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22:22 wahanui       Congratulations!
22:22 koha-jenkins  Yippee, build fixed!
22:18 aleisha       http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/19.11.x
22:15 tuxayo        Thanks, I will ask them if everything they planned had made it to 19.11
22:05 aleisha       no worries tuxayo i am still catching up too :) i believe you can backport bug 22522. Joubu or tcohen may be able to answer  more accurately?
22:03 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22522 critical, P1 - high, ---, ere.maijala, Pushed to stable , API authentication breaks with updated Mojolicious version
22:03 tuxayo        IIUC I can backport bug 22522 when I reach it? (still few patchset to catch up)
22:03 tuxayo        hi aleisha o/
21:44 aleisha       yup! will try and catch things up for the first release if i can :)
21:32 cait          because I just see it i my inbox, it was: [Koha-devel] No translation updates on 19.11.x since 19.11.03?
21:23 cait          thx :)
21:22 aleisha       thanks cait i hadn't seen that. will keep in mind
21:22 cait          not sure what's going on there. could you keep it in mind for your first release maybe?
21:21 cait          aleisha: did you see the mail on the mailing list about no translation updates on 19.11 for a while?
21:13 cait          hm i think i tried to make them them same on translating - some includes are used often, othres might be single use, not sure about that one
21:02 caroline      are inc files supposed to be used everywhere? Example, I'm translating patronfields.inc, are those strings eventually going to be all over Koha wherever a patron is mentioned? I'm asking because the strings are not the same as what is currently in moremember
20:58 aleisha       hi caroline :)
20:58 caroline      hi aleisha!
20:58 aleisha       hello
20:16 tuxayo        "Replay of 19.05.10.003 upgrade that initially had a typo to ensure the changes are done"
20:16 tuxayo        Looking for advice about a DB upgrade message. Does the following looks good?
19:43 cait          you beat me with filing it :)
19:42 cait          i actually had this on my typo list from translating too
19:42 caroline      thanks!
19:42 cait          i'd say so :)
19:42 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25717 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Improve messages for automatic renewal errors
19:42 caroline      bug 25717
19:42 cait          can you repeat?
19:41 caroline      cait so would my message be ok?
19:40 cait          so you start like 3 days before due date to try auto_renewals
19:39 cait          if you due_date + 10 days... and do that every day.. thatwould be bad
19:39 cait          and also because you add to the end of the due date
19:39 huginn        oleonard: The operation succeeded.
19:39 oleonard      @later tell ashimema Remind me to ask you about Bug 25240 when you're back on the clock
19:39 cait          the too early comes from not wanting to renew the item all the time
19:39 cait          :)
19:29 caroline      lol!!
19:28 oleonard      ...I very deliberately avoid understanding how fines work in Koha
19:28 caroline      Ok I thought patrons had fines
19:27 oleonard      A checkout can have a fine
19:26 caroline      Currently, it says "Item has an outstanding fine", but I don't think items can have fines...
19:26 caroline      oleonard, can you tell me what has_fine is for (since you found the auto_too_late)
19:24 caroline      thanks oleonard++ :)
19:23 oleonard      yes
19:22 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25717 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Improve messages for automatic renewal errors
19:22 caroline      bug 25717 makes sense?
19:21 oleonard      Anyway, that's probably enough info to compose a clearer string.
19:21 oleonard      I understand how a fixed date is useful, but I don't know about the days option.
19:20 oleonard      caroline, it's from the "no automatic renewal after" circulation rule
19:14 oleonard      whoa
19:14 huginn        oleonard: AndrewIsh was last seen in #koha 50 weeks, 0 days, 5 hours, 39 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <AndrewIsh> Thanks for bringing the ILL template out of the dark ages
19:14 oleonard      @seen AndrewIsh
19:12 * caroline    has never used automatic renewal, so what does she know...
19:11 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest build #323: SUCCESS in 46 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest/323/
19:11 caroline      I have no idea why, though... maybe we dont want the item to be renewed like 24h before the automatic renewal?
19:10 caroline      I think whoever wrote it copied the auto_too_soon string and didn't reread the sentence
19:10 oleonard      Why would it be too late to renew something?
19:09 caroline      so too late is cannot be renewed anymore
19:09 caroline      auto_too_soon is Scheduled for automatic renewal and cannot yet be renewed
19:08 caroline      or cannot be renewed anymore?
19:08 caroline      Well it's for auto_too_late so I'm thinking it's supposed to say "Scheduled for automatic renewal and cannot yet be renewed"
19:08 oleonard      caroline do you understand what it's supposed to say?
19:07 caroline      otherwise I'll try to correct it sometime
19:06 caroline      its in 	intranet-tmpl/prog/en/includes/renew_strings.inc if someone is in that neighbourhood
19:05 caroline      it cannot BE anymore! *dramatic arm over brow*
19:04 oleonard      That is nonsensical
19:03 caroline      Is this an error? It reads really weird "Scheduled for automatic renewal and cannot yet be any more"
18:45 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_19.05_U18 build #231: FIXED in 40 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_U18/231/
18:45 wahanui       Congratulations!
18:45 koha-jenkins  Yippee, build fixed!
18:45 tuxayo        "Replay of 19.05.10.003 upgrade that initially had a typo to ensure the changes are done"
18:44 tuxayo        Looking for advice about a DB upgrade message. Does the following looks good?
18:36 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_19.05_D9 build #230: FIXED in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_D9/230/
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18:25 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_U20 build #16: SUCCESS in 44 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U20/16/
18:25 tuxayo        tcohen++
18:25 tuxayo        thanks for spotting this
18:24 tcohen        LA what you mean adding an SSL cert? i.e. do you have a cert you want to add, or are planning on using Letsencrypt
18:12 LA            That's what I was unsure of. Didn't know if I could just do a CLI based import through Debian or if I had to somehow do it from Koha.
