Time Nick Message 23:44 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_D10 build #95: SUCCESS in 37 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_D10/95/ 23:38 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_D9 build #98: UNSTABLE in 56 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_D9/98/ 23:21 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_D11 build #46: SUCCESS in 44 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_D11/46/ 23:14 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_U16 build #81: SUCCESS in 45 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U16/81/ 23:06 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_U20 build #96: SUCCESS in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U20/96/ 22:41 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_U18 build #85: SUCCESS in 53 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U18/85/ 22:36 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_D9_My8 build #88: SUCCESS in 49 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_D9_My8/88/ 22:29 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_D10 build #94: SUCCESS in 44 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_D10/94/ 22:28 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_D9 build #97: SUCCESS in 41 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_D9/97/ 20:30 cait good night ashimema[m] 20:28 ashimema[m] Time for bed for me. Night night 20:25 cait some rebasing checking might also be good 20:24 ashimema[m] So do we need a tagfest for bugzilla before next week then 20:20 cait :) 20:20 caroline yes <3 20:19 cait i love how Koha brings us all together discussing such things 20:19 cait :) 20:17 ashimema[m] Lol 20:17 caroline I just love so much how our language shapes our way of thinking/our culture 20:17 cait ashimema[m]: on yours too actually - I just wanted to explain that my language is crazy :) 20:17 caroline Maybe I can agree that languages are evil for the present case only 20:16 ashimema[m] Lol 20:16 caroline lol! 20:16 cait ok, i take it back, i want to stay on caroline's good side 20:15 * caroline majored in linguistics 20:15 ashimema[m] Mmm 20:15 cait i am not sure 20:15 ashimema[m] That would be very evil 20:15 caroline no!! languages are fun! 20:15 cait languages are evil? 20:15 ashimema[m] I totally see where your coming from now 20:15 caroline ashimema[m]: come on in, one more brain :) 20:14 ashimema[m] OK, it was just an idea.. 20:14 caroline Like "Add to %s" (list) "Add to %s" (cart) 20:14 cait it's good to discuss, more brains, more ideas :) 20:14 cait hm yes 20:14 caroline maybe, or the contextualization 20:13 caroline can get heavy 20:13 cait i wonder if the translation system could help somehow - like we have the plural/singular now... 20:13 caroline that's why I said it would be a lot of work... for each place in the templates where the term appears, you can to multiply the number of if/thens by the number of predefined options... 20:13 cait i just added another note to clarify 20:13 cait because i was thinking about the easier case of account types he mentioned 20:13 cait i might have misunderstood him 20:12 caroline I thought the "variable" was the syspref, si "if syspref = cart, then 'Add to cart', if syspref = book bag, then 'Add to book bag'" etc. 20:11 caroline ok that's what you mean by variable 20:11 cait so possible, but not with just a variable 20:11 caroline that's what I thought ashimema[m] was proposing 20:10 cait add to cart... add to book bag 20:10 cait so if we want variations, we'd have to make every sentence for ever word we add... possible as they are not that many 20:10 cait it would look something like Add to %s 20:09 cait caroline: nope 20:07 caroline I mean, it would be a lot of trouble for something so trivial, but it could be possible 20:06 caroline But if, like ashimema[m] said we have a set of predefined terms, we can translate the sentences according to those workds? 20:05 caroline Only "Add to cart" would cause a problem 20:04 caroline "empty" is an adjective that doesn't change gender, so yay! and polite "your" doesn't either 20:04 caroline But funnily, I just looked through the cart sentences and I think French would be ok 20:03 cait davidnind++ 20:02 caroline LA liste, LE panier... Le liste sounds like a foreigner 20:01 caroline so if ppl were to enter "list" (female) instead of "cart" (male) then the sentences would be really weird 20:00 cait you expressed it much better than me 20:00 caroline but you were right to say that articles and other words (adjectives) change according to the gender of the noun 19:59 cait it's about the only thing i know about french grammar probably :) 19:59 cait lol was about to say tha ttoo 19:59 caroline I only remember that in German moon is male and sun is female because it's the exact opposite of french 19:58 cait both male in German heh 19:58 caroline and here's a song for you to remember all the expections 19:58 caroline cait haha exactly! 19:57 caroline I mean genders for things... who decides that a desk is male and a table female? .lol 19:57 cait well there is this rule... and here is the tons of exceptions for it 19:56 caroline yeah, well all languages are inconsistent! 19:56 cait I envy that it's so easy to use they/them too - there is not really a good way to express that in German 19:56 hayley caroline maybe we have it good in that respect, but english in general is kind of stupidly inconsistent hehe 19:56 cait works = words 19:56 cait long works that can't be broken on multiple lines (Anschaffungsvorschläge regularly is too long for the tabs in OPAC = purchase suggeston just goes on 2 lines) 19:56 caroline I envy the gender-neutral of english 19:55 caroline lol! French too 19:55 cait German is just asking for trouble really 19:55 caroline let me reread the sentences, but I think they's be ok 19:55 cait in the carts = in den Körben, the carts = die Körbe 19:55 cait the word would change in german depending on the "case"... but I am really bad at expalining grammar :( 19:54 cait like your in german changes if the word is male/female/neutral 19:54 cait yeah i meant the words referring to it 19:54 cait but articles? 19:54 caroline cart will always be male in all sentences 19:54 cait gendering... 19:54 caroline but words don't change gender 19:54 cait French does the genering, right? 19:54 aleisha davidnind: that wiki page is amaze! 19:53 caroline I saw 19:53 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26130 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , opacbookbag 'Cart' confuses patrons - add optional name alternatives? 19:53 cait caroline: I don't know french but said things about french on bug 26130 - can you check? :) 19:53 davidnind hayley++ 19:53 hayley our plan is to just host a bug squashing :) 19:52 hayley it's pretty unstructured, tagging more bugs for academy would be useful, go for it with the wiki page davidnind! 19:52 cait oh those time conversion links are really helpful! 19:52 cait it's all good - sorry :) Just keep us virtuals in mind 19:51 davidnind I've added a Kohacon20 programme page to the wiki with links to timeanddate - is this useful? If so will add other days when I get home from work.. https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon20/Programme 19:50 davidnind Would you like me to create a wiki page? Possibly the Kohacon20 team are already working on something... 19:48 caroline I guess we could try to have specific tasks or things that ppl can do 19:48 caroline the DIY was just an idea I threw that we could work together if needed 19:46 cait davidnind: the DIY is not pretty clear at the moment apart from IRC - i will try to be there, but it owuld be good to flesh it out a bit more :) 19:45 davidnind I like the idea as well 19:44 cait and having an automated process to move pushed bugs there... easy to close the ones that don't need doc changes maybe than to add htem all manually? 