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19:34 tuxayo       I guess it also means that the 2nd is also accepted. Moving on.
19:33 tuxayo       https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines#PERL8:_Undefined_arguments_at_the_end_of_function_calls
19:33 tuxayo       Canonical guideline:
19:32 tuxayo       wait maybe it means that the 2nd syntax is okay.
19:31 tuxayo       Should be «it's not OK  to pass undef. »
19:31 tuxayo       > If you call a sub and don't use some arguments at the end of the sub, it's OK not to pass undef.
19:31 tuxayo       https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Developers_Handbook#Use_only_needed_parameters_.28PERL8.29
19:31 tuxayo       Can someone confirm this? :
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18:24 wahanui      Congratulations!
18:24 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
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17:51 wahanui      Congratulations!
17:51 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
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17:30 kohaputti    well, gotta keep debugging next week, see ya!
17:26 kohaputti    so could be maybe something to do with DB timeouts
17:25 kohaputti    for one these random things the error is "# Premature connection close"
17:14 kohaputti    but we probably don't do that with tests... or do we?
17:14 kohaputti    thinking if it could be some sort of caching
17:13 kohaputti    Joubu, hmm, run 50 times the Biblio.t without failure :/
17:10 oleonard_    tuxayo: 7 branches, total staff about 50 people
17:10 kidclamp     what I said is true though, just solves another problems
17:10 kidclamp     ah, you weren't able to read from Koha in the docker, I misunderstood
17:10 tuxayo       oleonard_: BTW, how many librarians are there in ACPL? I have not idea of big of a network that is.
17:06 oleonard_    Thanks tuxayo!
17:05 kohaputti    kidclamp, my explanation was probably unclear, maybe this is simpler: kohaclone needs to be me:me, and directories above it need to be me:me OR readable by others group
17:04 tuxayo       Koha wouldn't look the same without you around making it nice ^o^
17:04 tuxayo       oleonard_: It totally makes sense to see your library as a huge sponsor of Koha. Since so many years and so much time constantly.
17:03 kohaputti    anyway.. now for reproducing the issue with the test Joubu brought up
17:02 kohaputti    so I moved now the directory to a directory that everybode else can read but chowned it with "me"
17:01 kohaputti    kidclamp, I think the issue was that the directories above kohaclone were in different group/user than what kohaclone was and those were also without read access for anybody else
17:00 kidclamp     i just to 'sudo chown -R me:me ./' in kohaclone when I need to work outside of docker
17:00 kidclamp     kohaputti: if you touch the kohaclone from inside of testing docker you may change the files owner to root
16:59 kohaputti    whee! Moving kohaclone to directory where other users can read it too worked
16:53 kohaputti    probably some distro defaults, I will have to dig up how those are
16:53 kohaputti    there is no info how the permissions should be
16:53 kohaputti    the permissions for my kohaclone are messed up, well running the k-t-d somehow messes it
16:51 wahanui      rumour has it koha-testing-docker is https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-testing-docker
16:51 ashimema     koha-testing-docker
16:51 wahanui      koha-testing-docker is even more awesome...
16:51 kohaputti    koha-testing-docker...
16:51 kohaputti    k-t-d?
16:51 ashimema     A simple pull and flush of the dockers might be the winner
16:51 ashimema     There's been a fair bit going on in k-t-d of late..
16:48 kohaputti    I think I got the issue here... just have to now figure out a way to solve this
16:44 ashimema     Not seen that one
16:44 ashimema     Weird
16:43 kohaputti    anybody come across this?
16:43 kohaputti    I wonder if the issue is with the permission or can't locate modern perl
16:42 kohaputti    hmm, the koha-testing docker gives me: koha_1       | Can't locate Modern/Perl.pm:   /kohadevbox/koha/Modern/Perl.pm: Permission denied at /kohadevbox/misc4dev/populate_db.pl line 16.
16:41 ashimema     Thanks oleanard
16:40 ashimema     Credit where it's due and all that.
16:40 ashimema     I like to try and showcase how much of a community we are.. so I'm happy to add your library to at least one bug to get them mentioned overall.. they do allot by letting you do so much. 🙂
16:24 oleonard_    However I've never felt it necessary to take the extra step of adding the sponsor info
16:22 oleonard_    ashimema: Technically my library is "sponsoring" 95% of my work because I'm doing it on library time
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16:19 huginn       ashimema: The operation succeeded.
16:19 ashimema     @later tell oleonard Was bug 24347 sponsored.. or would you perhaps like to have your ibrary listed as sponsors for it ?
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16:03 huginn       Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24347 new feature, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED FIXED, Add a 'search to order' function
16:03 ashimema     oleonard did anyone sponsor bug 24347 ?
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15:42 huginn       Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25513 normal, P5 - low, ---, chris, NEW , acquisitions_orders.t is failing randomly
15:41 ashimema     ok.. baffled by bug 25513.. passes every time for me.. and frankly it looks like it's just getting data out of the database and turning it into json
15:32 nsk          i am able to see the files with the bootstrap code on github but once i install, i am unable to see it in any linux folder
15:31 nsk          thanks ashi
15:30 ashimema     bootstrap nsk
15:25 kohaputti    I don't have the devbox handy right now
15:25 kohaputti    Joubu, do you happen to still have the branchcode around for the extra one?
15:22 nsk          what framework is used for the front end of koha?
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15:13 reiveune     bye
15:13 ashimema     weird
15:06 cait         ashimema: today has been quite a busy day here too
15:05 Joubu        that's the issue, we are getting 1 library that is coming from.. somewhere else
15:05 Joubu        we retrieve 1 library that is NOT in the library list we created before
15:05 Joubu        kohaputti: with the patch applied you can run the test file in a bash loop, around 20-30 iterations will get it failed, with the diag statement I let
15:04 Joubu        and we get 7 instead of 6, so 1 more (times X) loop
15:04 kohaputti    yes we are looping over two biblios and two patrons
15:04 Joubu        kohaputti: the problem is that we are looping on something
15:04 kohaputti    Joubu, I'm checking the code on master now, have not run the test yet
15:04 Joubu        kohaputti: ho right, got it now.
