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07:39 reiveune                hello
07:39 wahanui                 salut, reiveune
07:53 alex_a                  Bonjour
08:34 Joubu                   @later tell talljoy sorry, read too fast yesterday. 23673 has been modified as expected!
08:34 huginn                  Joubu: The operation succeeded.
09:13 cait                    morning #koha
09:18 kohaputti               Joubu, what are the plans for moving the UI part of the circ rule refactoring forward now? Will it happen this month?
09:19 Joubu                   I need to be tested first :) Then QAed.. No idea when it will happen
09:19 cait                    kohaputti: got my train tickets to marseille this morning :)
09:20 Joubu                   It*
09:22 kohaputti               Joubu, I would like to use ccode or shelving location as a way to specify rules and adding more and more such things seems to not work with the current ui proposed since it will add exponetially(?) more things to configure?
09:24 Joubu                   IIRC there was a discussion on a bug report about that
09:24 Joubu                   maybe it was you
09:24 kohaputti               there is?
09:24 kohaputti               let me find it...
09:24 kohaputti               it could be me many years ago
09:24 Joubu                   cait may know :)
09:25 cait                    reading
09:25 kohaputti               I found Bug 17593
09:25 huginn                  Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17593 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Extend circulation rules to include shelving location
09:25 cait                    it comes up again and again
09:25 cait                    i think it will make thigns even more difficult... but
09:25 cait                    librareis.
09:25 cait                    i don't see why it would not work
09:26 cait                    categorycode and itemtype are not mandatory either are they?
09:26 magnuse                 @quote get 123
09:26 huginn                  magnuse: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
09:26 wahanui                 i already had it that way, huginn.
09:26 cait                    i mean we can still do all
09:26 cait                    so we could add another column for location i guess
09:26 kohaputti               our libraries use ccodes for special collections and it would be great if that collection could have its own rules
09:26 cait                    i'd just suggest ot be clear what priority will be applied....
09:26 kohaputti               like shorter loan period or only on-site checkouts allowed
09:26 cait                    we work around those issues currently by using different itemtypes and grouping them for search using ITEMTYPECAT
09:27 cait                    we also encourage librareis to use itemtypes as ITEM not material types
09:27 cait                    they don't always listen :)
09:27 cait                    but that means we have itemtypes like "reference" "normal loan" "overnight" sometiems, when it fits
09:28 * kohaputti             needs to look up ITEMTYPECAT
09:28 cait                    it allows you to group multiple itemtypes on the advanced sarch page... it's helpful
09:29 cait                    but... doesn't work with transltaions right now (only single language) - Joubus patch shoud fix that (another giant to test)
09:32 kohaputti               cait, and using location and ccode works since we have it like that in our fork. If the item doesn't have either of those then it will then just match a more generic rule
09:33 cait                    yes, there needs to be a clear sequence
09:33 cait                    of things to check
09:33 cait                    as we allow 'all' settings
09:33 cait                    i think the bugs I have seen asked for shelving location additionally
09:33 kohaputti               there is already know, I think it is branch -> category -> itemtype
09:33 cait                    so in combination with itemtype, not instead
09:33 kohaputti               s/know/now/
09:33 cait                    yep, so we need to decide where teh shelving/collections fit
09:35 kohaputti               cait, we could also make the order user configurable. It would be a quite small change to the code.
09:36 kohaputti               more sysprefs! :D
09:37 Joubu                   ashimema: with bug 24590, all runs will be green ;)
09:37 huginn                  Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24590 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Koha/Object.t is failing on MySQL 8
09:38 ashimema                :)
09:38 ashimema                thanks Joubu..
09:39 ashimema                that'll be really nice.. it's been a while since it's all been green.. the failures haven't been hugely worrying (mostly that missing dependancy).. but it's really nice to have a clean sweep again :)
09:39 Joubu                   especially after a big push ;)
09:40 ashimema                indeed
09:40 cait                    kohaputti: it scars me to death
09:40 cait                    unless the gui can be made really clear for it - i'd rather not have all the possible switches
09:41 cait                    people are already so confused about what applies and half the time i have a hard time epxlaining the difference between default and library specific rules :(
09:41 cait                    and which kid of library this is applied to
09:42 kohaputti               let's hope the new ui will make things easier
09:46 cait                    let's hope :)
10:55 kohaputti               Joubu, can you rebase bug 15522? There might be people interested to test it.
