Time  Nick            Message
20:08 huginn          amoyano: The operation succeeded.
20:08 amoyano         @later tell joubu could you check out bug 25086?, I believe it's related to 23579 were you submitted the patch
19:32 wahanui         okay, thd.
19:32 thd             I am also helping a couple of old people who are very well secluded.  The time spent shopping, etc. for myself and others with distancing queues outside and inside for hours is the big problem sinking time.
19:30 thd             I am very safe and keep a safe distance with much cleaning and barriers between myself and the 10 or so people I see each day of in person work.
19:30 cait            yes
19:29 caroline        health > docs meeting
19:29 caroline        take care of yourself thd
19:29 thd             I may or may not be able to attend the documentation meeting tomorrow.  I am working in person at an essential business three days a week.
19:29 caroline        eh, I didn't do much
19:28 cait            caroline++  :)
19:28 caroline        thanks ashimema[m]
19:28 ashimema[m]     thanks for kicking it off cait et al
19:28 huginn          Log:            http://meetings.koha-community.org/2020/general_irc_meeting_8_april_2020.2020-04-08-19.06.log.html
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19:28 huginn          Minutes:        http://meetings.koha-community.org/2020/general_irc_meeting_8_april_2020.2020-04-08-19.06.html
19:28 huginn          Meeting ended Wed Apr  8 19:28:13 2020 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
19:28 ashimema[m]     #endmeeting
19:28 ashimema[m]     thanks for attending everyone.
19:28 ashimema[m]     brill
19:27 ashimema[m]     #info Next meeting: 13 May 2020, 20 UTC
19:27 caroline        yup
19:27 ashimema[m]     13th May 20:00 UTC sound right to everyone?
19:27 ashimema[m]     S00
19:26 ashimema[m]     8utc seems sensible to catch people
19:26 ashimema[m]     UK is in Summer time and NZ just went into Winter time
19:25 cait            i am always here.. )
19:25 oleonard        Me too
19:25 caroline        fine for me
19:25 ashimema[m]     sounds reasonable ?
19:24 ashimema[m]     8pm UTC is 9pm UK, 8am NZ, 4pm New York
19:24 caroline        we usually do docs meetings around this time so david doesn't have to wake up in the middle of the night
19:23 oleonard        Yes, but still nobody from nz!
19:23 caroline        no? I thought it was around 9am right now in nz?
19:23 oleonard        "good" for NZ :P
19:23 cait            9 pm in europe - not too bad, or most of europe
19:22 cait            so may is too soon
19:22 caroline        now is good for nz and america, earlier might be better for europe
19:22 cait            it's on the kohacon website
19:22 cait            yes
19:22 oleonard        Regarding KohaCon: "We intend to make a decision to go ahead, or not, in July."
19:21 ashimema[m]     thoughts on timing people?
19:21 ashimema[m]     so..
19:21 ashimema[m]     It would be good to have some NZ folk in attendance to see if Kohacon20 plans are going ahead
19:21 ashimema[m]     Two points I suppose.. we likely want to hold the vote for the next cycle at the next meeting so a good attendance would be good..
19:20 ashimema[m]     #topic Next meeting
19:20 ashimema[m]     ok..
19:20 ashimema[m]     Do we have any news/updates regarding Kohacon20?
19:19 ashimema[m]     Bit early for NZ?
19:19 ashimema[m]     #info Stable releases went out as scheduled later March.. they included security fixes so nows the time to upgrade ;)
19:18 ashimema[m]     OK.. no rmaints..
19:17 ashimema[m]     #info The 20.11 cycle is fast approaching, start making plans for what you want to focus on, start working on proposals for your roles :)
19:17 wahanui         tallerjoy is curious how many "person hours" are spent in slack searching for gifs to share via the giphy app.
19:17 oleonard        tallerjoy?
19:16 wahanui         it has been said that rmaints is talljoy, lukeG, hayley
19:16 ashimema[m]     rmaints?
19:16 ashimema[m]     Just need to keep the momentum now and make sure we have a really nice stable and polished release :)
19:15 ashimema[m]     #info 20.05 is shaping up nicely, lots of new features and enhancements, both visible and behind the scenes.
19:15 ashimema[m]     #topic Update on releases
19:14 cait            not from me
19:14 ashimema[m]     any other anouncements?
19:13 cait            ype nice one
19:13 caroline        great job Jason!