15:03 Joubu        kohaputti: about 25540 - do you get the error on master, or with the patches?
15:03 ashimema     it wouldn't reach me.. the amount of mail I've already got in my inbox was the reason I lost track of time in the first place ;)
15:02 Joubu        you can ask google to mailbomb you when an event is coming... :D
15:02 huginn       Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25513 normal, P5 - low, ---, chris, NEW , acquisitions_orders.t is failing randomly
15:02 ashimema     I'm looking at bug 25513 now
15:02 ashimema     right..
15:01 ashimema     it was really nice to see you'd stepped in just as I was remembering that I'd forgotten about the meeting
15:01 cait         me too if you need a break
15:01 ashimema     Happy to help out as and when though in the future
15:01 ashimema     I'm due a break from that mate ;)
15:01 ashimema     lol
15:00 Joubu        hum, feeling I am quite bad at chairing, so feel free to continue if you wish ashimema! :)
15:00 cait         Joubu++
14:59 ashimema     thanks for taking over Joubu
14:59 ashimema     Joubu++
14:59 davidnind    Joubu++
14:59 oleonard_    Joubu++
14:59 Joubu        thanks
14:59 huginn       Log:            http://meetings.koha-community.org/2020/development_irc_meeting_20_may_2020.2020-05-20-14.00.log.html
14:59 huginn       Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2020/development_irc_meeting_20_may_2020.2020-05-20-14.00.txt
14:59 huginn       Minutes:        http://meetings.koha-community.org/2020/development_irc_meeting_20_may_2020.2020-05-20-14.00.html
14:59 huginn       Meeting ended Wed May 20 14:59:09 2020 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
14:59 Joubu        #endmeeting
14:58 ashimema     oh fearless new RM
14:58 ashimema     works for me
14:58 wahanui      it has been said that that is how it works now
14:58 Joubu        that?
14:58 Joubu        #info Next meeting: 3 June 2020, 20 UTC
14:58 Joubu        #topic Set time of next meeting
14:57 cait         it's explained nicely on the wiki
14:57 ashimema     should be :)
14:56 Joubu        is the "agreed" enough?
14:55 Joubu        #agreed Use "and" instead of "&" w
14:55 ashimema     and 'Baker & Taylor.' is a noun as a whole so the & is OK there
14:55 davidnind    thanks oleonard!
14:55 cait         but waiting for after release, can't fix them now anyway because of translations
14:55 cait         also going to file a ton of bugs where I found inconsistencies when translating - beware!
14:55 oleonard_    Unless it's the name of something like "Baker & Taylor"
14:54 cait         docs team working towards more consistency - I like it
14:54 ashimema     sounds sensible enough to me..
14:54 oleonard_    When we're adding a label to something we should spell out "and" and avoid the use of "&"
14:53 Joubu        no idea what's that
14:53 Joubu        "FYI - Terminology addition (from 7 May 2020 documentation meeting): Spell & in full unless part of a proper noun or common abbreviation, for example: Notices and slips, not Notices & slips; Baker & Taylor. "
14:53 Joubu        #topic  Review of coding guidelines
14:53 Joubu        #info  Review of coding guidelines
14:53 kohaputti    yes
14:53 Joubu        kohaputti: ok, let's talk about it after the meeting.
14:52 kohaputti    huh, it says "planned 29". And then it runs more than that
14:52 Joubu        alone I am stuck
14:52 Joubu        I am avaible if any of you want to work on them
14:51 Joubu        kohaputti: because it stopped before all tests run
14:51 ashimema     shall we drawer the meeting to a close and then work through these bugs as a group
14:50 ashimema     yeah.. I did feel it should be paged by default
14:50 huginn       Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25540 normal, P5 - low, ---, chris, NEW , Biblio.t is failing randomly
14:50 kohaputti    Joubu, the failure for bug 25540 says "# Looks like you planned 29 tests but ran 31." so something going on with that
14:50 Joubu        the CPU of my laptop almost burns and never end, had to hard reboot
14:49 Joubu        the tests say it is, but it means that if you GET 6 times the route, then the server.... explode?
14:49 Joubu        without pagination, and I am wondering if this is expected
14:49 Joubu        s
14:49 Joubu        also, I noticed that the GET route for items retrieve *all* the item
14:48 Joubu        that I can recreate locally
14:48 Joubu        there is something weird about it, it fails with a "Inactivity timeout" error
14:47 talljoy      kidclamp and i looked as well at that one and couldn't make any headway this morning
14:47 Joubu        I have let ideas/tracks on some them
14:47 ashimema     the items api one for example has exhausted my brain already
14:47 kohaputti    I'm having my eyes on them right now but no guarantees I will find the cause either
14:47 ashimema     I have been trying to get to them this week but would also appreciate more hands on them
14:46 Joubu        anyone volunteering?
14:46 ashimema     thanks for grouping those Joubu
14:45 Joubu        there are few others, but those 5 need to be fixed. Or at least know why they are failing
14:45 huginn       Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25540 normal, P5 - low, ---, chris, NEW , Biblio.t is failing randomly
14:45 Joubu        bug 25540
14:45 huginn       Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25538 normal, P5 - low, ---, chris, NEW , www/search_utf8.t is failing randomly
14:45 Joubu        bug 25538 (this is a new one)
14:45 huginn       Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25514 normal, P5 - low, ---, chris, NEW , REST/Plugin/Objects.t is failing randomly
14:45 Joubu        bug 25514
14:44 huginn       Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25513 normal, P5 - low, ---, chris, NEW , acquisitions_orders.t is failing randomly
14:44 Joubu        bug 25513
14:44 huginn       Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24229 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, NEW , /items API tests fail on Ubuntu 18.04
14:44 Joubu        bug 24229
14:44 Joubu        and I am stuck with them, cannot fix. It would be great to get help
14:43 Joubu        there are several that should be fixed for 20.05 imo
14:43 Joubu        We "always" had them, so I grouped them under an umbrella bug report
14:43 huginn       Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25551 normal, P5 - low, ---, chris, NEW , [OMNIBUS] Some tests are failing randomly
14:43 Joubu        #topic Some tests are failing randomly (Bug 25551)
14:42 Joubu        #action mtj provide a "alpha" version of the Koha 20.05 package
14:42 huginn       Joubu: The operation succeeded.
