Time  Nick          Message
23:56 aleisha       cheers!
23:55 mtj           np, will keep you posted :0)
23:54 aleisha       awesome thanks mtj
23:54 mtj           hiya aleisha, we should get 19.11/deb10 passing on jenkins this arvo
23:45 aleisha       hey tcohen are you around?
23:42 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_20.05_U16 build #7: STILL FAILING in 2 min 36 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U16/7/
23:40 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_19.05_D8 build #242: SUCCESS in 28 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_D8/242/
23:36 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_20.05_D9 build #11: SUCCESS in 47 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_D9/11/
23:26 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_19.11_D9 build #176: SUCCESS in 52 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_D9/176/
23:16 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_19.11_D8 build #179: FAILURE in 55 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_D8/179/
23:11 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_19.11_U18 build #175: SUCCESS in 45 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U18/175/
22:49 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_20.05_D11 build #17: FIXED in 44 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_D11/17/
22:49 wahanui       Congratulations!
22:49 koha-jenkins  Yippee, build fixed!
22:33 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_20.05_D10 build #10: SUCCESS in 56 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_D10/10/
22:25 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_20.05_D9_My8 build #9: FIXED in 55 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_D9_My8/9/
22:25 wahanui       Congratulations!
22:25 koha-jenkins  Yippee, build fixed!
22:20 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_20.05_U18 build #6: SUCCESS in 1 hr 20 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U18/6/
22:04 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_20.05_U20 build #5: SUCCESS in 44 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U20/5/
21:56 dcook         There are not enough hours in the day..
21:55 dcook         Mmm same here. And many half-formed ideas of Koha patches..
21:55 * oleonard    has plenty of half-formed Koha patches to keep him busy
21:51 dcook         Did some C# last night. That was fun.
21:51 dcook         I know right. I'm ridiculous.
21:51 dcook         Hehe
21:51 oleonard      dcook: from one person with too many projects to another :D
21:43 huginn        dcook: The operation succeeded.
21:43 dcook         @later tell ashimema Yes join me with the Golang fun. One of these days I'll share my Golang task scheduler for Koha...
21:36 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_20.05_D9 build #10: FIXED in 59 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_D9/10/
21:36 wahanui       Congratulations!
21:36 koha-jenkins  Yippee, build fixed!
21:30 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_20.05_U16 build #6: STILL FAILING in 1 min 22 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U16/6/
21:29 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_20.05_D11 build #16: UNSTABLE in 47 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_D11/16/
21:19 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_20.05_D10 build #9: SUCCESS in 44 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_D10/9/
21:00 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_20.05_D9_My8 build #8: STILL FAILING in 23 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_D9_My8/8/
20:55 hayley        I bet!
20:54 oleonard      Pretty good. My wife and 3 kids are all home for the summer so it's not exactly quiet
20:54 aleisha       hi
20:53 hayley        I've enjoyed working from home, how has it been for you?
20:53 * oleonard    's library is open again but still working from home
20:53 hayley        oleonard some days of the week for me oleonard, people are being chill about coming into the office
20:51 oleonard      Are you back in the office hayley?
20:49 hayley        !
20:49 hayley        that's right oleonard@
20:49 nugged        tcohen: Joonas on vacation for 3 weeks from this monday
20:49 nugged        > <tcohen> seen kohaputti
20:49 oleonard      time for work hayley?
20:48 cait          soon'ish :)
20:47 hayley        time for bed cait? :)
20:46 cait          oleonard: we are all too tired for talking
20:42 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_20.05_U16 build #5: STILL FAILING in 2 min 13 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U16/5/
20:39 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_19.05_D9 build #235: UNSTABLE in 39 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_D9/235/
20:35 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_19.05_D8 build #241: SUCCESS in 36 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_D8/241/
20:35 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_19.05_U18 build #237: FIXED in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_U18/237/
20:35 wahanui       Congratulations!
20:35 koha-jenkins  Yippee, build fixed!
20:30 reiveune      bye
20:21 oleonard      oh hey thanks for not talking while I was away. I might have missed something otherwise.
16:39 vfernandes    besides that the language cookie isn't defined for the default language
16:38 vfernandes    yes, but some libraries asks if is possible to force the OPAC language
16:35 oleonard      vfernandes if the user's OPAC interface language is being selected based on their browser's default language isn't that good?
16:23 vfernandes    in Koha 20.05 it's possible to define the OPAC and intranet languages order but can we define the default language (looks like it's opening the browser language)?
16:11 caroline      Yeah I was going to retest it and put my comments in the bug
16:11 Joubu         caroline: you can still test it and confirm it works :)
16:08 Joubu         it feels wrong, I don't think it's the way to fix it
16:07 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24001 major, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, NEW , Cannot edit card template
16:07 caroline      bug 24001
16:06 caroline      Joubu: any particular reason you didn't want the put 24001 in NSO? I just tested it and it works
16:03 huginn        tcohen: kohaputti was last seen in #koha 5 days, 4 hours, 25 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <kohaputti> if the library has the books in transfer state but in a room accessible for patrons then some of the patrons might go pick up those books and checkout them even though they were supposed to be transferred to another branch
16:03 tcohen        @seen kohaputti
16:01 arghya        ok.thanks
15:59 Joubu         search in the system preferences
15:59 arghya        Joubu I don't know exeactly, can you tell me how to check
15:56 gmcharlt      ok
15:55 Joubu         gmcharlt: ok thanks. I have not found a RSS feed in gitea, but I guess it could be done with webhooks
15:53 Joubu         arghya: do you have GoogleOpenIDConnect enabled?
15:48 arghya        ok thanks any one can give me some suggestion...thanks in advance
15:48 oleonard      Sorry arghya I am not an expert in this area. I don't know what to suggest next.
15:45 arghya        yes I run the db schema update then koha-rebilud zebra
15:43 oleonard      Importing your database into the new Koha installation is the standard procedure as far as I know. You ran the database update process?
15:43 arghya        caroline that's the only error in the log file no other errors are there
15:42 arghya        for migration only db miration is sufficient or any other files/folders I need to migrate?
15:41 caroline      no, ut they said they had an error in opac-error log relating to oAuth
15:41 caroline      Administration > System preferences
15:41 oleonard      ...but oAuth wouldn't have anything to do with the zebra index would it?
