Time  Nick          Message
23:25 davidnind     I will add some comments to the bug
23:25 davidnind     good night cait!
23:24 davidnind     transaction number would cover all situations, if the intend is to have a sequential and unique id for trackability
23:24 cait          good night!
23:24 cait          not sure if that is good or bad - i guess once the receipt has been printed you would not want to reuse a number
23:23 cait          i think at the moment it would keep the assigned number if reversed... hm
23:23 davidnind     hehe
23:23 davidnind     credit note maybe, although that doesn't cover reversing transactions to fix things up!
23:23 cait          too late
23:23 cait          comments and reviews..
23:21 davidnind     I hope the terminology doesn't keep you up at night, with your brain whirring away!
23:20 davidnind     yep!
23:20 cait          guess i should stop sleep qa'ing now :)
23:20 cait          patrons and members
23:20 cait          or lists and virtualshelves
23:19 davidnind     has always confused me a bit!
23:19 cait          I think it's worth thinking about proper naming
23:19 cait          so in the code budget means fund... and ugh. I
23:18 cait          we actually switched them
23:18 cait          fund/budget is the most prominent
23:18 cait          we have a few places in code where we have renamed things later in the gui and made it confusing forever
23:18 cait          thx :)
23:18 davidnind     will add a comment shortly, no problem!
23:17 davidnind     for credits, where a transaction is reversed or cancelled), then I'll try and track down the correct term
23:17 cait          could you add as comment to the bug please?
23:16 davidnind     for credits (for payments) then receipt number would be the right term
23:15 davidnind     for debits (when we are charging someone), then invoice number is the right term
23:12 davidnind     :)
23:12 cait          i am sleep qa'ing
23:12 cait          um...
23:10 davidnind     shouldn't you be asleep? :)
23:09 cait          oh htought i had missed you -thx!
23:09 davidnind     having a quick look now...
23:09 cait          the question (putting it out her for everyone else too) is if credit number is the right term for the feature described there.
23:08 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19036 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Failed QA , Number payment receipts / payment slips
23:08 cait          coudl you take a moment for bug 19036?
23:08 cait          davidnind: actually... you might be the native speaker i am looking for
23:08 cait          davidnind++ tuxayo++
23:08 cait          :)
22:59 davidnind     that will be great! thanks!
22:58 tuxayo        davidnind: Ok, I'll finish responding by email to you and send some additional info I got.
22:57 tuxayo        At least I can tell that about media standards, it's super bad. It still doesn't support Ogg vorbis, VP8, VP9, AV1. So due it's marketshare it can singlehandly block the usage of open format :(
22:57 davidnind     Have a meeting for the next hour or so, so will get back to that this afternoon - will post a link once I've got in a reasonable set of info for review/comment (will be some GitLab pages and some source in markdown)
22:56 davidnind     not really familiar with Safari
22:56 tuxayo        +1
22:56 davidnind     was where I was leaning towards,I don't think it reasonable to support very old versions of browsers
22:55 tuxayo        Indeed an easy approach is to just list the recommendations and the non-supported ones. Like IE. And maybe discourage Safari? (not a strong as not supporting)
22:55 tuxayo        > hard to categorically support ABC browser
22:53 davidnind     anyway, on the server side the database combination is what I' working on at the moment - just digging through the dev meeting discussions and mailing list
22:50 davidnind     maybe we can go back to using a text only browser :-D (would be a good test to see what works and what doesn't)
22:49 davidnind     As Koha uses Bootstrap, it can take care of most of these issues - looking forward to the Bootstrap 4 work
22:48 davidnind     ^^ nice (hesitates to ask where IE 3 and 5 are still used)!
22:46 tuxayo        https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/User:Victor_Grousset_-_tuxayo/Internet_Explorer_support
22:46 davidnind     What you said before, there are such a variety of environments Koha is run in or accessed from that it can be hard to categorically support ABC browser on XYZ OS
22:46 tuxayo        Indeed, like circulation still works on IE 5! :D
22:46 tuxayo        > things should degrade nicely but still be functional
22:45 tuxayo        Yep, should it be explicitly discouraged? (not dropped like old IEs )
22:44 davidnind     then there are the Apple people with Safari!
22:44 tuxayo        what do you mean?
22:43 davidnind     However, there is such a combination out there that it gets "hard" to make things work as expected across everything and all OSs
22:42 tuxayo        +1
22:42 tuxayo        > differentiation between the OPAC and the staff interface
22:42 tuxayo        Anyway the recommendation aren't that strict due to the variety of client envs. The hard and strict part is about the few versions explicitly not supported anymore. Like IE 11
22:42 davidnind     For good web practice, things should degrade nicely but still be functional
22:42 davidnind     Also, there is a differentiation between the OPAC and the staff interface
22:41 davidnind     Adding ESR version, didn't think of that!
