Time Nick Message 00:09 did it's me or inventory is broken in 20.5? since bug 23463 00:09 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=23463 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to master , Move C4::Items CRUD subroutines to Koha::Item 00:16 mtj hi #koha 00:17 mtj ashimema: re https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-testing-docker/pipelines/148717557 00:18 mtj the job seems to have aborted? i cant explain why... 00:18 mtj Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Abort. 00:18 mtj tcohen: perhaps we run it again? 00:20 mtj aah, last 3 builds after pipeline 148717557 have succeeded - so problem is fixed 00:20 mtj https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-testing-docker/pipelines 06:39 Null404 hello everyone 06:40 Null404 how to set "OpacMainUserBlock " in top of OPAC site ? 06:41 Null404 I want to get text like "welcome to library system of ... library " as welcome screen 06:43 Null404 in 17.11 it was right after koha logo and logout button 06:43 Null404 and after search button 06:45 reiveune hello 06:48 alex_a Bonjour 06:48 wahanui hello, alex_a 06:52 magnuse \o/ 07:21 magnuse Null404: are you looking at 20.05? from that version (bug 23794) OpacMainUserBlock has been moved to a "news block" 07:21 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=23794 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to master , Convert OpacMainUserBlock system preference to news block 07:21 Null404 I use 18.11 07:22 Null404 and I half solved a problem: I added welcome screen as new news on first position 09:01 Joubu khall: Around already? Can you have a look at my last comments on bug 25444 please? 09:01 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25444 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Failed QA , Course reserve settings are not saved on edit 09:12 Joubu @later tell ashimema in the release notes for 20.05, in the companies section, there are some domain urls, should not we replace them? https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-release-notes/-/blob/master/release_notes_20_05_00.md 09:12 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 09:48 cait1 hm andreashm is loud today :) 11:05 * oleonard waves 11:17 * cait1 waves 11:32 tcohen bonjour 11:32 wahanui salut, tcohen 11:40 TimothyAlexis Hello 12:00 tuxayo hi o/ 12:01 oleonard What's new tuxayo? 12:04 tuxayo oleonard: trying sign off a few stuff in case it's useful for 20.05 release. Reading doc about RMaint, and also related doc. 12:04 tuxayo (Bug Reporting Guidelines, Developers Handbook, Coding Guidelines, etc) 12:06 * oleonard has been distracted from Koha by another project... setting up Bookpoints for our summer reading program 12:07 tcohen Bookpoints? 12:08 tcohen Oh I see 12:08 oleonard Drupal-based, somewhat open source but no community as far as I can tell 12:09 * oleonard bugged them about making a public repo and they said they would 12:09 oleonard We're trying to make other plans since we'll have no in-person events for the foreseeable future :( 12:12 tuxayo Best wishes to all librarians trying to maintain contact with and between patrons. Though task. 12:13 oleonard We officially reopened yesterday, and already patrons are violating social distancing rules. I don't envy the jobs of the front-line librarians. 12:16 cait1 :( 12:17 cait1 I believe most of ours are closed or do pick-up of requested items 12:17 oleonard Congratulations to anyone who lives in a country where viruses are not a political issue 12:18 cait1 not sure if that is totally true 12:18 TimothyAlexis oleonard Thank you. 12:18 Joubu oleonard: Where that? 12:18 wahanui it has been said that that is how it works now 12:19 oleonard Joubu: Elsewhere? 12:20 Joubu it's political here as well ;) 12:27 Joubu ashimema For the release, you will need bug 25513, bug 25444, bug 25608 and bug 25601 12:27 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25513 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , acquisitions_orders.t is failing randomly 12:27 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25444 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , Course reserve settings are not saved on edit 12:27 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25608 major, P5 - low, ---, didier.gautheron, Passed QA , (regression) Inventory is broken 12:27 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25601 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , Error when unsetting default checkout, hold and return policy