis  We found the problem which was a typo after a merge. prority => $holdpriority,
07:15 severine_q     smon, that an interesting patch ! we don't use for now host-items so we didn't experiment these problems, but knowing it's fixed can be a good reason to try this feature :)
07:01 wahanui        bonjour, alex_a
07:01 alex_a         Bonjour
06:21 huginn         Bug 26313: normal, P5 - low, ---, nick, Pushed to oldstable , "Show analytics" and "Show volumes" links don't work with Elasticsearch and UseControlNumber
06:21 smon           https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26313
06:21 smon           ah
06:20 smon           is the  UseControlNumber  systemparameter zebra specific? or does it also apply to elasticsearch?
06:17 smon           i changed the field definition from $9 to $w, i hope that does not break anything
06:15 smon           there is host-item-number, which indexes 773$9, so you could add the parents biblionumber in $9? we use system numbers instead $w
06:11 smon           not the id
06:11 smon           because it indexes the main heading
06:10 smon           ah
06:09 smon           but https://(...)/cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/search.pl?q=host-item:<system number> has zero results
06:08 smon           there is a host-item field defined for biblios
06:07 smon           but this does not seem to work anymore
06:06 smon           in our marc view, we used this query structure to search for child records: q=rcn:<parent system number>+and(bib-level:a+or+bib-level:b+or+bib-level:m+or+bib-level:s)
06:05 severine_q     what a lucky day with elasticsearch question so early in the morning :p
06:01 severine_q     hi dcook !!
06:01 smon           i got another switching-to-elasticsearch question for you ;)
05:59 dcook          morning severine :)
05:54 severine_q     morning #koha !
05:43 wahanui        hola, smon
05:43 smon           hi
04:37 cait1          bye all
04:33 marie-luce     or have a good day :)
04:33 marie-luce     goodnight!
04:19 marie-luce     :)
04:19 cait1          i am still here but i shouldn#t be :)
04:16 marie-luce     let me know tomorrow how you french class went!
04:15 marie-luce     I'm still here, but not for long!
04:15 dcook          Just realized that everyone is off to sleep but me heh
04:01 dcook          Where was this in French class...
04:01 dcook          Heh
04:01 dcook          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7-Q59UIwLM&feature=youtu.be&t=805
03:59 * dcook        is trying to work on his Joubu pronunciation
03:57 dcook          I do love Sonia's video!
03:57 dcook          Oh now I'm watching replays
03:46 marie-luce     thank you all, it was lovely to watch from Montreal
03:45 carlos         thanks everyone - great to be part of this from still-secluded Melbourne!
03:44 caroline       good night all! talk tomorrow!
03:44 caroline       ends are sad!
03:44 oleonard       'night everybody
03:32 georgewilliams congratulations to bob and irma
03:30 irma           thanks all :)
03:29 marie-luce     have a lovely trip!
03:29 irma           bye for now
03:29 cait1          have a great vacation irma and bob and congratulatoins :)
03:29 irma           best wishes everyone for the end of the conference and the hackfest
03:29 davidnind      it was great that you could pop in irma!
03:29 irma           So we'll get back on the road to the next town
03:28 irma           very nice, congratulations all the other winners
03:24 davidnind      bob++
03:24 davidnind      irma++
03:22 marie-luce     great job all!
03:22 irma           :-)
03:21 dcook          Congrats Bob and Irma (also on retirement)
03:21 dcook          Oh wow I'm floored
03:20 thd            Where would Koha be if HLT had not had a year 2000 problem?
03:20 irma           we love it THank you
03:20 marie-luce     irma++
03:20 caroline       Congrats irma! <3
03:20 alexbuckley    irma++
03:20 lisettelatah   irma++
03:19 oleonard       irma++
03:16 irma           ++++ thank You !!!
03:13 irma           +++++ :-)
03:11 irma           +++
03:08 lisettelatah   paul_p++
03:08 oleonard       paul_p++
03:06 alexbuckley    ashimema++
03:06 lisettelatah   ashimema++
03:05 oleonard       ashimema++
03:05 irma           +++ :-)
03:03 oleonard       Joubu++
03:03 alexbuckley    joubu++
03:03 lisettelatah   Joubu++
03:03 irma           +++ :-)
03:03 marie-luce     joubu++
03:00 irma           +++ :-)
03:00 lisettelatah   cait1++
02:59 marie-luce     davidnind++
02:59 lisettelatah   davidnind++
02:59 oleonard       davidnind++ :)
02:59 marie-luce     congrats cait1++
02:58 oleonard       cait1++
02:58 davidnind      cait1++
02:58 irma           ++++ :-)
02:57 oleonard       You can't tell but I'm wearing my tuxedo for the occasion
02:56 irma           +++
02:54 davidnind      we're back - the Koha Awards ceremony is beginning...
