Time  Nick          Message
20:10 kathryn       hi davidnind, hi cait :)
20:08 * cait        waves
20:05 davidnind     hi kathryn!
19:57 kathryn       kia ora :)
19:50 ivandz        after the reindex I see a name of index that does not equal 'biblios'
19:48 cait          I think i might be the wrong person for this one
19:48 ivandz        cait, $Koha::SearchEngine::Elasticsearch::BIBLIOS_INDEX = 'biblios'
19:47 ivandz        cait, _do_reindex($callback, $Koha::SearchEngine::Elasticsearch::BIBLIOS_INDEX); Does the actual reindexing. $callback is a function that always returns the next record.
19:45 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25941 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Reindent Upload local cover image page
19:45 cait          oleonard: can you take a look at bug 25941? missing the first patch
19:45 cait          ivandz: I am sorry, I am not sure still what you are trying to do
19:44 ivandz        why?
19:44 ivandz        koha_same_text_biblios
19:44 ivandz        but name of index isn't biblios
19:44 wahanui       somebody said indexing was only for bib records and items
19:44 ivandz        indexing
19:43 cait          ivandz: what are you trying to do?
19:42 ivandz        Readonly our $ AUTHORITIES_INDEX => 'authorities';
19:42 ivandz        Readonly our $ BIBLIOS_INDEX => 'biblios';
19:42 ivandz        Why do I see one variable when creating an index, but after creating the index name is different? Thank.
19:40 ivandz        hi all
19:05 tcohen        return data structure, specifically
19:05 tcohen        ashimema[m] do you have ideas on how a bulk processing route could behave?
19:03 * oleonard    gave up
17:09 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7703 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Failed QA , Don't block bulk hold action on search results if some items can't be placed on hold
17:09 oleonard      I guess so. I got mad that Bug 7703 still exists so I'm taking another crack at it.
16:13 cait          oleonard-away: because you are an optimist? :)
15:58 ashimema[m]   hahahahha
15:51 oleonard      Why did I think I could make a nice quick change to request.pl
15:38 reiveune      bye
15:22 ashimema[m]   usually means you've forgotten to run the dbic schema build
15:12 oleonard      Could I have a data inconsistency which would cause this error from the data inconsistency check script? Can't call method "get_column" on an undefined value at search_for_data_inconsistencies.pl line 157.
14:29 cait          at the moment i am at edit basket, remove standing, close basket and cancel last open order... but not sure if that's the best way
14:29 cait          lukeG: you missed it i think, but i was wondering what yu recomment for closing a standing order
14:27 lukeG         I will remove the syspref with a follow-up
14:27 cait          ok :)
14:27 lukeG         Yes
14:27 cait          does it make sense to you?
14:26 lukeG         Got it! Thanks
14:26 cait          i think it could go on the same bug
14:26 cait          otherwise i think the prefs will be in conflict and that could be confusing
14:26 lukeG         cait: Should I remove it with a follow-up to Bug 23420, or as a new seperate bug?
14:26 cait          sorry if it was not clear
14:26 cait          we can use the current setting for setting the UnwantedFields and then delet eit
14:25 cait          no, I think we should remove and replace with yoru new feature
14:25 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=23420 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, lucas, Failed QA , Add "SuggestionsUnwantedFields" to hide fields from the suggestions form
14:25 lukeG         ?
14:25 lukeG         Hi cait! If we get Bug 23420 in is there even any need to still have the sys pref AllowPurchaseSuggestionBranchChoice
14:24 cait          yes
14:24 lukeG         cait here?
14:23 lukeG         morning Koha!
14:21 cait          hm i just got a question about "how to close/stop a standing order" - i'd say reopen, remove standing order and cancel open order... but is that th eright way?