for a specific library 12:28 Joubu tcohen told me he was going to QA 25513 12:34 tcohen I'm on it 12:36 tcohen Joubu are you sure 25513 removal on Koha::Object is safe? 12:37 Joubu no 12:37 Joubu you told me it was 12:37 Joubu we talked about that few days ago, the problem will be for jessie 12:37 tcohen ok, there's a DBD::mysql report on Github saying there's a regression in the wild 12:37 tcohen yes 12:37 tcohen ok 12:37 tcohen I will double check before QA 12:39 Joubu I sent you the different outputs of the mysql_is_num value in PM earlier this week 12:39 Joubu cannot remember when, but I can find them in the logs 12:40 tcohen I have those logs as well 12:40 tcohen the regression is not confirmed 12:40 tcohen and one dev confirmed it works correctly on 4.050 12:41 tcohen which is the version in buster/focal 12:41 tcohen (stretch has the fixed 4.041 12:43 cait ok, our virtual user meeting for german speaking countres is on... everyone cros fingers please 12:44 Joubu tcohen: please post the different links on the bug report. Could be useful later :) 12:44 Joubu enjoy cait! 13:00 tuxayo 🤞🤞 13:03 cait 97 participants right now 13:23 TimothyAlexis I have koha-testing-docker set up and today when I'm running the ku alias I get this: koha_1 | Database is not empty! at /kohadevbox/misc4dev/populate_db.pl line 95. 13:23 TimothyAlexis koha_koha_1 exited with code 1 13:25 kidclamp run kd first 13:25 kidclamp make sure the containers are all stopped 13:25 tuxayo TimothyAlexis: did you use "kd" to shutdown koha-testing-docker last time? 13:26 kidclamp after kd try 'docker volume ls' 13:26 kidclamp you may need prune any volume that didn't get cleared 13:26 * oleonard waves to kidclamp 13:26 * kidclamp waves back 13:27 * tuxayo notes about 'docker volume ls' 13:28 tuxayo kd always did the trick for me but if anything weird remains until now, this volume thing will be handy. 13:28 kidclamp yeah, I have gottenthings stuck before 13:30 TimothyAlexis tuxayo & kidclamp kd was enough this time. Thank you :D 13:30 cait 113 participants 13:30 * cait is so happy 13:37 tuxayo :D 13:40 nsk1 hi need some help 13:41 nsk1 i am trying to change the overall design of the UI...like colors, moving the menus from center to the left..things like that 13:41 nsk1 do i need to know perl to do these? 13:41 oleonard nsk1 you should try to make all such customizations using CSS and if necessary JS 13:42 oleonard You should avoid making changes to the Perl scripts or templates 13:45 nsk1 so these kinda customisations are possible via css and JS itself...no need to use perl...right? 13:46 oleonard Usually, depending on how drastic the changes are 13:47 nsk1 how can i realign the menus on the dashboard? can u point me to some place that talks about it? 13:53 oleonard Can you explain more about what you want to do? 13:53 nsk1 one minute 13:54 nsk1 once the staff logs in 13:54 nsk1 he sees a dashboard 13:54 nsk1 module wise 13:54 nsk1 like circulation, patrons, etc 13:54 nsk1 they are at the center 13:54 nsk1 i want to align them to the left 13:55 nsk1 one below the other 13:57 oleonard May I ask why? 13:58 nsk1 just a different looking UI 13:58 nsk1 not having the same design and colors as usual 13:59 oleonard Have you tested the CSS-related system preferences? 14:00 nsk1 i have tried it but it doesnt seem to work...which is why i want to know whether i am doing the right thing and changing it at the right places 14:06 oleonard The preferences definitely work, so it's probably an issue with the CSS you've tried. 14:06 oleonard Are you familiar with using the browser's DOM inspector to investigate the page's CSS? 14:07 nsk1 yes i do know the inspect element function 14:09 oleonard That gives you the information you need to override the CSS which is included in Koha. You can put that CSS in IntranetUserCSS if you want to change the staff interface 14:09 oleonard Changing the order and placement of columns is more difficult though. 14:10 oleonard We use the Bootstrap framework for layout (v. 3) 14:10 oleonard But there aren't quick ways I know of to re-order elements using CSS overrides. 14:11 oleonard You may have to resort to JavaScript. 