Time Nick Message
00:00 davidnind I have no slides... and I'm going to tempt the demo gods by doing some live editing (if I have time)...
00:00 dcook You can do it davidnind!
00:01 dcook I have a friend who did a 2 minute lightning talk where she live coded a Python program which wrote, compiled, and ran a C++ program without any errors. I think she almost got a standing ovation heh
00:01 dcook So you can do it :D
00:01 marie-luce demo are the best presentation!
00:02 dcook Maybe I could do a demo in the future...
00:02 * dcook never knows what to talk about at Kohacon
00:03 cait davidnind: you already won the audience over with your 2! previous talks so I think you will be fine :)
00:03 oleonard davidnind++
00:04 marie-luce davidnind++
00:04 oleonard I'm thinking that next year it will have been 12 years since my OPAC customization talk, maybe it's time to bring it back ;)
00:05 oleonard In fact I can probably just re-use the old talk... Nothing much has changed has it?
00:05 cait oleonard: definitely :)
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00:05 cait heh
00:10 davidnind **blushes**
00:11 davidnind oleonard++
00:12 tuxayo «dcook never knows what to talk about at Kohacon» You have a lot to talk about your very diverse Koha installations!
00:13 tuxayo That could help a lot people who can't use Debian or Ubuntu.
00:13 tuxayo And also the general challenges and possible strategies around that. (distro packages, cpan, carton, etc)
00:13 dcook Hmm that's a good point
00:14 dcook Cheers tuxayo :)
00:14 dcook Even if we are moving to just Debian/Ubuntu heh
00:14 tuxayo \o dcook
00:15 dcook Maybe something about background tasks and schedulers at some point down the road too..
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00:15 tuxayo yes!
00:27 cait I was wondering if we should have a virtual hackfest maybe ... as it looks like marseille next year is not going to happen as well
00:27 cait or at least unlikely considering the current situation
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00:42 caroline I'm having trouble with my sphinx again...
00:43 caroline I'm trying to install sphinxcontrib-spelling, which requires PyEnchant
00:43 caroline So I try to install PyEnchant, and it installs version 2.0.0, but sphinxcontrib-spelling requires version 3.1.1 (from what I understand of the error messages)
00:44 caroline is there a way to force it to update&
00:44 caroline I tried pip update PyEnchant, but it says update doesn't exist
00:44 caroline "upgrade" doesn't work either
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00:48 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
00:48 wahanui Congratulations!
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00:55 davidnind caroline: I think it has to do with the version of Python - Unbuntu 18.04 has version 2 and 3 installed, find the package name for spelling with the 3 in it (I think - it was a while ago)
00:55 caroline Yeah I was just looking at my python version
00:56 caroline I tried sudo apt-get install python 3.8 but there are soooooo many missing dependencies
00:56 caroline I'm not going to manually install each of those, it's crazy
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00:58 caroline Is there a way to skip the spell checking when I want to "make"? I just want to see if I'm able to add alt text to images
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01:16 caroline ok commented the spelling sections in source/conf.py and it now works! :D
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01:19 dcook Interesting info on Wikidata: https://www.quora.com/Does-wikidata-store-data-as-RDF-Triples-If-yes-what-kind-of-datastore-is-used
01:20 dcook As the years go by, it seems to me that triplestores are used the same way as a search engine like Solr/Elasticsearch
01:20 dcook Store the actual data as a blob in an SQL database, and then just "index" that in the triplestore...
01:22 caroline I guess that can all be linked to open data (like govt data)?
01:23 caroline dcook: linked data would be an interesting conference talk :)
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01:24 caroline what is it, what does it eat in winter? how it is used in ILSs, how it is used in Koha (if at all)
01:24 dcook Yeah that's the stuff bit heh
01:24 dcook We need to work out how to use it in Koha first
01:24 dcook Although as time goes on, I get a better idea of what it should look like
01:25 * oleonard reads the scrollback to learn that caroline is having trouble with sphinxes and pythons, oh my!
01:25 dcook heh
01:25 caroline yeah, sorry for spamming...
01:25 oleonard It's not spam, I love hearing about your menagerie
01:25 caroline I'm actually in the Tri-Wizard tournament at the moment, trying to stun all those creatures...
