Time  Nick          Message
00:00 tuxayo        > between 12 and 8 tickets
00:00 tuxayo        oddly in my case, I found in bugzilla that few of those 12 have been considered for backport. Hence the interval.
00:01 hayley        usually people don't say on the ticket unless they are backporting, I think it's a me thing to say 'not backporting'
00:08 tuxayo        In the case of Lucas they were also writing something in those case.
00:08 tuxayo        And I remember seeing that from others. Maybe you started a trend :P
00:11 hayley        hehe perhaps! I guess it depends how much work you wanna do, regarding looking backwards
00:18 tuxayo        If I apply what I did but for 19.11.x: RMaint should start after bug 25531 in 20.05.x.
00:18 tuxayo        Which gives the following list of commits.
00:18 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25531 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to stable , Patron may not be debarred if backdated return
00:18 tuxayo        https://copycat.drycat.fr/?c1ec066b55b3fc3b#BFTRsYPMKZ3gPoePtHreTrQ4YgW144HKZ46ZPrK19oA3
00:18 tuxayo        Are you sure aleisha don't have at least on part of that to check for backporting?
00:18 tuxayo        Unless in all those tickets, talljoy found none that was suitable for backport.
00:19 tuxayo        It would be surprising.
00:21 hayley        that's the thing, it's a lot more work if we have to go back and investigate like this so normally we just trust that the person on the version above has made the right decisions
00:33 tuxayo        hayley: It's not about trust, it's about a divergence of start and stop point between two RMaints who aren't aware of this difference.
00:33 tuxayo        In the example of 19.11 it seems sure that there would be a gap in RMaint. Because the latest release on 19.11.x of Joy got release the 22th.
00:34 tuxayo        After that not more backport from master because it now the work of the next team. (or maybe not until the release of 20.05, ambiguity here also)
00:34 tuxayo        But master continued to get commits until may 29th. And only the 29th, 20.05.00 was created.
00:34 tuxayo        So of aleisha only look after the 20.05.00 tag, 7 days of commit will not be inspected for eventual backporting.
00:35 hayley        right, well in that case it's kind of on lukeG to make that gap up right?
00:35 hayley        then you and aleisha cascade?
00:38 hayley        so lucas I am assuming will now look at master to see if there is anything important to backport, and then we go from there?
00:38 tuxayo        > right, well in that case it's kind of on lukeG to make that gap up right?
00:38 tuxayo        Lucas's branch already has the commits IIUC
00:38 tuxayo        https://copycat.drycat.fr/?c1ec066b55b3fc3b#BFTRsYPMKZ3gPoePtHreTrQ4YgW144HKZ46ZPrK19oA3
00:38 hayley        ah I see what you mean
00:41 dcook         @later tell Joubu I did add more code with my more talk ;). Happy to talk about what I mean by the code being smaller, but too hard to do via huginn.
00:41 huginn        dcook: The operation succeeded.
01:16 tuxayo        hayley: a solution would be to have in the RMaint handover process to explicitly handover "ye RMaint cursor" ^_^
01:17 hayley        yes I agree tuxayo it would be good to have a process for that - the other thing to keep in mind is that none of these patches really NEED to be on these branches, it is maintenance after all!
01:19 tuxayo        That can be compensated being more prudent about what's backported at the beginning of the cycle
01:19 tuxayo        (not knowing well the context(previous patches) and the usual gotchas of the branch)
01:21 tuxayo        Because skipping them could not help due to the confusion in case of a bug whose dependency is in the gap.
01:21 tuxayo        (Maybe it's far fetched ↑)
01:38 tuxayo        Also about a secondary problem: is there a more efficient choice on where to go at the end of one's RMaint cycle?
01:38 tuxayo        Or is it equivalent and we should let it float depending on the people and the moments:
01:38 tuxayo        - until the latest point release of the RMaint
01:38 tuxayo        - until the release of the next major version
01:38 tuxayo        I would say the 2nd because it's easier to do a longer last RMaint month than a longer first month.
01:39 tuxayo        Especially for beginners, but not only, everyone goes back a bit toward being a beginner on the first month on a branch.