15:41 arghya        system preference means?where & how to check
15:40 caroline      I searched for oAuth and there are a couple of sysprefs related to that
15:40 caroline      arghya: maybe a system preference is set that shouldn't be
15:39 oleonard      arghya if everything else seems to be working then the database user can't be the problem.
15:38 arghya        is there any database user creation or user/password needed to be set?
15:36 arghya        but I have check database data are same like older system. yes I have tried
15:36 caroline      -r solves all my index problems :)
15:36 caroline      I would try rebuild_zebra with -r
15:36 arghya        no
15:35 oleonard      arghya do you get search results in the staff interface?
15:35 wahanui       i think any help is welcomed
15:35 arghya        any help
15:35 arghya        I got error in opac-error.log oAuth connection problem database error
15:35 caroline      ashimema++ thanks for that!
15:34 arghya        I am facing problem when migration 16.05 to 19.11. I have resotre database, rebulid zebra index, without error. But in the opac search I am not getting any data, No result found.
15:34 ashimema      https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_1_July_2020 spot the new feature of the koha-meetings script
15:34 * oleonard    belatedly adds Dublin to this list https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Kohacon_History#History
15:28 * oleonard    is there
15:28 tuxayo        oleonard: Wayback Machine to the rescue: https://web.archive.org/web/20190523051557/https://www.interleaf.ie/kohacon2019proposal/
15:27 tuxayo        thd: that's though :(
15:25 thd           The only real rioting was police induced with excess and otherwise poorly considered crowd management.
15:24 thd           s/riots/proper protests/
15:23 thd           Yes, at least the police came when called that night and scared away the person.  Unlike three nights before when it seemed as if groups of criminals were using the riots as cover for smashing and looting using power tools and had the police far outnumbered.
15:23 oleonard      Oh bummer, Interleaf took down the KohaCon2019 page?
15:21 oleonard      thd it sounds like your brain deserves some recovery time for that
15:21 oleonard      caroline that bug cannot be trusted
15:20 thd           My brain has not recovered from being under curfew to control looting and then being at work late during curfew with someone trying to break in.
15:20 caroline      I was thinking more of this one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phasmatodea#/media/File:Ctenomorpha_chronus02.jpg
15:19 oleonard      caroline I veto twig insects because they are too scary https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phasmatodea#/media/File:Dares_ulula_P%C3%A4rchen.jpg
15:18 thd           I failed to note that both meetings fell on the same day.
15:18 tuxayo        About 20.05.00: did any scary bug popped up after the release? (I haven't followed well)
15:17 ashimema      lol
15:17 Joubu         I keep it as long as I could!
15:17 tuxayo        Joubu++
15:17 caroline      or extra long dev meeting
15:17 caroline      Joubu++ short meeting :)
15:17 huginn        Log:            http://meetings.koha-community.org/2020/general_irc_meeting_17_june_2020.2020-06-17-15.00.log.html
15:17 huginn        Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2020/general_irc_meeting_17_june_2020.2020-06-17-15.00.txt
15:17 huginn        Minutes:        http://meetings.koha-community.org/2020/general_irc_meeting_17_june_2020.2020-06-17-15.00.html
15:17 huginn        Meeting ended Wed Jun 17 15:17:00 2020 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
15:17 Joubu         #endmeeting
15:16 Joubu         #info Next meeting: 17 July 2020, 20 UTC
15:16 tuxayo        *now
15:16 tuxayo        I get the Mantis bug tracker name know! :o
15:16 tuxayo        > mantis, because they eat other bugs
15:16 caroline      twig insects are pretty cool too
15:15 tuxayo        he he
15:15 caroline      XD
15:15 talljoy       lol
15:15 Joubu         #info next approved bug: spider
15:15 * oleonard    votes mantis, because they eat other bugs and are like bug dinosaurs
15:15 tuxayo        «Should I install Koha 20.05.00? Or wait for 20.05.01?»
15:14 oleonard      +1
15:14 caroline      I would say spiders bc they eat other bugs
15:14 tuxayo        Any news?
15:13 talljoy       favorite bugs?
15:13 talljoy       documentation?
15:13 oleonard      Anyone who wasn't at the dev meeting want to talk about anything? :D
15:13 Joubu         #topic Set time of next meeting
15:13 Joubu         #info Avoid 2 meetings the same day :)
15:12 wahanui       next meeting is probably https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Next_IRC_meetings
15:12 ashimema      next meeting
15:12 Joubu         Another topic we could talk about?
15:12 Joubu         #info Open the bidding process for KohaCon21 will be decided at the next general meeting
15:11 thd           Good prospects are New Zealand, the Isle of Man, and some Pacific Atolls.
15:11 oleonard      +1 to waiting to discuss until at least next month
15:11 Joubu         we announce in May I think
15:10 tuxayo        We are enough soon to afford one month to get to have more info right? I don't know the usual schedule.
15:10 oleonard      So regardless we don't count it when looking at the rotation
15:10 oleonard      KohaCon 2020 doesn't fit in the geographical rotation because it's the 20th anniversary and would have been held in New Zealand no matter what.
15:10 thd           s/on my own/on my own time/
15:09 thd           I have no objection to trying but the three days I had to spend preparing a COVID-19 safety plan where I work on my own to ensure my job would continue would be as nothing compared to conference planning at this time.
15:09 tuxayo        +1
15:09 tuxayo        > I think we should wait for the KohaCon20 updates next month
15:09 tuxayo        There are definitely reasons to not count it since many persons won't be able to visit KohaCon20
15:09 tuxayo        > it depends if you count 2020
15:09 Joubu         would you agree with that?
15:09 Joubu         then see if we decide to open the bidding for 2021
15:09 caroline      2019 was Dublin (Europe), 2018 was Portland (North America), 2017 was Philippines (Asia)
15:08 Joubu         I think we should wait for the KohaCon20 updates next month
15:07 tuxayo        thd: We can try anyway.
15:07 thd           s/meeting/conference/
15:07 Joubu         it depends if you count 2020
15:07 caroline      not Europe nor NZ?
15:07 oleonard      Where are we in the geographical rotation?
