Time Nick Message 06:07 davidnind @later tell Joubu Could you run the meeting script to update for the next documentation meeting? Thanks! 06:07 huginn davidnind: The operation succeeded. 06:07 Joubu will do! 06:10 davidnind Joubu++ 06:36 reiveune hello 06:46 alex_a Bonjour 06:46 wahanui kia ora, alex_a 07:07 Joubu @later tell mtj I've added you to the "default CC" for the packaging bugs on bugzilla ;) 07:07 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 07:18 cait2 good morning #koha! 07:46 kohaputti cait, good morning! I'm probably going to try rescue bug 11175 in it's original form, meaning displaying the list of links to 001+003 with Zebra and ES. 07:46 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11175 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, pasi.kallinen, Failed QA , Show the parent record's component parts in the detailed views 07:46 kohaputti we still get the UI stuff out of this even if someone would like to refactor it later to use DB linking 07:56 cait kohaputti: exciting 08:04 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1362: STILL UNSTABLE in 46 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/1362/ 08:11 cait hm i am working on changing some custom code using get_effective_issuing_rule for 20.05 08:11 cait it looks like we have still tests for it, but it's gone? 08:39 Joubu cait: how that? 08:40 Joubu ha, it's only the "descriptions" that have not been adjusted 08:40 Joubu get_effective_issuing_rule vs get_effective_rule 08:49 cait Joubu: that explains 08:49 cait i think i managed to rewrite my code, but still stuck on the rebase, have to testlater 09:34 Joubu So, everybody's upgrading to the newly released 20.05.00, what a good idea! :D 09:35 * kohaputti notices "Edit record" in koha is slow to load 09:36 cait Joubu: i am going to use a 20.05 in a presentation to students next week 09:36 cait it better not embarasses me! :) 09:41 ashimema I was surprised to see people upgrading to a .00.. 09:41 ashimema it'll certainly help flush bugs 09:42 ashimema but yeah.. I usually suggest people wait for a .03 or .04 for safety 09:42 ashimema hopefully they're all people willing to live with a few bugs for a couple of months ;) 09:42 ashimema grr.. 09:43 * ashimema decided he should try to catch up with jajm.. but instead of getting his first PQA of the month.. he added his first FQA instead :( 09:43 Joubu the problem is that .list file that contain "stable" 09:43 Joubu so they get upgraded once it's released.. 09:43 ashimema yeah.. 09:43 ashimema I have sort of felt for a while that we should change those listsing 09:43 ashimema listings.. even 09:43 Joubu they should track using version number instead 09:44 ashimema oldstable, stable, something 09:44 cait but won't that have the same effect? 09:44 cait if you track stableß 09:44 cait ? 09:44 ashimema it would.. except you'll be tracking upgrades from .06 -> .06 09:45 ashimema sorry.. 09:45 ashimema .12 -> .06 09:45 ashimema as opposed to .06 -> .00 09:45 ashimema by .06 the current release really should actually be 'stable' in real terms 09:46 ashimema whereas our current model.. the stable isn't necessarily entirely stable (I suppose it's feature stable, but it's not bugfree stable) at initial release 09:47 Joubu I don't understant 09:47 ashimema `oldstable`, `stable`, `latest` might be a better terminology 09:48 ashimema then those really seeking "absolute latest at risk of bugs" can follow `latest` whilst the more causious can use `stable` to get.. "nearly latest code, but a bit more tested" 09:49 Joubu it's just naming, in that case people just needs to track oldstable instead of stable 09:49 kohaputti in debian terms latest would be testing 09:49 Joubu or I still don't understand :D 09:49 ashimema cait, what would you do on bug 25526.. just obsolete the first patch and mark as NSO again? 09:49 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25526 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Failed QA , Using Write Off Selected will not allow for a different amount to be written off 09:49 ashimema yeah.. `testing`.. that was the word I was looking for.. but my brain failed me 09:50 Joubu but 20.05 is not supposed to be "testing" 09:50 ashimema you understand my rationale then kohaputti.. do you think that would be sane too 09:50 ashimema ? 