Time Nick Message 05:40 ashimema Good morning #koha 06:43 reiveune hello 06:51 magnuse o/ 06:57 Null404 hello everyone 06:57 Null404 I have a question 06:58 Null404 There is any way to renew books from user by specific time period ? 06:59 Null404 for example from February 2020 to March 2020 07:02 alex_a Bonjour 07:08 did Null404: Have you look at Inlibro plugin ChangeDueDate ? https://inlibro.com/koha-plugins/instructions-changeduedate/ 07:11 Null404 interesting 07:13 Null404 this is French only ? 07:14 cait1 it might be just the screenshot, inlibro is in canada 07:15 Null404 okay 07:18 did It's not, there's english and french. 07:24 Null404 tnx for info @did 07:27 Joubu Null404: a tool has been released in the last versions: bug 24846 07:27 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24846 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to oldoldstable , Add a tool to bulk edit due dates 08:38 ashimema ... 08:43 magnuse ,,, 09:58 fridolin hi 10:33 Joubu khall: around? 10:33 khall yep! 10:33 Joubu Hi Kyle, I have a wording question. Could you explain what is the difference between "debarments" and "restrictions" 10:33 Joubu are they synonyms? Is debarment a kind of restriction? 10:34 Joubu The context is bug 23681 10:34 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=23681 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, andrew.isherwood, Signed Off , Patron restrictions should be user definable 10:34 Joubu We are adding a module Koha::RestrictionType, but a table named debarment_types 10:34 khall in a Koha sense, we started out with debarment, and switch to restrictions because it is apparently the more correct term in library systems. Much like we changed Reserves to Holds 10:35 Joubu that was my understanding as well 10:35 Joubu great, so the patch is going to the correct direction, we want to get rid of "debarments" 10:36 khall considering there is already a table 'borrower_debarments', I don't find it untoward to continue to use debarments for table names 10:36 Joubu khall: about the module name vs table name, should we rename the table to "restriction_types" in order to match the module name, or keep the "debarment" as it fit the other DB name 10:36 khall ideally, we'd rename all debarment related things to restrictions 10:36 Joubu perfect, thanks! 10:36 khall np! 10:43 * ashimema chants 'fix the db, add a view if people want backwards compatability for reports' 11:11 cait ashimema: we can also update reports a lot of the times - replacing table names should be easy 11:54 oleonard Hi #koha 12:21 magnuse \o/ 12:24 oleonard o/ 12:48 marcelr hi #koha 12:50 oleonard Hi marcelr 12:51 marcelr hi oleonard thx for patching 13:19 oleonard ðŸ‘ï¸ 13:26 oleonard cait around? 13:27 Joubu @later tell marcelr Hi Marcel, About 24852 - what are you expecting from me exactly? 13:27 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 13:31 cait kind of :) 13:39 marcelr Joubu: just go ahead with 24852 13:41 Joubu ok 14:05 marcelr meeting here ? 14:06 ashimema poop 14:06 thd Yes 14:06 ashimema I'm double booked.. forgot about the dev meeting 14:07 cait april's joke? ;) 14:07 ashimema #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 1 April 2020 14:07 huginn Meeting started Wed Apr 1 14:07:23 2020 UTC. The chair is ashimema. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:07 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 14:07 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_1_april_2020' 14:08 ashimema #topic Introductions 14:08 ashimema please use #info to introduce yourselves 14:08 Joubu meetings are no longer displayed/created in the agenda? 14:08 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart 14:08 ashimema #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe 14:08 marcelr #info Marcel de Rooy, Rijksmuseum, Netherlands 14:08 ashimema they should be 14:08 Joubu I don't see them 14:09 Joubu next ones are on 8th and 9th and not there either 14:09 ashimema #topic Announcements 14:09 Joubu qa_team? 14:09 wahanui well, qa_team is cait Joubu marcelr kohaputti josef_moravec tcohen kidclamp khall 14:09 Joubu welcome back wahanui 14:10 ashimema interesting.. I don't see them either 14:10 ashimema grr 14:10 Joubu I will check when running the script, maybe there is an error 14:10 ashimema thanks Joubu 14:10 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City [capital of bad viruses and hour long queues to see empty shelves] 14:11 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, Ohio, USA 14:11 Joubu #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_1_April_2020 14:11 Joubu it's empty 14:11 ashimema #info The virtual hackfest was a reasonable success.. lots of bugs pushed and a huge amount of movement in bugzilla. Thankyou to everyone who contributed and got involved. 