15:07 thd           Could you imagine preparing for an in person meeting at this time?
15:06 tuxayo        Any reason not to start the process?
15:06 thd           exactly
15:06 Joubu         where would you like?
15:05 oleonard      Wow... Imagine there being a 2021...
15:05 Joubu         don't let me alone please
15:05 Joubu         #topic Kohacon21 - When should we start the bidding process?
15:05 Joubu         rangi asked for the next meeting to be south hemisphere friendly
15:04 Joubu         I think we will get more info at the next general meeting
15:04 tuxayo        :P
15:04 Joubu         #topic KohaCon
15:04 tuxayo        "endmeeting"
15:04 Joubu         #info See minutes from the dev meeting earlier today
15:04 tuxayo        >_<
15:04 tuxayo        It was a trap. Got tricked again
15:03 Joubu         #topic Update on releases
15:03 Joubu         seems not
15:02 Joubu         Anyone have something?
15:02 Joubu         #topic Announcements
15:02 Joubu         first two, just in case ;)
15:02 huginn        Current chairs: Joubu talljoy tuxayo
15:02 Joubu         #chair talljoy
15:02 huginn        Current chairs: Joubu tuxayo
15:02 Joubu         #chair tuxayo
15:02 thd           #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
15:02 DonnaB        #info Donna Bachowski, ByWater Solutions
15:01 khall_        #info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions
15:01 oleonard      #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, Ohio, USA
15:01 caroline      #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inlibro
15:01 talljoy       #info Joy Nelson, ByWater Solutions
15:01 tuxayo        #info tuxayo/Victor Grousset, France
15:00 Joubu         #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_17_June_2020
15:00 Joubu         #topic Introductions
15:00 huginn        The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_17_june_2020'
15:00 huginn        Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
15:00 huginn        Meeting started Wed Jun 17 15:00:44 2020 UTC.  The chair is Joubu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
15:00 Joubu         #startmeeting General IRC meeting 17 June 2020
15:00 Joubu         anyone willing to chair?
15:00 Joubu         We have the privilege to have 2 meetings in a row today
14:57 tuxayo        note: this issue = a lot of potentially offensive terms that won't be considered enough due to not being in a dominating culture.
14:55 tuxayo        Hopeful there will not be much concrete stuff in this issue and peace is reachable in this general topic. (not thinking about just Koha)
14:55 tuxayo        We should find a lot of potentially offensive terms. And it would be contradictory to center the denylist of terms on the US or Europeans POVs.
14:55 tuxayo        I'm actually worried because if we take many countries and cultures.
14:54 tuxayo        I didn't meant to push for a high level of these changes.
14:42 Joubu         blacklist is used in dozens of other languages according to wikipedia
14:41 Joubu         I can live with allowlist
14:41 Joubu         I don't get it, but it's fine
14:41 Joubu         yes, I am aware of that, just not why blacklist :)
14:35 tuxayo        talljoy: Joubu This is a great name for the proposal because it matches this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inclusive_language
14:29 Joubu         ashimema: do you want to try your patch for the #action with this last meeting? The merge request reads good to me
14:24 Joubu         thanks
14:24 talljoy       yes i can do that.
14:24 Joubu         talljoy: Can you link the "Inclusive language" guideline proposal to some relevant links please? It's not obvious to everybody why "black" is a word that should be avoided.
14:22 * ashimema    goes for a walk
14:20 ashimema      +1
14:19 oleonard      I hereby cast my vote in approval of the next meeting date and time.
14:18 huginn        Log:            http://meetings.koha-community.org/2020/development_irc_meeting_17_june_2020.2020-06-17-13.00.log.html
14:18 huginn        Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2020/development_irc_meeting_17_june_2020.2020-06-17-13.00.txt
14:18 huginn        Minutes:        http://meetings.koha-community.org/2020/development_irc_meeting_17_june_2020.2020-06-17-13.00.html
14:18 huginn        Meeting ended Wed Jun 17 14:18:45 2020 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
14:18 Joubu         #endmeeting
14:18 Joubu         #info Next meeting: 1 July 2020, 20 UTC?
14:18 tuxayo        We can move on
14:18 Joubu         Next meeting: 1 July 2020, 20 UTC?
14:17 tuxayo        ok!
14:17 Joubu         yes
14:17 tuxayo        *page
14:17 tuxayo        Like a draft for a new section of the Release_maintenance wiki pages?
14:17 Joubu         maybe send an email to the other RMaints to collect ideas, then write something down together
14:17 ashimema      :)
14:16 tuxayo        Ok
14:16 talljoy       this is a great idea!
14:16 tuxayo        And also transmit the bugs that touch strings that have been put on hold during the string freeze
14:16 Joubu         ok? :)
14:16 Joubu         #action tuxayo write a proposal for handing over stable branches
14:16 tuxayo        *But the important thing
14:15 tuxayo        (wherever it is)
14:15 tuxayo        But the actual this is to have the [holy] "RMaint cursor" explicitly transmitted
14:14 talljoy       good point
14:14 tuxayo        than having to catch up one week during the first month when the branch isn't known yet well.
14:14 tuxayo        I'm sure I'm will find easier to continue one week more of backporting
14:14 tuxayo        I think the previous team should.
14:14 tuxayo        Could we have that formally in the process of team switching? And about which team should process the gap,
14:13 Joubu         the 20.05.00 release I mean
14:12 talljoy       do you have a suggestion tuxayo?
14:12 Joubu         tuxayo: I guess it happened because the release went out with delay
14:12 talljoy       For 19.11 I spoke (in IRC) with aleisha letting her know the moment i was stepping away and she was now owner of that branch
14:11 Joubu         ashimema: I'd wait for the guideline
14:11 talljoy       I agree that some coordination on handoffs would be helpful
14:11 * ashimema    adds terms to wiki
14:11 tuxayo        *patches
14:10 tuxayo        But if not everyone make the same, then we can miss patch to review
14:10 tuxayo        Various assumptions can make sence
14:10 tuxayo        was unclear about which team should RMaint (backport) during that time/
14:10 tuxayo        The time frame between the last point release (22th) and the release of the 20.05
14:08 Joubu         go tuxayo
14:08 ashimema      someone fancy adding 'blacklist' and 'whitelist' to https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Terminology
14:08 tuxayo        I got something aboyt RMaint handover on each cycle
14:08 tuxayo        > something else to add before the last (and best) topic?