19:13 ashimema[m]     #link https://koha-us.org/2020/02/27/kohathon2020/ kohathon2020
19:13 georgew         Yes, there are t-Shirts - the logo was designed by Jason Robb at Southeast Kansas Library System
19:13 caroline        I like the logo with the koha egg in the "thon"'s O
19:12 ashimema[m]     https://kohaus.threadless.com/womens/t-shirt/heavyweight-unisex
19:12 ashimema[m]     ooh.. there's t-shirts
19:11 cait            true
19:11 ashimema[m]     thanks georgew
19:11 ashimema[m]     it does indeed fly caroline
19:11 georgew         #info koha-US is doing its online Kohathon on April 23 starting at 13:00 UTC
19:11 ashimema[m]     :confused:
19:11 caroline        can't believe were getting close to may and already thinking of november! time goes by so fast!
19:10 cait            +1
19:10 ashimema[m]     #info We are into the polishing and bugfixes stage of the cycle now.. please concentrate on bugs and polishing of existing features
19:10 caroline        #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_20.11
19:10 cait            you should
19:09 cait            oh good one!
19:09 ashimema[m]     #info The 20.11 roles page is now available, please start adding our names now :)
19:09 cait            yep early
19:09 ashimema[m]     aha.. thanks cait
19:09 ashimema[m]     where are we at.. just introductions
19:09 cait            #topic Announcements
19:09 ashimema[m]     [off] kids were not going to bed.. grr
19:08 ashimema[m]     sorry..
19:08 * cait          hands chair to ashimema[m] ;)
19:08 ashimema[m]     #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS_E
19:08 ashimema[m]     hi
19:08 cait            ok moving on soon, hurry up :)
19:08 thd             #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City [world virus captial]
19:07 georgew         #info George Williams, Northeast Kansas Library System
19:07 caroline        #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inlibro
19:07 cait            #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
19:07 caroline        i don't think so
19:07 cait            no :)
19:07 oleonard        Do I have to do it again to count??
19:07 caroline        please use "#info" in front of your introduction to have it show up in the automatic minutes
19:06 caroline        lol!
19:06 cait            #topic Introductions
19:06 caroline        #topic Introductions
19:06 cait            too early :)
19:06 oleonard        #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, Ohio, USA
19:06 huginn          Current chairs: Joubu ashimema[m] cait caroline
19:06 cait            #chair Joubu ashimema[m]
19:06 huginn          Current chairs: cait caroline
19:06 cait            #chair caroline
19:06 huginn          The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_8_april_2020'
19:06 huginn          Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
19:06 huginn          Meeting started Wed Apr  8 19:06:10 2020 UTC.  The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
19:06 cait            #startmeeting General IRC meeting 8 April 2020
19:05 caroline        https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_8_April_2020
19:05 caroline        ok let me get the agenda
19:05 cait            caroline: should we try together?
19:04 caroline        I'd chair, but I don't have the brain power today
19:03 caroline        he may be busy with his kids rn
19:02 cait            ashimema[m]: ping
19:02 wahanui         rumour has it ashimema[m] is requestion a new build for the 3 projects, let's see if it fixes the failures :)
19:02 caroline        ashimema[m]?
19:00 thd             Les chats sont dangereux.
18:59 cait            thd: tell that to my family... it's painful
18:58 * caroline      is feeling overwhelmed by the amount of work to do for documentation...
18:57 caroline        fun fact, in french chat means cat
18:56 * oleonard      knows someone whose cousin had a video chat once
18:56 thd             Video chat takes too much bandwidth, the connection must certainly fail.
18:50 cait            my family is forcing me to video chat - hope i can escape but might be a little late
18:46 caroline        as far as I know, yes
18:45 oleonard        Meeting in 15?
16:29 ashimema[m]     brb
16:29 ashimema[m]     the title is generic.. each followup needs to be specific and use the generic method
16:28 ashimema[m]     lots of additional followups.
16:28 caroline        it does "add a way to", but not for the end user
16:28 ashimema[m]     then you need add some logic in each call to EnqueuMessage to catch the various cases of what one woudl want in the reply-to field..
16:27 ashimema[m]     I suppose the title of this bug is correct.. it does the foundations to allow it to be possible..
16:27 ashimema[m]     well.. it sort of is.. but the UI side needs adding via a new bug
16:26 caroline        ok thanks!