02:32 davidnind      break time, back in 20 minutes...#Kohacon20
02:30 koha-jenkins   Project Koha_19.05_D9_MDB10.3 build #71: FIXED in 36 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_D9_MDB10.3/71/
02:30 wahanui        Congratulations!
02:30 koha-jenkins   Yippee, build fixed!
02:30 cait1          nightly reconnect oops
02:30 marie-luce     nice spot to watch KohaCon
02:29 caroline       I thought I understood you were traveling, but it's nice that you popped in to say hi! :D
02:29 irma           hi oleanard, marie-luce
02:28 irma           hi caroline, we're on holiday in western New South Wales, have stopped in a town called Coonamble .  Having a picnic lunch in a park and connecting to kohacon - technology!
02:27 marie-luce     hi irma
02:26 oleonard       Hi irma :)
02:26 cait           hallo :)
02:25 caroline       hi irma!
02:23 irma           hi
02:18 oleonard       kellym++
02:18 oleonard       jzairo++
02:00 mtj            hi tcohen, could you kick jenkins 2 and 4 pls...  some problem with 'git fetch'
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01:54 wahanui        Congratulations!
01:54 koha-jenkins   Yippee, build fixed!
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01:48 dcook          I have other priorities (personal and commercial), but it's interesting...
01:47 dcook          Added some more info about directions we might want to take in terms of backend tech..
01:47 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10787 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Linked Data/RDF Omnibus
01:47 dcook          bug 10787
01:45 cait           marie-luce: haven't seen anything yet, but i guess we could always make up something
01:45 dcook          mtj: I hear you
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01:42 marie-luce     for people who aren't in Wellington tomorrow for the cultural day, is there a workshop or any other thing plan to get social?
01:42 mtj            if [ systemctl is-enabled rabbitmq-server ]; then
01:42 mtj            hmm, even easier...
01:41 mtj            if dpkg-query -W -f='${db:Status-Abbrev}' rabbitmq-server | grep -q ^.i ; then
01:41 mtj            ..versus..
01:41 mtj            if [ $(systemctl is-enabled rabbitmq-server) = 'enabled' ]; then
01:39 dcook          #goals
01:39 dcook          Me too
01:39 dcook          :3
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01:39 mtj            also, i really wish our debian scripts were using systemd
01:38 dcook          heh
01:37 mtj            ...i had it done last week
01:37 dcook          Oh cool. I'll take a peek
01:37 mtj            hi dcook, i sent a patch for your rabbitmq bug
01:36 dcook          Very inspiring davidnind :)
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01:33 davidnind      thanks!
01:31 cait           well done :)
01:31 marie-luce     awesome presentation!
01:31 oleonard       Well done davidnind!
01:31 marie-luce     davidnind++
01:31 lisettelatah   davidnind++
01:31 dcook          davidnind++
01:31 caroline       that was awesome
01:31 caroline       davidnind++
01:30 dcook          Maybe "Koha" pages would be useful..
01:30 dcook          So apparently wikidata pages are stored as "pages" in mediawiki..
01:29 dcook          So here's the RDF for a Mark Twain VIAF record: https://viaf.org/viaf/138978451/rdf.xml
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01:29 marie-luce     that would be fantastic
01:28 caroline       vizualization++
01:28 dcook          Yeah, authority data is an interesting example
01:28 dcook          Thinking back to davidnind's example, maybe it could be useful for visualization collections too..
01:28 caroline       What I'd love to see is links to author bios in OPACs and such things
01:27 dcook          Although they'd have to use compatible schemas still..
01:27 dcook          Maybe if a central library/union catalogue used OAI-PMH or something to get RDF from member libraries
01:26 dcook          (Other than in terms of copy cataloguing)
01:26 dcook          But I'm not sure how a library would necessarily have very useful machine readable data
01:26 dcook          It has lots of useful information
01:26 dcook          The thing about WikiData is that it has critical mass
01:26 dcook          So now I'm actually thinking how we could output that as RDF..