14:08 ashimema      we have a terminology page.. we should just add it to that I recon
14:07 ashimema      :'(
14:07 tuxayo        A denylist list of course.
14:07 tuxayo        > each time we come up with one we need to add it to a list somewhere
14:07 Joubu         #topic Set time of next meeting
14:06 oleonard      If you're going to chime in you'll have to #info gmcharlt ;)
14:06 gmcharlt_     Joubu: it's currently done via an RSS feed from gitweb
14:06 ashimema      one a QA person can refer to and point at
14:06 ashimema      each time we come up with one we need to add it to a list somewhere
14:05 ashimema      indeed..
14:05 talljoy       agreed.
14:05 oleonard      It will be an ongoing process as we learn
14:05 ashimema      hence I feel it needs to be written down
14:05 Joubu         something else to add before the last (and best) topic?
14:05 ashimema      we're an international community.. unless someone specifically brings my attention to a word like blacklist being offensive I really wouldn't have guessed it ;)
14:05 talljoy       i can speak from my perspective (from the US), but their may be other perspectives worth considering
14:05 Joubu         ok, moving on then
14:05 khall_        that's all I've noticed so far Joubu
14:05 talljoy       that's a bigger discussion for the group.
14:04 Joubu         or just blacklist?
14:04 Joubu         are there other problematic terms?
14:04 ashimema      to be honest.. we probably do
14:04 tuxayo        talljoy++
14:04 tuxayo        oleonard: is depend if we accept slavery for our machines. But someday they might raise against us!
14:04 marcelr       we dont need a guideline for each term ?
14:04 talljoy       will do!
14:04 Joubu         #action talljoy Propose a guideline for "inclusive langage" (whitelist/blacklist vs allowlist/denylist)
14:04 oleonard      <thumbsup.png>
14:04 tuxayo        ashimema++
14:03 ashimema      not that it's absurd we do it..
14:03 ashimema      that's the point I was trying to get at..
14:03 oleonard      Is anyone willing to investigate what would be involved with doing away with the term "master" in our projects?
14:03 ashimema      what I find absurd is that people are taking offence at things that long predate the argument.. I do think we should do something about it so people have no excuse to take offence
14:03 marcelr       a general one ?
14:03 talljoy       i'm happy to work on a proposal for the coding guidelines.
14:02 Joubu         so, action?
14:02 tuxayo        +1
14:02 tuxayo        > I can certainly see how some people might take offence
14:02 tuxayo        +1, after double checked that in wikipedia before the meeting
14:02 tuxayo        > even though blacklist etimology has absolutely nothing to do with skin colour in the first place..
14:01 ashimema      I can certainly see how some people might take offence
14:01 talljoy       communication is not about the words used, but what is heard.
14:01 oleonard      We strive to be as open and inclusive as we can and we should set an example in our use of language
14:01 ashimema      even though blacklist etimology has absolutely nothing to do with skin colour in the first place..
14:01 Joubu         blacklist is used in different languages
14:01 oleonard      I don't find the idea of eliminating problematic terminology absurd. I find it essential.
14:00 talljoy       it's more clear to function also
14:00 marcelr       +1
14:00 ashimema      allowlist/denylist works for me
14:00 Joubu         same
14:00 marcelr       gradual improvements ?
14:00 talljoy       whitelist/blacklist?
14:00 ashimema      I'm happy for us to do it to save future arguaments.. even though personally I find it somewhat absurd
13:59 Joubu         yes, master in git does not make sense.
13:59 talljoy       i noticed github changed from master to main.
13:59 ashimema      etc
13:59 ashimema      and 'master', 'slave' is bad in db's
13:59 oleonard      Yes absolutely ashimema
13:59 ashimema      it follows the same logic that 'master' is bad in git..
13:59 talljoy       for clarity :)
13:59 talljoy       oleonard++
13:58 tuxayo        marcelr: tabs I guess aren't :P
13:58 talljoy       the terms blacklist and whitelist are problematic for us
13:58 oleonard      Terms like "blacklist" can either have racist origins or racist overtones, and we should avoid them
13:58 marcelr       is whitespace no longer allowed ? ;)
13:57 marcelr       git grep -l white|wc -l 675
13:57 wahanui       i guess the idea is of Koha::Cron is nice, I just do not like creating some "system" user in patrons database...
13:57 Joubu         what's the idea?
13:57 marcelr       git grep -l black|wc -l 165
13:57 tcohen        +1
13:57 talljoy       if you want to action item that i can work on it and submit a proposed change to vote on at the next meeting
13:56 talljoy       just briefly.  i was going to talk to tcohen about some ideas today.
13:56 oleonard      talljoy did you and kidclamp talk about specific wording for a coding guideline?
13:55 wahanui       Joubu: huh?
13:55 Joubu         wahanui: that's wrong
13:55 talljoy       i worked with him on that bug
13:55 talljoy       he's on vacation
13:54 wahanui       kidclamp is reply i guess kidclamp is the first RM not to be bribed
13:54 oleonard      kidclamp?
13:54 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25708 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , [OMNIBUS] Use allow/disallow terminology in code
13:54 Joubu         #topic We should add a coding guideline for language involving allow/deny lists Bug 25708 and using inclusive language
13:54 ashimema      hehe
13:54 tuxayo        ashimema++
13:54 ashimema      next :)
13:54 Joubu         #action ashimema write a guideline about mandatory 'maincontent' class (OPAC)
13:54 ashimema      ok.. brill
13:54 ashimema      #action ashimema to draft the first 'Accessibility' guideline; All OPAC pages require a single 'maincontent' classed block.
13:53 marcelr       +1
13:52 ashimema      I'll draft up a guideline for us to vote next meeting.. sound fair?
13:52 ashimema      sounds like people are generally onboard then..