14:11 marcelr https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_1_April_2020 14:11 kidclamp #info Nick Clemens, ByWaterSolutions 14:12 * ashimema is juggling meetings 14:12 ashimema #chair Joubu 14:12 huginn Current chairs: Joubu ashimema 14:12 Joubu #chair cait 14:12 huginn Current chairs: Joubu ashimema cait 14:12 Joubu :D 14:12 ashimema any other anouncements? 14:13 ashimema ok 14:13 ashimema #topic Update from the Release manager 14:15 ashimema #info We are moving into the bugfix and polishing stage of the cycle now. I will be going through the rel_20_05_target and rm_priority lists and tidying it up... I will make some exceptions, but generally we should not be focusing on cleaning up for the release, finding and fixing bugs and polishing enhancements and new features. 14:16 marcelr not = now ? 14:16 ashimema #topic Update from the Release maintainers 14:16 ashimema rmants? 14:16 Joubu s/not// :) 14:16 ashimema ack.. correct 14:16 * ashimema can't type 14:16 Joubu rmaints? 14:16 wahanui i think rmaints is talljoy, lucas, hayley 14:16 tallerjoy hi! 14:16 khall #info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions 14:17 tallerjoy #info Joy Nelson Bywater Solutions 14:17 ashimema [off] the fun of watching a folio demo whilst hosting a koha meeting 14:17 lukeG1 #info Lucas Gass, ByWater Solutions 14:17 tallerjoy I am behind, but taking this week to catch up to all the things that Martin has been pushing to master 14:18 lukeG1 19.05.09 was released last week, everything going along smoothly 14:18 ashimema it's been fast and furious of late.. sorry you've got so much to catch up on rmaints ;) 14:19 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany 14:19 Joubu lukeG1: not sure you saw my later 14:19 ashimema #info Joy is catching 19.11 up with master that the moment.. fast moving master. 14:19 Joubu in 19.05.09 there are 2 features 14:19 Joubu bug 24260 is part of the release notes 14:19 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24260 new feature, P5 - low, ---, lari.taskula, NEW , REST Self Registration 14:19 Joubu no idea how it goes there 14:19 ashimema #info releases went out last week and included 2 new features 14:20 Joubu no, one :) 14:20 ashimema hmm, me either 14:20 Joubu https://koha-community.org/koha-19-05-09-release/ 14:20 Joubu I think we should edit the wiki and the release notes md file 14:21 Joubu s/wiki/website 14:21 cait because it's not actually in? 14:21 cait revert or bug number typo? 14:23 Joubu lukeG1: could you double check? 14:23 Joubu moving on then 14:23 Joubu #topic Updates from the QA team 14:23 Joubu cait maybe? 14:23 lukeG1 yes, i will Joubu, thanks for pointing out 14:24 oleonard QA team update: QA team is great. 14:24 ashimema thanks Joubu 14:24 cait thinking 14:24 wahanui thinking is so much easier 14:24 Joubu I think we should highlight bug 22001 that has been pushed a couple of days ago 14:24 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22001 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to master , RaiseError and PrintError flags must be set for tests 14:24 cait can you say smething about the consequences? 14:24 oleonard wahanui: Easier than what?? 14:24 wahanui oleonard: no idea 14:24 Joubu some problems poped up, and I fixed them 14:24 Joubu but maybe there are some left 14:25 Joubu I think we need to write something to koha-devel about it, that's a bit technical and tricky 14:25 Joubu but basically, we did things wrong 14:25 cait not the first time :) 14:25 cait shoudl we action you for the email? 14:25 Joubu now it's correct for tests, but as things were wrong, we did other things to balance 14:26 Joubu #action Joubu add an email to koha-devel about 22001 (RaiseError) 14:26 Joubu will do 14:26 Joubu something else? 14:26 cait i think just the usual - queue is full, please QA :) 14:27 cait the hackfest was a success i think in that - the SO are really down, so QA is up 14:27 Joubu I made it down to 10 yesterday, this morning it was up again 14:27 Joubu not sure what to do... 14:27 cait yeah, it does that, good and bad 14:27 cait another thing 14:27 cait shoudl we start looking for next Release team? 14:27 cait we got about 2 months now, so maybe a little early, but not very early 14:27 Joubu we elected you as RM already cait 14:28 cait we need more hands on QA if possible 14:28 cait I know what date it is! .) 