14:42 Joubu        @later tell mtj could you provide us a "alpha" version of the Koha 20.05 package?
14:42 wahanui      i already had it that way, huginn.
14:42 huginn       Joubu: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
14:42 Joubu        @later tel mtj could you provide us a "alpha" version of the Koha 20.05 package?
14:42 cait         and maybe someoen with a working pacakgein stallaton coudl help verify my new bug on a newer version
14:42 ashimema     I was indeed going to ask for a test run of the package build asap
14:42 cait         yes and alpha would be good
14:42 ashimema     good idea Joubu
14:41 Joubu        should we ask mtj[m]?
14:41 cait         the Koha.mo (js translations etc.) don't work with packages, tested with 18.11 but i think files are the same. it loosk for it in the wrong path
14:41 Joubu        but it would be great to have a "alpha" version available somewhere, to test it
14:41 Joubu        it *should* work now
14:41 cait         we just found something new
14:40 Joubu        I added it to let people know that we fixed a bunch of criticals/blockers
14:40 wahanui      hey, tcohen
14:40 tcohen       hola
14:40 Joubu        tcohen: maybe?
14:40 Joubu        #info Package bugs for 20.05
14:40 kidclamp     gotta run off
14:40 talljoy      :)
14:40 ashimema     ++
14:40 kidclamp     :-D
14:40 Joubu        and we are done
14:39 Joubu        #action kidclamp QA 25449
14:39 Joubu        #action cait signoff on 25449
14:39 Joubu        #action Joubu add a fix for 25449
14:39 Joubu        ok, let's start with that. It's an easy fix.
14:39 kidclamp     25449 is good start, and come up with a global fix if the data sneaks by
14:39 cait         we#d just remove the unlikely choice
14:38 * kohaputti  is afraid things are gonna break (although they probably were already)
14:38 cait         we need the itemtype on both levels
14:38 cait         well help...but not for that problem
14:38 cait         i think it won't help but is a separate issue
14:38 Joubu        so we continue on bug 25449?
14:38 Joubu        [Koha-devel] Get rid of item-level_itype?
14:37 wizzyrea     yeah I'm ok with whatever you all decide there, I"ll be happy to not write emails about ISEs due to item types
14:37 Joubu        to add to the discussion: https://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2015-December/042114.html
14:37 kidclamp     +1
14:36 Joubu        wizzyrea, kidclamp?
14:36 ashimema     make it mandatory
14:36 ashimema     ++
14:36 cait         and also take measures to make it more mandatory (avoid mistakes in the first place)
14:36 Joubu        make it mandatory if the pref is set to "item level"
14:35 huginn       Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25449 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Make itemtype mandatory by default
14:35 Joubu        your suggestion on bug 25449 makes sense to me
14:35 cait         i woudl be ok with: item level itype > record level itype > global default set in onboarding ?
14:35 cait         i think that's agreeable :)
14:35 kidclamp     and I conceded that a global fix is better than fixing in every script
14:34 ashimema     now I'm lost too
14:34 Joubu        but I am willing to work on a global fix if we agree on how it should work
14:33 ashimema     the 'effective_itemtype' routine looks at the pref and if the item level itype exists.. if it doesn it falls back and only warns if the pref is set too
14:33 Joubu        fixing it everywhere a call to ->effective_itemtype is done seems wrong to me.
14:33 Joubu        we fallback and warn, then we have the script to catch them.
14:33 ashimema     my brain is bad today
14:33 ashimema     yes we do fallback
14:32 ashimema     oh.. I mis-read
14:32 cait         sorry, I thnk i am ont following now
14:32 Joubu        why?
14:32 ashimema     the error being warned is non-sense
14:32 ashimema     no we dont
14:32 kidclamp     if we say the data shouldn't be bad, we should not allow it :-) but thta won't be easy either
14:32 ashimema     hang on
14:31 cait         there is multiple ways
14:31 cait         is not mandatory
14:31 ashimema     we already fall back to biblio itemtype btw
14:31 cait         and default framework
14:31 cait         acq items
14:31 cait         no
14:31 ashimema     if that's how bad data is getting in.
14:31 ashimema     as kidclamp said.. we should probably be dealing with the case at import time to prevent bad data in the first place..
14:30 ashimema     I feel you there Joubu.. feels like there might be something more behind this
14:30 * ashimema   is confused as to why the customised effective_itemtype routine is inside dbic schema as aposed to in koha::object level
14:30 cait         Joubu: you could also not have an itemtype on record level... os not sure it woule help to kill it
14:29 ashimema     if so.. then fixing it inside that routine sounds optimal
14:29 Joubu        I am searching for the "remove item-level_itypes pref" bug report, but cannot find it. I was sure we had one. Isn't this problem hidding something more general we should deal with?
14:29 cait         probably not...b ut we probably shoudl?
14:29 ashimema     are we confident we're calling effective_itemtype everywhere correctly..
14:28 wizzyrea     same
14:28 cait         because ithink they shoudl fix these
14:28 cait         changing the actual item data
14:28 cait         yep, i was just against "assigning" a default in the item
14:28 wizzyrea     if you give nothing to effective, then use the default
14:27 wizzyrea     well that's what I was thinking?
14:27 cait         hm maybe could be in effective_itemtype - then maybe not
14:27 cait         I'd be ok with a fallback 'in code' too, i just wonder if that would actually be less work than trying to catch them all
14:27 wizzyrea     on further thought I think I'm in cait's camp
14:26 huginn       Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25449 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Make itemtype mandatory by default
14:26 Joubu        bug 25449
14:26 ashimema     but I can see cait points of wanting to be able to see the bad data so you can go fix it properly rather than it getting nuked and becoming a default
14:25 ashimema     the issue with doing the former it you would have to catch bad data in all sorts of places like the bug above
14:24 ashimema     or whether you just nuke any bad data that's inbound and replace it with 'good defalt'
14:24 ashimema     depends mainly on if you want to be able to see the original bad data the user input anywhere
14:24 Joubu        the "default" I mean
14:23 wizzyrea     I don't think I have an opinion on which of those two implementations would be better
14:23 Joubu        The itype should be retrieved from biblio's itemtype
14:23 ashimema     as aposed to 'default to setting X if passed null or bad data'
14:23 wizzyrea     user picks what it is, but there's a fallback
14:22 wizzyrea     yes
14:22 ashimema     ah.. so you're saying 'if null or bad itemtype, default to something'
14:22 wizzyrea     :D
14:22 wizzyrea     i write a lot of email about this issue, can you tell?