13:52 ashimema      lol
13:52 Joubu         you are close to get another action ashimema
13:52 ashimema      this would just be the first of a few such guidelines I'm likely to suggest whilst I go through my massive report
13:52 tuxayo        +1
13:52 tuxayo        > 'Accessibility' section of the guidelines
13:51 ashimema      perhaps we could even do with an 'Accessibility' section of the guidelines.. it's becoming more and more internationally important as far as I'm aware
13:51 Joubu         at first glance I think we can have a test in the QA script easily
13:51 oleonard      +1
13:50 ashimema      and then enforcing at at the QA level.. if we can
13:50 ashimema      so.. I wanted to propose adding a guideline as such
13:50 ashimema      it become additional important with my work on bug 22807, which adds 'Skip to main content' links for added accessability which utilise these classes
13:49 ashimema      but.. we haven't consistently ensured each page has one such class
13:49 ashimema      it looks like we started add 'maincontent' classes to pages a while back to aid in displaying the main part of the page when collapsed for small screens
13:48 ashimema      another case of the accessibility work highlighting some area's we've been missing in QA
13:48 Joubu         ashimema: did you add this one?
13:48 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22807 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Signed Off , Accessibility: Add 'Skip to Main Content' link
13:48 Joubu         #topic We should require all OPAC pages always contain a single 'maincontent' class to denote the main content of the page Bug 22807
13:47 Joubu         #topic Review of coding guidelines
13:47 ashimema      happy to move on
13:47 tcohen        ah, you're correct
13:47 Joubu         I was thinking "post/put"
13:47 Joubu         indeed
13:47 tcohen        Joubu now we can embed things, how a translated description will be fetched needs to be thought at the root of this
13:46 Joubu         ok, moving on?
13:46 * ashimema    is hopeing jajm will pick up the translations bug again.. it felt like he was making some foor progress on that alternative implimentation
13:46 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20307 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, BLOCKED , Language overlay for authorized values
13:46 tcohen        bug 20307
13:46 Joubu         tcohen: translations is another endpoing IMO
13:45 Joubu         or, the patches on the bug report you mean?
13:45 Joubu         there is no current implementation
13:45 ashimema      av is a very hard area
13:45 tcohen        and design should consider translations which is something that is waiting on the queue
13:45 ashimema      I'm only quickly looked at the av bug.. but I agree it needs a level of routing which I think the current implimentation doesn't have.. but I need to test it before really commenting deeply.
13:44 tcohen        Joubu I'm not sure about that, auth values is specially tricky IMHO
13:43 * ashimema    supports implementing things piecemeal if it means things actually end up in.. all too often we see 'all or nothing'.. and then you end up with nothing.
13:43 tcohen        forget about how it was going to be used, so when we needed to used to routes, they lacked many things
13:43 Joubu         Do we need to review the other (if exist) endpoint RFCs?
13:43 tcohen        one of the errors we made at the beginning of the API development was to
13:42 tcohen        then just implement that
13:42 tcohen        is a POST to add a new value to a category
13:42 tcohen        that if the only thing that is going to be used
13:42 tcohen        and I also suggested on the bug
13:42 tcohen        so I proposed a simpler implementation, changing the routes design
13:41 tcohen        you can only query all auth values in a simple way if you are a superlibrarian
13:41 tcohen        if it needs to acknowledge permissions, library limits and will probably not be used
13:41 tcohen        will be complicated to implement
13:40 Joubu         #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Authorised_values_endpoint_RFC
13:40 tcohen        but overall, the problem here is that having a general /authorised_values route
13:40 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17390 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Add REST API endpoint for Authorised Values
13:40 Joubu         bug 17390
13:40 tcohen        and the guidelines
13:40 tcohen        the RFC needs some love in terms of attribute names
13:39 tcohen        I noticed a pattern on the authorised values logic that would complicate implementing the original RFC: library limits
13:38 ashimema      I think we need guidelines as to what the consistency is before we can clearly work towards it.. that's kinda my point here
13:38 tcohen        LOL
13:38 Joubu         thanks tcohen
13:38 oleonard      Thanks tcohen
13:38 wahanui       somebody said tcohen was the man you want to thank
13:38 Joubu         tcohen?
13:38 Joubu         #topic Routes for authorised values (RFC)
13:38 Joubu         ok
13:37 oleonard      The grid markup is completely changed, the page structure overall is basically the same. I did some work on improving consistency but it wasn't my primary goal
13:36 Joubu         oleonard: does the move to bootstrap 4 modifies/unifies the structures?
13:36 marcelr       [on]
13:36 ashimema      ;)
13:36 ashimema      move on Joubu
13:36 ashimema      but it would be nice to get our existing pages more consistent
13:36 talljoy       [off] turns off her computer
13:36 tcohen        [off] Just pick a damn toolkit and ...
13:36 oleonard      [off] ;)
13:36 ashimema      you are indeed correct..
13:36 oleonard      [off] Koha is done. Shut it all down!
13:35 ashimema      okies..
13:35 tcohen        [off] In fac twe should stop creating pages ;-)
13:35 ashimema      tcohen I love that idea.. but don't have a clue where to start on that front ;)
13:35 Joubu         we don't create many new pages :)
13:35 ashimema      as dcook mentioned.. using the WRAPPER tt directive could help a bit
13:34 Joubu         #action open a bug report to introduce the idea of having a "skeleton" template we could copy for new pages
13:34 tcohen        koha-template --name somepage --include holds, datatable --target opac --dest-dir .
13:34 marcelr       with includes and block processing fun ?
13:33 ashimema      I'm not sure how many different structures we have.. and if we should have lots of different structures to be honest ;)
13:33 oleonard      Correct
13:33 ashimema      and of course.. with some OPAC examples as well as staff
13:32 Joubu         Don't we have different structures? Only one template won't be enough in that case
13:32 ashimema      that's exactly the sort of thing I was thinking oleonard.. but perhaps at the koha repo level as a file
13:32 ashimema      ooh..