19:44 cait just read back - i like the idea of gitlab issues 19:37 caroline but read the minutes if you have time and let me know if you have comments on my explanation of the workflow 19:37 caroline :( it was really interesting 19:33 cait oh i missed the meeting :( 19:21 caroline ashimema[m]: your autocorrect seems to have a one track mind lol! 19:17 davidnind Kohacon20 social page (+links to the chat): https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon20/Social 19:09 kathryn LOL 19:08 ashimema[m] Blooming phone.. autocomplete is on form today 19:08 davidnind caroline++ 19:08 ashimema[m] I'm on my phone, can run it in the morning if no-one breasts me to it 19:08 caroline hi kathryn ! 19:08 kathryn kia ora koutou / hi everyone :) 19:08 caroline ashimema[m]: can you run the script? 19:08 marie-luce thanks caroline 19:08 henryb Thanks! Bye everyone! 19:07 caroline thanks everyone! 19:07 huginn Log: https://meetings.koha-community.org/2020/documentation_irc_meeting_15_october_2020.2020-10-15-18.13.log.html 19:07 huginn Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-community.org/2020/documentation_irc_meeting_15_october_2020.2020-10-15-18.13.txt 19:07 huginn Minutes: https://meetings.koha-community.org/2020/documentation_irc_meeting_15_october_2020.2020-10-15-18.13.html 19:07 huginn Meeting ended Thu Oct 15 19:07:44 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 19:07 caroline #endmeeting 19:07 caroline #info Next meeting: 12 November 2020, 18 UTC 19:06 caroline I'm bad with numbers... 19:06 caroline we might be in regular time here so it will be earlier or later... never sure how it goes 19:06 davidnind +1 19:06 henryb +1 19:06 marie-luce +1 19:05 caroline same time good for everyone? 19:05 henryb +1 19:05 marie-luce +1 19:05 davidnind +1 19:05 caroline it's 4 weeks from now 19:05 caroline is november 12 good? 19:04 caroline #topic Set time of next meeting 19:04 henryb nothing from me 19:04 davidnind nothing from me 19:04 caroline anything else to add? 19:03 marie-luce cool 19:03 davidnind cool 19:03 davidnind I'll try my best to at least record, I will add a jitsi meeting but quality will depend a bit on the wifi... 19:02 caroline From what I understood it will be here on IRC for remote ppl 19:02 marie-luce +1 19:02 caroline #link https://2020.kohacon.org/posts/programme/ 19:02 ashimema[m] +1 19:02 caroline there will also be two days of "DIY" where we can work together on docs 19:01 marie-luce it would be nice if someone could record it, I would be happy to watch later 19:01 davidnind #info Kohacon20 documentation workshop - feel free to add your ideas to https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Documentation_Workshop_KohaCon20 19:00 davidnind it is, but I'm maybe going look at recording at least, and an online bit if there is any interest (either live streaming or using jitsi) 19:00 caroline davidnind: I think the docs workshops at kohacon are in-person only, is that right? do you know? 18:59 caroline Check Taiga for new feature to document 18:59 caroline otherwise, priorities are on documenting new features for 20.11 as usual 18:58 davidnind (approval is required to stop spam registrations) 18:58 davidnind I can approve, so will keep an eye out 18:58 caroline same goes for anyone else 18:58 caroline +1 18:57 marie-luce great, I will place my request 18:57 caroline Click log in and click on "request" 18:57 caroline oh, you can request a login 18:57 marie-luce I would like to add my name in Doc team, but I don't have the rights to modify the page 18:56 caroline Also if anyone wants to have a go at docs manager, I'm happy to let someone else have a go! 18:55 caroline please add your name to the docs team! 18:55 caroline #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_21.05 18:55 caroline #info the page for roles for 21.05 is up 18:55 caroline #topic Next steps 18:55 davidnind nothing to add 18:55 caroline Feel free to interrupt me if you have something to add... 18:54 caroline We'll surely be adding to it with the workflow thing 18:54 caroline I don't think there's anything new for this... 18:53 caroline #topic Content development guidelines 18:53 caroline cool! 18:53 davidnind our channel is being used as part of the live streaming, so that will be good 18:52 caroline I'm sure we'll have new content from kohacon next week 18:52 davidnind finally working on getting last year's Kohacon videos added - is easy to split, but have an audio issue I'm trying to fix (not a docs related task though...) 18:52 caroline So please if you have any feedback, let davidnind know with an @later or other means of communcation 18:51 henryb davidnind++ 18:51 caroline davidnind++ 18:51 marie-luce davidnind++ 18:50 caroline very cool! 18:50 caroline #link https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqOmLE1-kt84liiG5233BRQ 18:50 caroline davidnind: tidied up the YouTube channel: added some sections and play lists, tracking down Kohacon videos, feedback welcome 18:49 caroline davidnind had a point here 18:49 caroline #topic What's been done so far 18:49 caroline ok let's move on 18:48 marie-luce great discussion, I can see the picture now! 18:48 davidnind (and less confusing for everyone...) 18:48 caroline anything else to add to this? 18:47 davidnind #action davdnind to document options for docs tasks management including: using bugzilla, using GitLab issues, using Taiga, various other ideas discussed <- aim is to make as easy and as manageable as possible 18:47 caroline woo, we'll be busy bees 18:47 caroline #action caroline will check with ashimema on how to best insert the docs writing into the dev workflow 18:46 davidnind will write something up on the wiki, or in bugzilla and will send around the documentation and dev mailing lists 18:46 caroline and when this is done, I'll check in with ashimema[m] on how to insert ourselves into the dev workflow 18:45 caroline #action davidnind will check how we can use gitlab to simplify the workflow 18:45 davidnind there is some intergration available with bugzilla, I looked at it a while ago and "seemed" relatively easy 18:45 caroline cool! 18:45 davidnind caroline: sure can! 18:45 davidnind GitLab: use issues , import any bugzilla bugs (easier process than adding to taiga), use boards 18:44 caroline how to link with bugzilla etc 18:44 caroline davidnind: can you look into how it would work if we were to use gitlab issues? 18:43 davidnind bugzilla: no new tool to learn, either tag tasks or make a bugzilla doc tasks for topics for a release, link to bugs, non bug-related tasks have own bugzilla task 18:43 ashimema[m] :) 18:43 caroline #action caroline will write out the current worflow (from minutes) 18:43 caroline I will write out neatly what I described here so that we have a trace of the current workflow 18:42 caroline ok so we need to actionize this 18:42 davidnind Options: use bugzilla, use GitLab, continue as currently 18:41 ashimema[m] Indeed 18:41 caroline helps a lot when we try to figure out what something does 18:41 caroline at least a good test plan 18:41 ashimema[m] Fair point 18:40 ashimema[m] I also would love to see docs done by more people.. us Devs are terrible.. we should really give at least a skeleton of documentation for anything we add really.. if we can't then we should get someone in company to help us to 18:40 caroline personally, when I write I like to pick a section and add all the new things in that section, rather than work bug by bug 18:39 ashimema[m] s/girls/gitlab 18:39 ashimema[m] That would mean you have a record in girls of what to be done.. 18:39 ashimema[m] Well.. it would only require one is open.. not necessarily that it's fully finished.. 