09:50 ashimema well.. we don't have a testing.. my suggestion is that we do 09:51 Joubu then they will get 20.05.06, when 20.11 will be out. And bugs will be reported 6 months later :) 09:52 ashimema well.. yes 09:52 ashimema but one would hope that some people actually deliberately use 'testing' 09:52 Joubu what they report is mainly upgrade issues so far (memcached or plack not restart, updateDB that fails) 09:52 Joubu things we don't test in dev env 09:52 ashimema whereas at the moment I think we catch lots of people who don't really mean to be on that branch at all 09:52 ashimema okies 09:53 ashimema it was just a suggestion ;) 09:53 kohaputti we have quite a lot of QA going on before the package is pushed so testing might not be necessary 09:54 ashimema fair 09:58 cait to be fair... i reported the file permission thing 10:00 cait quite a while before release actually 10:01 cait and yep, my new 20.05 is showing the issue too 10:01 ashimema I don't see a report for it at ugprade 10:01 ashimema only for at install time 10:02 cait i reported it on upgrade 10:02 cait then i did a complete new installation 10:02 cait and it was still broken 10:02 cait it's all on the bug report 10:02 Null404 hello 10:02 wahanui hey, Null404 10:02 Null404 is there any way to get a list of deleted Messages on Patron in KOHA ? 10:03 kohaputti is using Rebased-by git-trailer ok? I see one other person using it, other people add a comment after sign-off about rebasing but I don't want to sign-off my rebase... 10:04 cait hm and this 20.05 also has the broken about page 10:05 cait tcohen: I have the broken about page in my kohadevbox 10:05 cait an't locate object method "phases" via package "CPAN::Meta::Prereqs" at /home/vagrant/kohaclone/C4/Installer/PerlModules.pm line 55 10:05 cait do we have a workaround for that yet? 10:06 ashimema Rebased-by seems a good trailer to me 10:06 ashimema I've also used 'Rescued-by' 10:06 ashimema if you've rebased something ancient and effectively adopted it from the original author 10:06 Joubu cait: apt install libcpan-meta-perl 10:07 cait Joubu: will that be auto-installed if you update from self-made packages? or should i add that for my sysadmi too? 10:07 Joubu see the ML 10:07 Joubu it is supposed to work, but someone just reported it 10:07 cait the subjects are not helpful, was just working through ml messages :) 10:07 cait ok, i better add it, easy to test at least 10:08 cait hm it doesn't appear to fix things 10:09 Joubu apt show libcpan-meta-perl must return 2.150010 (NOT 2.150005) 10:09 cait Setting up libcpan-meta-perl (2.150010-1) ... 10:09 Joubu restart all 10:09 cait i did 10:09 Joubu which OS? 10:09 wahanui which OS are you using? 10:09 cait ah ok, it took a second restart 10:09 cait not sure why, but now it's ok 10:09 cait now to fix the permission thing 10:10 Joubu chown -R kohadev-koha:kohadev-koha /var/log/koha/kohadev 10:12 cait thank you :) 10:12 cait do i just need towswitch out the user for a normal package installation? 10:19 Joubu the permissions are set with koha-create, so you should not need to do it 10:19 cait but you don't run koha-create on an update 10:20 cait we are updating our demo server - it serves as a first update test as well 10:26 cait Joubu: can you remind me of the bug number for the permission issue? 10:26 cait failing to find the email 10:26 Joubu cait: yes for an upgrade you may need to do it. I've asked a couple of hours ago on https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25284#c24 10:26 huginn Bug 25284: blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to master , Can't open /var/log/koha/kohadev/opac-error.log (Permission denied) 10:26 Joubu heh, that one 10:27 cait thx! 10:29 kohaputti oh, I got that error too 10:30 Joubu ashimema: could you follow-up on 22522 if it's clear for you what needs to be done? 10:30 kohaputti just chown'd stuff and didn't think it could be fixed somewhere :D 10:31 cait for non-dev users it can be quite a