13:32 oleonard      ...but having a complete example would be good
13:32 ashimema      sounds great to me tcohen
13:32 oleonard      There is some documentation on page structure here, but specific to the staff interface: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Interface_patterns#Page_layouts
13:32 ashimema      be good to have a template and use it in the guidelines
13:31 ashimema      we're very inconsistent with heading nesting levels and things
13:31 tcohen        like yeoman, but targetting Koha uses: templates, Koha::Object classes
13:31 Joubu         a koha-lite with simple stuffs and examples to follow
13:31 oleonard      mtj: Don't congratulate me until after testing :)
13:31 ashimema      it was mostly thinking aloud
13:31 mtj           congrats on the opac bootstrap-4 stuff, oleonard++
13:31 tcohen        we could have  an extra project, that allows us to scaffold things
13:30 Joubu         yes, that
13:30 Joubu         (we don't have city at the OPAC)
13:30 ashimema      indeed.. but city is only staff side.. I'm thinking opac side
13:30 ashimema      best practices
13:30 ashimema      I wanted to suggest we ship a 'template' template.. at least for the opac, which can be used as a starting point when developers want to add new pages..
13:30 Joubu         ashimema: we use to have the "city" code as an example
13:30 cait1         sorry, have to run - will read back later
13:29 ashimema      well.. whilst going through templates for accessibility fixing reasons i noted how much disparity there is
13:29 talljoy       yay!
13:29 cait1         :)
13:29 * oleonard    crosses his fingers
13:28 oleonard      My hope is that my Bootstrap 4 work will be approved soon enough that we should wait until after that
13:28 Joubu         did you open a bug report already?
13:28 ashimema      ah yes
13:28 Joubu         ashimema: you added that
13:27 Joubu         the agenda says "We should add a generic example template for new pages in the OPAC (and perhaps staff client) that follows all the best current best practices to aid develops adding new pages. "
13:27 Joubu         #topic Generic example template for new pages in the OPAC
13:27 cait1         i will think about something until the end of the week
13:27 cait1         i can advertise both together on the mailing list
13:27 Joubu         it's a bit boring (imo) to test the UI, so better to test something else and notice UI changes/regressions :)
13:26 Joubu         the move to bootstrap 4 could be tested at the same time
13:26 ashimema      merge one sound like a good place to start :)
13:26 Joubu         #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...)
13:26 Joubu         yes sure, I rebased it last week so it will be easy
13:25 cait1         Joubu: can you make sure it's rebased for next week?
13:25 cait1         but we can also advertise outside of the qa team, doesn't hurt
13:25 Joubu         #action cait Organise a testing day for "big stuffs"
13:25 cait1         i will suggest as "bug of the week" and also suggest a time for gathering to test or 2
13:24 ashimema      sounds good
13:24 cait1         merge one first?
13:24 cait1         ashimema: that's a good suggestion
13:24 cait1         would fridays be generally suitable?
13:23 cait1         i thught i'd start a free doodle with some suggestions, but we can also just agree on times
13:23 cait1         sorry, demanded from all sites right now :)
13:23 Joubu         we could setup a branch with them applied, and test the branch?
13:23 tcohen        the task queue
13:23 ashimema      If you suggest a particular bug for a team effort each week in your newsletter cait, I would jump on board with joining the effort
13:23 tcohen        there's a couple really game changing ones like
13:22 Joubu         like we focus on 1 or 2 a given day?
13:21 Joubu         cait1: what did you have in mind?
13:21 tuxayo        (among other things)
13:21 tuxayo        For anyone out of the loop, I guess the bugzilla keywords RM_priority and rel_20_11_target are where they are.
13:21 tuxayo        > I won't list them, you know what they are
13:21 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20168 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Update of the OPAC bootstrap template to bootstrap v4
13:21 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20271 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Merge deleted biblio, biblioitems, biblio_metadata, and items tables
13:21 Joubu         #topic     Community testing events for 'big stuff' bugs (example: Bug 20271, Bug 20168)
13:21 cait1         that shoudl not keep anyone from looking at them anytime
13:20 Joubu         ha yes, we have something on the agenda about that!
13:20 marcelr       ok
13:20 cait1         eyes,... not exes
13:20 cait1         the idea is... give it lots of exes for an hour or so
13:20 Joubu         them*
13:20 Joubu         and most of see could get 2 pair of eyes from QA, don't wait for them to arrivein the QA queue
13:20 cait1         I was hoping to get some dates and tiems set for testing some of the bigger things in the community
13:19 * oleonard    's favorite window
13:19 Joubu         I won't list them, you know what they are
13:19 ashimema      :)
13:19 Joubu         it's time to focus on the big moves :)
13:19 tuxayo        yay :D
13:19 Joubu         But keep in mind that we are going to enter the "push all the big things" window
13:19 marcelr       there should be more fridays
13:19 cait1         i hope activity will increase a bit more
13:19 Joubu         yes it's nice to see activities on Friday
13:18 ashimema      :)
13:18 cait1         the Friday squad has grown :)
13:18 cait1         I am very happy with the team
13:18 ashimema      nice to see a slightly more even spread of QA between the team.. be nice to have a little more competition at the top of the leaderboard though ;)
13:18 cait1         work distracted
13:18 cait1         oh sorry
13:18 marcelr       ahh
13:17 Joubu         you*
13:17 Joubu         not your marcelr :D
13:17 marcelr       "new"
13:17 ashimema      lots of QA to do
13:17 Joubu         cait1 maybe? Are you happy with your new team? :)
13:17 tuxayo        Koha testing docker also is a great help
13:16 ashimema      doing a great job rmaints
13:16 tuxayo        Joubu: Not much in addition to the above message. The CI is a great help. And Mojo version issue don't impact oldoldstable :P
13:16 Joubu         #topic Updates from the QA team
13:15 Joubu         tuxayo: anything to add about 19.05?
13:14 tuxayo        vacation of lukeG1: only after the 18th IIRC, so two days to get them before the return on the 28th.
13:14 Joubu         And mtj is doing a great job to refresh the debian package repo to make it easier to maintain
13:13 Joubu         We are actively discuting with Rmaints to backport some important patches (related with the Mojo version issues)
13:13 tcohen        He's on vacation
13:13 tuxayo        I'm getting used to the workflow :) Let's see how the release goes.
13:13 Joubu         I will take over lukeG1 for 20.05.01 as he won't be around
13:12 Joubu         lukeG1 maybe?