14:19 cait          henryb++ :)
14:17 oleonard      henryb++
13:18 lmstrand      ok
13:17 tcohen        that's easily backported, though
13:17 cait          the plugin functionality
13:17 cait          it's been extended a lot in recent releases
13:17 lmstrand      I do have plugin manager here tho
13:16 lmstrand      yeah, doesn't tell the whole story
13:16 cait          I think that's due to the local dev
13:16 tcohen        he
13:16 tcohen        that's not even a stable version
13:14 lmstrand      my version: 	17.06.00.001
13:14 tcohen        but there's been some bugs and enhancements you wouldn't want to miss
13:13 tcohen        injecting routes was introduced on 18.11
13:13 tcohen        this is simpler
13:13 tcohen        https://gitlab.com/thekesolutions/plugins/koha-plugin-gobi
13:13 tcohen        lmstrand that plugin requires 19.11
13:10 cait          i think koha suomi is quite different, but always glad to see people around contributing still
13:09 lmstrand      here in koha Finland
13:09 lmstrand      And it's development has gotten kinda out of hand and I guess it does not have much in common with the community version
13:08 lmstrand      We're a bit behind with our koha version I assume.
13:08 lmstrand      I wonder if that plugin you posted work on my dev container
13:07 lmstrand      Let's see if I can make sense on how to inject an endpoint to the rest api in a plugin.
13:06 tcohen        that's totally something a route controller can do
13:06 lmstrand      after it parses the necessary stuff from inside the XML the endpoint receives
13:05 lmstrand      no, the module uses sockets to talk to the sip server
13:05 tcohen        I'd suggest the simpler route of writing a plugin
13:05 lmstrand      I've studied the basic of thgem already
13:05 tcohen        the problem is SIP clients don't talk HTTP don't they?
13:04 lmstrand      It's not overly difficult to make this one into a plugin tho.
13:04 lmstrand      I'm just thinking, with this system the need for tunneling and VPN stuff would become obsolete in the future when talking to a sip server. Shouldn't it still be merged into the Koha, or baking it in.
13:01 lmstrand      no...
13:01 tcohen        is that an issue?
13:00 tcohen        or wait until the workers respawn themselves
12:59 tcohen        after you install the plugin, you need to restart plack, yes
12:59 lmstrand      *kinds
12:59 lmstrand      adding a new route...that requires all kids of plack restarts etc wouldn't it?
12:59 tcohen        https://gitlab.com/thekesolutions/plugins/koha-plugin-innreach
12:58 tcohen        lookins for a straightforward example
12:57 lmstrand      nice then.
12:57 tcohen        :-D
12:57 wahanui       oh are there instructions?
12:57 lmstrand      oh?
12:57 tcohen        and yes, we can inject 'contribute' routes through plugins
12:57 tcohen        this is the perfect fit for a plugin, actually
12:57 lmstrand      more or less
12:56 tcohen        so this is a SIP proxy
12:56 lmstrand      But the need for the rest api endpoint makes it impossible to build this one into a plugin.
12:55 lmstrand      well this implemention lets you talk to several sip servers. Just add them in config and the messages get relayed to the ip:port in the config file. This is like a separate thing outside the sip server setup and SIPconfig.xml. Only thing you need is the login id:s from SIPconfig.xml to match the ones in my separate config file.
12:51 tcohen        we need khall
12:51 tcohen        I'm not on the SIP side
12:51 tcohen        food for thought
12:51 tcohen        just my two cents
12:51 tcohen        anyway
12:51 tcohen        we made it so you can run several SIP servers
12:51 tcohen        on designing koha-docker
12:50 lmstrand      I thought about it tho.
12:50 lmstrand      you mean the SIPconfig.xml file? Well if the SIPconfig.xnl file could be parsed easily, why not. The one I have (some age old version, not sure it has changed here in the community version) is bad xml and Can't be parsedd with tools like LibXml
12:47 cait          ?
12:47 cait          or is this totally independent from the existing sip codeß
12:47 lmstrand      hmmm
12:47 cait          woudl this not work here too?
12:47 cait          hm usually the sip conf xml file is used - identified by the user etc.
