Time  Nick          Message
22:13 caroline      thanks :)
22:11 tcohen        just vintage nowadays .-d
22:11 tcohen        and your setup is not an invalid one
22:10 tcohen        in 19.11 at least
22:10 tcohen        I just disabled plack to confirm it
21:27 caroline      even if my install is different from everyone else?
21:27 tcohen        caroline you should file a bug
21:27 tcohen        cait caroline I confirm enabling Plack brings syspref changing back
20:23 caroline      wahanui is getting attitude
20:23 wahanui       yaml is horrible for writing the descriptions anyway. embedded html yo.
20:23 cait          yaml?
20:19 tcohen        https://snipboard.io/1NikjX.jpg
20:18 tcohen        I'm seeing a problem saving sysprefs on a 19.11 server
20:18 tcohen        back
20:18 cait          woudl be good if we got tcohen back :)
20:17 cait          it might be the wrong idea anyway
20:17 cait          not sure where hte log woudl go on an old git install if at all
20:17 caroline      I have all my permissions  https://snipboard.io/vxdphu.jpg
20:16 cait          and I rarely destroy it, so also older
20:15 cait          caroline: it broke my devbox until i changed permissions
20:15 caroline      to date
20:15 caroline      I've had mine for a while (since I got this computer) and I just git pull and updatedatabase all the time to keep up
20:14 caroline      it seems dans 25284 is for new installs
20:12 cait          tcohen: ?
20:12 cait          yes, but not sure it would just fx things
20:11 caroline      well it's pushed to master and I just pulled like 10 minutes ago
20:10 cait          i thought it might be 25284
20:10 cait          oh that's really vintage
20:09 caroline      nothing new in there since january
20:09 caroline      I only have koha-error_log
20:09 caroline      I don't have plack so I don't have plack logs
20:08 caroline      hehe!
20:08 tcohen        vintage :-D
20:08 caroline      yes on the master branch
20:08 tcohen        caroline a dev install?
20:08 cait          can you check plack logs when you try to safe a pref?
20:07 cait          could still be
20:07 caroline      no it's installed on my computer
20:07 cait          caroline: okhadevbox?
20:07 cait          it's thepermission thing i bet
20:07 caroline      not sure about memcached
20:07 caroline      I don't use plack
20:07 tcohen        it flushes memcached, and restarts plack
20:06 caroline      what does that do?
20:06 tcohen        caroline, did you restart_all?
20:06 caroline      thinking it might solve the problem
20:05 caroline      I *just* did a git pull and updatedatabase.pl
20:05 caroline      Hi all, can anyone change system preferences? I've been trying since last week at lease to use my master to check things and it always gives me an error
16:49 tuxayo        So that can be a cause of not being notified of next messages.
16:49 tuxayo        Very subtle stuff in Bugzilla: If one sends their first comment in a bug and there is a mid air collision, then accepting to just sent the comment won't cause being added to the CC list.
16:00 nsk1          thanks for ur inputs guys
15:52 nsk1          cos a client wanted me to set up a library system for him
15:52 nsk1          i have been looking into koha only recently
15:52 nsk1          nice
15:27 reiveune      bye
15:27 caroline      it goes in intranetusercss
15:27 cait          thx!
15:27 pastebot      "caroline" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "css" (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/20947
15:26 caroline      sure
15:26 cait          can you share the css?
15:25 cait          more worried abotu changing the wrong library sometimes, so used to quickly check all the time
15:25 caroline      https://snipboard.io/27SxYn.jpg
15:25 cait          but it keeps disappearing when we reset/update
15:25 cait          we do something visual too
15:24 caroline      I always add a big red border on test installs with many warnings hehe
15:24 caroline      that way if you have more that one install (eg. live and test) you could have different themes
15:23 cait          i like that idea
15:22 caroline      ah here it is intranetcolorstylesheet
15:22 caroline      don't remember what the syspref is called, but it's the one I used for the purple theme
15:22 caroline      yeah I meant we could have a couple of css files that come with the installation and you can change it with the syspref
15:21 cait          and sorry for the typos
15:21 cait          hm unles themes != templats but a nice css file
15:20 cait          it got hard fast tbh
15:20 cait          we tried for a while with the OPAC
15:17 lukeG         +1
15:17 caroline      The software I used when I worked in a library had 2 or 3 themes that we could choose from, it might be something to contribute nsk1
15:17 Marie-Luce    +1
15:16 cait          +1
15:15 caroline      yes pls!