18:39 caroline maybe it's the way it's organized too... 18:38 ashimema[m] Tiaga is more modern and can handle lots of workflows.. I just wonder how much of it we actually make use of and need... I've tried to get into it on a few occasions and never fully got to grips 18:38 davidnind LOL 18:38 caroline ashimema[m]: oof... nothing will get past QA lol! Do you know how far behind we are? 18:37 caroline it's prettier? 18:37 ashimema[m] We could even broaden it and make it a requirement for enhancements and new features to have a corresponding manual merge request linked in the bug before QA 18:37 wahanui thinking is probably so much easier 18:37 davidnind thinking... 18:37 henryb Does taiga have any advantages over bugzilla - additional features etc? 18:36 caroline I agree that copying everything in taiga is an extra step that could be avoided 18:36 caroline So do we want to simplify it and stay in bugzilla and ditch taiga? 18:35 marie-luce caroline++ 18:35 caroline lol! 18:35 henryb No! just when I thought I understood 18:34 davidnind caroline++ 18:34 caroline but it's not part of the docs workflow 18:34 caroline There is also the wiki... which is a whole nother thing... 18:34 henryb caroline++ 18:34 henryb Yes it does! Thanks for the very patient explanation 18:34 caroline sense 18:34 caroline does that make sene? 18:34 caroline So look in bugzilla (Documentation To-Do) or taiga to find something to write about and write it in gitlab 18:33 caroline that's where you need to do the changes to the manual per se 18:33 caroline Then the final leg of the tripod, Gitlab is where the manual lives 18:32 * ashimema[m] goes quite to let Caroline finish 18:32 caroline So that's taiga... when the bugs are done with their life with the devs in bugzilla, I copy everything in taiga so the docs team can look through 18:32 ashimema[m] I don't want to push changes onto anyone.. but do feel free to reach out if there things that bug you and you think there could be a better way 18:31 davidnind I don't mind taiga, but it is one more thing... 18:31 caroline anyway, I just want to finish answering henryb before we diverge 18:31 ashimema[m] I have the keys to the bugzilla configs.. happy to discus and impliment 18:30 caroline It would certainly save me then step of copying everything in taiga 18:30 davidnind we could do in the issues list in GitLab - easy to import from bugzilla 18:30 marie-luce good points 18:30 caroline Sure, we'd just need to squeeze in an extra step for us 18:29 ashimema[m] I'd be happy to help bridge the developer/docs divide 18:29 caroline That's why I think it's a great discussion to have 18:29 davidnind have never heard caroline talking nonsense :) 18:29 caroline there is no step where we have a list of bugs that need to be added to the manual 18:29 ashimema[m] Indeed.. 18:29 caroline It's sign off, QA, push to master, push to stable, push to old stable, etc and then close 18:28 caroline The reason I've been keeping it separate, and davidnind can interrupt me if im saying nonsense, is that devs have a workflow already established in bugzilla and we are nowhere in that workflow 18:28 ashimema[m] Indeed... But those could be just bugs in BZ again.. for away with the keyword and instead add a linked bug in bz 18:27 caroline Taiga is based on the release notes for each version 18:27 caroline Not corrections, but new stuff 18:27 caroline Taiga is where we write all the "new" things we need to add to the manual 18:26 caroline I'm coming to that, but it could be a great discussion 18:26 ashimema[m] I always wonder why you didn't just do it all through BZ? 18:26 ashimema[m] Dare I ask.. do you actually need tiaga? 18:26 caroline From the main bugzilla page, you can click on Documentation To-Do to see this 18:25 caroline ^ this is the list of such bugs 18:25 caroline #link https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&list_id=347662&namedcmd=Documentation%20To-do&remaction=run&sharer_id=13 18:25 caroline that way, we can at least keep a record of things that need to be corrected and since a lot of people already know bugzilla, it's easy for them to file a new bug 18:24 caroline We ask anybody who sees somthing like that (typo, missing, etc.) to file a bug in bugzilla in the Documentation component 18:24 ashimema[m] But you guys do much more and have a bigger workflow to manage.. I've not kept up 18:23 caroline That's where we point poeple to when they see a typo or notice that something is missing or not explained well 18:23 ashimema[m] I used to just use a search in bugzilla to find the manual keyword.. work on it and then remove the keyword when done.. 18:23 caroline There are also Documentation "bugs" on bugzilla 18:23 caroline it is very useful to get an idea of what a feature is, what it does, the steps of how to use it etc 18:22 ashimema[m] #info Martin Renvoize - PTFS-EUROPE 18:22 caroline That's where the developers work and create new features 18:22 caroline This is how I see it : bugzilla is the source of everything 18:22 marie-luce ++caroline 18:21 henryb But the link you've sent is really helpful! 18:21 caroline that's a good question 18:21 henryb I'm not stuck exactly just not entirely sure how bugzilla, taigo and gitlab all fit together 18:20 caroline Where are you stuck henryb? Maybe we can discuss it and it'll clear it up for more people too 18:20 marie-luce great! Thanks Caroline 18:19 caroline #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Editing_the_Koha_Manual#.3D.3E_New_writers.2C_start_here.21_.3C.3D 18:19 caroline I started a section in the wiki https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Editing_the_Koha_Manual#.3D.3E_New_writers.2C_start_here.21_.3C.3D 18:18 marie-luce Henri, you are not alone. There are so many places to look at 18:18 marie-luce hi David 18:18 henryb Me neither. To be honest I'm still trying to work out the documentation workflow 18:18 davidnind hi marie-luce 18:17 marie-luce #info Marie-Luce Laflamme, inLibro 18:17 caroline no worries we just started 18:17 davidnind No updates from me either on my projects :-( 18:17 marie-luce sorry to be late 18:17 caroline anyone has updates they'd like to share? 18:17 caroline Unfortunately, I'm not giving the best example, I haven't workd on anything manual-wise in the past month 18:16 caroline #topic Project updates 18:16 caroline There were no action points from last meeting so I'll just skip that 18:16 caroline #topic Updates 18:15 caroline cait around? 18:15 henryb #info Henry Bolshaw, House of Lords Library, UK 18:14 davidnind #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand 18:14 caroline #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inLibro 18:13 caroline please use "#info" in front of your introduction to have it show up in the automatic minutes 18:13 caroline #topic Introductions 18:13 huginn Current chairs: caroline davidnind 18:13 caroline #chair davidnind 18:13 caroline #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Documentation_IRC_meeting_15_October_2020 18:13 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'documentation_irc_meeting_15_october_2020' 18:13 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 18:13 huginn Meeting started Thu Oct 15 18:13:14 2020 UTC. The chair is caroline. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:13 caroline #startmeeting Documentation IRC meeting 15 October 2020 18:12 caroline me either just came back from lunch and was catching up on messages/emails 18:12 henryb We call the cart 'folder' but that also confuses people 18:12 davidnind sorry, I was working on something and didn't notice the time 18:12 caroline ok i'll start the meeting then 18:11 henryb I am late but here now 18:11 davidnind I am here.. 18:11 oleonard I don't know if your docs crew is around, I was just curious because my calendar alerted me 18:11 caroline is anyone here for the meeting? 