Time  Nick          Message
00:06 oleonard      Aw dang I missed the Open Refine talk
00:07 rangi         im assuming they will get cut up into individual videos for easy replay eh?
00:09 bag           not sure - I know now that each session is recorded
00:09 rangi         cool
00:09 bag           @later tell jzairo - are we going to break each session up into individual videos?
00:09 huginn        bag: The operation succeeded.
00:09 rangi         we could just timestamp them too
00:10 rangi         thta'd be fine
00:10 rangi         (i mean just have a link to the time they start on the programme)
00:12 tuxayo        rangi
00:12 tuxayo        > we could just timestamp them too
00:12 tuxayo        my plan was to watch everything and note the timestamp URLs and then send to the Koha list
00:12 tuxayo        watch everything: or jump to the next talk if I really don't understand ^^"
00:12 tuxayo        thanks bag for asking
00:13 rangi         :)
00:16 rangi         Margaret is cool
00:18 rangi         her slide deck is neat
00:20 rangi         that reminds i should regenerate the schemas, but not while she is using them :)
00:21 tuxayo        talk:
00:21 tuxayo        > schema is intimidating
00:21 tuxayo        Much less than before though ^^"
00:21 tuxayo        http://schema.koha-community.org/17_11/
00:21 oleonard      I'll share this now that different people are awake. I'm thinking about eliminating the checkbox column in search results: https://zivotdesign.com/p/view.php?p=15876657007590 I can't tell whether it's a dumb idea.
00:21 rangi         hm lemme look
00:22 rangi         for adding multiples to a list ? hmm i dunno if it is used much
00:24 rangi         oh you mean move it
00:24 rangi         i getcha now
00:24 rangi         yeah i like that
00:24 oleonard      Pros: More obvious label, possibly better for screen readers... Con: Not what people expect.
00:25 tuxayo        oleonard: good idea. It's now too much space for something not that much used.
00:25 tuxayo        And the text that says it's to select is a touch.
00:25 tuxayo        *nice touch
00:25 rangi         yeah
00:26 oleonard      Great, glad to hear it's not a product of quarantine delirium
00:27 rangi         :)
00:27 oleonard      I'll share it on the list and see what others think
00:27 philor        my system has a public list of Newbery Winners, obviously a bad idea, which does say that add to list gets used (accidentally)
00:28 philor        I always forget that you can use the checkboxes to place holds, so I think of them as just lists/carts, that I don't want
00:28 oleonard      We have a Newbery list too. Why is it a bad idea?
00:28 philor        a public list, so adding to it is the first thing listed for any patron who doesn't have a private list created already
00:29 rangi         new berrys are not ripe yet?
00:29 philor        currently at the newest of our newberys, the movie Just Mercy and three Aunt Dimity books
00:29 tuxayo        For people watching the kohathon: youtube livestream trick:
00:29 tuxayo        You can catch up with the livestream if you are late by some time by setting the playback speed to 1.25
00:29 tuxayo        When it's catches up, it will go back to 1.0
00:30 tuxayo        cc bag
00:30 rangi         oh thats a cool trick
00:31 tuxayo        Might no be easy for non-native speakers like me ^^
00:31 oleonard      philor: So when you say "public list" you mean it can be added to by anyone
00:36 philor        oleonard: yeah, I forget that it's a separate allow changes from field rather than public/private
00:37 philor        odds are, the person setting it that way thought "oh, I'll allow any staff member to add things, that way I won't have to remember once a year to add the new winner"
00:41 * philor      leaves in Curry County cow theft cases, 1939
00:41 philor        expand those young minds
01:14 davidnind     rangi: lisettelatah said earlier on that individual videos for Kohathon2020 would be available in a day or so
01:15 rangi         perfect, thanks davidnind
01:15 rangi         hope you're well in your bubble
01:16 davidnind     Good thanks! (In a bubble of one)
01:21 lisettelatah  davidnind: It turns out those videos might be difficult to extract from youtube, so we might do timestamps instead, but either way there should be specific links available by early next week.
01:21 rangi         cool
01:22 davidnind     great!