14:21 wizzyrea     cos it'll have a fallback
14:21 cait         sorry, i think we discussed this before
14:21 cait         ah
14:21 wizzyrea     they could still be null, just that Koha won't care about it anymore
14:21 cait         the worry i had was about catching the ones you want to change
14:20 ashimema     agreed
14:20 wizzyrea     i've always thought there should be a default item type that the user can set at install time, that Koha will use if there isn't one
14:19 kidclamp     then I suppose on that bug we must address the fact the you can create items with no itemtype during acq
14:19 Joubu        either on import, on doing something wrong in the admin area
14:19 Joubu        I provided a script people must run before anything else. Those kind of inconsistencies only appear if you mess with your data
14:18 Joubu        yes, but catching them all is impossible
14:18 kidclamp     I would prioritize that over minimal code
14:18 kidclamp     we want to avoid ISE
14:18 kidclamp     I think maybe the API work on catching general exceptions would help?
14:18 Joubu        The idea is to assume that there is no "data inconsistency" in the DB
14:18 cait         and document it to be able to refer to it
14:17 cait         ah yes, i noticed it was kind of stuck so we shoudl make a general decision
14:17 Joubu        on bug 24331 marcel would like a coding guideline about something that we (more or less) agreed on it already
14:17 Joubu        cait added it I think
14:16 huginn       Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24331 normal, P5 - low, ---, nick, Failed QA , Internal server error when placing hold on item if itemtype undefined
14:16 Joubu        #topic Catching errors caused by missing itemtype, homebranch, holdingbranch (see discussion on Bug 24331)
14:16 Joubu        We have 3 subtopics
14:16 Joubu        #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...)
14:16 Joubu        ok, let me know if you need help
14:16 talljoy      i will take a look today
14:15 Joubu        I did not test them but they look correct to me
14:15 Joubu        yes, there are rebased patch from dcook
14:15 talljoy      i understand that is needed in 19.11.x branch, but won't apply currently
14:15 ashimema     agreed.. QA team is big next cycle.. but we need them all to contribute else we'll easily fall behind
14:15 huginn       Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25510 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to master , Typo in koha-common.postinst causing shell errors
14:15 talljoy      i am waiting on feedback for bug 25510
14:14 talljoy      good morning
14:14 Joubu        talljoy: and hi :)
14:14 Joubu        talljoy: something to tell us for 19.11?
14:14 cait         but we will be missing Joubu, so there is a lot t balance out
14:14 cait         yeah :) if they all manage a bit of time we should get very far
14:13 Joubu        biggest QA team ever I think :)
14:13 talljoy      #info Joy Nelson Bywater
14:13 cait         fantastic work everyone and looking forward to start the next cycle with old and new QA team members
14:13 cait         turns out you can have tons of meetings while working from home too :)
14:13 cait         I am late this week with my QA email, it's been hard to keep on top of things
14:12 Joubu        something to add cait?
14:12 cait         thx Joubu
14:12 Joubu        #info QA queue is still high, but mostly enh (110 reports, 17 bugs)
14:11 Joubu        #topic Updates from the QA team
14:11 Joubu        yes, it's fixed now, and will be in the next that is released in a few days
14:11 Joubu        but nobody complained
14:11 cait         is that lukeg?
14:11 Joubu        so the upgrade process might be broken
14:10 Joubu        I *think* 19.05.x is broken since March, because of a typo in updatedatabase.pl
14:10 Joubu        I don't thing rmaints poped up for the meeting
14:10 Joubu        #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers
14:09 ashimema     well done everyone
14:09 ashimema     thinks that's it from mee
14:09 Joubu        #info community++
14:09 ashimema     #info Thanks must go out to all those devs who have been working day and night the last couple of weeks to polish and fix bugs.. they know who they are.. fantastic effort to get us over the line guys!
14:09 cait         team++
14:09 Joubu        will talk about that
14:09 cait         ashimema++
14:09 Joubu        I have added 2 bullet points for the "general discussion" topic
14:08 ashimema     #info 20.05 is nearly ready.. I'm still aiming for a release on the 22nd but withhold the right to postpone if Jenkins isn't looking happy or I don't get the OK from the packaging team.
14:08 Joubu        something else to add?
14:08 Joubu        ashimema: ?
14:07 Joubu        lol
14:07 cait         oh yes :)
14:07 wizzyrea     with sequins
14:07 wizzyrea     ^ would be adorable
14:07 * cait       wants a pink superlibrarian cape.
14:07 Joubu        #topic Update from the Release Manager (20.05)
14:06 ashimema     :)
14:06 * oleonard_  hopes Joubu assigns us new uniforms
14:06 ashimema     #info Joubu will announce plans for the next cycle at the next development meeting.. first of the next cycle :)
14:06 Joubu        no plan yet, push all the things
14:06 ashimema     indeed.. do you have any plans you'd like to announce here as you're about to take over :)
14:06 cait         ok
14:06 Joubu        Will talk about that with the team in a couple of weeks
14:06 cait         i htink a place for bigger projects like this would be nice
14:05 cait         Joubu: i think you mentioned using taiga or another board again
14:05 oleonard_    I think I can work with that deadline
14:05 ashimema     oleonard++
14:05 Joubu        I took some liberty in the info
14:05 Joubu        #info Owen is working a Bootstrap 4 update for the OPAC, see bug 20168. It will be ready for 20.11
14:04 huginn       Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20168 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Update of the OPAC bootstrap template to bootstrap v4
14:04 oleonard_    Bug 20168
14:04 cait         oh sorry meeting
14:04 Joubu        great, did you open a bug report already?