15:15 oleonard      caroline: New system preference, StaffInterfaceAllPurple
15:14 caroline      yes it was the gradient at the top that was purple :)
15:14 caroline      you can never have too much purple imo
15:14 oleonard      Haha I didn't remember that I shared it. It was just header changes as far as I can recall?
15:13 caroline      I don't know if oleonard still has his purple theme? I used that in the past for my dev installations because i'm a #crazypurplelady
15:12 nsk1          very picky
15:12 nsk1          clients never get satisfied with what they get
15:12 nsk1          yeah i understand caroline
15:12 caroline      sometimes I feel like librarians don't trust their staff to be intelligent enough (I get that some staff is techno-averse)
15:09 caroline      it's hard to maintain from one version to another, sometimes things change and you wonder why and it's because the class is different nouw or whatever
15:09 caroline      I've had some picky clients who are like "well, can we change this", and "can we hide that" I used to oblige them, but decided that they chose a software and that's what the software looks like, live with it, you'll get used to it
15:06 nsk1          will try it
15:05 nsk1          thanks a lot
15:05 nsk1          great
15:04 lukeG         nsk1: Yes, you can hide the About Koha button from the staff client by adding this to the IntranetUserJS: .icon_koha {display:none !important;}
15:03 nsk1          oh ok...a video tutorial...nice...thanks...will have a look
15:01 lukeG         nsk1: If you are looking for a simple way differentiate one staff client from the next or even from one branch to the next, here is a simple way: https://bywatersolutions.com/education/monday-minutes-adding-color-customizations-per-branch
14:59 nsk1          how can i remove the 'about koha' from the staff client dashboard?
14:58 nsk1          will stick to it
14:58 nsk1          ok i understand your point
14:57 cait          it's standard sofftware for libraries... they should not expect to get some thing unique
14:56 cait          and there is tons of stuff on the internet
14:56 cait          they will be ablet o use all the manuals and materials available easily
14:56 cait          nsk1: it's more a feature
14:55 nsk1          ok...cool...no worries....i think i will leave it as such and delve deeper into the juice...:)
14:53 oleonard      nsk1: Thousands of libraries using Koha have not worried that their staff interface looks too much like someone else's.
14:52 mariahedberg  koha_1       | Cannnot open file No such file or directory at /kohadevbox/misc4dev/cp_debian_files.pl line 35. koha_koha_1 exited with code 2
14:52 mariahedberg  Hi all! I used the command `ku` to start the koha-testing-docker, and after solving some small problems it looks like it's starting, but in the middle of all the output I got
14:49 nsk1          in case they have come across a library using koha b4
14:49 nsk1          ok...thing is...i am doing this for a library and i am a bit worried that someone in there or who has been to many libraries b4 would sense the sameness
14:48 cait          i'd recommend not doing it before you get a beter feel for things and feel it's absolutely anavoidable
14:47 cait          but it's rarely used feature for reasons i guess - koha can be monthly updated and if something is changed in teh standard templats (which happens quite often) your modified files will need to be manually canged as well
14:47 nsk1          i see...ok...lemme try that...any other suggestions that u would give b4 i attempt this change? any tips? :)
14:46 cait          you'd need Template Toolkit
14:45 nsk1          for creating a new theme, do i need to know perl?
14:45 nsk1          ok i understand..:)
14:44 cait          it's just moving as such a fast pace that if you start out with something like this, you are getting into trouble with your maintenance pretty fast
14:44 cait          but Koha does support that
14:44 cait          you can create your own theme if you really want to - we just would not recommen dit :)
14:42 nsk1          no fun setting up everything as is...:)
14:41 nsk1          sorry but i am not trying to sound too smart or anything...but any open source code (with UI) that i tend to pick up...i just try to change the UI...i mean, atleast that could be my contribution when i set up something..:)
14:40 nsk1          ok...strange...so no one wants to change the UI design and all of them are happy having the same designs across so many libraries....:)
14:38 cait          i haven't heard ofsuch a request yet and we support over 130 libraries ;)
14:38 nsk1          so no one has tried it b4?
14:38 nsk1          i see
14:36 cait          it's not so simple in terms of html and page structure
14:28 oleonard      Okay.