14:12 oleonard I recommend starting by making some color changes in order to get some practice 14:21 nsk1 yes i have managed to change the colors 14:21 nsk1 that is relatively easy 14:21 nsk1 but alignment is something that i am unable to do 14:22 oleonard Oh okay, I though you said the CSS preferences weren't working for you. 14:25 nsk1 no the simple ones like colors and text r working...slightly more complicated like alignment isnt working...either it isnt working or i dont know where and how to make the changes 14:25 nsk1 and i am surprised that u guys have thought about so much stuff in the library and allowed so many things to be customised but a simple thing like alignment is so difficult to do 14:28 oleonard Okay. 14:36 cait it's not so simple in terms of html and page structure 14:38 nsk1 i see 14:38 nsk1 so no one has tried it b4? 14:38 cait i haven't heard ofsuch a request yet and we support over 130 libraries ;) 14:40 nsk1 ok...strange...so no one wants to change the UI design and all of them are happy having the same designs across so many libraries....:) 14:41 nsk1 sorry but i am not trying to sound too smart or anything...but any open source code (with UI) that i tend to pick up...i just try to change the UI...i mean, atleast that could be my contribution when i set up something..:) 14:42 nsk1 no fun setting up everything as is...:) 14:44 cait you can create your own theme if you really want to - we just would not recommen dit :) 14:44 cait but Koha does support that 14:44 cait it's just moving as such a fast pace that if you start out with something like this, you are getting into trouble with your maintenance pretty fast 14:45 nsk1 ok i understand..:) 14:45 nsk1 for creating a new theme, do i need to know perl? 14:46 cait you'd need Template Toolkit 14:47 nsk1 i see...ok...lemme try that...any other suggestions that u would give b4 i attempt this change? any tips? :) 14:47 cait but it's rarely used feature for reasons i guess - koha can be monthly updated and if something is changed in teh standard templats (which happens quite often) your modified files will need to be manually canged as well 14:48 cait i'd recommend not doing it before you get a beter feel for things and feel it's absolutely anavoidable 14:49 nsk1 ok...thing is...i am doing this for a library and i am a bit worried that someone in there or who has been to many libraries b4 would sense the sameness 14:49 nsk1 in case they have come across a library using koha b4 14:52 mariahedberg Hi all! I used the command `ku` to start the koha-testing-docker, and after solving some small problems it looks like it's starting, but in the middle of all the output I got 14:52 mariahedberg koha_1 | Cannnot open file No such file or directory at /kohadevbox/misc4dev/cp_debian_files.pl line 35. koha_koha_1 exited with code 2 14:53 oleonard nsk1: Thousands of libraries using Koha have not worried that their staff interface looks too much like someone else's. 14:55 nsk1 ok...cool...no worries....i think i will leave it as such and delve deeper into the juice...:) 14:56 cait nsk1: it's more a feature 14:56 cait they will be ablet o use all the manuals and materials available easily 14:56 cait and there is tons of stuff on the internet 14:57 cait it's standard sofftware for libraries... they should not expect to get some thing unique 14:58 nsk1 ok i understand your point 14:58 nsk1 will stick to it 14:59 nsk1 how can i remove the 'about koha' from the staff client dashboard? 15:01 lukeG nsk1: If you are looking for a simple way differentiate one staff client from the next or even from one branch to the next, here is a simple way: https://bywatersolutions.com/education/monday-minutes-adding-color-customizations-per-branch 15:03 nsk1 oh ok...a video tutorial...nice...thanks...will have a look 15:04 lukeG nsk1: Yes, you can hide the About Koha button from the staff client by adding this to the IntranetUserJS: .icon_koha {display:none !important;} 15:05 nsk1 great 15:05 nsk1 thanks a lot 15:06 nsk1 will try it 15:09 caroline I've had some picky clients who are like "well, can we change this", and "can we hide that" I used to oblige them, but decided that they chose a software and that's what the software looks like, live with it, you'll get used to it 15:09 caroline it's hard to maintain from one version to another, sometimes things change and you wonder why and it's because the class is different nouw or whatever 15:12 caroline sometimes I feel like librarians don't trust their staff to be intelligent enough (I get that some staff is techno-averse) 15:12 nsk1 yeah i understand caroline 15:12 nsk1 clients never get satisfied with what they get 15:12 nsk1 very picky 15:13 caroline I don't know if oleonard still has his purple theme? I used that in the past for my dev installations because i'm a #crazypurplelady 15:14 oleonard Haha I didn't remember that I shared it. It was just header changes as far as I can recall? 