14:04 ashimema     Nearly release time
14:04 cait         jajm: wrong path on pacakge based installations
14:04 wizzyrea     ooh exciting
14:04 * oleonard_  is working on a Bootstrap 4 update for the OPAC
14:03 Joubu        apart from bots I mean
14:03 wahanui      i guess Anyone is free to give it a shot :-)
14:03 Joubu        Anyone?
14:03 Joubu        #topic Announcements
14:03 thd          #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
14:02 kidclamp     #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions
14:02 Joubu        waiting few more minutes
14:01 nsk          thanks a lot
14:01 wizzyrea     #info liz rea
14:01 wahanui      hmmm... rmaints is talljoy, lukeG, hayley
14:01 Joubu        rmaints?
14:01 Joubu        rmaint?
14:01 cait         #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Geramny
14:00 wahanui      qa_team is cait Joubu marcelr kohaputti josef_moravec tcohen kidclamp khall
14:00 Joubu        qa_team.
14:00 ashimema     where does the time go!
14:00 oleonard_    #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, Ohio, USA
14:00 ashimema     #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS-Europe
14:00 Joubu        #info Jonathan Druart
14:00 huginn       Current chairs: Joubu ashimema cait
14:00 Joubu        #chair ashimema
14:00 huginn       Current chairs: Joubu cait
14:00 Joubu        #chair cait
14:00 Joubu        #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_20_May_2020
14:00 Joubu        #topic Introductions
14:00 huginn       The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_20_may_2020'
14:00 huginn       Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
14:00 huginn       Meeting started Wed May 20 14:00:02 2020 UTC.  The chair is Joubu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
14:00 Joubu        #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 20 May 2020
13:56 Joubu        ha!
13:56 Joubu        https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_advanced_themeing_guide
13:56 oleonard_    https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_advanced_themeing_guide
13:55 nsk          it talks about a advanced themeing guide as well...but i am unable to find that link
13:54 Joubu        nsk: this page from the manual may be useful as well: https://koha-community.org/manual/17.11/en/html/15_implementation_checklist.html#editable-opac-regions
13:53 Joubu        :)
13:53 nsk          didnt expect it to be so full
13:53 nsk          and i am happy to see that the community is strong and thriving
13:52 nsk          Ok thanks Joubu...i will have a look
13:52 Joubu        https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_simple_themeing_guide
13:52 Joubu        https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/HTML_%26_CSS_Library
13:52 Joubu        yes nsk, have a look at those 2 wiki pages:
13:51 * dcook      is going to say goodnight to everyone and will keep trying another night ^_^
13:51 nsk          is it possible to change the logos and colors?
13:50 nsk          i am trying to setup my own copy of koha on my server and i need some help
13:50 nsk          hi
13:49 dcook        Of course I'm trying to send XML and receive JSON >_>
13:47 dcook        Probably client side..
13:47 dcook        my $body = $c->validation->param('body'); isn't doing the trick so I must be doing something wrong..
13:47 Joubu        first typo, second cache :)
13:47 dcook        Now to figure out how to get the body...
13:47 dcook        haha
13:47 tcohen       hahaha
13:47 tcohen       dcook: it is all about typos
13:46 tcohen       can someone QA 25411 :-D
13:46 dcook        Oh man... nearly awake long enough for a meeting, but midnight might be a bit too late for me
13:46 Joubu        meeting in 15!
13:42 dcook        That'll do it heh
13:42 dcook        Typo in the package name
13:42 dcook        Oh wait that was it
13:41 dcook        Damn that's not it..
13:41 dcook        A typo
13:41 dcook        I think I see it
13:41 dcook        Oh bugger
13:40 dcook        I just changed it to "Libraries#list" and now I'm getting a data validation error which is good. Must be resolving the controller
13:37 dcook        Following the pattern used by you and khall in your plugins
13:37 dcook        And the class is Koha::Plugin::DCook::OaipmhImport::RecordController
13:37 dcook        Although x-mojo-to is DCook::OaipmhImport::RecordController#import_biblio
13:37 dcook        Yep
13:36 tcohen       is your class name Koha::Plugin::
13:36 dcook        (I'll note down that bug although I'm using Basic auth atm)
13:36 dcook        I was wondering if that might be the case
13:36 tcohen       that error is usually related to class name resoñlution
13:36 huginn       Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25411 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Plugin routes cannot have anonymous access
13:36 tcohen       dcook we really need bug 25411 I think
13:34 dcook        tcohen: Any clues about that one?
13:31 dcook        According to https://metacpan.org/pod/Mojolicious::Plugin::OpenAPI, 501 | Not Implemented       | Route exists, but the action is not implemented
13:29 dcook        {"errors":[{"message":"Not implemented.","path":"\/"}],"status":501}
13:26 dcook        Now 501..
13:24 dcook        Ah right authorization..
13:23 dcook        Although same error I'd get for any misspelled route..
13:23 dcook        Managing to generate a 500 error now though heh
13:23 dcook        Well it's listed at least..
13:22 dcook        Thanks khall too :D
13:21 dcook        Thanks tcohen
13:21 dcook        Woohoo got there
13:17 dcook        Makes sense that you wouldn't provide a type for a request body. Silly me
13:16 dcook        Maybe I'll save it for when I get this plugin working heh
13:15 dcook        11:15pm on a wednesday just doesn't seem right
13:15 * dcook      just realizes he never got his beer
13:15 oleonard     o/
13:15 * dcook      waves to oleonard
13:15 dcook        tion, type, required, in. at /usr/share/perl5/JSON/Validator/OpenAPI.pm line 28.
13:15 dcook        /paths/~1contrib~1oaipmhimport~1biblios/post/parameters/0: oneOf failed: oneOf failed: Properties not allowed: type. oneOf failed: Not in enum list: header. Not in enum list: formData. Not in enum list: query. Not in enum list: path. Properties not allowed: name, descrip
13:15 dcook        Arg
13:15 dcook        tion, type, required, in. at /usr/share/perl5/JSON/Validator/OpenAPI.pm line 28.
13:15 dcook        Ok doing better debugging now..
13:13 Joubu        edit the file first, then koha-translate --update pl-PL
13:13 Null404      or I only need koha-translate --update  ?
13:12 Null404      so I need to update KOHA 18.11 and then koha-translate --update ?