01:25 dcook I have been trying to drum up interest in non-library open gov data
01:26 dcook So now I'm actually thinking how we could output that as RDF..
01:26 dcook The thing about WikiData is that it has critical mass
01:26 dcook It has lots of useful information
01:26 dcook But I'm not sure how a library would necessarily have very useful machine readable data
01:26 dcook (Other than in terms of copy cataloguing)
01:27 dcook Maybe if a central library/union catalogue used OAI-PMH or something to get RDF from member libraries
01:27 dcook Although they'd have to use compatible schemas still..
01:28 caroline What I'd love to see is links to author bios in OPACs and such things
01:28 dcook Thinking back to davidnind's example, maybe it could be useful for visualization collections too..
01:28 dcook Yeah, authority data is an interesting example
01:28 caroline vizualization++
01:29 marie-luce that would be fantastic
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01:29 dcook So here's the RDF for a Mark Twain VIAF record: https://viaf.org/viaf/138978451/rdf.xml
01:30 dcook So apparently wikidata pages are stored as "pages" in mediawiki..
01:30 dcook Maybe "Koha" pages would be useful..
01:31 caroline davidnind++
01:31 caroline that was awesome
01:31 dcook davidnind++
01:31 lisettelatah davidnind++
01:31 marie-luce davidnind++
01:31 oleonard Well done davidnind!
01:31 marie-luce awesome presentation!
01:31 cait well done :)
01:33 davidnind thanks!
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01:36 dcook Very inspiring davidnind :)
01:37 mtj hi dcook, i sent a patch for your rabbitmq bug
01:37 dcook Oh cool. I'll take a peek
01:37 mtj ...i had it done last week
01:38 dcook heh
01:39 mtj also, i really wish our debian scripts were using systemd
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01:39 dcook :3
01:39 dcook Me too
01:39 dcook #goals
01:41 mtj if [ $(systemctl is-enabled rabbitmq-server) = 'enabled' ]; then
01:41 mtj ..versus..
01:41 mtj if dpkg-query -W -f='${db:Status-Abbrev}' rabbitmq-server | grep -q ^.i ; then
01:42 mtj hmm, even easier...
01:42 mtj if [ systemctl is-enabled rabbitmq-server ]; then
01:42 marie-luce for people who aren't in Wellington tomorrow for the cultural day, is there a workshop or any other thing plan to get social?
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01:45 dcook mtj: I hear you
01:45 cait marie-luce: haven't seen anything yet, but i guess we could always make up something
01:47 dcook bug 10787
01:47 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10787 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Linked Data/RDF Omnibus
01:47 dcook Added some more info about directions we might want to take in terms of backend tech..
01:48 dcook I have other priorities (personal and commercial), but it's interesting...
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01:54 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
01:54 wahanui Congratulations!
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02:00 mtj hi tcohen, could you kick jenkins 2 and 4 pls... some problem with 'git fetch'
02:18 oleonard jzairo++
02:18 oleonard kellym++
02:23 irma hi
02:25 caroline hi irma!
02:26 cait hallo :)
02:26 oleonard Hi irma :)
02:27 marie-luce hi irma
02:28 irma hi caroline, we're on holiday in western New South Wales, have stopped in a town called Coonamble . Having a picnic lunch in a park and connecting to kohacon - technology!
02:29 irma hi oleanard, marie-luce
02:29 caroline I thought I understood you were traveling, but it's nice that you popped in to say hi! :D
02:30 marie-luce nice spot to watch KohaCon
02:30 cait1 nightly reconnect oops
02:30 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
02:30 wahanui Congratulations!
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02:32 davidnind break time, back in 20 minutes...#Kohacon20
02:54 davidnind we're back - the Koha Awards ceremony is beginning...