01:31 tuxayo        lisettelatah
01:31 tuxayo        > It turns out those videos might be difficult to extract from youtube
01:31 wahanui       well, lisettelatah is running the devbox install
01:31 tuxayo        https://ytdl-org.github.io/youtube-dl/index.html
01:32 tuxayo        Libre open source, should be to install on Linux, macOS and Windows
01:32 lisettelatah  thanks tuxayo! We'll look into that.
01:33 tuxayo        Someone did a UI: https://github.com/MrS0m30n3/youtube-dl-gui
01:34 tuxayo        It actually work with +1200 videowebsite, it's insane
01:34 tuxayo        *sites
01:36 tuxayo        I just found a command that made my day to get the time in multiple places in the world at once. (very useful here!)
01:37 tuxayo        zdump NZ America/Los_Angeles America/Argentina/Buenos_Aires CET
01:37 tuxayo        NZ                              Fri Apr 24 13:37:04 2020 NZST
01:37 tuxayo        America/Los_Angeles             Thu Apr 23 18:37:04 2020 PDT
01:37 tuxayo        America/Argentina/Buenos_Aires  Thu Apr 23 22:37:04 2020 -03
01:37 tuxayo        CET                             Fri Apr 24 03:37:04 2020 CEST
01:38 tuxayo        Installed by default on Linuxes and hopefully on macOS also
01:39 davidnind     I use https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/personal.html at the moment
01:48 tuxayo        neat! For a GUI as a standalone program there also gworldclock https://screenshots.debian.net/package/gworldclock
01:50 tuxayo        davidnind:  Speaking of timezones where are you from? I didn't found you https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars
01:50 tuxayo        Although you seem regular one ^^
01:50 tuxayo        *a
01:51 davidnind     Hi tuxayo - I'm from Wellington, New Zealand
01:52 tuxayo        hi from the other side of world o/
01:55 davidnind     Hi from nearly the bottom of the world!
01:55 tuxayo        davidnind: So, from NZ are you like from Catalyst, Katipo, HLT?
01:56 davidnind     None of the above, I work at a government agency (and we don't unfortunately use Koha :-()
01:57 tuxayo        > the bottom of the world!
01:57 tuxayo        Depends on the map ;) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South-up_map_orientation
01:59 tuxayo        > and we don't unfortunately use Koha
02:00 tuxayo        davidnind:  wait you work so much on Koha (so many signoffs!) and your dayjob isn't related to it? :o
02:00 davidnind     True!
02:00 tuxayo        davidnind++
02:00 hayley        davidnind is a good sort :)
02:00 tuxayo        For the huge personal time donation
02:01 hayley        davidnind++
02:01 * tuxayo      learns english https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/good_sort
02:02 davidnind     Not so much, only in the evenings (or mornings) - mainly when I'm procrastinating about working on the documentation.. :-[
02:02 davidnind     Not so much the dependable part...:)
02:03 tuxayo        Testing all those patches isn't that long? (please teach us your secrets!)
02:06 davidnind     I've tried to do one a day, sometimes I get carried away in the weekends!
02:07 davidnind     (Some are a bit easier than others, the larger ones or ones for areas I don't know anything about can take a bit longer...)
02:13 tuxayo        > I've tried to do one a day
02:13 tuxayo        nice!
02:19 tuxayo        Kohathon talk: It's very nice to block the submit buttons when clicked to avoid double submit!
02:22 tuxayo        @later tell oleonard do we have issues due to double submit? At Kohathon a talk showed a customization to block a submit button when clicked once.
02:22 huginn        tuxayo: The operation succeeded.
02:23 hayley        there is a bug report open for that at the moment that I saw tuxayo, possibly already pushed to master
02:23 tuxayo        yay
02:25 hayley        I found bug 24085 about returns.pl but couldn't see any other obvious ones
02:25 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24085 normal, P5 - low, ---, nick, Pushed to stable , Double submission of forms on returns.pl
02:28 tuxayo        hayley++
02:42 tuxayo        I hope at some point Koha US would support also Liberapay it for recurring donations. It's libre/open source and also supports Stripe (in addtion to Paypal) for payments.
02:42 tuxayo        https://liberapay.com/
02:50 tuxayo        Kohathon in 2021, yay :D
02:51 tuxayo        To celebrate the end of the Kohathon: here is some music from the Japanese artist Koha-pink!