14:28 ashimema We should certainly start promoting for the next team 14:29 ashimema #topic General development discussion 14:29 * oleonard posts the job on LinkedIn 14:29 ashimema #info We should start thinking about the next cycle and the next team 14:29 kidclamp Please vote on my RFC? 14:29 kidclamp https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Advanced_editor_macros_endpoint_RFC 14:29 ashimema #action Martin will send out an email 14:29 cait oh good one 14:30 ashimema #info Nick has an RFC we need to look at 14:30 ashimema #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Advanced_editor_macros_endpoint_RFC 14:30 cait the api naming looks good to me 14:30 cait for the paths better to ask tcohen maybe 14:30 cait or someone else .) 14:30 oleonard I like tcohen's suggestion at the bottom of the page 14:30 cait agreed 14:30 cait just spotted it as well 14:30 kidclamp yes, I will adopt his path changes 14:31 ashimema I like tcohens path 14:31 cait maybe we could even vote then? 14:31 kidclamp please! 14:32 ashimema fancy phrasing a vote question someone? 14:32 marcelr incl path of tcohen 14:32 ashimema +! 14:32 tcohen hola 14:32 wahanui hello, tcohen 14:32 tcohen I didn't know it was wednesday already :-/ 14:32 cait tcohen must haveh eard us 14:32 oleonard "Heretofore shall it henceforth and in perpetuity..." 14:33 kidclamp Should we accept the advanced editor macros endpoint as proposed by kidclamp on the wiki with the path changes proposed by tcohen? 14:33 * tcohen has just seen a green symbol on my IRC client 14:33 cait #startvote "Do you agree with the RFC for advanced editor macros as wirtten on the wiki including suggested path change by tcohen? (yes,no,abstain) 14:33 huginn Begin voting on: "Do you agree with the RFC for advanced editor macros as wirtten on the wiki including suggested path change by tcohen? Valid vote options are , yes, no, abstain, . 14:33 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 14:33 tcohen #vote yes 14:33 thd #vote yes 14:33 marcelr #vote yes 14:33 Joubu #vote yes 14:33 tallerjoy #vote yes 14:33 cait kidclamp: was already typing sorry, saw your suggestion too late 14:33 ashimema should we have created and updated dates i there? 14:33 khall #vote yes 14:34 ashimema #vote yes 14:34 ashimema we can add those later 14:34 cait #vote yes 14:34 cait ashimema: like a tiemstamp? 14:34 ashimema indeed 14:34 ashimema I don't know.. how much auditing of macros may need to take place ;) 14:34 ashimema just a question.. 14:34 oleonard #vote yes 14:35 kidclamp file a bug and I will add in timestamps after initial bug is in 14:35 cait but could be a separate bug maybe? if there isn't one currently 14:35 cait yes 14:35 tcohen auditing_columns++ 14:35 ashimema agreed 14:35 cait ending vote! 14:35 cait 3 14:35 cait 2 14:35 cait 1 14:35 cait #endvote 14:35 huginn Voted on ""Do you agree with the RFC for advanced editor macros as wirtten on the wiki including suggested path change by tcohen?" Results are 14:35 huginn yes (9): Joubu, cait, tallerjoy, oleonard, ashimema, marcelr, khall, tcohen, thd 14:35 cait there you go 14:35 cait please update the wiki :) 14:36 ashimema thanks 14:36 kidclamp will do, thank you! 14:36 cait #action kidclamp to update wiki with changes, vote date etc. 14:36 ashimema any more general discussion points? 14:37 * oleonard would like to advertise Bug 25031 14:37 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25031 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Improve handling of multiple covers on the biblio detail page in the staff client 14:37 oleonard I think it's fun. Please test! 14:38 Joubu oleonard: Don't you think we should have a multiple sysprefs for cover images? 14:38 oleonard We do 14:38 oleonard the bug better accommodates covers when multiple preferences are enabled at once 14:38 Joubu really? 14:38 wahanui really is good to have josef_moravec back.. always get a boost from seeing a bunch of signoffs :) 14:39 cait some of them need extra parameters - probably not possible to wraup it all in one? 14:39 tcohen Why not add a new admin page "Cover images sources" 14:39 Joubu we should have one you mean? 14:40 oleonard My patch doesn't make any changes to the covers features, it merely changes the display if you have multiple cover sources enabled. 