18:10 caroline I always think it's later than it really is 18:10 caroline crap yes 18:10 oleonard caroline is there supposed to be a documentation meeting now? 18:09 caroline That's one reason I remember, others just asked me during training to remove it because it would confuse patrons, but without having tried it, so it's an assumption on their part 18:08 caroline cait: re:cart: one of the reasons I was told is that because we integrate ebooks in the catalog, patrons think they can borrow from there 17:59 wahanui oleonard: bugger all, i dunno 17:59 oleonard wahanui: What is it you're always saying about me? 17:46 cait go ahead :) i am looking at the cancel charges feature, but just starting to get into it, go cook :) 17:46 cait ah ok 17:46 ashimema[m] Just about to cook tea Cait 17:46 ashimema[m] Thinking they can buy things from it 17:46 ashimema[m] But it does confuse people 17:45 ashimema[m] No idea 17:45 cait ashimema[m]: are you still around? 17:43 cait what do people expect when seeing it? 17:43 cait you can use it to place holds... 17:42 ashimema[m] The cart is confusing in the UK .. we nearly always rename it 17:40 cait ah caroline - i put a manual keyword on 24603 because ashimema[m] wrote a nice explanation about the different credit types there 17:26 * cait can't count how often we broke that already 17:25 cait hm the payment table is off by one in the total line again 17:19 cait hm, maybe it was me, the update statements look right 17:17 cait Joubu: i got no update message from 50 to 51 17:15 * cait was expecting to find the QA queue empty on returning... 16:56 * cait imagines cute cart icons :) 16:56 cait would "book cart" work better? 16:55 cait hm in German we don't get asked to rename it often, but i think because German uses a slightly different term for the cart in e-commerce settings 16:47 oleonard I suspect the confusion about the cart is different whether your library offers self checkout or not. 16:44 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_U16 build #3: STILL FAILING in 53 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_U16/3/ 16:42 caroline I don't know when the feature was added nor what was it's initial purpose, but I think with the internet evolving and people doing a lot more online (doing things online in general, and also shopping online) "cart" has come to mean something specific 16:39 oleonard Imagine how controversial it was when you couldn't do any batch operations from the cart... 16:39 caroline oof, the cart seems controversial lol! 16:37 caroline I'll try to have him propose it to the community 16:36 caroline he's also working on a "grid view" of the search results, it's going to be really pretty 16:35 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26130 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , opacbookbag 'Cart' confuses patrons - add optional name alternatives? 16:35 oleonard Bug 26130 16:33 caroline Here's one that he did http://rinalasnier-test.hapax.inlibro.net/ 16:33 caroline I think some of our clients have a different icon 16:33 caroline no, but My boss does 16:32 oleonard caroline do you know how to use css to change the icon? 16:31 caroline we don't have separate word for cart and basket 16:30 caroline it's called basket in French :) 16:30 oleonard caroline: When the feature was originally added to Koha it was called the "basket" and everyone was confused by that as well. 16:30 caroline I think it's a good idea, looks more like the baskets we use in libraries 16:29 caroline oleonard: my boss gave the idea to change the cart icon to something like https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcSErda3KpsV3Xv32GP-YDOYoqxi77RcBBTcmA&usqp=CAU 16:28 caroline Does anyone else have complaints from libraries about the "cart"? I've had a couple of libraries ask me how to remove it because patrons were confused (they thought it was either to borrow ebooks, put it in the cart, borrow everything at the end; or to place holds) 15:59 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D10 build #375: SUCCESS in 40 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10/375/ 15:59 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest build #413: FIXED in 48 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest/413/ 15:59 wahanui Congratulations! 15:59 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 15:51 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1457: SUCCESS in 1 hr 1 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/1457/ 15:45 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D10_Deps build #99: FIXED in 46 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10_Deps/99/ 15:45 wahanui Congratulations! 15:45 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 15:22 tuxayo o/ 15:19 liliputech_asu dropping off for tonight... :) 15:18 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U20 build #120: STILL UNSTABLE in 42 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U20/120/ 15:18 liliputech_asu tuxayo: sure, feel free to, not stepping on toes, definitly very VERY welcomed :) 15:17 tuxayo Anyway good to know I won't step on your tows. I'll tell you in the bug if I have something. 15:16 tuxayo I would gladly let it rot but I can't forget that :P 15:16 liliputech_asu ^^ 15:16 tuxayo *grave 15:16 liliputech_asu no plan 15:16 liliputech_asu yeark 15:15 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21507 major, P5 - low, ---, arthur.suzuki, ASSIGNED , Decimal separators issues in patrons payments/fines, simplified 15:15 tuxayo liliputech_asu: do you have immediate plans and resources for the infamous bug 21507 ? Or can I try to dig it out of the 15:15 liliputech_asu you sent me a ping a bit earlier? what was that4? same issue? (or just noticing i'm around, which i admit have been quite rare lately ><) 15:14 liliputech_asu ur welcome :) 15:13 tuxayo liliputech_asu: thanks, it was indeed reset_all that was missing. 15:13 liliputech_asu tuxayo: called me? :) 15:12 liliputech_asu tuxayo: reset_all 15:10 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9_My8 build #438: SUCCESS in 55 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_My8/438/ 15:05 reiveune bye 14:59 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U2010 build #27: SUCCESS in 46 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U2010/27/ 14:59 henryb tuxayo++ for asking this question. I also did not know how to do this! 14:58 caroline tcohen++ 14:57 tuxayo Thanks both for your help, now I'll finally get to try the installer! :D 14:56 tuxayo ahhh 14:56 tcohen restart_all 14:56 tuxayo Great, that's actually what I tried. Both the staff interface and OPAC homepages are in error now. 14:54 caroline I usually delete my db 14:54 tcohen echo "DROP DATABASE koha_kohadev; CREATE DATABASE koha_kohadev;" | koha-mysql kohadev 14:53 tuxayo (after 3 years it's about time to know that) 14:53 tuxayo Does anyone know how use trigger the koha installer? I'm only using Koha in koha-testing-docker which by uses an already installed DB. 14:49 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #919: FIXED in 59 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/919/ 14:49 wahanui Congratulations! 14:49 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 14:48 ashimema[m] your solution was exactly what I did 14:46 cait I am going outside for a bit :) will be back to continue later 14:45 cait do you want to check? 14:45 ashimema[m] I've already done it once on my branch 14:45 ashimema[m] I thought I uploaded that rebase.. 14:45 cait tuxayo: it would make sense, i didn#t dig that deep, only read the highlights 14:45 ashimema[m] correct 14:44 ashimema[m] yup 14:44 cait do you agree with the merge suggestion? 14:44 cait http://paste.koha-community.org/25759 14:44 cait ashimema[m]: don't kill me, but there is a little conflict on the session bug 14:43 tuxayo So it's really that? A hold without an usable item? Sounds accurate. 14:42 ashimema[m] mm 14:42 tuxayo indeed 14:42 cait tuxayo: i just liked the term of hopeless holds 14:41 tuxayo liliputech_asu around? 