18:11 oleonard      LA have you looked for Debian-specific documentation on that? It's not strictly a Koha question
18:08 LA            Is there any documentation out there for adding an SSL cert to my instance? (Running Debian)
18:04 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_19.05_D8 build #236: SUCCESS in 30 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_D8/236/
17:58 tcohen        just change the number
17:58 tcohen        totally
17:58 tuxayo        tcohen: IIUC the SQL is already idempotent so I just have the copy the old DB rev?
17:52 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest build #322: SUCCESS in 54 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest/322/
17:52 oleonard      It's not a big deal, I was just curious about how some features have changed
17:49 oleonard      I'd like to test a really old version like 3.22 tcohen, not sure if that can be done
17:49 tcohen        oleonard: which Koha version specifically?
17:49 tuxayo        tcohen: Oh, a new DB rev that retries the same SQL, but fixed?
17:49 oleonard      Travel back into the mists of time
17:48 tcohen        oleonard what are you trying to do?
17:47 oleonard      So I guess there is a limit to how far back one can go
17:47 oleonard      Thanks tuxayo, I just dug this link out of email: https://hub.docker.com/r/koha/koha-testing/tags
17:47 tcohen        so, a new dbrev is needd
17:47 tcohen        i.e. it isn't on my DB, and when 19..05.12 is released it won't try again
17:47 tcohen        otherwise the syspref will be missing
17:47 tcohen        you should add a new dbrev
17:46 tcohen        but for people that already faced the issue like me
17:46 tuxayo        tcohen: the docker image repo?
17:46 tcohen        tuxayo it seems lukeG addressed it 0578902e9151f66763b05da58db6387c753fdb93
17:45 tuxayo        export KOHA_IMAGE=19.05-stretch ; ku-md9 ; kd # RMaint
17:45 tuxayo        oleonard: Yes, here is what I use to RMaint 19.05.x
17:42 tcohen        I've just updated from the community repo
17:42 tuxayo        tcohen: which build?
17:40 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_D9_My8 build #347: SUCCESS in 49 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_My8/347/
17:40 tuxayo        :o
17:39 pastebot      "tcohen" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "tuxayo" (21 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/22291
17:38 oleonard      Do I change .env, the KOHA_IMAGE parameter?
17:37 oleonard      If I wanted to start up koha-testing-docker with a different version than master what do I do?
17:37 Joubu         got 1 new random failure, awesome..
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17:21 ashimema      Party
17:19 reiveune      bye
17:13 tcohen        Joubu++ # jenkins back to green
16:57 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_D11 build #14: FIXED in 51 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11/14/
16:57 wahanui       Congratulations!
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16:33 ashimema      should it be NSO?
16:33 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11426 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Make HighlightOwnItemsOnOPAC work with XSLT
16:33 ashimema      anyone understand the current state of bug 11426 ?
16:20 caroline      yeah there is already french in there, one more reason I was skeptical
16:20 cait          i think biblibre did the ils-di, so it looks like a french record?
16:19 cait          the in-built documentation pages (sorry if I don't make sense)
16:19 cait          it's actually xml...
16:19 cait          which most likely a technical person will look at - it should be ok
16:19 caroline      cait: ok thanks!
16:18 cait          from
16:18 cait          they are frm the examples for the ils-di interface
16:18 cait          caroline: just copy them
16:18 cait          oh oops, should scroll down first, was referrng to cover code
16:18 cait          having them more centralized would be lovely
16:17 caroline      There are even library infos "Bibliothèque Jean Prunier" "Secteur Adulte"
16:16 caroline      wth??
16:16 caroline      I am very skeptical about this string to translate https://translate.koha-community.org/fr_CA/20.05/translate/#filter=incomplete&unit=14476806&offset=0
16:12 oleonard      Maybe after lunch...
16:10 ashimema      lol
16:09 oleonard      ...also rewriting the entirety of all cover-image services would be great, just for quick fix :D
16:09 ashimema      :)
16:08 oleonard      ...but certainly fixing the cover-handling would improve the way the focus appears
16:08 ashimema      fun
16:08 oleonard      ashimema I think the focus style might be both browser and OS-dependent :/
16:07 ashimema      I should write up the bug and come back to it tomorrow
16:07 ashimema      but that doesn't entirely make sense to me.. perhaps it's just late and my brain has packed up
16:07 ashimema      they seem to suggest a hover css class
16:07 ashimema      indeed.. so it's dashed in firefox.. in chrome it's more apparent as it's a solid black border on focus
16:06 oleonard      Regarding the focus, this is what I see in Firefox: https://zivotdesign.com/p/view.php?p=15918915381810
16:05 ashimema      interesting
16:04 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 25538: Don't run search_utf8.t if KOHA_*_URL empty <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7c4d2444057dd2f8ae613ad73328f880258810c7>
16:04 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 25538: Use sudo -i in koha-shell <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e5ffbb4dd4c3b616f715b74a9091e73e48ff0715>
16:04 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 25538: Default to --login|-i if no command passed <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c9be26ad5ac7615f2f723900dfd16d83d71b66fe>
16:03 oleonard      The JS which is supposed to replace an Amazon.com 1x1 pixel cover image doesn't seem to work in the shelf browser
15:59 ashimema      the page is public and config hasn't changed since the test
15:59 ashimema      https://commonslibrarytest.koha-ptfs.co.uk/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=217679&shelfbrowse_itemnumber=247064#holdings
15:59 ashimema      looks like Amazon
15:59 ashimema      erm..