22:41 davidnind     For example, IE 11 (no one in their right mind should use it, but....)
22:40 tuxayo        And lastest Firefox ESR I guess?
22:40 davidnind     However, some organisations can be slow in updating desktops/versions
22:39 davidnind     Normally, it is a recent version of the main browsers (Google Chrome, Firefox, Microsoft Edge, and Chromium)
22:38 davidnind     Browser support is interesting!
22:38 davidnind     https://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2020-July/thread.html#54955
22:36 tuxayo        About IE, knowing the Koha versions is also important to announce the support drop in the mailing list.
22:35 tuxayo        lol wahanui
22:35 wahanui       okay, tuxayo.
22:35 tuxayo        davidnind Which are the threads? I can help with that.
22:35 tuxayo        > there are also a couple of recent mailing list items about it as well that I have to digest
22:35 tuxayo        (after rereading general_irc_meeting_15_july_2020)
22:34 tuxayo        Nooooo, no Koha mentioned. Does it means next major? (unlikely) current stable or all 3 supported branches?
22:31 tuxayo        Indeed, let me check which major version is affected
22:31 tuxayo        > table with the browser versions supported as well
22:30 tuxayo        Great, that's the most confusing thing for me. Since it change in the life of a given major version. Can be simple to document if we stick to the latest point  release though.
22:30 tuxayo        > with the various Koha versions and OS supported
22:28 davidnind     there are also a couple of recent mailing list items about it as well that I have to digest
22:28 davidnind     might also add a table with the browser versions supported as well
22:28 davidnind     working on adding the Perl versions and MySQL/MariaDB versions
22:27 davidnind     I have a table and notes with the various Koha versions and OS supported
22:20 tuxayo        (other homework for the meeting ^^)
22:20 tuxayo        davidnindis there a good moment for you to work documenting system requirements and recommendations? It's been a while I wanted to look on that topic and I'm free now that I finished other things.
22:16 davidnind     I is!
22:02 tuxayo        davidnind: around?
20:47 davidnind     (I'm sure they will be okay!)
20:47 davidnind     I will have a look! :)
20:47 cait          well it was just seeing you triggering ... manual :)
20:46 cait          :)
20:46 cait          please let me know if the patches are ok like this - I will try to do some more
20:45 cait          davidnind: reminds me... i have tried to improve hte manual about the merging rules
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20:37 davidnind     cait++
20:35 cait          you are welcome
20:35 Marie-Luce    thanks a lot cait
20:35 Marie-Luce    it makes much more sense now
20:35 cait          yeah - i think hte idea is to process them at a time when the library is not very busy
20:31 Marie-Luce    so, if the cron is scheduled to run once a day.... everything pile up
20:30 cait          you could check for your authid i think
20:30 cait          http://schema.koha-community.org/19_05/tables/need_merge_authorities.html
20:30 cait          when the cron is used for merging, then the info is kept there until it has been run
20:29 cait          it's a bit like zebraqueue
20:29 cait          it's need_merge_authorities
20:29 Marie-Luce    what would you check in the db?
20:29 Marie-Luce    no
20:29 cait          you could check the db table
20:28 cait          has the job run yet?
20:28 cait          hm
20:28 Marie-Luce    I do have a different probleme. One of my authority was deleted. My biblio records still have the authority number in the 100$9, but it doesn't exist anymore... I'm confused
20:27 cait          I think likely to be in 19.05
20:27 cait          that's probably a good indicator of what version it was filed against
20:26 cait          if you check when it was filed - 2019-11
20:26 cait          i think it should go down to all old versons probably
20:26 Marie-Luce    I'm using Koha 19.05. This bug is on the master, can you recall if it was in previous version?
20:24 cait          also interested in your opinion on the right behavior
20:23 cait          adding a comment could help pushing it up a little
20:22 Marie-Luce    Oh. interesting
20:21 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24125 normal, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, NEW , Deleting an authority clears the record heading
20:21 cait          bug 24125
20:19 Marie-Luce    I was sure of the normal behaviour.
20:18 cait          i'd probably do a quick test to confirm how it behaves
20:17 cait          but i htink there might be a bug about the delete behaviour somewhere
20:17 cait          i think so
20:15 Marie-Luce    If my authority is linked to biblio records and I delete it by mistake, would it delete the authority info from the biblio record too?
20:08 cait          so the same name shoudl not hurt things
20:08 cait          but it works on the authid
20:08 cait          deleting... not quite sure
20:08 cait          merging - it changes the heading and authid
20:07 cait          so 0 or empty = always use the cron for updating the linked bibliographic records
20:07 Marie-Luce    so if I do a cleanup in my authorities (merged authorities and deleted others with the same name), what will happen to my biblio record after running the cron?