14:39 tuxayo tcohen: yep ^^ 14:36 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D11 build #113: FIXED in 42 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11/113/ 14:36 wahanui Congratulations! 14:36 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 14:36 tcohen tuxayo you mean the jenkins upgrade? 14:21 tuxayo this? «holds on bibliographic records that no longer have any viable copies» 14:19 * cait reads the evergreen release notes and stumbles on 'hopeless holds' features 14:14 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U16 build #88: FAILURE in 2 min 35 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U16/88/ 14:12 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D10 build #374: FIXED in 48 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10/374/ 14:12 wahanui Congratulations! 14:12 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 14:12 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest build #412: STILL UNSTABLE in 49 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest/412/ 14:00 cait khall++ kidclamp++ 13:53 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D10_Deps build #98: STILL UNSTABLE in 40 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10_Deps/98/ 13:50 tuxayo The UI of the CI changed :o 13:49 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1456: FIXED in 58 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/1456/ 13:49 wahanui Congratulations! 13:49 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 13:30 Joubu (will need to be backported) 13:29 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=23355 new feature, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Pushed to master , Add a 'cashup' process to accounts 13:29 Joubu on bug 23355 instead 13:29 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26172 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Passed QA , Add a cashup summary view (with option to print) 13:29 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26690 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Constraints for cash management tables need reconsidering 13:29 Joubu ashimema[m]: I don't think bug 26690 must depend on bug 26172 13:28 Joubu thx! 13:27 oleonard Yes 13:27 Joubu I just wanted to know if you will deal with it :) 13:27 Joubu yes 13:27 oleonard I haven't looked yet because I think it belongs on another bug 13:26 Joubu oleonard: 26439 - seen the problem at the OPAC as well? 13:25 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 26515: Unit tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2d4d50ab290878a5aafef90470f5a5d977d689d7> 13:25 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 26515: Add Koha::Acquisition::Order->cancel <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a9de5bd0eef958291a9a51cca2de9aa49a248b77> 13:25 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 26555: Add Koha::Object::Message <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=aa69ef69722af8c9a2b9afd780b8f1ff68c32a9b> 13:25 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 26555: Add ->messages and ->add_message to Koha::Object <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d576f887c1a0451d45eb0cda055f974916f011c7> 13:25 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 26555: Make sure _messages is always initialized <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1557bf0100f4bf67cf0d98a181a04a2e49b906cd> 13:25 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 26515: (follow-up) Do not count self when checking orders <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=be95bc913740d97562f954a8744fc670483db7ec> 13:25 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 26577: Make basket.pl and cancelorder.pl use ->cancel <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=870ef9e2d9046914e198d7c03fa64b4b89de3b41> 13:25 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 26579: Remove unused C4::Acquisition::DelOrder function <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=23fd3de316bbd94c691dd3941d31aff84177c389> 13:25 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 26580: Remove unused C4::Acquisition::DelBasket function <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8e70a863dd22e3a48c115b43852adda608efd3f7> 13:25 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 26515: Remove branchcode from mock_userenv <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7941b4b039b3a31a56f9a4bf9d709c546534434e> 13:25 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 26515: Better feedback on errors <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6f940b5fe90518112db612d7e19aa1419a6ef84e> 13:25 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 26555: (QA follow-up) Add a 'payload' attribute for carrying useful things <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8f815e748feba1c44ccf8733b6a01642c56f4eec> 13:25 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 26515: (QA follow-up) Preserve original behaviour <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=14820607c43b6e760ba2edadfb14436f2685a1fe> 13:25 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 26515: Don't need to call safe_to_delete <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7d20cafc4f8472fb07ba9ffa8f2a9432bf5847f4> 13:23 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U2010 build #26: SUCCESS in 48 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U2010/26/ 13:22 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U20 build #119: STILL UNSTABLE in 47 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U20/119/ 13:16 tuxayo o/ lukeG 13:16 wahanui hey, lukeG 13:16 lukeG hi 13:13 tcohen I love tests :-D 13:12 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9_My8 build #437: SUCCESS in 47 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_My8/437/ 13:11 tcohen let me check 13:11 tcohen you're breaking it haha 13:11 Joubu guess it's my change 13:10 tcohen WTF? 13:10 Joubu hey tcohen, it's failing! :D 13:10 tcohen :-D ⤠13:09 Joubu hey tcohen, it's tested <3 13:09 tcohen ok 13:09 tcohen Koha/Acquisition/Order.t 13:09 Joubu I was in t/db_dependent/Acquisition.t 13:08 tcohen its 12 tests I think 13:08 tcohen covers this 13:08 tcohen the last test I add 13:08 tcohen it is tested 13:08 tcohen I think I used delete_items.pl as a sample 13:08 Joubu tcohen: this is not tested! 13:07 tcohen yes, I agree hehe 13:07 tcohen ah 13:07 Joubu tcohen: we can still provide the return value 13:06 Joubu http://paste.koha-community.org/25758 13:06 Joubu igual 13:04 tcohen so we can provide better feedback 13:04 tcohen Joubu well, that was my original implementation, but I decided to add the return value from safe_to_delete on the message payload 13:04 simon_ ok thx 13:03 Joubu tcohen: http://paste.koha-community.org/25757 agree with that? 13:01 Joubu nope, this file is not used by ES (and is actually removed in new versions) 13:00 simon_ do i have to adjust /etc/koha/searchengine/queryparser.yaml ? 13:00 simon_ ok, now it is indexing once again after i configured it via the webinterface 13:00 * ashimema[m] has a vague recollection of talking about that.. but can't remember the details 12:59 ashimema[m] can you not do it via the yaml files and then use the script to load them? 12:55 simon_ ok, will do :) 12:55 Joubu simon_: I'd try to add the entry manually in the DB table 12:55 Joubu alex_a: I was searching for 20388 :) 12:54 Joubu simon_: so, no, you cannot 12:54 wahanui hmmm... Joubu is kidding, right ;) 12:54 alex_a Joubu ? 12:54 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20388 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, alex.arnaud, BLOCKED , Elasticsearch - Ability to add search fields from UI 12:54 Joubu bug 20388 12:54 Joubu found it 12:53 Joubu alex_a: maybe? 