15:58 oleonard      ashimema do you know which image service was being used during the test?
15:58 Joubu         I am going to push it :)
15:57 ashimema      awesome
15:57 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25538 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , www/search_utf8.t is failing randomly
15:57 ashimema      aha.. bug 25538 just went PQA
15:56 * ashimema    is growing tired.. think I should do something else for the last few minutes of my work day
15:56 ashimema      maybe that's a chrome thing
15:56 ashimema      if I tab through the blank area IS highlighted
15:55 ashimema      to be honest.. I can't replicate the issue for keyboard focus
15:55 ashimema      determine where their focus is on the page.
15:55 ashimema      not highlighted by a visible focus indicator. This means that some users may be unable to
15:55 ashimema      >Where items displayed on the ‘Book shelf’ do not include cover images, keyboard focus is
15:55 ashimema      [off] Page 105
15:54 ashimema      though they suggest something else entirely
15:54 ashimema      I think so..
15:54 Joubu         what is the complaint?
15:54 oleonard      ashimema: That it should?
15:54 ashimema      another complaint from the accessibility report
15:54 Joubu         ha
15:53 oleonard      It depends on the cover image service
15:53 Joubu         yes
15:53 ashimema      or am I imagining that?
15:53 ashimema      didn't we used to show a 'No image found' image or similar when a cover image wasn't found for the shelf browser?
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14:11 wahanui       Congratulations!
14:11 koha-jenkins  Yippee, build fixed!
13:33 tuxayo        yes Joubu o/
13:32 Joubu         tuxayo: around?
13:19 cait          i didn#t check that closely, but was pretty sure about the function after a grep
13:18 cait          possibly :)
13:12 oleonard      Good point cait. Do you think I should also remove the opac-downloadcart template? It is now bypassed entirely
13:05 cait          has time
13:04 cait          nm  - commented on the bug
13:03 cait          like removing downloadBasket()
13:02 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25402 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Put OPAC cart download options into dropdown menu
13:02 cait          oleonard: looking at bug 25402 - i wonder why i am not seeing some code removed for the modal?
13:00 cait          time for apple pie here soon (making one)
13:00 cait          have fun
12:58 ashimema      right.. time for that walk
12:58 ashimema      thanks
12:58 ashimema      sounds up my street given the stuff I'm doing at the minute
12:57 cait          ashimema: an easy one i can't touch Bug 24405        - Links in facets are styled differently than other links on the results page in OPAC
12:57 * ashimema    likes the gitstats.. be nice to put a selection of those in a pretty form on the dashboard I reckon
12:56 ashimema      author of the month has also slipped through my fingers.. grr
12:56 cait          but also qa'ing some things i had filed and stuff i had already started on
12:56 ashimema      lol
12:56 cait          ashimema: that's the idea ;)
12:54 ashimema      perfect english
12:53 ashimema      ;)
12:53 ashimema      oh noes.. that'll make it even harder for me to catch up if you're grabbing the easy ones.. haha
12:53 cait          get the hang of it again..?
12:53 cait          hm htat probably was no proper english
12:53 cait          just trying to get a grip of it again :)
12:53 cait          picking some more or less low hanging fruit for now
12:52 ashimema      dang.. I have some catching up to do again now to keep up with cait
12:50 ashimema      It'll be nice to move away from headings for a while.. though that one looks 'interesting'
12:50 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25240 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Accessibility: The 'Basket' page contains an inaccessible table
12:50 ashimema      I'm heading out for a quick walk before I attack bug 25240
12:49 ashimema      :)
12:49 oleonard      Sure
12:48 ashimema      I'm happy to be guided with regards to how we end up styling it
12:48 ashimema      though, as you say.. we can target it directly anyway
12:48 ashimema      I was still aiming to replace it with 'lead' or something different altogether
12:47 ashimema      interestingly.. I thought it had had an effect though
12:47 ashimema      I had a feeling something like that might bite me
12:47 dcook         Or maybe it is the OpenAPI plugin after all..
12:47 * dcook       twitches
12:47 cait          Cookie “CGISESSID” will be soon rejected because it has the “sameSite” attribute set to “none” or an invalid value, without the “secure” attribute. To know more about the “sameSite“ attribute, read https://developer.mozilla.org/docs/Web/HTTP/Headers/Set-Cookie/SameSite
12:47 cait          hm is this something we shoud lworry about?
12:46 oleonard      ashimema: I think we can just drop the h3 class, but maybe you'd prefer to replace it with something else. We can target .results_summary.author in the CSS
12:46 * dcook       should blame himself more often heh
12:46 dcook         My fault
12:46 dcook         Ohd erp
12:45 dcook         Parameters marked as not required but it's requiring them anyway :S
12:45 dcook         Ugh, this OpenAPI plugin is... interesting..
12:45 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25237 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Needs Signoff , Accessibility: The 'Author details' in the full record display contains semantically incorrect headings
12:45 oleonard      No, rush ashimema, I just wanted to comment about Bug 25237... the "h3" class isn't in the particular compilation of Bootstrap 3 we use
12:45 dcook         kidclamp: I'll make a note to look at that again when it's not super late at night heh
12:44 ashimema      Just lunching.. but around
12:44 wahanui       salut, ashimema
12:44 ashimema      Hi
12:44 cait          y
12:40 oleonard      ashimema still around?
12:40 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25549 normal, P5 - low, ---, nick, Needs Signoff , Install plugin script/method should remove broken plugins
12:40 kidclamp      *cough* bug 25549 *cough*
12:40 dcook         Oh maybe it's just the plugin_methods table..