02:56 irma +++
02:57 oleonard You can't tell but I'm wearing my tuxedo for the occasion
02:58 irma ++++ :-)
02:58 davidnind cait1++
02:58 oleonard cait1++
02:59 marie-luce congrats cait1++
02:59 oleonard davidnind++ :)
02:59 lisettelatah davidnind++
02:59 marie-luce davidnind++
03:00 lisettelatah cait1++
03:00 irma +++ :-)
03:03 marie-luce joubu++
03:03 irma +++ :-)
03:03 lisettelatah Joubu++
03:03 alexbuckley joubu++
03:03 oleonard Joubu++
03:05 irma +++ :-)
03:05 oleonard ashimema++
03:06 lisettelatah ashimema++
03:06 alexbuckley ashimema++
03:08 oleonard paul_p++
03:08 lisettelatah paul_p++
03:11 irma +++
03:13 irma +++++ :-)
03:16 irma ++++ thank You !!!
03:19 oleonard irma++
03:20 lisettelatah irma++
03:20 alexbuckley irma++
03:20 caroline Congrats irma! <3
03:20 marie-luce irma++
03:20 irma we love it THank you
03:20 thd Where would Koha be if HLT had not had a year 2000 problem?
03:21 dcook Oh wow I'm floored
03:21 dcook Congrats Bob and Irma (also on retirement)
03:22 irma :-)
03:22 marie-luce great job all!
03:24 davidnind irma++
03:24 davidnind bob++
03:28 irma very nice, congratulations all the other winners
03:29 irma So we'll get back on the road to the next town
03:29 davidnind it was great that you could pop in irma!
03:29 irma best wishes everyone for the end of the conference and the hackfest
03:29 cait1 have a great vacation irma and bob and congratulatoins :)
03:29 irma bye for now
03:29 marie-luce have a lovely trip!
03:30 irma thanks all :)
03:32 georgewilliams congratulations to bob and irma
03:44 oleonard 'night everybody
03:44 caroline ends are sad!
03:44 caroline good night all! talk tomorrow!
03:45 carlos thanks everyone - great to be part of this from still-secluded Melbourne!
03:46 marie-luce thank you all, it was lovely to watch from Montreal
03:57 dcook Oh now I'm watching replays
03:57 dcook I do love Sonia's video!
03:59 * dcook is trying to work on his Joubu pronunciation
04:01 dcook https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7-Q59UIwLM&feature=youtu.be&t=805
04:01 dcook Heh
04:01 dcook Where was this in French class...
04:15 dcook Just realized that everyone is off to sleep but me heh
04:15 marie-luce I'm still here, but not for long!
04:16 marie-luce let me know tomorrow how you french class went!
04:19 cait1 i am still here but i shouldn#t be :)
04:19 marie-luce :)
04:33 marie-luce goodnight!
04:33 marie-luce or have a good day :)
04:37 cait1 bye all
05:43 smon hi
05:43 wahanui hola, smon
05:54 severine_q morning #koha !
05:59 dcook morning severine :)
06:01 smon i got another switching-to-elasticsearch question for you ;)
06:01 severine_q hi dcook !!
06:05 severine_q what a lucky day with elasticsearch question so early in the morning :p
06:06 smon in our marc view, we used this query structure to search for child records: q=rcn:<parent system number>+and(bib-level:a+or+bib-level:b+or+bib-level:m+or+bib-level:s)
06:07 smon but this does not seem to work anymore
06:08 smon there is a host-item field defined for biblios
06:09 smon but https://(...)/cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/search.pl?q=host-item:<system number> has zero results
06:10 smon ah
06:11 smon because it indexes the main heading
06:11 smon not the id
06:15 smon there is host-item-number, which indexes 773$9, so you could add the parents biblionumber in $9? we use system numbers instead $w
06:17 smon i changed the field definition from $9 to $w, i hope that does not break anything
06:20 smon is the UseControlNumber systemparameter zebra specific? or does it also apply to elasticsearch?
06:21 smon ah
06:21 smon https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26313
06:21 huginn Bug 26313: normal, P5 - low, ---, nick, Pushed to oldstable , "Show analytics" and "Show volumes" links don't work with Elasticsearch and UseControlNumber
07:01 alex_a Bonjour
07:01 wahanui bonjour, alex_a
07:15 severine_q smon, that an interesting patch ! we don't use for now host-items so we didn't experiment these problems, but knowing it's fixed can be a good reason to try this feature :)
07:20 TimothyAlexis We found the problem which was a typo after a merge. prority => $holdpriority,
07:28 nlegrand Bonmatin
07:30 severine_q oyo nlegrand :)
07:30 nlegrand salut severine_q !