14:25 nsk1          and i am surprised that u guys have thought about so much stuff in the library and allowed so many things to be customised but a simple thing like alignment is so difficult to do
14:25 nsk1          no the simple ones like colors and text r working...slightly more complicated like alignment isnt working...either it isnt working or i dont know where and how to make the changes
14:22 oleonard      Oh okay, I though you said the CSS preferences weren't working for you.
14:21 nsk1          but alignment is something that i am unable to do
14:21 nsk1          that is relatively easy
14:21 nsk1          yes i have managed to change the colors
14:12 oleonard      I recommend starting by making some color changes in order to get some practice
14:11 oleonard      You may have to resort to JavaScript.
14:10 oleonard      But there aren't quick ways I know of to re-order elements using CSS overrides.
14:10 oleonard      We use the Bootstrap framework for layout (v. 3)
14:09 oleonard      Changing the order and placement of columns is more difficult though.
14:09 oleonard      That gives you the information you need to override the CSS which is included in Koha. You can put that CSS in  IntranetUserCSS if you want to change the staff interface
14:07 nsk1          yes i do know the inspect element function
14:06 oleonard      Are you familiar with using the browser's DOM inspector to investigate the page's CSS?
14:06 oleonard      The preferences definitely work, so it's probably an issue with the CSS you've tried.
14:00 nsk1          i have tried it but it doesnt seem to work...which is why i want to know whether i am doing the right thing and changing it at the right places
13:59 oleonard      Have you tested the CSS-related system preferences?
13:58 nsk1          not having the same design and colors as usual
13:58 nsk1          just a different looking UI
13:57 oleonard      May I ask why?
13:55 nsk1          one below the other
13:54 nsk1          i want to align them to the left
13:54 nsk1          they are at the center
13:54 nsk1          like circulation, patrons, etc
13:54 nsk1          module wise
13:54 nsk1          he sees a dashboard
13:54 nsk1          once the staff logs in
13:53 nsk1          one minute
13:53 oleonard      Can you explain more about what you want to do?
13:47 nsk1          how can i realign the menus on the dashboard? can u point me to some place that talks about it?
13:46 oleonard      Usually, depending on how drastic the changes are
13:45 nsk1          so these kinda customisations are possible via css and JS itself...no need to use perl...right?
13:42 oleonard      You should avoid making changes to the Perl scripts or templates
13:41 oleonard      nsk1 you should try to make all such customizations using CSS and if necessary JS
13:41 nsk1          do i need to know perl to do these?
13:41 nsk1          i am trying to change the overall design of the UI...like colors, moving the menus from center to the left..things like that
13:40 nsk1          hi need some help
13:37 tuxayo        :D
13:30 * cait        is so happy
13:30 cait          113 participants
13:30 TimothyAlexis tuxayo & kidclamp kd was enough this time. Thank you :D
13:28 kidclamp      yeah, I have gottenthings stuck before
13:28 tuxayo        kd always did the trick for me but if anything weird remains until now, this volume thing will be handy.
13:27 * tuxayo      notes about 'docker volume ls'
13:26 * kidclamp    waves back
13:26 * oleonard    waves to kidclamp
13:26 kidclamp      you may need prune any volume that didn't get cleared
13:26 kidclamp      after kd try 'docker volume ls'
13:25 tuxayo        TimothyAlexis: did you use "kd" to shutdown koha-testing-docker last time?
13:25 kidclamp      make sure the containers are all stopped
13:25 kidclamp      run kd first
13:23 TimothyAlexis koha_koha_1 exited with code 1
13:23 TimothyAlexis I have koha-testing-docker set up and today when I'm running the ku alias I get this: koha_1       | Database is not empty! at /kohadevbox/misc4dev/populate_db.pl line 95.
13:03 cait          97 participants right now
13:00 tuxayo        🤞🤞
12:44 Joubu         enjoy cait!
12:44 Joubu         tcohen: please post the different links on the bug report. Could be useful later :)
12:43 cait          ok, our virtual user meeting for german speaking countres is on... everyone cros fingers please
12:41 tcohen        (stretch has the fixed 4.041
12:41 tcohen        which is the version in buster/focal
12:40 tcohen        and one dev confirmed it works correctly on 4.050
12:40 tcohen        the regression is not confirmed
12:40 tcohen        I have those logs as well
12:39 Joubu         cannot remember when, but I can find them in the logs
12:39 Joubu         I sent you the different outputs of the mysql_is_num value in PM earlier this week
12:37 tcohen        I will double check before QA
12:37 tcohen        ok
12:37 tcohen        yes
12:37 tcohen        ok, there's a DBD::mysql report on Github saying there's a regression in the wild
12:37 Joubu         we talked about that few days ago, the problem will be for jessie
12:37 Joubu         you told me it was
12:37 Joubu         no
12:36 tcohen        Joubu are you sure 25513 removal on Koha::Object is safe?