12:39 dcook         where did that get stored..
12:39 dcook         Ahh I'm running into the external koha plugin metadata thing...
12:38 cait          i'll try to add a comment ot that later
12:37 kidclamp      I see your point cait, my nit liking it is outweighed by my laziness, will update the name when I can
12:35 cait          q
12:34 cait          just keep fixing things is boring :)
12:34 cait          you all get glared at this release for capitalization and terminology
12:34 * cait        glares a little at Joubu for capitalization
12:34 cait          the libraries complained they don#t want to see it in the normal view AND on the tab
12:33 cait          520 is another example
12:33 cait          we definitely use it for the reason above
12:33 cait          oleonard: because the content is hard to compare, we could only do set / not set maybe
12:32 cait          502 for example
12:32 cait          the denylist helps avoid double up
12:32 cait          kidclamp: there is another reason - some notes show in the xslt
12:31 * oleonard    wonders why the pref isn't listed here https://hea.koha-community.org/systempreferences
12:31 kidclamp      ah, it doesn't work on the staff side
12:30 kidclamp      I am making wild assumption here that they didn't affect this tab at some point
12:30 kidclamp      *sigh* sure - but that sounds like an issue with the frameworks editor beign hard to use. Having two ways to do things is...not good?  The pref itself says "For hiding fields from other pages like the normal view, use the visibility settings for subfields in the MARC bibliographic frameworks section of the administration module."
12:29 AndrewFH      (have never really looked at or thought about this syspref, so I'm just thinkin' aloud)
12:29 AndrewFH      but managing it through frameworks would require one to change it in all frameworks one is using, though, right? whereas the syspref gives you one place to change it universally?
12:25 kidclamp      hiding the field in the framework hides it on the note tab
12:25 kidclamp      cait: alternate proposal - this syspref is dumb
12:13 cait          kidclamp: commented on the bug meanwhile, do you want to have quick look?
12:12 kidclamp      yeah, I amopen to anything for the name
12:06 cait          kidclamp: around maybe?
12:05 oleonard      I like that
12:05 cait          i'd probably have gone with somthin glike OpacNotestoHide or so
12:04 oleonard      A made-up single word
12:04 cait          hm actually on... i guess i read it wrong, denylist is one word, right?
12:03 cait          NotesDenylist
12:03 cait          but i am a bit concerned about the new name
12:03 cait          I am all for removing the NotesBlacklist pref
11:59 ashimema      awesome oleonard
11:59 * oleonard    already has those changes added to a Bootstrap 4 branch FYI
11:57 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22807 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Signed Off , Accessibility: Add 'Skip to Main Content' link
11:57 ashimema      bug 22807 will be a really nice addition to Koha
11:57 cait          ah ok, i put patcheson it... stlil needhelp there then
11:57 ashimema      there's a few hopefully non-contentious ones in here now 😉 https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/showdependencygraph.cgi?id=23003
11:57 cait          going to work on that ow
11:56 cait          david has signed off
11:56 cait          oh actualy it's nt true fo rhte second one
11:56 ashimema      :)
11:56 cait          just putting it into this channel :)
11:56 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11994 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Fix OpenSearch discovery in the OPAC
11:56 ashimema      bug 11994
11:56 ashimema      yeah.. I'll be back on QA soon
11:56 cait          or 11994
11:56 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25553 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Edit item date sort does not sort correctly
11:56 cait          like bug 25553
11:56 cait          there are also some that i can't do because signef off on
11:55 ashimema      cheeky bugger ;)
11:55 ashimema      nooo
11:55 cait          heh keep refreshing ;)
11:55 ashimema      challenge laid down :P
11:55 ashimema      pleasure.. it allowed me to knock you off top spot for the QA ranking this month now
11:55 ashimema      no worries cait..
11:54 cait          ashimema++ thank you
11:48 cait          morning tcohen
11:48 tcohen        morning
11:47 cait          thx, it's really an easy fix
11:45 ashimema      let me just submit this code then I'll take a look
11:45 ashimema      yup
11:44 cait          ashimema: can you take 5 mins to pass 25507 for me? ;)
11:44 ashimema      then decided h3 was wrong too.. because semantically what it contains really isn't a heading at all.. it's a label
11:43 ashimema      but I was correcting it semantically to h3..
11:43 ashimema      not h3
11:43 ashimema      it's originally h5
11:43 ashimema      ah sorry..
11:42 oleonard      http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/bootstrap/en/xslt/MARC21slim2OPACDetail.xsl;h=656c56bc30fbd15380c68360574c2ce319b72906;hb=HEAD
11:42 ashimema      adding `h3` in as a class actually looks pretty nice
11:42 ashimema      and the other 'showAuthor' block waay below
11:41 ashimema      <!-- Author Statement: Alternate Graphic Representation (MARC 880) -->
11:40 ashimema      MARC21slim2OPACDetail.xsl
11:40 oleonard      I don't see it
11:39 ashimema      yup
11:39 oleonard      Are you saying the "h3" is in the xslt?
11:39 ashimema      hmm.. suppose I best fix the bottom margin issues that causes at the local css level then
11:38 ashimema      so we agree `lead` feels right
11:38 cait          trying to catch up with things :)
11:37 oleonard      Yes
11:37 cait          is b4 the next one we are aiming for?
11:37 ashimema      it's actually in the xslt
11:37 ashimema      opac-detail
11:37 ashimema      but it's valid in bootstrap3
11:37 cait          which page is this?