hurdle 10:31 cait if we can't automate, we need to make it clear in the notes 10:31 kohaputti well this one we can automate 10:33 Joubu yes definitely, I bet it's for the postinst script, but not 100% sure 10:37 kohaputti or just add the opac-error.log to debian/scripts/koha-plack list of files to fix 10:39 kohaputti I guess intranet-error.log should be there too 10:39 Joubu I was not aware of that 10:39 Joubu that should not be there I think 10:39 kohaputti I wonder if sru-apache-error.log is correct either 10:40 kohaputti it is defined here: 10:40 kohaputti templates/log4perl-site.conf.in:log4perl.appender.INTRANET.filename=__LOG_DIR__/intranet-error.log 10:40 kohaputti ... under $koha_root/debian 10:41 Joubu sru-apache-error.log? 10:41 kohaputti intranet-error.log 10:41 kohaputti sru-apacher-error.log is for z3950 daemon 10:41 ashimema will do Joubu 10:43 Joubu thanks 10:43 Joubu kohaputti: I don't understand what you mean. But yes intranet-error.log has the same problm as opac-error.log 10:44 kohaputti sru-apacher-error.log is also chowned as root 10:44 wahanui okay, kohaputti. 10:44 Joubu both are created by apache if the files don't not exist. 10:45 kohaputti apache creates intranet-error.log at least with the wrong user (root), it should be the koha-user since log4perl is used. 10:46 Joubu it's z3950-error.log :) 10:46 Joubu at least it's how it's named in master 10:46 kohaputti I upgraded from some older koha version this installation, maybe the log files were not renamed 10:47 Joubu yes, it creates them with wrong user, but now (20.05) we have koha-create that will fix the permissions 10:47 Joubu that only works for new instance creation ofc 10:47 kohaputti but the intranet-error.log issue with wrong user, as well as the opac-error.log issue with wrong user still exists 10:48 kohaputti Joubu, debian/scripts/koha-plack lists the log files that need chown'ing and chowns those 10:48 kohaputti so we could easily add the intranet and opac logs to that list 10:49 kohaputti now there is: /var/log/koha/${instance}/plack.log and /var/log/koha/${instance}/plack-error.log 10:50 kohaputti ^ this was the suggestions earlier I tried to explain... 10:52 Joubu yes, but it's not the right place imo 10:52 Joubu but that could work 11:25 oleonard Hi #koha 11:27 cait1 hi oleonard 11:27 wahanui hi oleopard 11:58 ashimema am I missing something obvious.. 11:58 ashimema how can an item be on order and issued at the same time> 12:00 cait1 i guess if you overwrite the rules 12:00 oleonard cait: I want to say Bug 20168 is ready for testing but if I do I have to write a test plan... 12:00 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20168 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Update of the OPAC bootstrap template to bootstrap v4 12:00 cait1 and forgot to change the item status 12:00 tcohen ashimema can't you just think in more than 4 dimensions? 12:01 ashimema back in my physics days i used to think in fair few dimentions ;) 12:03 ashimema oh I see.. it's more of the method name issue than a logic problem 12:06 ashimema '/me is reluctantly on an FQA spree it seems 12:07 * ashimema was aiming for a PQA spree.. but alas.. 12:10 * oleonard hides his filthy awful patches from ashimema 12:14 tcohen #koha we need more junkins nodes 12:15 oleonard Haha sick burn... junkins. Take that Jenkins! 12:17 ashimema hahaha 12:18 ashimema agreed tcohen 12:19 ashimema not entirely sure how to help there though :(.. we're already donating peoples and sandboxes at ptfs-e.. not sure I can work my magic to get any more donations at the minute 12:30 * Joubu gives his body to Jenkins 12:50 tcohen @later tell mtj your node/runner is down 12:50 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 12:50 ashimema how much grunt do Jenkins runners actually need tcohen 12:51 ashimema I could perhaps buy a couple of pi's to devote to it if they've got the guys? 13:00 kohaputti tcohen, I'm checking if we can do anything at our library to help. Is the need more for availability of nodes, or for compute power? What would be the required specs for this server? 