20:07 cait          http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=C4/AuthoritiesMarc.pm;hb=3ae472ba5d9b7bfe6c6e44320ca020c9cf111b01#l1372
20:06 cait          and if empty it turns it into 0
20:05 cait          (so the other way around)
20:05 cait          hm ah, i think it would always use the cron
20:04 cait          let me check
20:04 cait          i believe it would always merge immedaitely
20:03 Marie-Luce    #cait concerning the system preference AuthorityMergeLimit, what would it do it the limit is set to 0 ?
20:03 lisettelatah  cait of course! Last night we had knitting, crocheting, spinning, and someone working on a sewing pattern. We also had someone who didn't have a craft and that is also allowed :)
20:02 cait          lisettelatah: knitting does count as crafting, right?
20:01 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22343 new feature, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, NEW , Add SMTP configuration options to Administration
20:01 tcohen        I've just posted patches on bug 22343, it is just the CRUD, it is still not using that config, but feedback is welcome on the UI
20:00 wizzyrea      which come from Koha
20:00 wizzyrea      those are probably tabs in the dates.
19:59 wizzyrea      joubu: it is autogenerated. Hilariously, it was broken altogether until about 2 days ago when I fixed it.
19:59 lisettelatah  we had our first meeting last night, read a book and discussed it while we did some crafting. We ended up mostly just talking and crafting and only a little book discussion.
19:58 wahanui       hey, wizzyrea
19:58 wizzyrea      hi
19:58 cait          I'd try to make one to find out probably
19:57 cait          and maybe :)
19:57 cait          what is discussed at book and craft?
19:56 lisettelatah  cait or any one interested: if koha-us was going to expand our book and craft club to have a meeting that would work for our European friends, would Saturday or Sunday work better (and are you interested)
19:55 lisettelatah  hi cait :)
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19:52 cait          hi lisettelatah :)
19:52 cait          well, not only theory... we are on an older version, but we have a library maintaining authorities locally where I had tested it
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19:51 cait          Marie-Luce: in theory, what's the question?
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19:28 davidnind     There are a couple of 'recent ' bugs https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=AuthorityMergeLimit&list_id=337940
19:28 Marie-Luce    No worries. Thanks
19:27 Marie-Luce    Hi David
19:27 davidnind     Hi Marie-Luce! Sorry, I'm not familiar with AuthorityMergeLimit.
19:17 Marie-Luce    Is anyone aroung familiar with the system preference AuthorityMergeLimit?
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16:31 Joubu         bye #koha
16:31 huginn        Bug 25855: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to master , Add hook to AddRenewal using a new _after_circ_actions method in circulation
16:31 Joubu         https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25855#c29 # for the failures
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15:51 Joubu         this one was huge!
15:46 cait1         i love seeing these :)
15:46 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 22087: Use include file to display patrons address in search result <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=33f4bc949e22cca9eb6ee590e044ac708f80966a>
15:46 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 22087: Add space between zipcode and country <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2fac4017b78d5da9b20b7e73a9f75ecad7f94a67>
15:46 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 22087: Add a no_line_break parameter to prevent new lines <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=77058c7d6ba4f13c64b5f48a7028692bcfa5b968>
15:46 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 22087: Prevent variable names colision <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=89551241dbf3712fa9e582627855f1a859edeeb6>
15:46 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 22087: Remove padding on li's <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a351d056c597e3a925500527e2d8ecd49d02c430>
15:46 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 22087: Move the email into the list <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=07d00ee029dfddd1aed1b4e45ac04ed92e73f708>
15:46 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 22660: Add system pref to allow switching of editors in News Tool <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=980dd605031e616f1d481852dffe9cc6779eb3e3>
15:46 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 25953: Add ID to installed plugins table on plugins-home.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c2111c1ce6532b73af3a4847500be8f305db570a>
15:46 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 25968: Make logs sort by date descending as a default <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e68fe2a928bec05b9602fa28dfbc86e04657ce81>
15:46 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 22660: (follow-up) Improve asset handling, add linting <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5bec404420c6dd9251b511d12e2425e5a6039a95>
15:46 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 22660: (follow-up) Re-word system preference description <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=23846781751d7fb808b3fa4b857da72706653575>
15:46 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 26061: Improve style of sidebar datepickers <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5cd1c1e03290ae7be214dd92083e1377eadd3c1f>
15:46 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 22087: Add missing filters <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=80077c44f9eeea537f0085e33329fc40eabb5f9d>
15:46 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 26070: Remove GoogleIndicTransliteration system preference <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9b9e8fd32852acceb10cfc54d4a5a3acc0f6e232>
15:46 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 26083: Item editor defaults to lost <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3ae472ba5d9b7bfe6c6e44320ca020c9cf111b01>
15:46 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 22660: (QA follow-up) Fix capitalization in system preference <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9e0d097a5692af07db020e6f806eeaa97d43ae1e>
15:46 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 22660: DBRev 20.06.00.019 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9deaf86754c9d6aa0b4a2cb688b497bd6b03b67f>
15:46 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 26070: DBRev 20.06.00.020 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=773b88e9c20c17ea70aa285d12c8e4e03923d15d>
15:46 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 26060: Compiled CSS <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a8b95985847d38296abd1961ca8e05115b563dc7>
15:46 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 22087: Compiled CSS <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0a37a026e3eaa4da57b467d506147849e137781e>
15:46 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 26061: Compiled CSS <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cc621836b26010986c85bd2cc986ff71b77bb28d>
15:01 reiveune      bye
14:38 oleonard      This place is boisterous as usual...