11:37 ashimema      yeah.. I thought that too
11:37 cait          agree
11:36 oleonard      putting "h3" in the class doesn't feel right at all
11:36 ashimema      I think both may need a little tweeking in the css itself :(
11:36 ashimema      any preference between `<span class="results_summary author lead">` and `<span class="results_summary author h3>`
11:35 ashimema      if I want to replace the bad semantics of the details display for authors..
11:34 ashimema      oleonard.. bootstrap classes wise
11:34 ashimema      right.. soo
11:33 ashimema      Feel free to add more discussion points to the dev meeting agend.. please do infact
11:33 cait          oleonard: i think you started something a while ago, was also wondering about use of icons, and buttons... and stuff
11:33 ashimema      and a template for template going forward
11:33 cait          i recently changed/standardized in patron accoutn too (hopefully correctly, not sure now)
11:33 ashimema      we definitely should
11:33 cait          I wonder if we sould have this kin of thing in a style guide for templates
11:32 ashimema      I'll say
11:32 ashimema      lol
11:32 oleonard      ashimema: Nobody has been strict about heading tag usage, so you can assume that decisions were not made strategically.
11:24 ashimema      that could well be the case
11:24 ashimema      or am I totally not undertstanding the semantic point of the headings tags in the html spec
11:23 ashimema      maybe styled as important somehow.. but semantically they're really not headings at all are they?
11:23 ashimema      I wouldn't really say 'author' or 'contributor' should be headings at all
11:23 oleonard      It's the wild west out there ashimema
11:22 * ashimema    is a little confused as to why/how we're using headings tags in the record details display
11:22 ashimema      :)
11:22 cait          we just never finished
11:21 cait          but the way is paved for removal :)
11:21 cait          yep
11:21 ashimema      be nice to finish that
11:21 ashimema      yeah
11:20 cait          actually it looks like it's removed fully from staff, but still a bit blocked for opac
11:19 * ashimema    should work on that
11:19 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12561 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Omnibus: Deprecate non-XSLT detail and result views
11:19 cait          bug 12561
11:18 cait          and it believe we removed result listones?
11:18 cait          oleonard worked on one of them at least - oleonard++
11:18 cait          there are some ramaining things that don#t work with XSLT
11:18 cait          and we have been workig towards removal last release
11:17 cait          https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines#DEPR1:_non-XSLT_search_results_and_bib_display_templates_deprecated
11:17 cait          look at the codig guidelnes
11:17 cait          ashimema: we deprecated it yes
11:15 wahanui       darn tootin' it is.
11:15 dcook         Excellent
11:15 wahanui       space and time is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp0vr1n25u4
11:15 dcook         space and time?
11:15 dcook         Hmm..
11:15 dcook         space and time is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp0vr1n25u4
11:15 dcook         https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp0vr1n25u4
11:14 ashimema      lol
11:14 dcook         Actually I don't know what we're talking about
11:14 dcook         space not time
11:14 dcook         Well maybe deprecate but not remove?
11:14 dcook         ashimema: probably not
11:13 tuxayo        Thanks Joubu :)
11:12 ashimema      we never did deprecate non-xslt did we :(
11:11 ashimema      lol
11:11 wahanui       oleonard is probably happy for ashimema to write the release script
11:11 dcook         heya oleonard
11:07 oleonard      Hi all
11:03 dcook         I was thinking of doing my own translations along similar lines, but happy to copy this method and make it more stnadardized
11:02 cait          noone knows about it
11:02 cait          Joubu: i've ben tryint to get him to document that better for ages
11:01 dcook         Joubu++
11:01 dcook         Cheers, Joubu
11:01 dcook         Cool. Works for me.
11:00 dcook         Interesting
11:00 dcook         Ah interesting I was looking in Github but it was in Gitlab
11:00 Joubu         Koha/Plugin/Com/Theke/PayViaPayPal/i18n/
10:59 Joubu         koha-plugin-pay-via-paypal
10:58 dcook         I'll scan his repo
10:58 dcook         Hmm must've been a long time ago, as I don't recall
10:57 Joubu         he advertised it on the ML iirc
10:57 Joubu         implemented
10:57 Joubu         tcohen implement it in one of his plugin
10:56 dcook         Or point me at an example and I'll be happy to use that
10:56 dcook         Joubu: Tell me more?
10:56 Joubu         plugins are already translatable
10:56 dcook         Nice to know about this... I'll add it onto my growing list of things to work on
10:56 dcook         I'll keep that in mind
10:56 dcook         Something that needs work it seems
10:54 jajm          ideally we want to be able to search .mo files in multiple folders, i don't know if this is possible right now
10:53 jajm          dcook, omeka S could be used as inspiration too https://omeka.org/s/docs/developer/modules/internationalization/
10:53 dcook         I wonder about putting in some kind of placeholder..
10:53 cait          dcook: i believe we still have the english strings visible, which is helpful for translaitons,
10:52 dcook         For now, I'll probably just do my plugins in English, but I know folk do want to be able to translate them
10:52 cait          jajm: let's start small ;)
10:52 cait          it's quite limiting, as you need to fork now to translate - and it will be 'mono-lingual'
10:52 dcook         ^
10:52 dcook         DSpace does that quite well
10:52 jajm          cait, not having to copy template for koha "core" would great too :)
10:52 cait          i've always been sad that this is not something that was added form the start for plugins
10:51 dcook         And yeah in the plugin just use a msgid so that you're sourcing the right strings
10:51 cait          s
10:51 cait          ye
10:51 dcook         People should be able to send pull requests with translatoin files for a plugin
10:51 cait          and we need separate files so we can ship with translations
10:51 dcook         It doesn't make sense
10:50 cait          we don't want to keep copying template files for plugins
10:50 dcook         Yeah, I think cait is onto the right thing
10:50 cait          i still believe this is the way to go
10:50 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15395 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, RESOLVED FIXED, Internationalization: plural forms, context, and more
10:50 jajm          cait, i thought about plugins while writing bug 15395, but didn't figure how to do it properly
10:50 cait          well, install it
10:50 cait          it's generated when you translate a language
10:50 dcook         I don't see a misc/translator/po/xx_XX/LC_MESSAGES/Koha.mo file?