13:01 tcohen dual core, 4GB RAM, 13:01 kohaputti and x86_64 I assume :) 13:01 tcohen 60/80GB storage 13:01 tcohen x86_64, that's right 13:03 kohaputti so much space 13:03 kohaputti what does jenkins store? 13:03 ashimema blimey.. yeah.. 13:03 ashimema that's storage requirement is huge? 13:03 ashimema why dat... 13:29 kohaputti tcohen, ^ 13:29 tcohen docker images 13:30 tcohen the kohaclone has shrunk 13:30 tcohen but it is normal to have 8/10 GB of docker images 13:30 tcohen I'm checking 13:32 tcohen I'm running one of the normal tasks and see how much space is used 13:34 tcohen kohaputti it is not using more than 20GB 13:34 tcohen total 13:34 tcohen so I guess a 40GB one would be find 13:39 Null404 hi, is there any way to get a list of deleted Messages on Patron in KOHA ? 13:44 oleonard Null404: No, when they are deleted they are deleted from the database 13:44 oleonard It would be a good enhancement to make it possible to see past messages since they're quite easy to delete 13:45 oleonard ...provided the enhancement took GDPR in mind 13:49 kohaputti tcohen, ok, that's perfect, I will see if I can arrange such server. 14:00 ashimema cait.. I'm not sure I agree with your followup on bug 25545 14:00 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25545 normal, P5 - low, ---, nick, Signed Off , Invoice page - Adjustments are not included in the Total + adjustments + shipment cost (Column tax. inc.) 14:07 Null404 oh okay 14:10 tcohen kohaputti ashimema Joubu I'm adding a cheap runner on behalf of Theke for the Gitlab tasks 14:11 tcohen now that mtj's is down we don't get KTD built 14:11 ashimema tcohen, you're a start 14:11 ashimema * tcohen, you're a star 14:13 kohaputti tcohen, so you manage jenkins? Just wondering who to contact if I manage to get the server for this (I will know earliest tomorrow). 14:13 tcohen that's me 14:13 kohaputti ok, great 14:13 tcohen or ashimema or Joubu 14:13 tcohen but try with me first 14:13 ashimema kohaputti++ 14:13 tcohen kohaputti++ 14:13 ashimema probably best to try tcohen first. although I have access I'm by no means as adept as tcohen yet 14:14 * ashimema is still learning 14:17 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_D10 build #12: STILL FAILING in 4 min 41 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_D10/12/ 14:28 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9_My8 build #344: STILL UNSTABLE in 57 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_My8/344/ 14:31 cait1 oleonard: do you have an opinion on bug 25545 follow-up? 14:31 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25545 normal, P5 - low, ---, nick, Passed QA , Invoice page - Adjustments are not included in the Total + adjustments + shipment cost (Column tax. inc.) 14:31 * oleonard looks 14:33 oleonard I think it's correct 14:35 cait1 before or after? 14:35 oleonard I think the follow-up is correct 14:36 ashimema feel free to comment as such.. I didn't want to hold up QA based on my opinion 14:37 ashimema I wouldn't write. "Dog + cat" for example.. I'd write "Dog + Cat" 14:37 ashimema anywho.. not worth arguing over 14:37 cait1 oleonard: I also looked up your question from last week abotu the typo - but didn't have time to fully test it out 14:37 cait1 ashimema: i think you'd do that, but we don't adhere to the title rules 14:38 cait1 we made it simply "first word" 14:38 cait1 at least that's my interpretation 14:38 cait1 capitalization is different in German (of course) 14:40 ashimema I have a feeling I may be patching that locally then..or in the British English translations at least. 14:40 ashimema oh well 14:40 cait1 and not sure if ti's more sane or not 14:40 cait1 hm 14:40 cait1 ashimema: do you change it in other places too? 14:41 ashimema can't say I've run into similar cases 14:41 ashimema no matter.. not worth spending much time on it to be honest 14:41 cait1 i don't want to make you unhappy 14:42 cait1 we also do "Notices and slips" 14:42 cait1 just to explin my logic 14:42 cait1 and... if you can#t tell by this discussion... I have to make slides again 14:42 cait1 (and try to avoid it) 14:42 ashimema lol 14:44 oleonard cait1 we could trade and you could write my test plan instead... but I don't think you'd like my slides 14:44 cait1 it sounds very tempting 14:45 cait1 what makes your test plan so bad? 14:45 cait1 btw.... slides for 90 minutes 14:47 oleonard cait1 I want to be more thorough with the test plan than "Test everything" but I'm not sure how specific I need to be. 14:48 cait1 so yours will also fill 90 minutes at least? :) 14:48 cait1 is it "all of Koha" or a specific area? 14:48 cait1 oh1 14:48 cait1 bootstrap 4? 