01:25 dcook          I have been trying to drum up interest in non-library open gov data
01:25 caroline       I'm actually in the Tri-Wizard tournament at the moment, trying to stun all those creatures...
01:25 oleonard       It's not spam, I love hearing about your menagerie
01:25 caroline       yeah, sorry for spamming...
01:25 dcook          heh
01:25 * oleonard     reads the scrollback to learn that caroline is having trouble with sphinxes and pythons, oh my!
01:24 dcook          Although as time goes on, I get a better idea of what it should look like
01:24 dcook          We need to work out how to use it in Koha first
01:24 dcook          Yeah that's the stuff bit heh
01:24 caroline       what is it, what does it eat in winter? how it is used in ILSs, how it is used in Koha (if at all)
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01:23 caroline       dcook: linked data would be an interesting conference talk :)
01:22 caroline       I guess that can all be linked to open data (like govt data)?
01:20 dcook          Store the actual data as a blob in an SQL database, and then just "index" that in the triplestore...
01:20 dcook          As the years go by, it seems to me that triplestores are used the same way as a search engine like Solr/Elasticsearch
01:19 dcook          Interesting info on Wikidata: https://www.quora.com/Does-wikidata-store-data-as-RDF-Triples-If-yes-what-kind-of-datastore-is-used
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01:16 caroline       ok commented the spelling sections in source/conf.py and it now works! :D
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00:58 caroline       Is there a way to skip the spell checking when I want to "make"? I just want to see if I'm able to add alt text to images
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00:56 caroline       I'm not going to manually install each of those, it's crazy
00:56 caroline       I tried sudo apt-get install python 3.8 but there are soooooo many missing dependencies
00:55 caroline       Yeah I was just looking at my python version
00:55 davidnind      caroline: I think it has to do with the version of Python - Unbuntu 18.04 has version 2 and 3 installed, find the package name for spelling with the 3 in it (I think - it was a while ago)
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00:48 wahanui        Congratulations!
00:48 koha-jenkins   Yippee, build fixed!
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00:44 caroline       "upgrade" doesn't work either
00:44 caroline       I tried pip update PyEnchant, but it says update doesn't exist
00:44 caroline       is there a way to force it to update&
00:43 caroline       So I try to install PyEnchant, and it installs version 2.0.0, but sphinxcontrib-spelling requires version 3.1.1 (from what I understand of the error messages)
00:43 caroline       I'm trying to install sphinxcontrib-spelling, which requires PyEnchant
00:42 caroline       I'm having trouble with my sphinx again...
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00:27 cait           or at least unlikely considering the current situation
00:27 cait           I was wondering if we should have a virtual hackfest maybe ... as it looks like marseille next year is not going to happen as well
00:15 tuxayo         yes!
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00:15 dcook          Maybe something about background tasks and schedulers at some point down the road too..
00:14 tuxayo         \o dcook
00:14 dcook          Even if we are moving to just Debian/Ubuntu heh
00:14 dcook          Cheers tuxayo :)
00:13 dcook          Hmm that's a good point
00:13 tuxayo         And also the general challenges and possible strategies around that. (distro packages, cpan, carton, etc)
00:13 tuxayo         That could help a lot people who can't use Debian or Ubuntu.
00:12 tuxayo         «dcook never knows what to talk about at Kohacon» You have a lot to talk about your very diverse Koha installations!
00:11 davidnind      oleonard++
00:10 davidnind      **blushes**
00:05 cait           heh
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00:05 cait           oleonard: definitely :)
00:05 oleonard       In fact I can probably just re-use the old talk... Nothing much has changed has it?
00:04 oleonard       I'm thinking that next year it will have been 12 years since my OPAC customization talk, maybe it's time to bring it back ;)
00:04 marie-luce     davidnind++
00:03 oleonard       davidnind++
00:03 cait           davidnind: you already won the audience over with your 2! previous talks so I think you will be fine :)
00:02 * dcook        never knows what to talk about at Kohacon
00:02 dcook          Maybe I could do a demo in the future...
00:01 marie-luce     demo are the best presentation!
00:01 dcook          So you can do it :D
00:01 dcook          I have a friend who did a 2 minute lightning talk where she live coded a Python program which wrote, compiled, and ran a C++ program without any errors. I think she almost got a standing ovation heh
00:00 dcook          You can do it davidnind!
00:00 davidnind      I have no slides... and I'm going to tempt the demo gods by doing some live editing (if I have time)...