10:49 cait          so it woudl need to know where to look for plugins i guess
10:49 dcook         I'm still not sure I follow
10:49 cait          ship them with mo files
10:49 * dcook       scratches his head
10:49 cait          jajm: i was suggesting to use osmething like it for makig plugins translatable
10:49 cait          oh thanks jajm is here :)
10:49 jajm          dcook, it uses misc/translator/po/xx_XX/LC_MESSAGES/Koha.mo
10:49 cait          _base_directory
10:48 dcook         Like I'm not seeing how it knows what po files to use..
10:47 dcook         Although I'm not 100% sure how it will work..
10:47 dcook         I've been wanting something like this for so many years
10:47 dcook         But I like what I'm seeing overall
10:46 dcook         The Wiki doesn't really seem like the best place to put documentation to me?
10:46 cait          they are only wrappers
10:46 cait          https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Internationalization,_plural_forms,_context,_and_more_RFC
10:46 dcook         I18N.t and I18N.tx for instance are not intuitive at all and there are no code comments
10:45 dcook         Oh I mean the I18N.pm module itself heh
10:45 dcook         Reminds me of Java
10:45 cait          it's not badly documented, look at the wiki
10:45 dcook         Looks really badly documented, but I think I follow the code
10:45 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15395 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, RESOLVED FIXED, Internationalization: plural forms, context, and more
10:45 cait          bug 15395
10:44 cait          jajm would also know more
10:44 cait          well of the plugin 'package'
10:43 dcook         Hmm
10:43 cait          i tihnk they should be part of the plugn code
10:43 dcook         When does it pull them in?
10:43 cait          looks at I18N.pm and how it'sused, it hink it's all in there
10:43 dcook         Where would they add them?
10:42 cait          and people could just add their po/mo files to add a new translations
10:42 dcook         Hmm I'm not familiar with that but sounds interesting
10:42 cait          dcook: it pull stranslations on the fly from the .mo... so no need to run scripts copying plugin files around
10:42 cait          dcook: also the new way we use .mo files for translations of JavaScript could be interesting
10:42 dcook         Oooh interesting
10:42 cait          dcook: didn't read back but I know tcohen worked out somethig for translating plugins
10:16 dcook         I think we often have maximum version marked as undefined, but perhaps we should have it pegged at the latest version we've actually tested against
10:16 dcook         Of course, plugin developers could be more responsible with their plugin metadata
10:14 dcook         And for people without vendors... whoever their IT staff are, although I guess they might be reluctant to do something Koha specific..
10:13 dcook         That's why I'm more inclined to have vendors install the plugins, rather than having librarians installing them
10:13 dcook         That's a good point too.
10:12 andreashm     And some are worried about plugins, that will stop working with new releases.
10:12 dcook         I sent out an email about translatability but haven't heard back :(
10:12 andreashm     But there also translatability.'
10:12 dcook         If people like koha-plugin-oaipmh-import, I might try to do patches for master, and then create a plugin version with a "migrate" method, so that people could move their data across seamlessly
10:12 andreashm     Yeah.
10:11 dcook         I've worked on Koha for 8.5 years now and don't have any plans to change that any time soon, but if I did move on, my plugins would be out in the open, so someone else could fork it and take it over
10:10 dcook         For my "work plugins", we probably won't publish those beyond our company (depending on the plugin). But my personal plugins I'll put on Github, and my hope is that other people use them and contribute to them
10:09 dcook         It's a reasonable discussion to have
10:09 dcook         I think maintainability would be the right word
10:09 dcook         I'm hoping to create a number of plugins based on local customizations, and I want to be able to install that plugin across like 80 Koha installations at 1 time
10:09 andreashm     There has been some discussion in Sweden about the maintainability (is that correct English?) of plugins
10:08 dcook         Yeah my main goal is to allow vendors to disable library administrators from uploading their own plugins, and to make it easier for vendors to install plugins at scale
10:08 andreashm     Improving the plugin system overall sounds good.
10:07 andreashm     hehe
10:07 dcook         Eating our own dogfood so to speak...
10:07 dcook         Like we'd use koha-plugin-oaipmh-import locally for importing Dspace records into Koha
10:07 dcook         And then that might help me find more work hours to work on plugins too
10:06 dcook         But I'm hoping to find work hours to improve the plugin system overall
10:06 dcook         At the moment, I'm doing these ones on my own time
10:06 dcook         I'm optimistic about the plugins
10:06 dcook         heh
10:06 dcook         Ahhh
10:06 dcook         That's good!
10:06 andreashm     (But were still looking at potentially changing it, hha)
10:05 andreashm     It's a solution that works very well.
10:05 dcook         My first goal is to get the koha-plugin-oaipmh-import working, which would let any (authenticated) program send OAI-PMH encapsulated records to Koha
10:05 dcook         Sounds interesting
10:05 andreashm     (I think they still use OAI for that. Might be their REST API though. Don't know)
10:04 dcook         Ahh I think I follow
10:04 andreashm     The OAI stuff is all on LIBRIS end, we don't get exposed to that
10:04 andreashm     Currently we send a http request with a timestamp, and get changed after that. So we only see the http side. Then we have a small import script that imports to Koha (plus some added stuff like write-saved fields)
10:03 dcook         Sounds like you have a script that pulls OAI-PMH from the LIBRIS OAI-PMH server, and then use the Koha HTTP API?