15:14 caroline you can never have too much purple imo 15:14 caroline yes it was the gradient at the top that was purple :) 15:15 oleonard caroline: New system preference, StaffInterfaceAllPurple 15:15 caroline yes pls! 15:16 cait +1 15:17 Marie-Luce +1 15:17 caroline The software I used when I worked in a library had 2 or 3 themes that we could choose from, it might be something to contribute nsk1 15:17 lukeG +1 15:20 cait we tried for a while with the OPAC 15:20 cait it got hard fast tbh 15:21 cait hm unles themes != templats but a nice css file 15:21 cait and sorry for the typos 15:22 caroline yeah I meant we could have a couple of css files that come with the installation and you can change it with the syspref 15:22 caroline don't remember what the syspref is called, but it's the one I used for the purple theme 15:22 caroline ah here it is intranetcolorstylesheet 15:23 cait i like that idea 15:24 caroline that way if you have more that one install (eg. live and test) you could have different themes 15:24 caroline I always add a big red border on test installs with many warnings hehe 15:25 cait we do something visual too 15:25 cait but it keeps disappearing when we reset/update 15:25 caroline https://snipboard.io/27SxYn.jpg 15:25 cait more worried abotu changing the wrong library sometimes, so used to quickly check all the time 15:26 cait can you share the css? 15:26 caroline sure 15:27 pastebot "caroline" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "css" (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/20947 15:27 cait thx! 15:27 caroline it goes in intranetusercss 15:27 reiveune bye 15:52 nsk1 nice 15:52 nsk1 i have been looking into koha only recently 15:52 nsk1 cos a client wanted me to set up a library system for him 16:00 nsk1 thanks for ur inputs guys 16:49 tuxayo Very subtle stuff in Bugzilla: If one sends their first comment in a bug and there is a mid air collision, then accepting to just sent the comment won't cause being added to the CC list. 16:49 tuxayo So that can be a cause of not being notified of next messages. 20:05 caroline Hi all, can anyone change system preferences? I've been trying since last week at lease to use my master to check things and it always gives me an error 20:05 caroline I *just* did a git pull and updatedatabase.pl 20:06 caroline thinking it might solve the problem 20:06 tcohen caroline, did you restart_all? 20:06 caroline what does that do? 20:07 tcohen it flushes memcached, and restarts plack 20:07 caroline I don't use plack 20:07 caroline not sure about memcached 20:07 cait it's thepermission thing i bet 20:07 cait caroline: okhadevbox? 20:07 caroline no it's installed on my computer 20:07 cait could still be 20:08 cait can you check plack logs when you try to safe a pref? 20:08 tcohen caroline a dev install? 20:08 caroline yes on the master branch 20:08 tcohen vintage :-D 20:08 caroline hehe! 20:09 caroline I don't have plack so I don't have plack logs 20:09 caroline I only have koha-error_log 20:09 caroline nothing new in there since january 20:10 cait oh that's really vintage 20:10 cait i thought it might be 25284 20:11 caroline well it's pushed to master and I just pulled like 10 minutes ago 20:12 cait yes, but not sure it would just fx things 20:12 cait tcohen: ? 20:14 caroline it seems dans 25284 is for new installs 20:15 caroline I've had mine for a while (since I got this computer) and I just git pull and updatedatabase all the time to keep up 20:15 caroline to date 20:15 cait caroline: it broke my devbox until i changed permissions 20:16 cait and I rarely destroy it, so also older 20:17 caroline I have all my permissions https://snipboard.io/vxdphu.jpg 20:17 cait not sure where hte log woudl go on an old git install if at all 20:17 cait it might be the wrong idea anyway 20:18 cait woudl be good if we got tcohen back :) 20:18 tcohen back 20:18 tcohen I'm seeing a problem saving sysprefs on a 19.11 server 20:19 tcohen https://snipboard.io/1NikjX.jpg 20:23 cait yaml? 20:23 wahanui yaml is horrible for writing the descriptions anyway. embedded html yo. 20:23 caroline wahanui is getting attitude 21:27 tcohen cait caroline I confirm enabling Plack brings syspref changing back 21:27 tcohen caroline you should file a bug 21:27 caroline even if my install is different from everyone else? 22:10 tcohen I just disabled plack to confirm it 22:10 tcohen in 19.11 at least 22:11 tcohen and your setup is not an invalid one 22:11 tcohen just vintage nowadays .-d 22:13 caroline thanks :)