13:11 Joubu        then koha-translate --update pl-PL will update the template for pl-PL
13:11 Null404      thanks Joubu
13:10 Joubu        Null404: the translation you fixed on the website will be in the next stable releases (it was the long-term solution). Now if you want to apply them locally, edit the po file, translate the strings properly (make sure the number of %s match), remove the "fuzzy" line
13:09 dcook        I'll add some debugging code
13:07 dcook        Oh but that's a point... merged..
13:07 dcook        I think spec_ok() is failing
13:06 dcook        I actually see that twice
13:06 dcook        That's it :(
13:06 tcohen       nothing more?
13:06 dcook        This is what I see in Koha: "The resulting spec is invalid. Skipping OAI-PMH Import Plugin at /kohadevbox/koha/Koha/REST/Plugin/PluginRoutes.pm line 90."
13:06 tcohen       into the main API spec
13:06 Null404      I'm fixed some critical errors in https://translate.koha-community.org/pl/18.11/ and now how to update translation files ? I'm tried sudo koha-translate --update pl-PL and nothing happens
13:06 dcook        Ah so it's a misleading error?
13:06 tcohen       In Koha, it gets merged
13:06 tcohen       it is just a path definition
13:05 tcohen       which is not valid OpenAPI
13:05 tcohen       ah, and you're validating your openapi.json file
13:05 dcook        Yeah that output was just from a little script I wrote that invokes JSON::Validator::OpenAPI::Mojolicious
13:04 tcohen       dcook at this stage it is failing because of the spec, it is not trying to resolve the controller
13:02 Null404      okay I'm back
13:02 dcook        Hmm maybe not
13:01 tcohen       hm
13:01 dcook        I'm guessing I haven't defined my "added", "updated", "deleted" properties properly?
13:00 dcook        https://pastebin.com/nhLTqJfF
13:00 dcook        :S
13:00 dcook        /: Properties not allowed: /biblios. at /usr/share/perl5/JSON/Validator/OpenAPI.pm line 28.
12:59 dcook        Invalid schema:
12:59 huginn       Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15985 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , Include checkout library in fines
12:59 khall_       cait fixed up bug 15985 if you want to have another look!
12:55 dcook        Wrote my own little validator heh
12:49 dcook        The JSON looks valid so I must've done something wrong with the OpenAPI spec itself..
12:49 dcook        Well, since I'm writing this from scratch, I believe it's an issue with what I wrote heh
12:47 Null404      restart apache2 and memcached sometimes fix problems
12:45 dcook        Had a missing dependency and now my spec is invalid
12:44 dcook        heh best
12:44 tcohen       restart_all
12:44 tcohen       hahaha
12:43 dcook        Ah yeah after clearing cache and restart plack now I see errors
12:43 tcohen       did you restrt plack?
12:41 dcook        ping tcohen and khall_
12:41 dcook        Are the injected routes supposed to show up at http://localhost:8081/api/v1/.html ?
12:37 dcook        Hmm but not injecting the API route and no errors..
12:36 dcook        Woo uploaded..
12:31 dcook        Annnd nothing heh
12:28 dcook        Less than 1 hour and 20 minutes. Not bad...
12:28 dcook        Ok... might have the skeleton of this plugin... time to give it its first try..
12:13 khall        hi magnuse!
12:07 dcook        Thanks for that!
12:07 dcook        Oh beautiful
12:07 dcook        Oh right lol
12:05 tcohen       https://gitlab.com/thekesolutions/plugins/koha-plugin-innreach/-/blob/master/Koha/Plugin/Com/Theke/INNReach.pm#L137
12:05 tcohen       on plugins you let the plugin system prefix the table
12:05 tcohen       haha
12:05 tcohen       it is on my TODO
12:04 tcohen       there's no POST yet
12:01 dcook        Not seeing a POST for /biblios..
12:00 dcook        And that API is the most likely part of my work to contribute to the mainstream..
11:59 dcook        Although I guess if it were mainstreamed that wouldn't be very good
11:59 dcook        Just so a DB admin would know it's a plugin controlled table
11:59 dcook        I was thinking maybe "plugin_oaipmh_records"
11:59 dcook        Is there a naming convention for adding tables via a plugin?
11:59 dcook        Especially with their current abilities
11:58 dcook        I've been wondering if these ideas are fit for plugins, but it really seems like it
11:58 dcook        ... so to speak
11:58 dcook        So your words are music to my ears
11:58 dcook        that's what I'm writing right now :D
11:58 tcohen       you should make it a plugin and have the tables you need
11:58 tcohen       right
11:57 dcook        So I can try to keep as much state out of the harvester as possible
11:57 dcook        In this case, I want Koha to keep track of the OAI-PMH identifiers
11:56 dcook        I was wondering if there was a POST /biblios
11:56 tcohen       accepting several content-types
11:56 tcohen       there's POST /biblios
11:56 tcohen       On my TODO list
11:56 dcook        With embedded scheduler
11:56 dcook        Then another plugin to connect using an HTTP API to my Golang powered OAI-PMH harvester
11:55 tcohen       awesome, that was the whole point
11:55 dcook        At the moment, I'm planning 1 plugin to inject an API route to accept OAI-PMH XML
11:55 dcook        Just doing my openapi.json right now
11:55 dcook        I'm actually using some of your plugins for inspiration heh
11:55 dcook        tcohen: I had a feeling that might be the case
11:55 huginn       Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10662 new feature, P3, ---, dcook, Failed QA , Build OAI-PMH Harvesting Client
11:55 dcook        Going to leave Bug 10662 as it is, but create 2 plugins and a separate OAI-PMH harvester
11:55 tcohen       the coverflow plugin got migrated into a route
11:54 dcook        Personal projects this time
11:54 dcook        Hehe
11:54 tcohen       :-D
11:54 tcohen       back into coding dcook?
11:53 tcohen       morning
11:42 dcook        Actually quite excited by this one
11:41 dcook        err API route
11:41 dcook        Thanks magnuse. That actually does help, as I'm looking to inject a plugin route
11:39 magnuse      this page is incomplete: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Plugin_Hooks
11:39 magnuse      yup
11:38 dcook        Although it is good reading through the Kitchen Sink so I get an idea for all the capabilities..