12:52 cait bbiab 12:52 cait it doesn't look like we can now (just checked too) 12:52 Joubu or is there a patch somewhere for that? 12:52 Joubu kidclamp: were not we able to created new ES search fields? 12:52 Joubu thanks for the feedback 12:52 Joubu eythian: yes, we basically keep -common to not break people's workflow/habits :) 12:51 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U16 build #87: UNSTABLE in 56 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U16/87/ 12:50 eythian Joubu: without thinking about it too deeply, I kinda like option 5, you could move the code into -core and allow -common to be all the standard package config stuff with deps. This makes transition fairly easy. The naming of -common then isn't quite right, but you could change that over time if desired. 12:50 simon_ i can only select searchfield names from a predefined list/dropdown 12:49 simon_ then i have to do it in the database? 12:49 simon_ but i cannot add a new searchfield name there, right? 12:49 simon_ ah 12:48 Joubu (the DB is used, the yaml is only the default values used when you reset them from the UI) 12:47 Joubu /cgi-bin/koha/admin/searchengine/elasticsearch/mappings.pl 12:47 Joubu admin > search engine mapping something 12:47 Joubu use the UI view instead 12:47 simon_ i ran the indexer again: rebuild_elasticsearch.pl 12:47 simon_ i added a new mapping to /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/admin/searchengine/elasticsearch/mappings.yaml 12:46 simon_ so far i did the following: 12:46 simon_ now i am not quite sure how to replicate with elasticsearch 12:46 simon_ in zebra 12:46 simon_ i used https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/How_to_add_new_zebra_index to add a new index 12:46 simon_ i got a follow up question after switching to elastic search 12:46 * cait waves 12:45 simon_ hi everyone 12:42 oleonard It sounds correct based on your description. 12:42 Joubu oleonard: happy to get feedback on this patch, no idea if it correctly fixes the problem 12:39 fridolin VIM++ 12:38 fridolin Joubu++ 12:37 magnuse huh, i run koha-gitify on a site, restart apache and everything is 403? 12:36 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26445 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Search results browser in staff has broken link back to results 12:36 oleonard Joubu++ # Thanks for working on Bug 26445 12:36 * cait is with oleonard 12:36 * magnuse goes searching for that cool editor called sit 12:35 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D11 build #112: UNSTABLE in 47 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11/112/ 12:35 * oleonard loves to sit 12:35 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #918: UNSTABLE in 48 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/918/ 12:34 * tcohen loves it 12:34 tcohen and also 12:33 * tcohen love sit 12:33 tcohen long life to Vim 12:33 tcohen \o 12:33 tuxayo o/ 12:33 cait hi tuxayo :) 12:32 tuxayo hi #koha BTW 12:32 tuxayo Rise up vim gang! 12:31 rhamby I use vim too :) 12:29 Joubu fridolin: https://gitlab.com/koha-community/qa-test-tools/-/issues/40 here you go 12:28 ashimema[m] hey.. I do :P 12:26 tcohen nobody uses vim anyway :-P 12:25 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D10 build #373: STILL UNSTABLE in 40 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10/373/ 12:09 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 25460: Remove swp file <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=35a3b9e6b9288558a708f97ae190f96e8bbac8d1> 12:08 Joubu yes, I am on it already ;) 12:07 fridolin ? 12:06 fridolin maybe create a QA test searching for .swp files 11:59 Joubu fridolin: erk 11:58 fridolin dirty ^^ 11:58 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 25898: Fix new occurrences <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f8b80abbd0890de3da2a570422b240f24cbb9c30> 11:58 fridolin git show --oneline ac1a8adba2 --name-only 11:57 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25460 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, alexbuckley, Pushed to master , Allow using item information in OAI set mappings and automatically update sets when items are added, edited or deleted 11:57 fridolin see Bug 25460: Update OAI sets when adding/editing/deleting item records commit 11:57 fridolin Joubu: howww master contains a temp file "installer/data/mysql/.updatedatabase.pl.swp" 11:54 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D10_Deps build #97: UNSTABLE in 54 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10_Deps/97/ 11:47 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U20 build #118: UNSTABLE in 48 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U20/118/ 11:46 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest build #411: UNSTABLE in 48 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest/411/ 11:44 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1455: UNSTABLE in 45 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/1455/ 11:30 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11299 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nick, Signed Off , Add a button to automatically link authority records in cataloguing (AJAX) 11:30 magnuse bug 11299 11:27 cait please? 11:27 cait could you have another look at 11299 11:27 cait you got summoned? :) 11:27 kidclamp hi cait 11:25 cait hi kidclamp 11:25 cait i might just give this a test run 11:25 cait ... but we already do. 11:24 * kidclamp waves 11:22 cait hm or maybe it does... but then we need to allow the aqbudgetperiod_id to be set to NULL and I dont think we should 11:21 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15329 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Show budget in addition to fund for late orders in acquisition 11:21 cait and it blocks bug 15329 that i'd really love to have in 11:20 cait I think Augustin's approach won't work (have commented) as there is possible more data linked to an orphaned fund... 11:20 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18050 minor, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Signed Off , Missing constraint on aqbudgets.budget_period_id in aqbudgets 11:20 cait Joubu: any idea about how to move on with bug 18050? 11:12 cait see pm :) 11:11 khall lol ;) 11:10 cait oh, now i am not prepared heh 11:10 khall sure! 11:10 cait can i wrangle some QA out of you? :) 11:10 khall mornin cait ! 11:09 wahanui somebody said hi khall was my consciousness present in this realm? 11:09 cait hi khall 11:01 cait tcohen++ reset_all is working again too 11:01 cait :) 11:01 oleonard FWIW I think it looks good 11:00 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26534 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Pushed to master , Add Font Awesome icon to help identify staff patrons 11:00 oleonard I guess I'm back a little late to comment on Bug 26534 :D 10:57 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 25460: Update OAI sets when adding/editing/deleting item records <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ac1a8adba2bc91b7475b958c75daea98187c422b> 10:57 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 25898: Prohibit indirect object notation <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=96cc447045f3f1d3702a3c69b36f596d88f38eda> 10:57 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 25460: Add unit test for change to C4::OAI::Sets->UpdateOAISetsBiblio() <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e7230327130205825cea2cb64c322c3754b1948a> 10:57 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 18170: Show damaged status in table of checkins <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4c1218af6445c384483f543c3291e0dc508665b6> 10:57 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 26534: Add Font Awesome icon only for staff patrons <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=26c717fcd4b2031a8ddb0a06209bd29c18dbd3fe> 