07:34 ashimema morning
07:43 nlegrand morning ashimema
07:44 ashimema nice to see you again nlegrand.. it's been a while
07:44 ashimema hope your keeping well
07:45 magnuse hooray for the kohacon awards!
07:45 * ashimema is in catch up mode.. watching Julias's accessability keynote.. it's awesome
07:46 ashimema how is your Desks work going nlegrand?
07:46 ashimema I see you just rebased it
07:46 nlegrand ashimema: I've been in a tunnel doing unpleasant things...
07:46 ashimema aw.. hpoe you've reached the light at the end now :)
07:47 nlegrand ashimema: yes, I have to fix it soon and now I have time for it...
07:47 ashimema :)
07:47 ashimema lots of people to test it over the next few days I reckon.. so not bad timing :)
07:47 nlegrand :)
07:47 ashimema It will be awesome to see it in 20.11
07:48 ashimema we're so close now to having a really fully functional feature with it
07:48 nlegrand sure
07:48 ashimema it's hard splitting these things up.. but it does make testing that bit easier..
07:49 ashimema I've had similar fun with the cash management/point of sale work I've done.. it's taken 5 releases or so to get it all in.. and it's still being refined now :)
07:49 nlegrand yes specially with the part touching easy modules like circulation
07:50 ashimema "easy" module..
07:50 ashimema lol
07:50 nlegrand ^^
07:50 nlegrand ho money and dates are the worst parts of a software.
07:50 ashimema must admit, whenever I dig into circulation functions.. and I do more often than I'd like to admit.. it scares me... there's so many moving parts there
07:51 ashimema haha.. totally
07:52 nlegrand https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenga#/media/Fichier:Jenga.gif -> when I touch something in return.pl
08:02 ashimema hehe
08:53 magnuse if a loan is set to auto renew, there is no to let the patron renew it from the opac, right?
09:20 ashimema erm.. I'm sure there's been recent bugs to allow early renewal actually
09:20 ashimema can't fully remember
09:20 ashimema but there is a strong use case for allowing it.
09:27 ashimema yeay cait, you well and truly deserve your award :)
09:28 magnuse oh yes indeed! as did all the other winners
09:28 magnuse bug 21498
09:28 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21498 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Possibility to renew early when automatic renewals are enabled
09:29 ashimema I wish I'd set my alarm now so I could join the chat in congratulating these people
09:29 ashimema :)
09:29 ashimema koha is awesome
09:29 ashimema ooh..
09:29 magnuse bug 24476
09:29 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24476 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nick, Pushed to master , Allow patrons to opt-out of auto-renewal
09:29 ashimema I thought there was a bug that had got further than that
09:32 magnuse thanks!
09:32 ashimema I'm digging.. trying to find it
09:35 ashimema hmm
09:35 ashimema bug 26388 maybe..
09:35 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26388 normal, P5 - low, ---, nick, Pushed to oldstable , Renew all and Renew selected buttons should account for items that can't be renewed
09:35 ashimema no.. don't think it's that
10:10 severine_q ashimema : i'd like to train myself and propose a patch for bug 25700, but i've got some questions
10:10 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25700 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Recent Kohacons are missing from the timeline
10:10 severine_q do you have some time for me ?
10:10 severine_q or maybe someone else ? :)
10:12 ashimema fire away.. always happy to help :)
10:12 severine_q thanks !!
10:12 ashimema ooh..
10:12 ashimema that one
10:12 wahanui that one is, like, running fine for me
10:13 severine_q when i edit the history.txt file, i can see number beggun the lines, where do they come from ?
10:14 ashimema it's an 'epoch' date
10:14 ashimema which is basically /seconds since 1970
10:14 severine_q ok
10:14 ashimema https://www.epochconverter.com/
10:14 ashimema got things like kohacon events you can use a website (like above) to manually grab a date
10:15 ashimema for the commit authors and things we grab it from the git logs
10:15 severine_q ok
10:16 ashimema interesting.. there's loads of Kohacon's missing from the timeline
10:16 severine_q so i'm supposed to modify the .txt file, adding new lines for each missing KohaCon and adding this epoch date
10:16 severine_q am I right ?