12:47 tcohen        ok, my two cents
12:46 tcohen        and can be enabled/disabled administratively
12:46 tcohen        which allows exposing different setups
12:46 tcohen        maybe we have a route outside /api, like /sip/<configuration alias>
12:45 tcohen        but I'm wondering what design could allow us to handle those use cases
12:45 tcohen        I'm not trying to be negative, I really like the approach
12:44 tcohen        that said, I'd go with a tiny Mojo::Lite app instead of baking it into Koha
12:43 tcohen        2. I've seen setups in which several SIP servers are run with different configurations
12:43 tcohen        1. Not everyone wants to run a SIP server (i.e. should it be added to the API regardless?)
12:43 tcohen        there's something I have doubts about regarding that dev
12:42 huginn        Bug 25965: new feature, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Create SIP2 client daemon with HTTPS API endpoint
12:42 cait          referring to that comment here: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25965#c10
12:41 cait          tcohen: do you agree?
12:41 cait          lmstrand: i think making it work out of the box for koah-testing-docker is "nice to have" but not a requirement for your work to go in
12:37 tcohen        I recommend that you mock the sip-specific calls
12:36 tcohen        lmstrand there are several tests examples in t/db_dependent/api/v1
12:29 oleonard      Hi tcohen
12:24 tcohen        morning
12:10 lmstrand      I also have no idea how to build a test for this...
12:07 huginn        Bug 25965: new feature, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Create SIP2 client daemon with HTTPS API endpoint
12:07 lmstrand      https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25965
12:07 cait          what bugs is this about? :)
12:07 lmstrand      does it mean that in koha-testing-docker by just applying the patch the new feature should work?
12:06 lmstrand      I was told this about my patch: Ideally, it would be great if it could work in koha-testing-docker
11:56 magnuse       and if you use kohadevbox or koha-docker-testing (gah, i forget the name), they help you set it up :-)
11:56 magnuse       once you have it set up it will save you work
11:50 lmstrand      guess I could take a look at it. :)
11:49 TimothyAlexis lmstrand it's very simple and I would agree that it's worth learning.
11:49 oleonard      lmstrand: If you're going to be in the habit of submitting patches, git-bz is definitely worth learning
11:47 lmstrand      ok thanks
11:46 oleonard      Then "edit details," then check the "obsolete" checkbox.
11:46 oleonard      In the list of attachments on the Bugzilla page, click "Detail" next to the patch you want to obsolete.
11:45 lmstrand      yes
11:45 oleonard      Did you attach the patch originally via Bugzilla?
11:45 lmstrand      git bz...oh boy, seems like a lot of work. I'm a git noob.
11:42 TimothyAlexis lmstrand attach a new one with git bz and the old one will be obsoleted
11:42 lmstrand      can I replace the old one somehow?
11:42 lmstrand      I posted a patch for my bug, and it needs to be updated.
11:41 lmstrand      hi all!
10:50 alexbuckley   hey oleonard heh yeah very nearly just doing an out of hours task atm
10:40 oleonard      Isn't it past your bedtime alexbuckley?
10:39 alexbuckley   hey magnuse :)
10:33 magnuse       hi oleonard and alexbuckley
10:25 oleonard      Hi #koha
10:22 ashimema[m]   indeed
10:08 cait          bbl :)
10:08 cait          our server is self-hosted by one of our cooperation partners
10:08 cait          ashimema[m]: then ahndling with screenshots and the like is nice
10:05 ashimema[m]   though I'm not sure it's all that more 'modern' to pick up new users
10:01 ashimema[m]   But generally I like it
10:01 ashimema[m]   The reliability of the free public servers is variable
10:00 ashimema[m]   I've used riot/element for years here
09:46 jajm          yes
09:45 cait          are you using it at biblibre?
09:45 cait          but was not sure if i missed something as I am still new to the tool
09:44 cait          yeah, that makes sense
09:41 jajm          cait, i think it's a limitation of kanboard itself, not the plugin, but we don't use subtaks so i'm not sure
09:40 cait          overall it's pretty awesome and works like a treat :) i love the status check
09:40 cait          you can add subtasks to a task and then turn them into tasks when youstart working on it which keeps the list a bit tidier - but i think then they can't be bugs
09:39 cait          jajm: the only thing I have been wondering about is if i can turn a subtask into a bug somehow... but not sure that's possible
09:35 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26266 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, timothy_alexis.vass, Needs Signoff , Add jQuery validator to opac-password-recovery.tt
09:35 TimothyAlexis I think bug 26266 is ready to be tested.