14:40 Joubu yes ok 14:40 cait tcohen: we have a pref tab - catalog enrichments or so 14:41 cait better display for mulitple is quite a long standing bug - thx for tackling it Owen :) 14:41 cait um oleonard 14:41 wahanui i guess oleonard is happy for ashimema to write the release script 14:42 oleonard If folks like it I will try to adapt some of those principles to search results & OPAC 14:42 ashimema :) 14:43 tcohen oleonard++ 14:44 * oleonard will accept karma if the patch works ;) 14:45 ashimema moving on... 14:45 Joubu nothing else? 14:45 ashimema #topic Review of coding guidelines 14:45 ashimema I don't think we have anything to discus this time :) 14:45 oleonard I have a question that might be relevant 14:45 ashimema fire away 14:46 oleonard I was going to ask cait but I'll throw it out to you all: Do we have established rules for how to add the use of a cookie other than documenting it? 14:46 oleonard Rules about how the cookie can/should be removed, for instance? 14:47 marcelr Privacy stuff? 14:47 cait not that I know of - for the GDPR group my work was mostly documentation 14:47 cait i think if the feature is not used/active - set no cookie 14:47 cait keep cookie duration to a sensible length for the feature 14:47 cait be more careful in OPAC than in staff? 14:47 Joubu and use localStorage when possible 14:48 oleonard Was just about to say: guidelines for when to prefer cookies over localstorage and vice versa 14:48 marcelr right 14:48 Joubu when localStorage possible, use it 14:48 oleonard I'd like to hear more about folks' preference for localstorage 14:48 Joubu ie. no need to get the info on the server 14:49 cait i am not sure if we need to document those as well... but possibly? 14:49 marcelr kind of the same 14:50 Joubu nope 14:50 Joubu the usage is not the same 14:50 marcelr depends on what you store 14:50 Joubu if it's client only, you do not need to use a cookie 14:50 oleonard Joubu why wouldn't we document localstorage just as we do cookies? 14:51 Joubu we can, but there is no privacy concerns 14:51 marcelr not sure about that 14:51 Joubu localStorage is not shared with the server 14:51 marcelr thats not all 14:51 marcelr it is stored, maybe people dont want that 14:51 Joubu then use sessionStorage 14:51 cait i am really not sure about procedures there 14:52 Joubu it's stored as well but removed when the tab is closed 14:52 oleonard I think our answer should be: Document localstorage just as we do cookies because more information is better. 14:54 Joubu none is used at the OPAC it seems 14:54 Joubu from Koha code (but used by emoji-picker) 14:55 tcohen really? 14:55 wahanui really is probably good to have josef_moravec back.. always get a boost from seeing a bunch of signoffs :) 14:55 Joubu koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/lib/emoji-picker/js/util.js: localStorage.setItem(key, value); 14:55 tcohen oh! 14:55 oleonard wahanui: forget really 14:55 wahanui oleonard: I forgot really 14:55 marcelr did we use sessionStorage for searches ? 14:56 oleonard marcelr yes 14:56 oleonard In the staff client 14:56 tcohen is there some docs to read so I undestand the concern about cookies¿ 14:56 cait forget really 14:57 cait wahanui: forget really 14:57 wahanui cait, I didn't have anything matching really 14:57 cait oh :) 14:57 Joubu found that if you want, there is a table that explains clearly the differences https://wpreset.com/localstorage-sessionstorage-cookies-detailed-comparison/ 14:57 oleonard tcohen: I think it all stems from GDPR 14:57 Joubu like "Accessible server-side – yes no no" 14:57 cait interesting 14:58 tcohen cookies and localStorage are the only way to have persistent state browser-side 14:58 cait https://softwareengineering.stackexchange.com/questions/290566/is-localstorage-under-the-cookie-law (probably not best source) claims local storage is also eccected by cookies 14:59 marcelr eccected ? 14:59 cait hm does't seem like the original soruce of tha tstatement still exists, so probably need to do more research 14:59 cait sorry 15:00 marcelr well localstorage is also in the GDPR domain 15:00 wahanui okay, marcelr. 15:01 cait not against use - but we might be better off documenting 15:01 cait and from the beginning, because finding them al was no fun and I still feel i might have missed some 15:01 oleonard Okay: 1. Prefer localstorage if possible. 2. Document both cookies and localstorage. 15:01 oleonard Sound correct? 15:02 cait coudl someone try and phrase out an update to the coding guideline including this? 15:02 marcelr And hold back from adding them too much ? 