10:16 ashimema that would be perfect :)
10:17 severine_q great ! I'll try something and hope it'll be fine :)
10:17 severine_q #crossfingers
10:24 ashimema :D
10:24 ashimema It'll be great to have them on here
10:25 ashimema I feel the timeline has gotten a little out of hand.. it would be great to add filtering to it at some point.. or give it a more interactive visual display :)
10:25 ashimema I lvoe that we celebrate every new developer and ever release.. but you can end up not seeing the wood for the trees
10:26 eythian https://archive.org/details/marygrove "In October 2020, the collection of Detroit-based Marygrove College Library, comprising more than 70,000 books and journals, starts a new life online with the support of the Internet Archive." A short doco on the digitisation of a closing library.
10:26 ashimema very cool
10:29 oleonard o/
10:30 ashimema when was the first kohacon?
10:30 ashimema 2006 one in paris?
10:35 ashimema bug 22018 magnuse.. seems I was keen to add such functionality too.. but didn't find the moment to actually do it :(
10:35 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22018 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, NEW , Add an option to 'AllowEarlyRenewal' to enable users to renew before the autorenew date
11:26 kohaputti The state of Finnish translations is not that great currently in Koha 20.05, I'm thinking of asking lots people to help us get it in better condition but I don't know if we should start our efforts after the 20.11 string freeze (11th november) or whether it would be useful to start it already know. My question here is whether most of the 20.05 translated strings will be lost after the new string freeze and translations files are
11:26 kohaputti uploaded for 20.11.
11:31 ashimema were people still having issues this morning with sandboxes
11:31 ashimema struggling to replicate any issues that were reported last night
11:43 kidclamp ours still seem to be broken ashimema
11:44 ashimema interesting
11:44 nlegrand in hold.js, the line data += " " + __("at %s").format(oObj.waiting_at); gives me a Untranslatable string found (at %s) - See coding guideline JS5
11:45 * ashimema runs up a bywater sandbox to to inspect the provision logs
11:45 nlegrand it puzzles me, because it comes straight from Bug 25321 and I don't see what's wrong regarding the guidlines
11:45 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25321 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to stable , Move translatable strings out of strings.inc into the corresponding JavaScript
11:45 nlegrand also I mimicked it for Bug 24412 as now it's a qa-tool error for me also :)
11:46 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24412 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nicolas.legrand, Failed QA , Attach waiting hold to desk
11:46 nlegrand Is it some kind of false positive or did I miss something?
11:47 ashimema the only difference I know of locally is that we have a 2 minute wait during provisioning instead of 1 minute.. I think I added the extra minute because our server was very slow to get the container going on occasions and it fails spectacularly if the container isn't there when the next command runs.
11:48 ashimema hmm
11:48 ashimema that feels odd nlegrand
11:48 ashimema jajm around ?
11:48 ashimema I must admit.. I'm not yet close enough to fully interpret that error
11:51 ashimema kidclamp.. maybe try the hard core 'docker system prune -af' to fully cleanup all images etc.. we had loads of stuff hanging around this morning on our when I checked..
11:51 ashimema then re-run the sandbox setup script
11:52 nlegrand ashimema: ho! It may be a tab problem!!! (I edited it with an editor not well configured)
11:52 kidclamp passing that to khall_
11:56 nlegrand ho, no it wasn't...
12:12 TimothyAlexis fridolin here?
12:13 fridolin TimothyAlexis: yep
12:13 fridolin how are u today ?
12:13 TimothyAlexis Fine, thank you for asking.
12:13 TimothyAlexis :)
12:14 TimothyAlexis I'm thinking, when adding items using cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/additem.pl?biblionumber=<some numbe>, the new_status should be set.
12:19 TimothyAlexis and I'm wondering if it should. :)
12:26 fridolin TimothyAlexis: sure, a newly created item should have "is new" defined (1 for example)
12:27 fridolin you may use framework default value for this subfield
12:36 khall sandboxes appear to be working again!