10:57 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 26534: (QA follow-up) Fix CSS declaration <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b5307bb6cbd9320f31d538dee27a12604c8344b3> 10:57 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 26534: (follow-up) Only center when using patronimages <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=eea2699fd297172bd7f2975015a035a9d23cfcfa> 10:57 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 26534: Replace 'grade' by 'is-patron' and 'patron-type' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c1f0aa1e59948ba7c7bedf657e8b798d1fd95ed2> 10:57 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 26534: Use IF ELSE directly on h5 opening tag <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3e2b6b929923e5e616d2520bb34f0f0838cd82d3> 10:57 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 18170: Use GetDescriptionByKohaField <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=819a33a7a417706c4a570f7b10c5b65156920df1> 10:57 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 26643: (QA follow-up) Fix typo in message <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=46197752aad9909cc8f851b60ad44aec3a1ba71a> 10:57 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 25460: (QA follow-up) Readd ending punctuation to sys pref description <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ebbdfe3c11d3fdca3950720e4b50edc2fe6f9ca6> 10:57 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 25460: (QA follow-up) Remove stray quote from system preference description <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b5bcc51170ad8f5f8311e5223d3634db78ba0303> 10:57 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 26617: Update INSTALL file to include koha-testing-docker and Gitlab links <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d1825a1fd8bad6c5aab77596301a0e08cef7d48f> 10:57 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 26621: Adjust .mailmap to reduce the number of invalid authors <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=122a2c58ff61c831b9de633ed01a6986fabaa7b0> 10:57 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 26621: Adjust docs/contributors.yaml accordingly <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7972be4b97536f1c8540baa2554da111ca6b0efd> 10:57 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 25898: (follow-up) POD <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=37540532b18f84fc33a7831bc3a350d811adc1a9> 10:57 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 26643: Notify librarian of completed transfers <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=bbd86d7a3043c6b39faba8c4cd1eaf91635d22b7> 10:57 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 26534: Compiled CSS <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6d22c12a925f5f1e1fefa74b49edb1b6a5ce880a> 10:57 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 25460: DBRev 20.06.00.052 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=dd05abf911b89d7adbc44c7b9299dd22be1ef35b> 10:45 cait knock on wood... the little thingies are dangerous 10:44 cait reset_all probably after that... this one has some massive db changes 10:44 tcohen FYI I'll be doing QA today and tomorrow, once I finish this little thingy 10:44 tcohen glad to hear that cait 10:44 cait tcohen: running dbic right now and being happy 10:22 cait morning tcohen 10:22 tcohen morning 10:07 ashimema[m] now I look at it, I feel like there's a few issues with constraints on these 10:07 ashimema[m] okies 10:05 Joubu nope, on a separate bug report please 10:00 ashimema[m] OK with me doing that and providing a followup now? 10:00 ashimema[m] as you say.. it's not directly related to this bug.. but worthwhile fixing here whilst we spot it 09:59 ashimema[m] thanks 09:59 ashimema[m] very good catch there mate 09:59 ashimema[m] I agree 09:59 Joubu I don't know what's the expected behaviour, ashimema[m]. But it sounds wrong to remove the register's actions alongwith the patron 09:59 liliputech_asu hi koha :) 09:58 ashimema[m] have a feeling my brain wasn't awake when I added that accessor 09:57 * ashimema[m] reminds himself how all this works.. it sounds like your right 09:57 ashimema[m] hmm 09:57 ashimema[m] the ON DELETE CASCADES 09:56 Joubu penultimate actually 09:56 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26172 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Passed QA , Add a cashup summary view (with option to print) 09:56 Joubu ashimema[m]: see last comment on bug 26172 please 09:54 cait ok, thx! 09:48 magnuse cait: i think that problem has to be solved in the backend (that i wrote), yes. but i have not looked properly at it yet 09:43 huginn cait: khall was last seen in #koha 3 weeks, 1 day, 21 hours, 43 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <khall> matts thanks! 09:43 cait @seen khall 09:43 huginn cait: kidclamp was last seen in #koha 1 week, 0 days, 17 hours, 31 minutes, and 49 seconds ago: <kidclamp> I did wonder which would be more efficient 09:43 cait @seen kidclamp 09:36 cait magnuse: around? 09:36 cait hm bug report on ill backend... invalid? 09:35 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 09:35 Joubu @later tell oleonard what about bug 26534 comment 44? 09:22 ashimema[m] lucky 09:18 Joubu I will be off tomorrow, so today is like a Friday to me :) 09:17 ashimema[m] wishful thinking there Joubu 09:17 ashimema[m] hehe 09:16 Joubu it's not Friday :D 09:16 Joubu lol 09:15 * cait also sends cookies to tcohen 09:14 cait ashimema[m]: try to come back to a simple solution, odn't dig yourself in too much *sends cookies* 09:14 cait Joubu: i think it's way too late for him by now 09:14 ashimema[m] that one bug is a bloody pain 09:14 Joubu It's Friday, notices will haunt you the full weekend if you are starting digging this area :D 09:14 ashimema[m] right now the notices are plain confusing for it 09:14 cait please not all on that one bug :) 09:14 ashimema[m] indeed 09:14 cait but not sure libraries want to maintain too many notices - the debit/credit types can get a little confusing 09:13 ashimema[m] may alos move the Point of Sale on into it.. as they're so closely related really 09:13 Joubu jonrog: sorry, I have no idea then. Maybe you could report the issue on our bug tracker? 09:13 cait accounts would make sense to me 09:13 ashimema[m] I'm thinking 'accounts' as we have a precident now for various accounts things living in such an area 09:13 ashimema[m] deffo 09:12 cait to pick values from 09:12 cait also allows you to define which tables will show 09:12 cait it might be nice to add a new module for them instad of having them all in circulation 09:12 cait oh wahanui 09:12 ashimema[m] so I could easily enough setup a way to adding different notices for each credit/debit type code 09:12 wahanui okay, cait. 09:12 cait and i think there is also a patorn mailer plugin using notices somewhow that bywater uses 09:11 ashimema[m] that's very interesting 09:11 cait similar to the claim emails, you cna pick the one you want to use from a pull down created using the module when claiming 09:11 ashimema[m] thanks 09:11 cait for subscriptions you can set the alert email in each subscription from a pull down, also the module is used to limit the list 09:10 ashimema[m] cool 09:10 ashimema[m] interseting 09:10 ashimema[m] interesting.. where do you set the relation between the thing that triggers the send and the notice code 09:10 cait well for overdue letters you can have as many as you like, it only has to have the circulation module and you define what to use when in the ontice triggers 09:10 cait serial claims, acq claims 09:10 ashimema[m] ooh.. how does that work? 09:09 cait there are several notices that have no fixed codes but can be configured elsewhere 09:09 jonrog Joubu: Thats literally all i get from the error message 09:09 cait patron ontification on serials is not fixed 09:09 cait for example is not fixed 09:09 cait odue 09:08 ashimema[m] I thought the codes were fixed as notices are all internal.. or am I missing a functionality somewhere? 