14:49 oleonard In the OPAC 14:53 ashimema mm.. scary one that 14:53 ashimema I'd go so far as to request special treatment from the RM and just aim for an early push and accompany it with a promise to fix the bugs that fall out throughout the cycle 14:54 ashimema kinda feels like the sanest approach to me on that one. 14:55 oleonard Yeah that's what I think too. 14:57 * ashimema is just going to have to do his accessibility patches twice isn't he.. once for the customers branch and once for community at large.. 15:00 cait1 we could also do this "hit it for one hour thing" i suggested in QA email 15:00 cait1 just a group of people ... 1 hour and try to test as much as possible 15:00 cait1 to see if any biggies turn up 15:01 oleonard I mean... If you're going to have to patch 18.11 too ashimema? 15:08 ashimema indeed 15:08 ashimema count me in one an hours trying to break the OPAC cait 15:09 ashimema in fact.. pretty sure I could get a team onboard with that.. I could setup one or two sandboxes and just point the support guys at it 15:13 oleonard An international simultaneous scrutiny of my patches? I'm going to take some heavy psychic damage from that :D 15:14 cait1 you need to be more confident 15:14 cait1 i am not going to tell ashimema, but usually i take your patches when i need to PQA on something 15:14 cait1 :P 15:14 cait1 ashimema: read what you said earlier about FQA a lot... it just happens 15:15 ashimema hehe 15:15 ashimema yeah... I've passed a few since then and feel better now 15:15 tuxayo «early push and accompany it with a promise to fix the bugs that fall out throughout the cycle kinda feels like the sanest approach 15:16 tuxayo to me on that one.» 15:16 tuxayo For such big changes doing that early in the cycle seems a good approach. 15:16 cait1 ashimema: if you got a team.. want to set a time and date? 15:16 ashimema I tend to build pass 2 or more for any I fail.. it's sorta habit.. if I fail something I have to go hunt out at least one to pass to mentally fix my Karma ;) 15:17 ashimema I'll raise it in tomorrows company meeting 15:17 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 15:17 wahanui Congratulations! 15:17 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_D8 build #232: FIXED in 33 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_D8/232/ 15:19 tuxayo ashimema: «I could setup one or two sandboxes and just point the support guys at it» 15:19 tuxayo I'm not sure you can use sandboxes for this bug. (patches aren't in bugzilla due to their size) 15:19 tuxayo koha-jenkins: 🥳 15:19 koha-jenkins tuxayo did you mean me? Unknown command '🥳' 15:19 koha-jenkins Use '!koha-jenkins help' to get help! 15:20 ashimema sandboxes can use a git branch from anywhere ;) 15:20 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 15:20 wahanui Congratulations! 15:20 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_U18 build #227: FIXED in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_U18/227/ 15:20 ashimema and.. as I have the keys to/maintain one of the sandboxes servers.. I can kinda checkout whatever I like on them ;) 15:20 tuxayo This is great! 15:21 ashimema you should deffo try the branch checkout options.. they work very well :) 15:30 kohaputti I'm working on a patch that introduces new zebra search keyword ("cni") but in unit tests I get 15:30 kohaputti CCL parsing error (10014) Unknown qualifier ZOOM for query: (rcn='1234' and cni='FIRST') or rcn='FIRST 1234' at /kohadevbox/koha/C4/Search.pm line 250. 15:30 kohaputti with intranet and opac the searches work 15:31 kohaputti do I need to mock this new zebra keyword somehow? 