16:26 * ashimema[m]   is getting summoned by kids.. I can try and clarify the title when I get back
16:26 huginn          Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10269 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Pushed to master , Add a way to define a specific replyto email address for some notice
16:26 caroline        also, the request made by the reporter of bug 10269 isn't really addressed...We should change the title of the bug to make it clearer (and maybe create a new one with the initial request)
16:26 ashimema[m]     yes.. this is the foundation for that
16:26 ashimema[m]     hope that makes sense
16:26 ashimema[m]     a patron reports an issue with an item via the item notes.. the email will come 'from' the branch library address and go to the branch reply-to address.. and it will include the patrons email in the 'reply-to' field so if the librarian wants to just hit reply and have it go to the patron.. it will
16:25 caroline        but it's just back-end stuff right?
16:24 ashimema[m]     bug 22821 is probably the clearest use case
16:24 huginn          Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2234 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Make cart email from/reply-to/return-path address configurable
16:24 ashimema[m]     and bug 2234 and 3679 could make use of it once they're written
16:23 huginn          Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22821 normal, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Pushed to master , Use reply-to address for item notes notifications if available to avoid being flagged as spam
16:23 huginn          Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4461 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, aleisha, Pushed to master , Context-sensitive report a problem screen
16:23 ashimema[m]     bug 4461 and bug 22821 both then use it
16:23 ashimema[m]     what that patch does is add the foundations that were missing to allow this
16:21 ashimema[m]     nope caroline
16:21 ashimema[m]     hmm
15:35 caroline        (asking to see whether to include this in the documentation to-do or not)
15:34 huginn          Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10269 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Pushed to master , Add a way to define a specific replyto email address for some notice
15:34 caroline        does bug 10269 really do what it says in the title? I can't find a way to specify a reply-to email address for a specific notice
15:20 reiveune        bye
14:12 huginn          Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16547 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to master , Can't place item level hold directly from search results screen
14:12 Joubu           last follow-up on bug 16547
14:11 tcohen          ?
13:49 Joubu           FYI holds are broken, working on it
12:46 Joubu           same code doing the same thing, both should be fixed
12:46 Joubu           On the other hand it does not make sense to not apply the same fix on the same bug report
12:45 Joubu           oleonard: I am not against that, I FQAed it this morning to get an answer
12:44 huginn          Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25007 normal, P5 - low, ---, lucas, Failed QA , AmazonCoverImages doesnt check for ISBN in details.tt
12:44 oleonard        Joubu, why not just create another version of the Bug 25007 report for the OPAC?
12:39 Joubu           oleonard: nevermind, it's not important
12:38 Joubu           I cannot recreate on chromium, but can with FF (tested in private window)
12:37 Joubu           oleonard: it's not the focus actually. When I hit the adv search page I see the first of the 3 inputs (the one with the focus) that does not have the same size as the others
12:32 oleonard        Joubu your issue is with the size? I thought you were talking about the focus style (the border)
12:26 Joubu           If I resize the window it gets the good size... hum...
12:26 Joubu           I can see the correct input size when I refresh, but after few ms it gets back to the wrong size. That's weird
12:22 Joubu           FF 68.4.1esr
12:21 oleonard        Joubu: what browser are you using in that screenshot? It works correctly for me in Firefox on OSX
12:20 * oleonard      waves
12:20 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 7046: (RM follow-up) Add Filters <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=78b67d21c5f15bccdc7ae8f180d4f0a266196e9f>
11:46 cait1           commented
11:30 Joubu           aroussos: I do not have other idea. I would give -d a try..
11:30 Joubu           aroussos: yes, it's indexed
11:21 martin_renvoize bouncer
11:16 aroussos        Joubu: in order for Koha to show how many records each authority is used in, is it a matter of indexing?