15:02 Joubu prefer sessionstorage first 15:02 Joubu then local, then cookie 15:02 ashimema +1 15:02 Joubu then send me cookies 15:02 oleonard I'd like to suggest that we document new cookies/localstorage on the wiki when we submit patches, not just after they're pushed to master 15:03 oleonard It'd be good to catch that stuff during QA 15:03 marcelr add when they are pushed 15:03 cait whoever catches it - there is a cookie keyword that can be set 15:04 cait we could note 'in dev' for version and the bug number 15:05 * oleonard likes that 15:05 tcohen sessionStorage would be the option for those concerned about privacy, but using that instead of localStorage would be a big behaviour change 15:06 tcohen am I getting it right? 15:06 oleonard tcohen: We could switch to sessionStorage for any cookie which we set only for the session 15:07 cait we can at least define a goal - and use it for new features, move ove the others 15:08 Joubu example, bug 25027 I wrote yesterday, move from sessionStorage to localStorage 15:08 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25027 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Result browser should not overload onclick event 15:09 Joubu (to see the difference between both) 15:09 oleonard Joubu++ 15:09 Joubu I think most of the time we need localStorage over sessionStorage 15:10 marcelr htg 15:11 oleonard The question came up for me in part because I was working on Bug 24625, which seems to be a great candidate for sessionStorage 15:11 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24625 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Phase out jquery.cookie.js: showLastPatron 15:12 Joubu sounds like it is, yes 15:12 oleonard Anyway, I think we needn't continue this discussion now since the meeting is running long now 15:13 cait you are rright 15:13 Joubu moving on? 15:13 Joubu #topic Set time of next meeting 15:13 cait thx Joubu 15:13 cait 2 weeks? 15:13 Joubu 15 April 2020, ? 15:13 Joubu hour? 15:14 Joubu #info Next meeting: 15 April 2020, 20 UTC 15:14 Joubu that? 15:14 wahanui it has been said that that is what blou added in his patch 15:14 cait 20 UTC? 15:14 wahanui i heard 20 UTC was currently set for the general meeting but I think 19 UTC may be closer to what people favoured in the preferred times poll. 15:14 cait not sure how this works with recent daylight savings changes 15:14 oleonard wahanui you are full of comments today 15:14 wahanui ...but wahanui is back??!!!|a political leader|a conch... 15:14 cait i am wayyy too slow today :) 15:14 cait works for mw! 15:15 cait end? 15:15 Joubu #endmeeting 15:15 huginn Meeting ended Wed Apr 1 15:15:09 2020 UTC. 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(v 0.1.4) 15:15 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2020/development_irc_meeting_1_april_2020.2020-04-01-14.07.html 15:15 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2020/development_irc_meeting_1_april_2020.2020-04-01-14.07.txt 15:15 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2020/development_irc_meeting_1_april_2020.2020-04-01-14.07.log.html 15:15 oleonard [off] wahanui is a conch?? 15:15 Joubu will adjust later if needed 15:15 cait Joubu++ ashimema++ oleonard++ 15:15 oleonard Thanks all for your consideration of my cookie questions 15:15 cait i need ot look that word up 15:15 cait oleonard: maybe for carneval? 15:15 oleonard I now return you to your regular non-browser cookie discussions 15:16 cait :) 15:16 cait will take a break and then hopefully be able to switch into QA mode without falling asleep (again) 15:16 cait cya later .) 15:21 oleonard wahanui: forget rmaints 15:21 wahanui oleonard: I forgot rmaints 15:22 oleonard wahanui: rmaints is talljoy, lukeG, hayley 15:22 wahanui OK, oleonard. 15:28 ashimema thanks guys.. sorry I missed the end 15:28 oleonard ashimema: We understand that your Juggling Meeting was important 15:28 ashimema lol 15:45 Joubu So we have a general meeting at 20 UTC, a documentation meeting at 19 UTC, and dev at 21 15:53 thd Joubu: There may be a lack of clarity about which direction to adjust for seasonal time changes and when more precisely one loses people from different time zones. 17:52 ashimema Lol, the hours of back to back meeting does sound a bit painful 17:53 ashimema S/the/three/ 18:16 reiveune bye 19:09 oleonard Hm, maybe I'll rewrite Bug 24625 a third time... 19:09 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24625 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Phase out jquery.cookie.js: showLastPatron 19:10 oleonard ...because sessionStorage disappears when you close the tab, and that may be too much 19:10 oleonard ...certainly not what users will have come to expect 19:11 cait no the tab is too early i think 19:11 cait hm 19:36 rangi morning 19:36 oleonard Hi 19:36 wahanui kia ora, oleonard 20:40 tcohen why morning