13:12 Joubu         #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers
13:12 Joubu         that's why we will certainly keep gitstats, unless we found something else. gitstats is super old and not maintained
13:11 cait1         found it, it's at the bottom
13:11 Joubu         no, gitea does not provide the same views as we have now with gitstats
13:11 ashimema      yeah.. lets move on
13:11 cait1         i see incomplete german transaltion and cannot switch it
13:11 tuxayo        marcelr: wait, I mixed up, it seems not!
13:11 Joubu         moving on?
13:11 * ashimema    doesn't see a contributors tab
13:11 cait1         i think yo have other stuff to finish :P
13:11 * cait1       vetoes
13:11 ashimema      hehe
13:10 oleonard      Just what you need ashimema, new projects :D
13:10 marcelr       with github like stats ?
13:10 tuxayo        marcelr: yes
13:10 marcelr       looks like you have a contributors tab ?
13:10 * ashimema    has been thinking of learning Go.. perhaps I could add some gitstats inspired extras ;)
13:10 mtj           #info Mason James, NZ
13:10 Joubu         I can share an admin account to a test install I have if somebody wants to play with it
13:09 Joubu         they are nicer, but lack info
13:09 davidnind     https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/gitea
13:09 cait1         can you please add it to the list? (if there is one?
13:09 ashimema      under the activity tab no doubt
13:08 Joubu         There is not much alternatives however
13:08 ashimema      but I do like how they breakdown in theory.. I'm sure gittea has similar
13:08 cait1         i like them :)
13:08 tuxayo        ashimema: thanks, I fixed it via PM to wahanui to stop spaming here
13:08 ashimema      the current gitstats are a bit weird ;)
13:08 tcohen        gitea must have something like that
13:08 Joubu         cait1: it's gitstats, something different. That will be kept (either keep gitstats or replace with something a bit more fresh)
13:07 Joubu         Nothing much to tell, I am starting slowly to push things. Jenkins is back to green for master, and stable branches should get back to an happy state soon
13:07 cait1         does gitea have a similar feature or the ability that we can add that to the new server as well?
13:06 cait1         what happens to the git statistics?
13:06 ashimema      nothing from me
13:06 Joubu         #topic Update from the Release manager (20.11)
13:06 ashimema      see Joubu's.. it's subtly different tuxayo ;)
13:05 ashimema      loving this move and modernisation
13:05 wahanui       tuxayo: huh?
13:05 tuxayo        wahanui: why do you ignore me when I'm trying to fix my mistake!
13:05 ashimema      Joubu++
13:05 Joubu         something else?
13:05 tcohen        Joubu++
13:05 tuxayo        Joubu++
13:05 Joubu         I will send an email to the list in the next couple of weeks
13:05 Joubu         #info I am planning to upgrade and move our git server. The plan is to have a new server and suggest gitea as a replacement of the couple gitweb/gitolite
13:05 tuxayo        qa_team is cait Joubu marcelr kohaputti josef_moravec tcohen kidclamp khall ashimema alex_a jajm matts
13:03 tuxayo        Sorry Joubu
13:03 Joubu         Anyone have something?
13:03 tuxayo        oops
13:03 Joubu         #topic Announcements
13:03 wahanui       okay, tuxayo.
13:03 tuxayo        qa_team is also matts alex_a jajm
13:02 wahanui       okay, Joubu.
13:02 Joubu         no wahanui, qa_team is cait Joubu marcelr kohaputti josef_moravec tcohen kidclamp khall ashimema alex_a jajm matts
13:02 cait1         #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
13:02 HenryB        #info Henry Bolshaw, House of Lords Library, UK
13:02 ashimema      #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe.
13:02 wahanui       qa_team is cait Joubu marcelr kohaputti josef_moravec tcohen kidclamp khall
13:02 Joubu         qa_team?
13:02 wahanui       lukeG, aleisha, and tuxayo, I SUMMON THEE!!
13:02 Joubu         rmaints?
13:02 marcelr       #info Marcel de Rooy, Rijksmuseum, Netherlands
13:01 davidnind     #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand
13:01 talljoy       #info Joy Nelson, ByWater Solutions
13:01 oleonard      #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, Ohio, USA
13:01 tuxayo        #info tuxayo/Victor Grousset, France
13:01 huginn        Current chairs: Joubu ashimema cait1
13:01 Joubu         #chair ashimema
13:01 khall_        #info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions
13:01 huginn        Current chairs: Joubu cait1
13:01 Joubu         #chair cait1
13:00 tcohen        #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions
13:00 Joubu         #info Jonathan Druart
13:00 Joubu         #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_17_June_2020
13:00 Joubu         #topic Introductions
13:00 huginn        The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_17_june_2020'
13:00 huginn        Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
13:00 huginn        Meeting started Wed Jun 17 13:00:27 2020 UTC.  The chair is Joubu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
13:00 Joubu         #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 17 June 2020
12:57 marcelr       ok
12:57 oleonard      marcelr: Sounds like a good plan since we overlapped
12:56 mtj           hi folks, i am about...
12:55 marcelr       oleonard: any objection to let my signoff count as a pass qa for 18911 ?
12:54 marcelr       ok thx
12:54 tuxayo        dev meeting
12:54 tuxayo        After 5 min
12:54 tuxayo        o/ marcelr
12:54 tcohen        in 6 minutes or so
12:53 marcelr       meetings today ?
12:53 marcelr       hi #koha
12:51 tcohen        yes boss
12:50 Joubu         tcohen: can you let a note for aleisha on 24909 please?
12:49 tcohen        yes, your required me to write 25045 on QA, and so I think they go together
12:48 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25327 minor, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to master , Cannot access API spec
12:48 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25045 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to master , Add a way to restrict anonymous access to public routes (OpacPublic behaviour)
12:48 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24909 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to oldstable , Add unprivileged route to get a bibliographic record
12:48 Joubu         tcohen: about bug 24909 - do you mean 19.11 should embed bug 25045 and bug 25327 as well?
12:41 nugged        okay
12:34 Joubu         nugged: Hi, could you open an "omnibus" bug report to group the warnings removal bugs?