02:51 tuxayo        https://invidio.us/watch?v=fOcvBSewwHc
02:51 tuxayo        https://invidio.us/watch?v=ABtfre94Xj0
02:53 rangi         heh
02:56 tuxayo        Hooray for all Kohathon contributors! If some are here.
02:57 davidnind     lisettelatah++
02:57 davidnind     (and everyone else as well!)
06:12 * philor      thinks that should make marcelr think twice before saying "with detailed steps" where he will see it
06:12 philor        28 steps just to *not* see the bug, then you have to repeat all 28 to see it :)
06:30 reiveune      hello
06:30 wahanui       niihau, reiveune
06:35 marcelr       hi #koha
06:57 alex_a        Bonjour
07:17 cait1         good morning #koha
07:17 marcelr       hi cait1
07:18 cait1         hi marcelr :)
07:51 eythian       cait1: https://twitter.com/thisisbionic/status/1253146536508178433
07:51 eythian       also, hi
07:53 cait1         eythian: I am never sure if it's safe to click on your links at work :)
07:54 cait1         also, hi back ;)
07:54 eythian       cait1: a) I don't see why not, b) why are you at work there's a pandemic going on you know.
07:55 cait1         working from home...
07:55 wahanui       i think working from home is still recommended
08:03 cait1         ups
08:04 cait1         eythian: it only shows there is some logic in my language - don't you think? :)
08:05 eythian       cait1: tell that to the beak animal. Or the spike pig.
08:08 eythian       (to be fair, porcupine also means spike pig.)
08:10 Joubu         @later tell khall Hi Kyle, about 15253 - did you see the other comments? indentation and undef@undef?
08:10 huginn        Joubu: The operation succeeded.
08:15 cait1         eythian: logical
08:36 jajm          cait1, https://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo is up
08:38 cait1         cool thx
08:38 cait1         jajm++
08:38 cait1         what's laurent's nick?
08:39 jajm          it's lds but he's not here
08:39 cait1         lds++ still :)
08:39 cait1         jajm: was looking at course reserves this morning - hope to get back later
08:39 cait1         homebranch
08:40 cait1         but there is a qa tool fail
08:46 jajm          cait1, how should i fix that ? should i only add the piece of code at the end of schema file (like in https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines#DBIC_schema_files) even if the column is not present in the schema file yet ? or should i generate the whole schema file ?
08:47 cait1         oh
08:47 cait1         maybe i forgot to run dbic?
08:47 cait1         Joubu: around ?
08:47 cait1         I am used to people adding the schema files, i might have just forgot, if nothing is missing on your side
08:48 Joubu         jajm: generate schema files commit separately, then add a separate commit for the is_boolean change
08:48 jajm          cait1, no, there's a piece of code to add manually, i'm just asking if i should attach only that to the bug report, or also the generated parts
08:48 jajm          Joubu, ok thanks
08:49 Joubu         jajm: is_boolean can be part of a "DB changes" commit (kohastructure, atomic update, etc.)
08:49 Joubu         if you want to avoid a one line commit ;)
08:50 jajm          i don't mind one line commits ;)
08:50 cait1         Joubu: so something is still missing?
08:51 Joubu         missing from?
08:56 cait1         bug 22630
08:56 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22630 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , Allow to change homebranch in course reserves
09:06 ashimema      I am not sure why we do the whole Don not push schema commits
09:07 ashimema      As RM I don't worry too much.. I tend to convert the commit message..
09:07 Null404       Hello there
09:07 wahanui       Greetings, programs!
09:08 ashimema      I have scripts to regenerate the schema as part of push anyway to help me catch issues
09:08 nlegrand      a git yur
09:13 cait1         jajm: talking to Joubu - missing some lines somewhere is the conclusion
09:14 jajm          cait1, that's a vague conclusion :)
09:15 cait1         you shoudl listen to Joubu - ia m not making much sense today :)
09:15 cait1         (10:49:22) Joubu: jajm: is_boolean can be part of a "DB changes" commit (kohastructure, atomic update, etc.)