10:02 dcook         Hmm I'm not sure that I follow
10:01 andreashm     Might change that to a bookmarklet/"magic button" type solution.
10:01 andreashm     Staged MARC Files before. Now using a now export method that LIBRIS supports. (http api on our end, OAI serverside on their end)
10:00 dcook         Staged MARC Files?
10:00 dcook         Custom script to import form LIBRIS?
10:00 dcook         If you don't mind me asking, what have you been doing in the meantime?
09:59 andreashm     =)
09:59 dcook         And thanks :)
09:59 dcook         andreashm: Yep, I was working late, and now I'm being a nerd and popped back on to work on plugins
09:33 ashimema      [off] email inbound Joubu
09:31 ashimema      just lots of them
09:31 ashimema      small ones
09:30 Joubu         hard to see how big are the changes you are going to make
09:29 Joubu         ok
09:29 Joubu         https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/showdependencygraph.cgi?id=23003
09:29 ashimema      it's a slow process.. reading all 258 pages of the report and converting each failure point into one or multiple bugs ;)
09:28 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=23003 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Accessibility improvements
09:28 ashimema      I'm adding bugs in a tree against bug 23003
09:28 Joubu         apart from "fixing the accessibility" :)
09:28 Joubu         could we at least get an overview of what you are planning to do?
09:27 ashimema      all before August :(
09:27 ashimema      and that I need to basically resolve all the reported issues in their report..
09:27 ashimema      but I'm also bearing in mind that I am required to backport the entire lot to 19.11 for the customer
09:27 Joubu         to get feedback, and make sure we all agree
09:26 Joubu         I'd love to see a RFC posted on the ML
09:26 ashimema      yup
09:26 Joubu         ashimema: are you already writing code?
09:25 ashimema      either way I'm on a mission to work through every page in the OPAC to get the heading nestings semantically correct.. be it whether they all start at level 2 or we drop the nav one and they all start at level 3 I'm not especially attached to either case
09:24 ashimema      we could drop it..
09:23 ashimema      fun
09:23 ashimema      aha.. ok
09:23 Joubu         so, no good reason
09:23 Joubu         ashimema: coming from f4c0b2f80d1f511cf995768aef4f0e1ac8a40d5f then copy/pasted
09:18 ashimema      seems a bit odd and means that we should never use H1 in anything other than that one place
09:17 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24986 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Maximum row size reached soon for borrowers and deletedborrowers
09:17 Joubu         magnuse: do you think you will find time to test the patch attached on bug 24986?
09:17 ashimema      anyone know why the logo is an H1 heading on the OPAC?
09:10 ashimema      lol
09:07 Joubu         is..
09:07 huginn        Joubu: The operation succeeded.
09:07 Joubu         @later tell tuxayo in now in your 19.05 queue. It comes as an addition of the one you have already into 19.05.
09:07 Joubu         in now in your 19.05 queue. It comes as an addition of the one you have already into 19.05.
09:06 huginn        Joubu: The operation succeeded.
09:06 Joubu         @later tell tuxayo 24881 is messy sorry about that. Basically we don't want the dt_from_string call, nowhere. It caused some tests to fail, sometimes. To prevent that I replaced all the occurrences with a $now var defined at the top. First I wanted to test on 19.05 (that's why a first patch was pushed there), then wrote a patch for master (which modifies more occurrences). This second one was backported and
08:44 davidnind     ashimema: if you haven't across it before, WebAim's WAVE toolbar is really good https://wave.webaim.org/
08:23 ashimema      basically it's not keyboard navigable is the summary
08:23 ashimema      let me find the relevant page in the report
08:22 Joubu         why is the datepicker wrong?
08:21 ashimema      though... in many cases I'm not sure I agree with the findings
08:21 ashimema      huge numbers of headings in the wrong order which I'm currently working through
08:21 ashimema      this 158 page report gives allot more issues
08:21 Joubu         why?
08:20 ashimema      the other one we're getting very wrong is the calendar datepicker aparently
08:20 ashimema      that was the top priority
08:20 Joubu         that's basically what is considered "super wrong" by the report
08:20 * ashimema    has added skip links ;)
08:20 Joubu         3. Button to place a hold on
08:20 Joubu         2. No search autocomplete
08:20 Joubu         1. the "skip links" - https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Skip_link
08:20 Joubu         Koha gets a quite good score, but a 'C' is given for:
08:18 ashimema      there are soooo many blooming accessibility tools.. often reporting marginally different things.. makes it very hard to be compliant
08:16 Joubu         lol
08:16 ashimema      hadn't heard of tanaguru before.. looks interesting
08:15 ashimema      [off] UK Government have put accessability into legislation.. so if I don't get through all this for the Houses of Parliament they'll legally be required to fine themselves
08:14 Joubu         aware of tanaguru?
08:13 ashimema      I have a 158 page report from a customer I'm working through already
08:13 Joubu         well it's in French, but you read French isn't it? ;)
08:13 Joubu         the last link in the description
08:12 ashimema      yes.. I've been attaching bugs to that as a collector
08:12 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=23003 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Accessibility improvements
08:12 Joubu         yes
08:12 Joubu         bug 23003
08:12 ashimema      do you mean 23003
08:12 ashimema      oh
08:12 ashimema      nope
08:11 Joubu         it's should be on bugzilla
08:11 Joubu         btw have you seen the pdf file I uploaded last year about Koha accessibility?