15:32 kohaputti I did the following mocks: 15:32 kohaputti t::lib::Mocks::mock_preference( 'SearchEngine', 'Zebra' ); 15:32 kohaputti my $search_mod = Test::MockModule->new( 'C4::Search' ); 15:32 kohaputti $search_mod->mock( 'new_record_from_zebra', \&test_component_record_second ); 15:37 kohaputti maybe I should try rebuilding zebra index... 15:37 kohaputti no help :( 15:45 tuxayo http://sandboxes.ptfs-europe.co.uk/create 15:45 tuxayo > Git remote & branch 15:45 tuxayo Nice, I had never noticed it 15:56 tcohen where are you adding the keyword? 15:56 tcohen rememebr Search.t launches its own zebra server 16:00 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_D9 build #226: SUCCESS in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_D9/226/ 16:06 kohaputti tcohen, ooh, I think that might be the issue then, not launching zebra server, let me see that first 16:06 kohaputti although, I mock the search thing but let me still try. 16:32 reiveune bye 16:50 oleonard The good thing about writing a detailed test plan is finding the things you forgot to fix... 17:16 ashimema oleonard++ 17:30 caroline ashimema are you on the koha-docs mailing list? your message was blocked, I don't know why 17:30 caroline It's the first time in 1 1#2 yrs I've seen an email from an actual koha-community member being blocked 17:33 ashimema I thinks it was because I did a reply-all and totally missed that the list was in the original email trail 18:06 tcohen @seen mtj 18:06 huginn tcohen: mtj was last seen in #koha 6 days, 13 hours, 42 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <mtj> oops, sorry the Koha_20.05_D8 noise ^ 18:38 caroline are language-specific sql still what is used for translating frameworks? 18:38 caroline just noticed there is an error in the fr-CA authorities frameworks and I wondered if I should submit a patch with sql 18:47 cait caroline: are you using MARC21? 18:47 caroline yes 18:47 cait is it an sql error or a translation error? 18:47 caroline sql error 18:48 caroline but it's not present in enghlish 18:48 ashimema I'd fix the SQL error as a patch to the SQL.. 18:49 cait hm, I've been asking because i use pootle for the framework 18:49 cait s 18:49 caroline yeah, I've seen MARC stuff on pootle, that's why I was asking 18:49 cait and in theory that shoudl give you perfect sql files 18:49 cait translate here: https://translate.koha-community.org/fr_CA/marc21/ 18:49 cait download here: https://translate.koha-community.org/files/ 18:50 cait and then you can turn the downloaded files into a patch that will match the English ones 18:50 caroline If it's on Pootle, does that mean we get to be able to use frameworks in more that 1 language? 18:50 cait at themoment it's only a help to translate the sql files 18:50 cait and you have to submit them yourself as a patch 18:50 ashimema seen these too caroline: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/showdependencygraph.cgi?id=24871 18:50 wahanui I haven't seen 'these', ashimema 18:50 cait it's not part of the releases 18:50 caroline ah ok. too bad... 18:50 oleonard wahanui: forget these 18:50 wahanui oleonard: I forgot these 18:50 cait but it sure does help to translate them 18:51 ashimema we might need a similar removal bug for fr-CA.. i'm not close enough to tell at this point 18:51 cait possibly 18:51 cait but i am not sure about all the steps yet myself - i think we need bernardo to create files on pootle with the translations from the existing files 18:54 cait when you want to make the move he'd probably be happy to help 18:55 caroline are *installer.po supposed to replace staff-prog and opac-bootstrap and all those files? 18:55 cait no 18:55 cait those are only for the installer 18:55 cait another file for another task 18:56 caroline so installer.po files will be for MARC and authorised_values and things like that? 18:56 cait for marc we already have files - not sure if they are converted 18:56 cait i think mostly for the other things like notices, and auth values 18:59 cait hm i think you get to use yml... for marc, but still use the po we have 20:33 caroline cait how do you translate deleted fields in pootle? Example https://translate.koha-community.org/fr_CA/marc21/translate/fr-CA-frameworks.po#filter=incomplete says Bib field 023 "STANDARD FILM NUMBER (VM) [DELETED]" it's not even in the historic section of http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd01x09x.html 20:33 caroline it's not in my french version either https://www.marc21.ca/M21/BIB/B036-01X.html 20:33 cait1 hm i think doing my best to have it make sense 20:33 caroline (wlol sorry! 