12:40 nlegrand I fixed my problem by rebasing qa-tools to an up to date version. After one hour fiddling with old qa-tools code...
12:40 oleonard :(
12:41 ashimema oh noes..
12:41 ashimema sorry nlegrand
12:41 ashimema khall++
12:48 cait hello
12:48 wahanui salut, cait
12:48 nlegrand the worse part, is me trying to fix qa-tools code before thinking maybe it's already been fixed ^^. I feel a bit... Well...
12:48 nlegrand bonjour cait!
12:49 cait hi nlegrand :)
12:49 kohaputti Very great talks in KohaCon this year, thanks to all the speakers and organizers :)
12:51 cait yes - very happy how it turned out with COVID and all
12:51 cait was fun watching
12:51 cait no i just need to figure out how to turn back from vampire to human
12:52 * oleonard buys a black velvet cape for cait for Christmas
12:54 cait oleonard: cape!
12:55 cait now that would be a reason to get permanently turned
12:55 nlegrand :D
12:55 cait with koha isignia on the back?
12:56 tuxayo The superlibrarian cape?
12:56 oleonard The superlibrarian cape is not goth enough for a vampire
12:56 cait yep
12:56 TimothyAlexis fridolin++
12:58 cait oleonard: maybe a silver amulet with the K! ?
12:59 oleonard The safety of vampires around silver is somewhat in dispute I believe... Would hate to have that go wrong...
13:02 * magnuse sends ashimema some tuits for bug 22018
13:02 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22018 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, NEW , Add an option to 'AllowEarlyRenewal' to enable users to renew before the autorenew date
13:05 cait oleonard: i see... same goes for wooden things that have too sharp edges i guess
13:05 * oleonard confiscates cait's pencils
13:06 cait lol
13:06 cait ok... black on black stitched koha logo on the cape?
13:07 oleonard Now we're talking
13:08 ashimema :)
13:09 cait I am a new vampire... still learning
13:09 cait glad to have your guidance... and I guess we now finally solved the mystery of non-aging oleonard :)
13:10 * oleonard now REALLY wants a cape with black on black stitched Koha logo!!
13:11 cait yah *sigh*
13:14 oleonard The real mystery about vampires is where do they get their wardrobe budget
13:15 cait lol
13:20 cait kohaputti: i just see your translation question in the logs -did you get an answer already?
13:21 kohaputti no answer yet
13:21 cait when you translate 20.05 and the exact same string is in 20.11 Pootle will suggest it
13:21 cait in that case it shows in light grey in the box and you can just submit after a quick check
13:21 kohaputti ok, so then I think best to wait for 20.11 string freeze to not have to do double work
13:21 cait AND if you have a lot of difference in already translated Bernardo has some magic scripts to update one transltion file from the other
13:22 cait ALSO as 20.11 files do not exist yet - you got on problem at all. the same strings will be moved
13:22 cait we only have to translate new and changed (they turn fuzzy for rechecking) thankfully
13:23 cait i am still struggling with the relator terms in the installer files...
13:23 kohaputti thanks for the info :)
13:24 cait the 20.11 files will be built from the 20.05 files
13:25 kohaputti still probably best to wait for 20.11 string freeze to not have to do the translations for removed or changed strings.
13:26 cait you could do that, or start with files that are not likely to change much
13:26 cait but if you don't want to use 20.05 waiting should be fine
13:26 kohaputti just one month so waiting is okay :)
13:28 cait i think he might make the files available a bit earlier
13:28 cait he ususally does for getting people started if they want
13:28 cait and then updates again on string freeze
13:28 kohaputti good to know :)
13:29 kohaputti with the two weeks that is between freeze and release it would require a massive amount of people working at the same time doing translations
13:29 cait and it's boring
13:29 kohaputti (since there is bunch of untranslated stuff in finnish)
13:30 cait you will also never be done with refining
13:30 cait we still spot typos and such that when you start fixing htem turn out ot have been there for like 10 versions :)
13:34 cait always happy to help with any translation questions
13:38 henryb This random quip on bugzilla really made me chuckle "How many QA testers does it take to change a lightbulb? --> QA testers don't change anything. They just report that it's dark." Well done, whoever said it!