12:34 tcohen        I'm on it
12:28 Joubu         tcohen told me he was going to QA 25513
12:27 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25601 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , Error when unsetting default checkout, hold and return policy for a specific library
12:27 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25608 major, P5 - low, ---, didier.gautheron, Passed QA , (regression) Inventory is broken
12:27 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25444 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , Course reserve settings are not saved on edit
12:27 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25513 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , acquisitions_orders.t is failing randomly
12:27 Joubu         ashimema For the release, you will need bug 25513, bug 25444, bug 25608 and bug 25601
12:20 Joubu         it's political here as well ;)
12:19 oleonard      Joubu: Elsewhere?
12:18 wahanui       it has been said that that is how it works now
12:18 Joubu         oleonard: Where that?
12:18 TimothyAlexis oleonard Thank you.
12:18 cait1         not sure if that is totally true
12:17 oleonard      Congratulations to anyone who lives in a country where viruses are not a political issue
12:17 cait1         I believe most of ours are closed or do pick-up of requested items
12:16 cait1         :(
12:13 oleonard      We officially reopened yesterday, and already patrons are violating social distancing rules. I don't envy the jobs of the front-line librarians.
12:12 tuxayo        Best wishes to all librarians trying to maintain contact with and between patrons. Though task.
12:09 oleonard      We're trying to make other plans since we'll have no in-person events for the foreseeable future :(
12:09 * oleonard    bugged them about making a public repo and they said they would
12:08 oleonard      Drupal-based, somewhat open source but no community as far as I can tell
12:08 tcohen        Oh I see
12:07 tcohen        Bookpoints?
12:06 * oleonard    has been distracted from Koha by another project... setting up Bookpoints for our summer reading program
12:04 tuxayo        (Bug Reporting Guidelines, Developers Handbook, Coding Guidelines, etc)
12:04 tuxayo        oleonard: trying sign off a few stuff in case it's useful for 20.05 release. Reading doc about RMaint, and also related doc.
12:01 oleonard      What's new tuxayo?
12:00 tuxayo        hi o/
11:40 TimothyAlexis Hello
11:32 wahanui       salut, tcohen
11:32 tcohen        bonjour
11:17 * cait1       waves
11:05 * oleonard    waves
09:48 cait1         hm andreashm is loud today :)
09:12 huginn        Joubu: The operation succeeded.
09:12 Joubu         @later tell ashimema in the release notes for 20.05, in the companies section, there are some domain urls, should not we replace them? https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-release-notes/-/blob/master/release_notes_20_05_00.md
09:01 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25444 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Failed QA , Course reserve settings are not saved on edit
09:01 Joubu         khall: Around already? Can you have a look at my last comments on bug 25444 please?
07:22 Null404       and I half solved a problem: I added welcome screen as new news on first position
07:21 Null404       I use 18.11
07:21 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=23794 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to master , Convert OpacMainUserBlock system preference to news block
07:21 magnuse       Null404: are you looking at 20.05? from that version (bug 23794) OpacMainUserBlock has been moved to a "news block"
06:52 magnuse       \o/
06:48 wahanui       hello, alex_a
06:48 alex_a        Bonjour
06:45 reiveune      hello
06:43 Null404       and after search button
06:43 Null404       in 17.11 it was right after koha logo and logout button
06:41 Null404       I want to get text like "welcome to library system of ... library " as welcome screen
06:40 Null404       how to set "OpacMainUserBlock " in top of OPAC site ?
06:39 Null404       hello everyone
00:20 mtj           https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-testing-docker/pipelines
00:20 mtj           aah, last 3 builds after pipeline 148717557 have succeeded - so problem is fixed
00:18 mtj           tcohen: perhaps we run it again?
00:18 mtj           Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Abort.
00:18 mtj           the job seems to have aborted? i cant explain why...
00:17 mtj           ashimema:  re https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-testing-docker/pipelines/148717557
00:16 mtj           hi #koha
00:09 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=23463 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to master , Move C4::Items CRUD subroutines to Koha::Item
00:09 did           it's me or inventory is broken in 20.5? since bug 23463