09:08 ashimema[m] what would it be used for? 09:08 ashimema[m] silly question.. why can you currently add a new notice with any code you like... 09:07 cait good morning 09:07 ashimema[m] morning cait 09:07 * ashimema[m] tries to understand notices.. 08:56 * cait waves 08:38 Joubu search for another DBD error 08:38 Joubu :) 08:38 Joubu and before? 08:32 jonrog So i guess the script is handling the data wrong in some way? 08:31 jonrog Joubu: It says before the error message "Use of uninitialized value in join or string at /usr/share/perl5/MARC/Field.pm line 696." and after "Broken FK constraint" 08:29 Joubu so maybe there is another error before this one? 08:29 Joubu Hi jonrog, technically it means that the an insert into biblio_metadata fails because there is no entry into the biblio table 08:28 jonrog Some items are getting imported but then that happens and the import-module crashes 08:27 jonrog Does anyone know what the problem might be and how to fix it? 08:27 jonrog DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Cannot add or update a child row: a foreign key constraint fails (`koha_koha`.`biblio_metadata`, CONSTRAINT `record_metadata_fk_1` FOREIGN KEY (`biblionumber`) REFERENCES `biblio` (`biblionumber`) ON DELETE CASCADE ON UPDATE CASCADE) [for Statement "INSERT INTO `biblio_metadata` ( `format`, `marcflavour`, `metadata`) VALUES ( ?, ?, ? )" 08:27 jonrog Hello! Recently we've started to get problems while trying to import ILL-requests. The error message says: 07:46 magnuse \o/ 07:21 Joubu and keep koha-common for compatibility 07:21 Joubu tld; having a koha-lite, koha-full and koha-core package 07:20 Joubu eythian: me again :) Could we get your opinion (as former pkg manager) on that move: https://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2020-October/046061.html 06:51 wahanui hi, alex_a 06:51 alex_a Bonjour 06:48 ashimema[m] Good morning everyone 06:48 ashimema[m] It's a sledgehammer approach.. but as it's docker I tend to use it fairly often rather than digging more deeply.. for Dev a sledgehammer isn't too bad 06:45 severine_q Morning #Koha ! 06:41 reiveune hello 06:37 TimothyAlexis Thank you 06:37 TimothyAlexis ashimema++ 06:31 TimothyAlexis :) 06:30 ashimema[m] That should clean out all images and then pull fresh.. that one also had a bunch of fixes yesterday 06:29 ashimema[m] Then ku again 06:29 ashimema[m] docket system prune -af 06:29 ashimema[m] Oh.. your in koha-testing-docker 06:29 TimothyAlexis And still get this 06:28 TimothyAlexis I've completely replaced koha-testing-docker and koha 06:28 ashimema[m] Also.. have you considered koha-testing-docker... It's more widely used and thus well supported these days. 06:28 ashimema[m] You may want to pull the latest and restart it 06:28 ashimema[m] Kohadevbox received some maintenance to fix a few bugs yesterday TimothyAlexis 06:27 TimothyAlexis koha_koha_1 exited with code 1 06:27 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9949 is not accessible. 06:27 ashimema[m] Bug 9949 dcook 06:27 TimothyAlexis .. 06:27 TimothyAlexis koha_1 | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /kohadevbox/koha/Koha/Email.pm line 29. 06:27 TimothyAlexis .. 06:26 TimothyAlexis koha_1 | Base class package "Email::Stuffer" is empty 06:26 TimothyAlexis Today when I do ku I get this: 06:25 ashimema[m] I've tried resurrecting it a few times.. wouldn't mind someone else having a go 06:25 ashimema[m] Source files layout.. there's a bug to improve that great dcook.. I think rangi wrote it.. may be in the security area 05:15 mtj hmm, looks like only the kindle fire is supported, so a workaround is to use adode digital-editions to manually transfer to the device 05:11 mtj ..a bit offtopic, anyone used bolinda borrowbox with a kindle paperwhite-4 (asking for a friend) 05:09 mtj no probs, i can 05:08 dcook Don't think I made a patch for that in the end.. 05:08 dcook Thanks :) 05:08 mtj dcook: re: libnet-stomp-perl, i think you are correct 02:21 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D11 build #111: FIXED in 48 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11/111/ 02:21 wahanui Congratulations! 02:21 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 02:19 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D10_Deps build #96: FIXED in 46 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10_Deps/96/ 02:19 wahanui Congratulations! 02:19 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 02:16 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U16 build #86: SUCCESS in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U16/86/ 02:03 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26685 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Move Starman out of debian/control.in and into cpanfile 02:03 dcook bug 26685 02:01 dcook Although totally going to go eat lunch in like 5 minutes.. 02:01 dcook no rest for the wicked O_O 02:01 dcook I'm going to open a new bug to move Starman into cpanfile as well 02:01 dcook It should be handled by debian/list-deps? 02:01 dcook Also, libnet-stomp-perl shouldn't be in debian/control.in, right? 02:00 dcook And "yaz" looks like it's really more of a sysadmin tool than a tool Koha needs 02:00 dcook I don't think Koha even uses "at" 02:00 dcook Yeah, at first I thought that wasn't so bad, but now I see more things to pare away 01:59 mtj as joubu sais, there are a few problems with option 4, as koha-core will inherit all the deps of koha-common 01:59 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26672 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, NEW , Create metapackage to install Koha and all its dependencies 01:59 dcook bug 26672 01:58 dcook We even overuse mysql-client imho.. 01:57 dcook I'm tempted to write replacements for pwgen, unzip, and xmlstarlet... 01:56 dcook Although the more I look at it, the more I see everything as extra stuff... heh 01:55 dcook That's basically what I'm doing right now 01:55 dcook Oooo 01:55 mtj there was an option 5 too... koha-core becomes a new package, thats basically koha-common without the 'extra' stuff 01:54 dcook Hungry for lunch though so maybe I'm just delusional 01:54 dcook I'm hacking up a storm about it right now lol 01:54 dcook No worries 01:53 mtj dcook: thanks for the package email to the list yesterday 01:53 mtj hey #koha 00:25 * oleonard melts back into the fog 00:24 dcook Yeah thinking it might just never work.. 00:23 dcook Hmm now to figure out whether my patch broke the z3950 or if it ever worked in this context.. 00:21 dcook I thought it was just because they had cooler outfits 00:21 dcook Ooooh. I wondered why I always liked the bad guys in movies 00:21 dcook Now how to test this bloody koha-z3950-responder... 00:21 oleonard Of course I'm the bad guy. We live in the evil mirror universe. 00:19 dcook Usually the person tying up the loose ends is a bad guy.. 00:19 dcook Wait.. 00:18 * dcook pictures oleonard as an action movie hero now 00:18 dcook loose ends, eh.. 00:18 cait what timeis it for you? 00:18 oleonard Yeah, hopping on the computer to tie up some loose ends from work today 00:17 dcook Still early! 00:17 cait unusual time to see you :) 00:17 wahanui hi oleopard 00:17 cait hi oleonard 00:15 * dcook thinks every new bug report on Bugzilla might be from dcook.. 00:15 oleonard Thanks wahanui that comment is perpetually accurate! 00:14 wahanui oleonard is seeing some buggy stuff though 00:14 dcook hey oleonard 00:14 dcook heh 00:06 * oleonard waves 00:04 cait pick your battles wisely 00:03 * dcook wishes he had infinite time >_> 00:00 dcook Or even improve it really.. 00:00 dcook Not worth the effort of trying to fix it now