12:27 Joubu         the event in the calendar is ok for me
12:27 ashimema      okies
12:27 cait1         see you in half an hour
12:27 ashimema      google is doing strange conversions thatn
12:26 Joubu         13UTC is in 30min
12:26 cait1         5pm for general
12:26 ashimema      1pm Dev Meeting, 3pm General meeting
12:26 cait1         i have the same on the website and in the wiki
12:26 ashimema      it says 1pm or me
12:26 cait1         says it#s in half an hour to me :)
12:26 ashimema      the calendar is wrong then
12:25 cait1         https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Koha+Developers+IRC+Meeting&iso=20200617T1300
12:25 cait1         so half an hour?
12:25 tcohen        hi
12:25 cait1         i had 3pm
12:24 ashimema      rmaints
12:24 ashimema      tcohen
12:24 ashimema      cait
12:24 ashimema      Joubu
12:24 wahanui       rumour has it meeting is over :)
12:24 ashimema      meeting?
12:24 ashimema      erm
11:38 tuxayo        o/ alex2
11:27 ashimema      damn.. I didn't finish the actions improvements on the meeting script yet
11:26 ashimema      I see
11:26 ashimema      hehe
11:26 cait1         yep, that's why are are configuring IRC :)
11:26 ashimema      ooh.. soon
11:25 wahanui       rumour has it next meeting is https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Next_IRC_meetings
11:25 ashimema      next meeting?
11:25 ashimema      alex2, nice to have you aboard :)
11:24 wahanui       QA team are the real gatekeepers, send cookies their way
11:24 cait1         QA team?
11:24 wahanui       irc regulars is https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars
11:24 cait1         irc regulars?
11:24 cait1         :)
11:23 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20555 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , usage() function in cleanup_database.pl needs refactoring
11:23 cait1         bug 20555
11:23 oleonard      Hi alex2, welcome!
11:23 alex2         hello
11:22 cait1         please welcome my new'ish coworker alex2 :)
11:15 oleonard      Hi #koha
10:51 tcohen        morning
09:37 ashimema      servers OOMing before completion and yeah.. it taking hours
09:37 ashimema      we're regularly loading those sorts of numbers and are finding it increasingly difficult
09:37 ashimema      do you also find it eats a huge amount of memory vfernandes?
09:12 vfernandes    the ES reindex using 4 process is quick... the import not so much
09:10 vfernandes    magnuse: yes, i know but still far from the record 1M import :)
09:07 magnuse       vfernandes: that is a lot of records ;-)
08:51 Joubu         gmcharlt_: Hi Galen, do you remember how is triggered the huginn notifications after a push to the Koha repo?
08:43 vfernandes    how we can speed up bulkmarcimport? yesterday importing 350k (large) records took around 5 hours (+ ES indexing after)
08:40 vfernandes    hi #koha
08:39 TimothyAlexis Thank you dcook for letting me know this. I will send a /msg
08:01 fridolin      ^^
07:59 ashimema      hahaha.. I was thinking the same there fridolin
07:36 magnuse       \o/
07:36 fridolin      C# ooooh reminds me when I was young and foolish ;)
07:35 fridolin      hello world
07:35 dcook         Might be back later while messing around with writing and compiling C# apps on Linux... because why not...
07:34 dcook         Peace oot, #koha
07:32 * dcook       laughs and cries simultaneously
07:31 dcook         And the problem was Memcached had cached the koha-conf.xml settings
07:31 dcook         I just spent ages... looked at the source code for MySQL/MariaDB
07:31 dcook         Oh man... lol
07:23 dcook         Anyway, back to guessing why DBD::mysql isn't finding the right unix socket on OpenSuse..
07:22 dcook         Or I guess it doesn't need it because it might just be baked into the Perl anyway..
07:18 dcook         Plack::Middleware::ReverseProxy would probably pass the environmental variable from Apache to the Plack app... and maybe it has some special handling for PERL5LIB..
07:17 dcook         I guess Starman must not know about it, and it must be added only at Request time..
07:14 dcook         That'll be from Apache I guess.. but then why doesn't it get duplicated..
07:13 dcook         Oh wait..
07:11 dcook         Not sure where that first "/usr/share/koha/lib" is coming from...
07:11 pastebot      "dcook" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "bug 25778" (44 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/22844
07:10 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25778 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , koha-plack --restart causes PERL5LIB to grow with duplicate entries
07:10 dcook         There might still be one thing I'm missing for Bug 25778 though..
07:09 dcook         Just ran out to stop from being locked in for the night
07:09 dcook         Heh
07:09 dcook         My boss almost locked me in the office using an external lock
07:09 dcook         That's OK. I'm glad that I wasn't 100% in this window.
07:08 Joubu         waking up :)
07:08 Joubu         ok, I got it
07:07 Joubu         but l.395 is hit in both cases I'd say
07:06 dcook         I might be missing something still, but that was my best guess, Joubu
07:06 dcook         It doesn't use the current PERL5LIB. It just  replaces it with $KOHA_HOME
07:06 dcook         adjust_paths_dev_install
07:05 dcook         Oh, because in the dev env it overwrites the whole of PERL5LIB in that one function... I'll point to it in a sec
07:05 * dcook       looks at bugzilla
07:05 Joubu         dcook: 25778 - why not in dev env?
07:05 dcook         If you prefix that message with "@later tell", then when that user speaks later, they'll get your message then
07:04 dcook         TimothyAlexis: It's about 3am for InLibro I think ;)
06:50 reiveune      hello
06:45 alex_a        Bonjour
06:37 TimothyAlexis inlibro, we have the carrousel plugin in our library on the main page, thank you for sharing. :) Where would be a proper place to suggest improvements or perhaps better, contribute?
04:55 dcook         Happy for someone with more patience than me to work on it.. heh
04:55 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25778 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , koha-plack --restart causes PERL5LIB to grow with duplicate entries
04:55 dcook         Bug 25778
04:48 dcook         Ah there: PERL5LIB=$PERL5LIB:$KOHA_HOME/installer:$KOHA_HOME/lib/installer
04:47 dcook         Or somehow the PERL5LIB var..
04:47 dcook         Ah I bet it's koha-plack...
04:45 dcook         and /usr/share/koha/lib/installer" duplicate entries...
04:45 dcook         Seeing an increasing number of "/usr/share/koha/installer
04:45 dcook         Curious if anyone else has noticed a bug in the "Perl @INC" in /cgi-bin/koha/about.pl...
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