11:03 aroussos        Joubu: sorry for mistyping your username :)
11:03 aroussos        Joubu: when rebuilding
11:03 aroussos        Joubou: I wonder if that change makes the -d flag necessary
11:03 aroussos        Joubou: I should mention that everything worked fine before, the only Zebra-related change that was made recently was an increase of the register index size
11:02 aroussos        Joubou: the permissions look OK, the files (and the directories the files are in) are owned by the Koha instance user
10:56 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 7046: Implemented subscription renewal dropdown sub length element <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d132c10bfcff87b117ff454bb431fdbd1f08c92c>
10:56 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 24826: Remove warnings from Sendmail <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e925568a3067e77173f4d21f476b28f8aa068571>
10:56 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 24840: Replace DateTime->now with dt_from_string <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6ac037f817def256c85706413036bee3f78ed40e>
10:56 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 22937: Add hint to groups editor <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=947b16b322b9fe719a1bef6c25d4172db3d7cc8e>
10:56 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 25019: Make the ViewPolicy filter initialization standard <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=df58c3e2c9af7b0218f6db957dbb781f0cb1f278>
10:56 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 25046: Include borrowers.othernames in SELECT statement <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=77457a496a43d9d3bd0330d2ed511b0d1388d8b0>
10:56 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 25041: Restore #ASKED anchor in suggestions table <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2f2db163bd108e165b2e54a7258ec1176c213285>
10:56 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 24940: Serials statistics wizard: order vendor list alphabetically <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9789a43025d139d4d0b872fa0b51c0dc1df0d7dc>
10:56 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 25081: Fix creation of new item for a received issue <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=bb527d54f598f91e4373282032fbc1ab9b0515d3>
10:56 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 7046: Preselect dropdown option and prefill input <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c88c8e5322d1205ca4e39409b34f8d02311182ad>
10:56 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 25046: Add test <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b3e15a720578b2f03ffea818bac4df585741b1a1>
10:56 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 24840: (follow-up) Catch some further cases of DateTime->now <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=94ec55d767cd9a61368757154e36e6e0d5bcafcf>
10:56 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 25081: Fix wrong comment <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c878a9e825ab740c2d1bc820875485cc816ed492>
10:56 ashimema[m]     . . .
10:48 Joubu           I'm waiting for you PR ;)
10:47 Joubu           nope
10:46 kidclamp        Joubu - do we have a qa test to catch new DateTime->now?
10:43 aroussos        Joubu: will check now
10:42 wahanui         the permissions are set on a per-user basis, not per-category
10:42 Joubu           the permissions
10:42 Joubu           so you should double check the zebra index files
10:40 aroussos        Joubu: yes, the reindex was run as root
10:39 Joubu           -d will delete the previous index
10:38 aroussos        Joubu: also, a full reindex of just the biblios is currently underway
10:38 aroussos        Joubu: tried a full reindex of just the authorities, but not with -d... what does -d do?
10:34 Joubu           did you run the reindex using the root user? (you may have messed with the permissions)
10:34 Joubu           restart zebra?
10:34 Joubu           aroussos: did you try a full reindex (with -d)?
10:34 aroussos        also, when I try to connect to the biblioserver locally using `yaz-client -c /etc/koha/zebradb/ccl.properties unix:/var/run/koha/instance/bibliosocket` I get "Database unavailable" after I perform a search
10:30 aroussos        13:27:48-08/04 zebrasrv(894) [warn] Cannot obtain EXPLAIN information
10:30 aroussos        13:27:48-08/04 zebrasrv(894) [fatal] Node node_zebra missing
10:29 aroussos        in zebra-output.log there are lots of entries like:
10:25 aroussos        searches work fine, but in the authorities module there is no information regarding how many records each authority is used in
10:24 aroussos        I'm trying to diagnose a problem with a Koha instance's Zebra server
10:23 aroussos        hello All
10:11 ashimema[m]     24380
10:10 kidclamp        all of them!
10:09 cait1           ?
10:09 cait1           which oneß
10:06 ashimema[m]     else I'll forget
10:06 ashimema[m]     could you comment on the bug pretty please cait1?
10:04 * cait1         waves
10:04 kidclamp        Hi Joubu and Ashimema
10:03 ashimema[m]     hi kidclamp
10:03 Joubu           Hi kidclamp
10:03 Joubu           *[m] exploded
10:02 * kidclamp      waves
09:33 Joubu           correctly*
09:32 huginn          Joubu: The operation succeeded.
09:32 Joubu           @later tell oleonard inputs with focus are not styled correct it seems: https://snipboard.io/EGrta3.jpg
08:51 cait1           and possibly for people using staticfines.pl? not sure
08:51 cait1           because it would create wrong fines for us
08:51 cait1           ah yes
08:09 ashimema        so.. I'm thinking this needs a further syspref to govern the bahaviour
08:08 ashimema        cait1: I have vague recollections of you wanting CalcaulateFinesOnReturn to always be obeyed
08:07 huginn          Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24380 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Backdated returns do not update fines unless CalculateFinesOnReturn is enabled
08:07 ashimema        bug 24380
08:07 * ashimema      is working through the NSO queue
08:07 ashimema        cait1 around still?
07:38 ashimema        hehe
07:38 cait1           I just have to turn my head... ask me
07:37 ashimema        bedroom is just accross the hall from my home office.. it's always a temptation
07:37 ashimema        haha
07:28 eythian         The couch may also be an enemy.