09:15 jajm          cait1, i submitted new patches to bug 22630, qa tool is happy now :)
09:15 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22630 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , Allow to change homebranch in course reserves
09:17 Null404       It in normal that some functions are in English language instead Polsih in KOHA 19.11 ?
09:24 davidnind     Null404: others can confirm (or say otherwise), but I think it depends how much of the translation has been done https://translate.koha-community.org/projects/19.11/
09:25 Null404       okay
09:25 davidnind     One of the many tasks that need people to do them! :)
09:26 Null404       if translating is done will names automatic updated ?
09:28 Joubu         Null404: in the next release
09:29 Null404       ok, thanks for info
09:30 cait1         Null404: the RM and RMaints pull in the most current files for every version before each release - so you can also fix stuff in older ones, while they are still maintained
09:31 ashimema      heads up qateam.. lots of improvements to the QA script just merged
09:31 ashimema      Joubu++
09:31 ashimema      qateam?
09:31 ashimema      qa_team?
09:31 wahanui       qa_team is cait Joubu marcelr kohaputti josef_moravec tcohen kidclamp khall
09:31 ashimema      ^
09:32 ashimema      cait1.. one for your next weekly mail.. :)
09:32 * ashimema    goes back to playing with the kids
09:32 ashimema      have a good one #koha
09:33 Joubu         Thanks ashimema
09:33 Joubu         gitlab stopped sending me notifications, hum?...
10:27 khall         mornin!
10:28 Null404       hi
10:29 khall         Joubu as long as you've verified all reserve notices use the pk now, that is a good fix
10:33 Joubu         IIRC we always send the Koha::Hold object
10:50 Joubu         wiki?
10:50 wahanui       wiki is back :)
10:50 Joubu         it's not wahanui
10:51 Joubu         now it is, weird
10:54 davidnind     Joubu++
11:06 oleonard      Hi #koha
11:07 Null404       okay, I found opac.css location on Ubuntu
11:07 Null404       is in : /usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs/opac-tmpl/bootstrap/css
11:16 cait1         hi oleonard :)
11:16 cait1         you might be just on time
11:48 tcohen        hi alll
11:48 Null404       hello
11:48 wahanui       hey, Null404
11:50 tcohen        whats up Null404
11:50 tcohen        what are you trying to do?
11:53 Null404       I'm trying to copy opac.css file from main server to test one
11:53 Null404       a files are difrent
11:53 Null404       I'm trying via ssh
12:02 * oleonard    brb
13:13 oleonard      Seems weird that the list "remove share" link is only on the list for the user with whom the list is shared
13:14 oleonard      Why can't the sharer un-share the list?
13:14 magnuse       too confusing for the sharer to unshare the share
13:15 oleonard      Confusing because we don't want to build in a mechanism for notifying the person that the list was unshared
13:17 cait1         maybe also bcause it would be mean
13:17 cait1         you work on something for homeowrk (or whatever) together
13:17 cait1         and then the other kicks you out
13:17 cait1         and you lose access to the data :)
13:18 * oleonard    assumes you can revoke a share in, for instance, Google Drive?
13:19 cait1         no idea
13:44 TimothyAlexis Hello, is this the proper channel to bring stuff about code?
13:44 oleonard      Yes
13:45 TimothyAlexis I was working with opac-detail.tt and made a ton of fixes with indentation and such.
13:48 TimothyAlexis We have custom code in there which I was fixing but I noticed there was a lot to fix in the base too.
13:48 TimothyAlexis So I went through the whole file and made corrections.
13:49 oleonard      TimothyAlexis we try to keep patches specific to one issue, each tied to a separate bug report
13:49 oleonard      Indentation corrections would be just one issue, and shouldn't be mixed with other changes
13:49 TimothyAlexis Yeah I figured.
13:49 TimothyAlexis That's why I came here. :)
13:50 cait1         good decision :)
13:50 oleonard      So the first step would be to file a bug report for each of the issues you found, and make them dependent on each other if necessary
13:51 TimothyAlexis The changes I made was for the code to agree with the https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines
13:52 rramalho      Hi!
13:52 rramalho      i'm talking from Portugal
13:52 TimothyAlexis Other than that is was minor things like reduntant whitespace characters and inconsistent closing comments.