20:33 cait1 the German translation is outdated... so i have to get a bit creative sometimes 20:34 caroline so you do translate them? 20:34 cait1 yes, becasue they show 20:34 cait1 i think 20:34 cait1 it's been a whlie 20:34 caroline Do you know of any reason we would still have them in the frameworks? 20:35 caroline I guess some ppl might have records with those fields, but even new installs? 20:37 cait1 i think old data 20:37 cait1 and people migrate from older systems... so the fields could be there 20:38 cait1 the main reason will be that Koha deletes data if the fields are not in the framework 20:51 tuxayo tcohen around? 23:03 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_U18 build #228: SUCCESS in 36 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_U18/228/ 23:07 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_D9 build #227: SUCCESS in 42 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_D9/227/ 23:35 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_D8 build #233: SUCCESS in 31 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_D8/233/ 23:37 hayley hey tuxayo you around? :) 23:38 tuxayo hayley: yup :) 23:40 hayley just a note about the rmaint, generally the patches that get backported cascade in a waterfall fashion, so stable decides what goes in from master, oldstable decides what goes in from stable, and then oldoldstable decides what goes in from oldstable, if that makes sense? obviously there are exceptions to that rule, like if the patch is for a specific version, or if you've chatted to someone about it, just thought I'd let you know in case someone hadn't :) 23:41 hayley generally oldoldstable tries to only backported critical or major, as the goal is to protect the version and not really for enhancements, but everyone does it differently really 23:43 tuxayo > oldoldstable decides what goes in from oldstable 23:43 tuxayo Unless I got mixed up, I'm only looking at patches from my upstream (19.11) to consider backporting to 19.05 23:44 hayley yes that's correct tuxayo 23:44 hayley ahh are you looking at the patches from before the most recent release? 23:44 hayley sorry I didn't consider that 23:44 hayley that's cool 23:45 hayley when I did oldoldstable I only considered patches from after the last release, but it's totally fine to look backwardds if you want to! 23:45 tuxayo > ahh are you looking at the patches from before the most recent release? 23:45 tuxayo yes, when 19.11 pushed a fair number of patches after 19.05 freezed. 23:47 tuxayo > when I did oldoldstable I only considered patches from after the last release, but it's totally fine to look backwardds if you want to! 23:47 tuxayo I would have missed some in my case. I just started from latest patch in 19.05.x, looked in the log of 19.11.x and I'm moving up to catch up 23:48 tuxayo > generally oldoldstable tries to only backported critical or major, as the goal is to protect the version and not really for enhancements, but everyone does it differently really 23:48 tuxayo I'm noting that. That will help when I hesitate for normal or minor bug. 23:48 hayley that's fine, I understand now! not a problem :) 23:52 tuxayo > when I did oldoldstable I only considered patches from after the last release, but it's totally fine to look backwardds if you want to! 23:52 tuxayo I wonder if that's not actually necessary to look before the latest release. To avoid having a gaps in the backporting. 23:55 hayley I'm not sure I totally understand 23:56 hayley what do you mean by a gap? 23:59 tuxayo If I would have started my maintenance only after the latest release v19.11.06. 23:59 tuxayo I would not have went through between 12 and 8 tickets compared to looking at the latest backport in 19.05.x, find it in 19.11.x, and begin from here.