09:34 jajm          cait, let me know if you find a bug, or have ideas for enhancements ;)
09:33 jajm          cait, yes :)
09:32 wahanui       hola, TimothyAlexis
09:32 TimothyAlexis Hello
09:31 cait          jajm: did you see my later?
09:31 cait          i still have my trusty IRC client too :)
09:31 cait          we are using Element/Riot now... after some difficulties in the beginning it's appears pretty stable now - no idea if it would bridge to IRC in any way
09:16 jajm          still more activity than the rocket one (old habits die hard)
09:15 jajm          andreashm, ashimema[m], we use rocket.chat at biblibre, IMO it's really not that great compared to irc: lots of non essential features that clutter the interface or make it slow, no real keyboard navigation support so a mouse is mandatory, discussions are splitted in threads or "sub-channels" which sometimes makes it hard to follow conversations, ... we switched to Rocket 6 months ago, and the irc channel has
08:59 magnuse       i'd say if the bridging is too difficult, let's not let that stop us :-)
08:41 andreashm     this looks interesting too: https://laptrinhx.com/bridge-between-mattermost-irc-gitter-xmpp-slack-discord-telegram-rocket-chat-steam-twitch-ssh-chat-zulip-whatsapp-keybase-matrix-and-more-with-rest-api-mattermost-not-required-91155893/
08:37 andreashm     https://github.com/sometoby/rocketchat-irc-bridge
08:36 nlegrand      A guten!
08:36 * andreashm   too, but haven't looked at that myself.
08:32 ashimema[m]   if you have any idea's or anyone with expertise to give it a try do feel free.. I'd love to see it happen
08:31 ashimema[m]   mettermost is similar I believe.. irc isn't a priority for these guys.. allot of the problem is irc has a fair bit of spammer prevention built in these days and that often kills bridges
08:30 ashimema[m]   I'm all out of idea's really.. I would love ot see us adopt a more modern chat medium.. but I can't see a route to doing it...
08:30 andreashm     mattermost might be an option then. but don't know if it integrates/bridges to irc either
08:29 ashimema[m]   and I didn't think we could get the whole community to up ship and jump to an entirely diffrent platform all in one go :(
08:29 andreashm     dang
08:29 ashimema[m]   but it doesn't do bridging to IRC well at all :(
08:29 ashimema[m]   I did
08:28 andreashm     ashimema[m]: did you ever look at rocket.chat btw? We use it at the national library. works pretty well.
08:28 andreashm     *thumbs up*
08:27 ashimema[m]   I'll take a look some time today, thanks :)
08:26 andreashm     cait: afraid not, just taking care of my backlog. =)
08:25 ashimema[m]   :)
08:25 cait          andreashm: back on Koha? :)
08:07 wahanui       others are certainly enhancements that can be in followups
08:07 andreashm     others...
08:06 andreashm     for ashimema[m] cait fridolin and other who might be interested. =)
08:06 andreashm     https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Account_view_RFC
08:06 andreashm     I finally got around to add a RFC for improvement of the account view:
07:37 ashimema[m]   mornin' #koha
07:14 magnuse       \o/
06:54 andreashm     salut
06:51 alex_a        Bonjour
06:36 cait          bbl!
06:36 * cait        waves at andreashm
06:34 reiveune      hello
06:32 * andreashm   waves
01:54 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26495 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Impossible to save Budget Plans
01:54 dcook         Bug 26495
01:54 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26496 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Budget Plan save button doesn't save plans
01:54 dcook         Bug 26496
01:49 dcook         Wow yeah aqplan.pl is like... getting worse and worse all the time...
00:30 dcook         Although maybe that work was just to silence legitimate warnings..
00:29 dcook         But that can't be right. It seems like people have been working on it since then..
00:28 dcook         Wow, it looks like aqplan.pl has been broken for 4 years and no one has noticed...
00:14 dcook_        Oh wow it's only 9pm there... I had no idea
00:13 dcook_        tcohen: still awake?