11:37 dcook        Actually, maybe it would be good to have the Kitchen Sink for everything you can do, and a plugin for the least that you can do heh
11:35 dcook        It's all good. This is a good way to learn.
11:33 magnuse      i tried to create a "plugin starter" based on it, but i have not kept it updated
11:31 dcook        There's so much in this kitchen sink heh
11:29 dcook        heya magnuse :D
11:29 magnuse      ...and dcook
11:29 Null404      I entered sudo koha-translate --update pl-PL and system was thinking few seconds, and don't show any communicat
11:29 * magnuse    waves to khall
11:26 cait         does the comman di gave you give some ouput and can you share that with paste.koha-community.org?
11:25 cait         the fuzzy is set when a problem is detected
11:25 Null404      *course
11:25 cait         you need to fix the translations
11:25 Null404      and of couse restarted services
11:25 cait         yes, because the fuzzy was there for a reason
11:25 Null404      I deleted "fuzzy", fixed errors during koha-translate and I didn't solve a problem cait
11:21 dcook        I like the Java naming style for that reason
11:21 dcook        Cool! Thanks for that, khall :)
11:20 khall        dcook that should be good! We started with the java style naming just to make sure nobody accidentally named two different plugins the same thing
11:19 dcook        Sooo the hardest
11:19 dcook        I think for now I'll do "Koha::Plugin::Dcook" and Tomas or Kyle can give me more guidance later
11:19 cait         naming things is the hardest
11:19 dcook        Good to talk to someone about it :)
11:18 cait         it was just a thought- i haven't done one myself and would probably fail on this psot too
11:18 dcook        That's my most universal handle
11:18 dcook        Maybe dcook would be best
11:18 cait         or dcook :)
11:18 dcook        That's just my github user though
11:18 dcook        Like "Koha::Plugin::Minusdavid"?
11:18 dcook        Koha::Plugin::Com::Theke or Koha::Plugin::Com::BywaterSolutions
11:18 cait         you could use minusdavid in the last bit
11:17 dcook        I think they'll all be using their vendor names though
11:17 cait         https://github.com/bywatersolutions/koha-plugin-force-delete-record
11:17 cait         maybe look at theke and bywater for examples
11:17 dcook        Of course, since I work for a vendor, I could just use the company name, but I don't necessarily want to associate it with the company, since it's my personal work
11:16 cait         not sure about the naming, i was just wondering if you'd move
11:16 dcook        I don't have a personal website heh
11:16 dcook        That's probably where it'll be hosted?
11:16 cait         hm why github?
11:16 dcook        I have thought maybe "Com/Github/Minusdavid"
11:15 dcook        I wonder what naming convention to use if I'm doing this as an individual...
11:15 dcook        Ahh cool
11:13 cait         it's the kitchen sink plugin
11:13 dcook        Maybe I'll just look at the kitchen sink plugin..
11:12 dcook        Hmm https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_plugins says there was a "Koha plugin development reference" but apparently it doesn't exist now?
11:11 dcook        Hope everyone is having a good day so far
11:11 dcook        On that note, time for me to read the wiki heh
11:10 dcook        I've been second guessing myself a lot on this one
11:10 dcook        I'm glad to hear that
11:10 dcook        :D
11:09 cait         I think moving ot a plugin soudns like a good idea in general
11:09 dcook        Plus thanks to advances in Koha over the past few years, it's easier to do as a plugin than ever
11:09 dcook        Rather than putting all this effort to get it into Koha and then a lot of people deciding it doesn't actually work for their use case
11:08 huginn       Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10662 new feature, P3, ---, dcook, Failed QA , Build OAI-PMH Harvesting Client
11:08 dcook        Part of me still wonders if I should just try to refactor Bug 10662 and add total unit test coverage... but I just keep thinking that it might be better to do as a plugin so that people can use it and give feedback so that more iterative development could be done
11:07 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #796: STILL UNSTABLE in 37 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/796/
11:07 dcook        Good plan :)
11:05 cait         keep it for last as a reward?
11:05 huginn       dcook: The operation succeeded.
11:05 dcook        @later tell tcohen This is the line where the actual package build happens: https://gitlab.com/minusdavid/koha-deb-builder-docker/-/blob/master/scripts/build.sh#L39
11:04 dcook        But first work and then play..
11:04 dcook        They're from what is arguably Australia's most popular craft brewery at the moment so... pretty tempting heh
11:01 ashimema     :)
11:00 * dcook      debates whether to grab a beer from the fridge first...
11:00 dcook        Going to try my hand at writing a Koha plugin this fine evening
11:00 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9_My8 build #329: UNSTABLE in 55 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_My8/329/
11:00 dcook        hola #koha
10:42 Null404      okay
10:40 cait         can help you find the problems
10:40 cait         junitmsgfmt misc/translator/po/pl*
10:40 cait         sudo apt-get install translate-toolkit
10:39 cait         leaving some files behind
10:39 cait         errors like this can reak the tanslation process
10:39 cait         yes, you need to fix this
10:38 Null404      okay, so it need to be fixed before update
10:38 Null404      "tmpl_process3.pl: Warning: unconsistent %s count: (25/22):"
10:37 cait         also need your instance name i thnk
10:37 cait         yes please try that
10:37 Null404      I cait you mean sudo koha-translate --update pl-PL ?
10:35 cait         install/update the laqnauge again to update the files created from the po file
10:34 cait         you need to retranslate
10:33 Null404      I deleted "fuzzy" and nothing new happens
10:24 cait         i am not much help with packaging, but keeping fingers crossed
10:24 cait         cool :)
10:24 ashimema     We're close
10:23 ashimema     and to check in on the packaging gang on how we're set for D10
10:23 ashimema     just waiting to see what Jenkins thinks of the current state
10:23 cait         are we on track for 20.05? there was such a flurry of emails i did not quite manage to keep up
10:23 cait         gr.
10:23 cait         joy
10:22 cait         jow has been pushing
10:21 ashimema     I don't beleve the rmaints have built their release yet.. 22nd I think it the target
10:21 ashimema     if you fix them now in community then the release this week will include them ;)
10:20 cait         but yes, deleting fuzzy is one step
10:20 cait         you also need to fix the error
10:20 cait         Null404: can you paste what you see?