01:39 tuxayo        -
01:39 tuxayo        BTW Cursor still necessary, in both cases to not miss few patches of offset that can be between two branches,
01:39 tuxayo        because we can't backport an upstream patch only a few hours after it landed.
01:39 tuxayo        And actually more than a cursor in necessary, to not drop the patches that touch strings that are waiting the next month.
01:39 tuxayo        _
01:39 tuxayo        It's not about giving a lot attention to every patch. It about not missing a few of them on every cycle "by design" of the process.
01:40 tuxayo        And on constant RMaint resources that means upping the bar on what to backport.
01:40 tuxayo        That will allow to include the valuable patches in the current gaps. At the expense of leaving out the ones where there is hesitation today.
01:42 tuxayo        Sorry for the essay...
01:43 tuxayo        Everyone's opinion welcome so I can find a middle ground of these things to RMaint well and efficiently ^^
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05:01 TimothyAlexis On staff mainpage.pl we have "Lists" and "Authorities" can these be turned off easily?
05:11 dcook         TimothyAlexis: I think you can get rid of "Lists" all together by disabling "virtualshelves"
05:11 dcook         As for Authorities, are you talking about hiding the menu option or disabling it all together?
05:11 dcook         I'd say the only way to just hide the option is with some Javascript (so not easily per se)
05:12 TimothyAlexis We are using neither of these. I could easily hide them from the menus, but if there is an "off" option somewhere, that would be convenient.
05:15 TimothyAlexis Those working with the Staff interface find it proper to have only buttons related to their daily work.
05:36 TimothyAlexis I've hidden these from the menus. What do you think, should we add options for this?
05:55 mtj           hi tcohen, my dev server (aka docker3) had a hardware fail last nite... it will hopefully be back up in a few hours
05:56 * mtj         xrosses fingers
06:00 mtj           i'm very thankful that it decided to fail *after* the 20.05 release :0)
06:40 reiveune      hello
06:40 wahanui       what's up, reiveune
06:45 magnuse       \o/
06:47 magnuse       maybe we could have kept OpacMainUserBlock, with just a note explaining it has been moved to News?
06:47 alex_a        Bonjour
06:47 wahanui       hola, alex_a
06:47 magnuse       ...and then removed it in 20.11, i meam
07:56 kohaputti     ashimema, Joubu does debian 10 work for jenkins?
07:56 kohaputti     tried to ask tcohen already
07:58 kohaputti     well it seems to have docker.io and java soo, guessing it works
08:01 mtj           hi kohaputti, deb10 is fine :)
08:01 kohaputti     ok
08:02 ashimema      Morning #koha
09:13 Joubu         @later tell tuxayo when you backport something you need to adjust the "Version(s) released in:" field on bugzilla
09:13 huginn        Joubu: The operation succeeded.
10:55 oleonard      Hi all
11:18 tcohen        morning
11:29 * kidclamp    waves
11:50 magnuse       \o/
12:16 ashimema      Tuxayo, try using koha-push from the release tools.. I could help with the bugzilla management side of rmaint
12:21 Joubu         well, it needs to be configured first!
12:24 kohaputti     oh no, the mailing list is filled with these same opac/intranet permissions issues, I wonder if everybody joins the list now to tell about this issue and don't know it has been answered there already
12:24 Joubu         I answered already
12:24 Joubu         at least twice I think
12:25 cait          i guess we will keep doing that until it's fixed
12:26 Joubu         I will reply to Victor and more generaly on the release announcement
13:51 pastebot      Someone at 127.0.0.1 pasted "tcohen: added new tests in t/mojo/json.t - they all pass" (19 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/22120
13:52 tcohen        ?
13:54 Joubu         it's me
13:54 tcohen        I know
13:54 tcohen        I'm puzzled
13:54 Joubu         e+19 or e+25 are always displayed in non scientic format
13:55 tcohen        so it is us?