13:41 * cait has no idea what this means: New budget-parent is beneath budget
13:41 cait heh
14:17 ashimema hehehe
14:17 ashimema that's brillaint henryb
14:22 henryb cait: have you worked out what it means?
14:22 cait no
14:23 cait i used the old translations... i think it probably never shows up
14:23 cait because it actualyl makes no sense
14:24 cait henryb: sometimes I have to admit to give up - was not in th emood to dig deep on that one
14:25 henryb Fair enough! I think that's very sensible
14:25 henryb I also have no idea what it means
14:54 ashimema did you have a think about an accessibility focused role for community henryb ?
14:54 ashimema I was talking about accessibility and how it's an ongoing challenge with Phil (Commons) earlier :)
14:54 ashimema it would be awesome to have you
14:57 cait could be a topic expert role too
14:57 cait if that feels a little easier
14:58 ashimema totally
14:58 cait but in general it's really nice to have you around :)
15:09 * oleonard tests to see if there is an expiration date for signoffs
15:10 cait huh?
15:10 oleonard Bug 12533
15:10 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12533 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Improve authority search result display
15:10 oleonard Failed QA since 2019-04-26
15:11 ashimema yikes
15:11 ashimema :)
15:24 oleonard This is what comes from me looking at the list of bugs assigned to me
15:25 cait it's a good thing to do, but must be a little scary
15:33 henryb ashimema: yeah I'd love to do it, just trying to get internal support/permission at the moment
15:33 ashimema I should do that soon.. I bet I have hundreds in scary states
15:33 ashimema excellent :)
15:33 ashimema sell it as a protection on their investment ;)
15:33 cait personal development
15:34 cait hm professional development
15:34 ashimema :)
15:49 cait khall_: do you have time to check the adult guarantors again?
15:50 cait bug 12446
15:50 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12446 new feature, P5 - low, ---, maryse.simard, Signed Off , Enable an adult to have a guarantor
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16:17 cait hi khall :)
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16:23 tuxayo ouch the tests
16:24 severine_q need some help to commit my first patch by myself...
16:24 severine_q anyone interested ?
16:24 severine_q :)
16:25 tuxayo severine_q hi o/
16:25 severine_q salut tuxayo !!
16:25 tuxayo severine_q, we can't try
16:26 severine_q can't ?! oh...
16:27 tuxayo *can
16:27 tuxayo terrible typo
16:27 tuxayo >_<
16:28 ashimema 🦸
16:45 severine_q and tadaa bug 25700 !!
16:45 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25700 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Recent Kohacons are missing from the timeline
16:45 severine_q thanks tuxayo !!
16:45 tuxayo severine_q++
16:46 cait missed khall
16:46 cait @later tell khall bug 11299 it was
16:46 huginn cait: The operation succeeded.
16:47 cait severine_q: your first?
16:47 cait that#s about time!
16:47 tuxayo severine_q: thanks for maintaining that, and searching the websites!
16:48 cait severine_q: updated bug to make you assignee :)
16:48 cait congrats!
16:49 severine_q cait : well, it's the second actually, but this one was all by myself without nicolas by my side so i'm quite proud :)
16:49 cait be warned, it can get addictive :)
16:50 severine_q oh i believe you :)
16:51 severine_q i'd be happy to help for these kinds of minor fixes
16:51 severine_q if you find some, please send me so I can practice !
17:00 cait of course :)
17:00 cait you might want to look at some of the bugs in NEW with keyword Academy
17:00 cait i filed some for changing link texts
17:01 cait better accessibility by nt making links read "here" :)
17:02 cait bug 26722
17:02 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26722 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , [Omnibus] Don't use "here" and similar as a link text
17:04 tuxayo cait++
17:11 severine_q thanks cait for the tip !
17:47 severine_q good bye #koha !
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18:21 caroline good morning/afternoon/evening all!
18:25 oleonard Hi caroline
18:50 cait oleonard: how many more checkboxes do we have to fix?
18:50 cait hi caroline and hi oleonard too (belatedly)
19:20 oleonard cait: About a dozen pages I think
19:20 cait ok :)