08:10 wahanui       i guess the question is a bit general
08:10 Joubu         ashimema: what is the question
08:02 ashimema      anyone with an eye on accessibility here?
08:01 andreashm     dcook: (if you're still around) keep up the good work with 10662. I haven't had time to comment, but locks promising that there is progress!
08:00 * andreashm   waves at dcook on his way out
07:59 andreashm     dcook: working late?
07:59 dcook         Oh and ashimema, I've been making a list of things I want to work on, and I think I'm up to 7 big things at the moment... heh somehow I'll try to do all of them O_O
07:58 ashimema      night night
07:58 dcook         ciao folks
07:58 dcook         I should run. It's been a looooong day.
07:58 dcook         accessibility is a hard one O_O
07:57 * ashimema    is bemused by some of the requirements for accessability :(
07:56 andreashm     hey dcook!
07:55 dcook         hola andreashm!
07:55 dcook         I mean even if we just started using WRAPPER for *new* templates adn then slowly refactored old ones...
07:53 dcook         ashimema: Just reading your earlier messages now. A template template would be great :D.
07:53 dcook         Chris sent one that I received that was 80KB... but I guess I could've just got it because it was CCed to me..
07:52 dcook         Ohh 525KB is the thread in my inbox..
07:52 dcook         Too big is > 40k
07:52 dcook         Wait..
07:52 dcook         Hmm the email that I got is still only 525KB with all those threaded replies... *shrugs*
07:51 * dcook       finishes yet another email that he actually started 8 hours ago
07:50 ashimema      lol
07:50 dcook         I'm probably not saying much anyone but ashimema wants to hear anyway :p
07:50 dcook         Yeah that must be it
07:24 did           dcook: I think a reply with many mails quoted in both txt and html .
07:19 ashimema      yowsers.. that's some big email
07:17 dcook         Should be < 1k
07:17 dcook         I wonder why they're that big..
07:17 dcook         Hmm weird
07:17 did           dcook: 55k and 60k too big > 40k
07:14 dcook         Wish I could turn it off but it's done by the mail server :|
07:13 dcook         I wonder if it's my email crypto sig..
07:12 dcook         Oh man, way to call me out on verbosity lol
07:12 ashimema      erm.. i thought it was a biblibre one so would have asked you did ;)
07:11 huginn        ashimema: The operation succeeded.
07:11 ashimema      @later tell oleonard Any chance you could help me shed some light on the styling getting applied on bug 25151 later?
07:11 did           who has admin right on koha dev list? I get admin emails but no acces? dcook: has mails to big in the queue.
07:09 ashimema      no worries did
07:09 ashimema      haha.. it happens
07:09 did           hi, my apologies for yesterday connect/disconnect noise, computer suspended , disconnect, error in suspend , wake up and reconnect, rince repeat...
07:00 dcook         <3 just on phone but back soon
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06:56 ashimema      I'm on board with pretty much everything you've said of late :)
06:56 ashimema      I like coming in in the morning and seeing the backtalk.. great to see what you're up to :)
06:55 ashimema      I added an item the the dev meeting agenda to create a template template for OPAC pages to try and improve consistency.. you jumped on WRAPPER at about the same time as I though.. it would be great to use that instead of some of our includes :)
06:54 dcook         Finding lots of bugs and trying to fix them all in a mad dash to the end of day
06:54 dcook         sure am
06:54 ashimema      dcook still here?
06:51 alex_a        Bonjour
06:51 * ashimema    is in a really happy place today.. soo good to see the accessibility bugs suddenly taking off.
06:02 reiveune      hello
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04:50 TimothyAlexis peace be with you my friend
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00:46 dcook         Of course, I don't have time today to work on any of these things heh
00:46 dcook         And easier to differentiate code that makes sense to be in a plugin vs code that should be upstreamed
00:46 dcook         If we had more local or third-party code in plugins, then it would be easier to do upgrades...
00:45 dcook         I think I can get buy-in from my boss to work on the plugin system, if it means that it makes life easier for us in the long-term
00:44 dcook         Mmm that would be great
00:44 * oleonard    would like to see every feature that depends on 3rd-party services (Amazon, Google, etc) moved to plugins
00:43 dcook         Trying to follow my own logic there...
00:43 dcook         And the thing that blows my mind is... if we make these changes to the core Koha system, and handle more localizations via plugins... it might make it easier to do more community work
00:42 dcook         It's all doable though O_O
00:42 dcook         Hehe. Well when you put it that way...
00:37 oleonard      You always have big ambitions dcook :D
00:28 dcook         :|
00:28 dcook         Oh and making a pluggable authentication system (I actually have most of that done locally too...)
00:27 dcook         Oh and adding a message queue to Koha... I've already implemented that one locally, but it would be good to find an upstream community-based solution
00:26 dcook         (But need better plugin infrastructure for managing plugins at a large scale and preventing end users from breaking things)
00:26 dcook         Really keen to move lots of our local customizations into plugins
00:26 dcook         For now, I think I'm going to focus most on API and plugin infrastructure though
00:25 dcook         I have so many things I'd like to do O_O
00:25 dcook         Hehe. Easy!
00:10 oleonard      At least wait until after my Bootstrap 4 branch is pushed :)
00:03 dcook         Might just go on my infinite TODO list for now though
00:03 dcook         We could improve consistency :D
00:03 dcook         I loved tcohen's burn earlier...
00:02 dcook         Since the OPAC is smaller than the Staff Client, I figure it's the best target for improvements heh
00:02 dcook         Well with the WRAPPER we could standardize the headers and footers more at least. The individual page content could then be handled within the individual templates
00:01 dcook         Oops forgot to check back here