07:28 eythian         it's also dangerously just downstairs :)
07:27 ashimema        hehe,.. know the feeling well
07:27 eythian         hiya ashimema. Not bad. Could handle still being in bed I think, but y'know :)
07:26 ashimema        how are you this morning eythian
07:23 eythian         hi
07:17 ashimema        hmm
07:16 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 24801: (follow-up) Display all the libraries - Selenium fix <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=bad8c7089addceca18aacae14d9b7ed30a4722aa>
07:14 ashimema        is git bz  failing for anyone else this morning?
07:14 ashimema        hmm
07:13 philor          and I think I will file it, tomorrow when I'm closer to awake, because I suspect that means that if in the future we fail to update C4/Heading/MARC21.pm, and then someone creates or imports authorities using a subfield Koha hasn't heard of, merging them would merge them to a different authority without the Koha-unknown subfield
07:10 huginn          Bug 21826: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, ere.maijala, RESOLVED FIXED, Automatic authority record generation improvements
07:10 philor          https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21826 is the probable cause of my weird authority merge
07:10 * philor        crawls up out of several rabbit holes
07:03 wahanui         bidet, alex_a
07:03 alex_a          Bonjour
06:55 cait            time to switch into work mode, bbiab
06:55 cait            especially if not scared to look at some of the bigger stuff
06:54 cait            even a little bit of time helps
06:54 kohaputti       hehe, left the stage now free for other's submissions :)
06:53 cait            competition? ;)
06:53 kohaputti       oops, promoted myself to QA manager :D
06:49 Joubu           sure kohaputti!
06:48 kohaputti       so I will go ahead adding my name on the list of proposed QA team
06:47 kohaputti       Hi, I could still continue on the QA role for 20.11 but my time spent on it is not again exactly much
06:40 wahanui         kia ora, reiveune
06:40 reiveune        hello
04:16 philor          and yeah, it's like having CatalogModuleRelink on only for that one single case, but in general, we don't have it on
04:12 philor          no worries
04:12 philor          and, curiously, if I have the authorities "$aA" "$aA,$enarrator" and "$aB,$enarrator" and merge the third to the second, I actually get it merge to the second rather than the first
04:12 tcohen          It is really too late here sorry
04:11 tcohen          CatalogModuleRelink?
04:00 philor          and does it instantly, even though authid 1 is over the merge limit, so it isn't actually deciding that it should merge 3 to 1 and 2 to 1, which would schedule the merges delayed
03:56 philor          but what it does is act like it has been told to relink the bibs, making its own choice about what authid to use
03:56 philor          I'd expect it to either take the $aA,$enarrator from 2 and stick it in the bib record formerly attached to 3 and change the $9 to 2, or at most to say "wait, personal name authorities aren't supposed to have a $e, I'll drop that" and insert just the $a, leave the existing $e, and replace the 3 with a 2
03:48 philor          yeah, I'm in loose mode, but that doesn't explain "I merge authid 3 to authid 2, and the result is that my bibs are linked to authid 1"
03:47 tcohen          but also  AuthorityMergeLimit, which postpones the merge until a cronjob is triggered, if a defined limit on the amount of involved records is reached
03:46 tcohen          (the one that controls the behaviour)
03:46 tcohen          AuthorityMergeMode is the syspref you are looking for
03:45 tcohen          s
03:45 tcohen          search for 'merge' on the system preference
03:45 philor          and now I can't find any sign of the bug that caused linking bibs to authorities to correctly ignore subfield e, so I can't tell whether it's intentionally doing the right thing, or accidentally and thus might do something else wrong
03:43 philor          I'm not sure what it's about, since I'd be tempted to use "Koha surprised me when it did the right thing" as a bug summary
02:31 tcohen          ah, this is about it fetching all the authority subfields
02:27 philor          tcohen: I think it must be intentionally being smart, and just being surprising when it does so: the bib records end up correct, still both saying "A, narrator" but with the authority id for the plain "A", which is what would happen with a newly linked bib
02:21 tcohen          is it not deleting the link because of the $e?
02:21 tcohen          file a bug!
02:21 tcohen          philor oh noes!
02:04 philor          now you have an authority for "A" used in 62 bibs, and one narrator authority used in 0 bibs, and a startled expression on your face
02:04 philor          you merge one narrator authority to the other narrator authority
02:03 philor          You have an authority for the name "A" used in 60 bibs, and then before creating authorites with relators was fixed, you get two autocreated authorities for "A,‡enarrator" each used in 1 bib