10:19 Null404      because some librarians don't know english language very well
10:19 Null404      I know that, I translated some phrases, but I want to fix these words as fast as possible
10:18 Joubu        Null404: the only long-term solution is to contribute to the official pl-PL translation
10:17 Null404      delete "fuzzy" phrase  in this file ?
10:13 Null404      cait: so how to unlock ?
10:10 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #877: SUCCESS in 29 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/877/
10:09 cait         and that's good because the error would break things
10:09 cait         fuzzy entries won't get translated
10:09 cait         looksl ike
10:08 Null404      oh, so its a bug in official files ?
10:05 Joubu        Null404: it's marked as fuzzy, and the number of '%s' does not match. That's why it's not picked
10:05 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest build #300: SUCCESS in 53 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest/300/
10:05 cait         and check the full version number listed there
10:05 cait         go on about koha
10:05 Null404      how to find that cait ?
10:04 cait         Null404: the files on pootle are always for the latest bugfix verson - which is your current version exactly?
10:04 davidnind    Ah well, maybe send a message to the translation mailing list https://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-translate
10:02 Null404      and nothing
10:02 Null404      I updated few times
10:02 davidnind    Null404: I think you can download the latest po files, replace and reinstall (may get replaced in the next package update...)
10:01 davidnind    Null404: I don't know anything about translation files, but have you looked at https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Installation_of_additional_languages_for_OPAC_and_INTRANET_staff_client
09:55 huginn       ashimema: The operation succeeded.
09:55 ashimema     @later tell aliesha that was meant to be bug 14647.. someone distracted me mid typing :(
09:53 huginn       ashimema: The operation succeeded.
09:53 ashimema     @later tell aleisha it looks like you might have mentored on bug 24301... would you like me to add a git trailer for that so you're recognised in the release notes for that? :)
09:53 davidnind    :)
09:52 ashimema     that's easy
09:52 ashimema     oh.. cool
09:52 davidnind    ashimema: aleisha
09:51 ashimema     anyone knwo what aliesha's nick is?
09:51 Null404      finally I found  these words that I looking for few days and it seems that are translated, but in system is still in English, so what should I do to fix it ? https://i.imgur.com/BuswRfw.png
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09:12 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1342: SUCCESS in 53 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/1342/
09:04 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D10 build #243: SUCCESS in 34 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10/243/
09:03 huginn       Joubu: The operation succeeded.
09:03 Joubu        @later tell kidclamp can you have a look at 24301 please?
09:02 Null404      I'm still triying to get translated version of system, on https://translate.koha-community.org/ I searched word "available" (that is not translated in my system) and every of 126 phrases that have "available" are translated on that site, so I'm think a problem is that my version of system doesn't apply that files from translate.koha-community
08:56 Null404      wow, that was fast wahanui
08:56 wahanui      niihau, Null404
08:56 Null404      hello
08:54 cait         i am sorry
08:54 cait         with one eye in a meeting atm
08:53 cait         i think so
08:42 jajm         cait, so the fix was to change the default locale, nothing else ?
08:38 cait         jajm: Bug 18186
08:33 jajm         cait, the bug with plack, how was it fixed ?
08:29 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9_My8 build #328: FIXED in 37 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_My8/328/
08:29 wahanui      Congratulations!
08:29 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
08:28 cait         any other chance to debug?
08:28 cait         not sure if that is good or not
08:27 jajm         cait, ok, you have en_US.utf8 installed, so the problem is not there
08:26 cait         POSIX
08:26 cait         en_US.utf8
08:26 cait         C.UTF-8
08:26 cait         jajm: we got: C
08:21 cait         I don't have command line access to the servers
08:21 cait         I've askeda bout locale -a
08:20 cait         jajm: something that doesn't break fines (the bug wth Plack) and has the tarnslations working :)
08:19 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 25485: TinyMCE broken in Debian package installs <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=067f1b8b556015bbd0f35f36aac700d79467786b>
08:19 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 25485: Remove all mention of tiny_mce in debian/rules <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f342b0b617237f05287518b6bbf749c7db533a5c>
08:19 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 25485: Remove tiny_mce symlink during pre install of deb package <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d517453d95b3a16f9cdc61910a53433310ca2c7f>
08:19 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 25524: Remove --line-regexp option in log4perl_component() <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c6ed5b5da125347ef95ae439eaf21858410f7edf>
08:19 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 25284: chown /var/log/koha log files on koha-create <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5f9cc8ada9a3186265f7c4fff1529775f03ac969>
08:19 cait         my coworker is trying to find a combination that works
08:13 jajm         cait, did you try to run `locale -a` ?
08:11 jajm         cait, what do you mean by "a working configuration" ?
08:10 cait         jajm: we are still ab it stuck on the right configuration for locales - do you happen to have a working one maybe?
08:09 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #794: FIXED in 53 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/794/
08:09 wahanui      Congratulations!
08:09 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
07:52 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest build #299: FIXED in 36 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest/299/
07:52 wahanui      Congratulations!
07:52 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
07:52 ashimema     Mornin'
07:28 magnuse      \O/
07:13 cait         good morning #koha
07:06 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1341: FIXED in 36 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/1341/
07:06 wahanui      Congratulations!
07:06 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
06:53 alex_a       Bonjour
06:53 reiveune     hello
01:15 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_D8 build #149: SUCCESS in 27 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_D8/149/
01:04 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_D9 build #149: FIXED in 48 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_D9/149/
01:04 wahanui      Congratulations!
01:04 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
00:48 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U18 build #148: STILL UNSTABLE in 34 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U18/148/
00:15 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_D8 build #148: SUCCESS in 35 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_D8/148/
00:13 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_D9 build #148: UNSTABLE in 33 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_D9/148/
00:04 huginn       talljoy: The operation succeeded.
00:04 talljoy      @later tell joubu you mentioned needing 25510.  in order to get that i need 15253, 25172, 25032, 25068 and 24735.  And 24735 doesn't apply to 19.11.x.  Any suggestions for me?