13:55 tcohen        or maybe the Mojolicious::Plugin::OpenAPI chain
13:57 tcohen        ah
13:58 Joubu         use Mojo::JSON;
13:58 Joubu         my $v = '{"unit_price": 64342152748241616073212398}';
13:58 Joubu         my $d = Mojo::JSON::decode_json($v);
13:58 Joubu         say $d->{unit_price};
13:58 Joubu         displays 6.43421527482416e+25
13:59 Joubu         and
13:59 Joubu         use Mojo::JSON;
13:59 Joubu         my $v = '{"unit_price": 10177559957753600000}';
13:59 Joubu         my $d = Mojo::JSON::decode_json($v);
13:59 Joubu         say $d->{unit_price};
13:59 Joubu         displays 10177559957753600000
13:59 Joubu         and I just want to cry
13:59 Joubu         and I give up
14:01 Joubu         ha but... that's not the same Mojo version
14:01 Joubu         the json.t is coming from their git repo
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14:18 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 25638: Make the tests pass - ignoring the actual issue <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d6c12e2471942f2cd9c4c2d2af891507018009ac>
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14:21 tcohen        Joubu I need to momentarily disable Dcoker_4
14:22 Joubu         @later tell mtj can you have a look at 25692 please?
14:22 huginn        Joubu: The operation succeeded.
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14:44 tuxayo        ashimema: «Tuxayo, try using koha-push from the release tools.. I could help with the bugzilla management side of rmaint»
14:45 tuxayo        Ok, somehow I forgot about koha-push
14:46 tuxayo        I'll see what is missing in the already backported patches
14:56 tuxayo        Wiki page "Release_maintenance"
14:56 tuxayo        «add the specific release version to for which the bug will be released»
14:56 tuxayo        Ok, this is in advance!
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15:43 eythian       https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/06/return-to-oegstgeest-makes-it-home-to-library-almost-40-late/
15:47 tuxayo        > The maximum fine for a late return is €5. If there had been no limit the fine would have been €1530,75, the library said.
15:47 tuxayo        he he
15:48 tuxayo        That would be a lot of calendar calculations in Koha
15:58 caroline      When there is this in the xslt
15:58 caroline      <xsl:attribute name="class">subject</xsl:attribute>
15:58 caroline      the "subject" part is the html class right?
15:59 caroline      it should not be translated?
16:07 reiveune      bye
16:18 tuxayo        cait: around?
16:35 caroline      any translators around?
16:47 oleonard      caroline that's my understanding. Are you finding that it's not the way it works?
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17:27 gary          Has anyone deployed on GCP?
17:29 gary          @chris_n
17:29 huginn        gary: downloading the Perl source
17:29 tuxayo        gary: Google Cloud Platform?
17:29 gary          Yes
17:30 gary          Google Cloud or any public cloud
17:30 tuxayo        gary: What do you mean by cloud? A PAAS for Perl?
17:31 gary          A cloud hosted linux VM or container
17:32 tuxayo        > linux VM or container
17:32 tuxayo        That looks more flexible. With root access right?
17:32 gary          Yes
17:32 caroline      oleonard: it's just that "subject" was on Pootle to be translated... But if it's a class, it shouldn't be translated otherwise the css will be messed up
17:33 tuxayo        gary: If it runs Debian or Ubuntu it should be no different than how the vast majority of people install and manage Koha.
17:33 oleonard      caroline: What line of what file?
17:33 caroline      hm, let me go back and find it
17:35 caroline      koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/bootstrap/en/xslt/MARC21slim2OPACDetail.xsl:816
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18:38 Marie-Luce    Hi everyone
18:39 oleonard      Hi Marie-Luce
18:39 Marie-Luce    is there a way to upload a pdf in Koha and add a link to the pdf in the Staff interface News?
18:40 Marie-Luce    Hi oleonard
18:40 wahanui       hi oleopard
18:40 Marie-Luce    Hi wahanui
18:45 wizzycray     koha-list needs a --enabled --z3950responder
18:45 wizzycray     i'll file a bug :P
18:51 oleonard      Marie-Luce the "Upload" tool under Tools might work for you
18:57 Marie-Luce    good thinking.
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