14:23 wahanui       hi oleopard
14:23 tcohen        hi oleonard
14:23 oleonard      Hi again #koha
14:21 Joubu         ah
14:21 tcohen        teh after_biblio_hooks are pushed
14:20 Joubu         ha ha!
14:20 tcohen        Ah
14:18 Joubu         well, it's not pushed yet, so...
14:17 tcohen        and maybe PTFS-E
14:17 tcohen        I might be the only one using this hooks
14:17 * tcohen      noticed
14:17 Joubu         I want to send only the id
14:17 tcohen        it doesn't hurt to send the id
14:16 tcohen        in this cases
14:07 Joubu         then the plugin can fetch the info it needs
14:06 Joubu         I'd send only the id
14:06 Joubu         hook
14:06 Joubu         we discussed it already for another oo
14:06 Joubu         does it make sense to send biblio and biblioid?
14:04 tcohen        in Koha::Item my quetsion doesn't apply
14:04 tcohen        but in C4::Biblio it would skip fetching the Koha::Biblio
14:03 Joubu         it's done in call
14:03 tcohen        in C4::Biblio snf Koha::Item
14:03 tcohen        Joubu do we need to remove the check for C4::Context->config("enable_plugins")
14:00 lukeG1        good morning Koha
13:57 tcohen        I can QA it
13:56 tcohen        I mean the follow-up
13:56 tcohen        haven't tested
13:56 tcohen        I saw it, looks sane
13:56 tcohen        yes
13:51 Joubu         my patch I mean
13:51 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26063 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Use Koha::Plugins->call for other hooks
13:51 Joubu         tcohen: did you review bug 26063?
13:48 huginn        Joubu: The operation succeeded.
13:48 Joubu         @later tell wizzyrea Hi Liz, do you know how the history page on the website is updated? It seems to be auto generated. There is a bug reported (24685), it's trivial to fix but it looks like it needs to be done at lower level (scripting?)
12:40 tcohen        morning
12:39 * oleonard    bbl
12:20 oleonard      I wonder if "Edit with WYSIWYG editor" is not friendly
11:37 cait1         I wanted to put the idea out there at least, but no intention to block the patches
11:34 cait1         I think the codemirror will help a lot, but yep.... maybe a little fine tuning :)
11:33 oleonard      lukeG and I both talked about wanting to more easily swap between the editing modes and that's a good first step
11:32 oleonard      Ooh, I like your idea about the split button for editing news!
11:29 cait1         so waiting
11:29 cait1         I would love to sign some of your patches off... but worried they will get stuck then
11:29 cait1         oleonad++ # for SO and great GUI improvements
11:28 oleonard      cait++ # Also for QA
10:59 cait1         heh thx :) oleonard++ too
10:59 oleonard-away cait++ # Spam-fighter
06:49 wahanui       que tal, reiveune
06:49 reiveune      hello
02:42 huginn        dcook: The operation succeeded.
02:42 dcook         @later tell oleonard Ah yep that looks like it to me
01:06 oleonard      https://zivotdesign.com/p/view.php?p=15960711677886
00:38 dcook         :o
00:38 oleonard      I observed a problem with the "Choose file" button too
00:38 * oleonard    sees the follow-up email now
00:37 dcook         Whereas she uses a different computer for her actual work
00:37 dcook         But... I don't know what version of Safari she was using or anything. I think it was a personal computer anyway
00:36 dcook         But as I mentioned in the email, I think she had trouble with the "Choose file" button not working
00:36 dcook         It was a few weeks ago, so I don't recall 100%
00:36 dcook         Ah yeah I figured that would be the case
00:36 dcook         Might start up again this week or next though
00:36 oleonard      I just thought that if I caught you online I'd ask for more details about that Safari user
00:35 dcook         Well, I was awake. Just not on IRC. Sometimes I'm on that late, but just haven't been in the mood lately.
00:35 dcook         Hehe
00:35 oleonard      I didn't think you *should* be awake dcook, I just recalled that you sometimes were at that time :)