13:53 rramalho      We use Koha on our Municipality to manage all public Libraries
13:53 TimothyAlexis Could these be treated as one issue?
13:53 rramalho      I'm having an issue that I can't find a solution for
13:53 rramalho      When I search for something on the OPAC
13:54 rramalho      If the search is just a work like "economy"
13:54 rramalho      It's fine
13:54 rramalho      returns the results just fine
13:55 rramalho      If I search "state economy" it'll timeout after a while
13:55 oleonard      TimothyAlexis, you could file a bug for the markup corrections and submit two patches on it: one for indentation and another for markup
13:55 rramalho      koha 18.05.02.000
13:59 lari          tcohen: good work with the api exception handling. do you know if it's possible to pass the exception into a hook by itself, maybe before render
13:59 lari          if so we wouldnt have to write anything in the controllers
13:59 rramalho      Can anyone help me?
14:00 oleonard      rramalho do you manage the server Koha is installed on?
14:00 rramalho      yeah
14:00 cait1         rramalho: i am sorry, I am not coming up with anything that could cause this
14:00 rramalho      It's our server
14:00 tcohen        lari we can explore that, I haven't. I felt comfortable with devs explicitly writing there might be unhandled exceptions
14:01 lari          It's good like this, just a thought
14:02 oleonard      rramalho has anything changed recently? Hardware change, Koha upgrade?
14:02 rramalho      nop
14:03 rramalho      the database server only had package updates
14:03 rramalho      and the koha server itself had an uptime of 200 days
14:03 rramalho      I've just restarted all services and after the problem persisted, I've rebooted
14:04 rramalho      http://catalogo.cm-oeiras.pt/
14:04 rramalho      Same thing happens on the intranet/Backoffice
14:04 tcohen        lari I'm open to discuss any ideas you might have
14:04 tcohen        just pm
14:04 TimothyAlexis oleonard, Thank you for the guidance. I wish you superb health, well-being and happily memorable times ahead. :D
14:05 oleonard      TimothyAlexis thank you for modifying "memorable" with "happily" :D
14:06 TimothyAlexis oleonard :D
14:06 oleonard      rramalho For what it's worth, my search in your OPAC for "state economy" returned results very quickly
14:07 rramalho      now try to open any link
14:07 rramalho      It won't open until a very big timeout
14:08 oleonard      rramalho it works very quickly for me
14:09 rramalho      ok
14:09 rramalho      very wierdly, it's something that only happens inside our network
14:09 rramalho      thanks
14:10 rramalho      I'm sorry for your time
14:10 rramalho      so very sorry
14:10 oleonard      Not at all rramalho, I'm happy to help
14:15 eythian       when seeing things that happen within a network only, the first thing I'd look to is if there's weird local DNS stuff happening (for example, one DNS server not responding - though you'd possibly see that across multiple URLs, depending) or a proxy in the way.
14:16 oleonard      git blame is bullying me today
14:44 rramalho      It was happening to all clients connected via VPN
14:44 rramalho      no one ever noticed this, because almost no one was working from home
14:45 rramalho      now that almost everyone is working from home
14:45 rramalho      wierd stuff on the firewall
14:55 cait1         rramalho: glad you figured it out, such things can be tricky
14:59 reiveune      bye
17:08 tcohen        back from power outage!
17:33 caroline      @wunder montreal
17:33 huginn        caroline: Error: Failed to load Wunderground API. Check the logs for more information.
17:57 philor_       hmm, why aren't you broken http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/tools/quotes-upload.tt;h=dc5da4b0f241a28136542c31d473875b045456b1;hb=HEAD#l347 ?
17:58 philor_       did JSON.stringify already do what encodeURIComponent does and encodeURI does not?
18:25 oleonard      Hey y'all what is this about? {UNKNOWN}: Can't open /var/log/koha/kohadev/opac-error.log (Permission denied) at /usr/share/perl5/Log/Log4perl/Appender/File.pm line 143. at /kohadevbox/koha/Koha/Patron.pm line 345
18:25 oleonard      Never seen that before
19:16 oleonard      Thanks lukeG1 !
20:14 * cait        waves