10:55 huginn                  Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15522 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , New interface for revamped circulation rules
10:56 kohaputti               actually it still depends on bug 21156 so we should focus on that
10:56 huginn                  Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21156 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , Internationalization: plural forms, context, and more for JS files
10:57 Joubu                   kohaputti: there is a remote branch
10:57 kohaputti               yes I know
11:00 Joubu                   kohaputti: rebased and pushed
11:01 kohaputti               thanks! :)
12:07 kidclamp                !bang
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12:40 huginn                  News from kohagit: Bug 24590: Fix Koha/Object.t on MySQL 8 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d88dfbf34e68849e0deed5543817decf6dfb19cb>
12:40 huginn                  News from kohagit: Bug 22302: Make ITEMTYPECAT descriptions fallback to lib description if no opac descr... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8854a14fe7299bc9230a856d19f213dcb2308956>
12:40 huginn                  News from kohagit: Bug 22302: Unit tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=724bd2e0550d8a61f7b5e0505b544cab52d655d9>
12:40 huginn                  News from kohagit: Bug 24529: Silence another uninitialised value warning <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=585001c6d3f18b4420f785778aab0889df43357b>
12:40 huginn                  News from kohagit: Bug 24529: Silence warnings for title level holds <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1069bc240525f72d1e06bb9b78ef55fbec6dad2e>
12:40 huginn                  News from kohagit: Bug 24485: Allow hold when some can be overridden <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1e2617342a156e58c3b59d6534842984c2f01df4>
12:40 huginn                  News from kohagit: Bug 24420: Display waiting on hold items in the Cataloging search results Location... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9eaa4d9775fa64549ec9657f333914d671129acf>
12:40 huginn                  News from kohagit: Bug 23844: Check if field defined in framework and specify 'Default' for framework <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=445a97d8d27cb381ba6594bbe3848d35f741958d>
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14:13 lukeG                   cait++
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14:24 oleonard                Hi all
14:24 tcohen                  hi all
14:24 tcohen                  !bang
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14:28 huginn                  News from kohagit: Bug 23673: DBRev 19.12.00.019 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=21594689e54abdf9b07669a0b1b35f204eb2bd1e>
14:28 huginn                  News from kohagit: Bug 24595: Silent warnings from Circulation.t <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=eedb6ce233443c5c2af4d4352c5374f293b88ac3>
14:28 huginn                  News from kohagit: Bug 23673: Set updated_on=time_queued on DB update <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=043a36e46a9dbf0c94bd01da1c02241c67d6360d>
14:28 huginn                  News from kohagit: Bug 23673: Avoid sleep in tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5958836a570f396c16b4bd43072bcd16a2101cb4>
14:28 huginn                  News from kohagit: Bug 24449: Add too_many_overdue to patron status for SIP <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4668a31dc5a43dc32e8535dac03fd8d8f4bb9010>
14:28 huginn                  News from kohagit: Bug 23784: Show subtitle, number and part in course reserve list of records <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ea8363559b10def137f1f365888d99551d2605de>
14:28 huginn                  News from kohagit: Bug 23673: Add "Updated on" column to patron's notices <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5ac7f3690d274e93cd38ee441c480d4d9c597a52>
14:28 huginn                  News from kohagit: Bug 23673: Change DB Structure <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=76c0a06728ec73504983f4e1e52b6add0a37a0e1>
14:30 lukeG                   Morning all!
14:30 caroline_crazycatlady   good morning!
14:34 * cait                  waves
14:42 talljoy                 good morning all!
14:42 talljoy                 @joubu got you message.  thanks!
14:42 huginn                  talljoy: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
14:42 wahanui                 i already had it that way, huginn.
14:44 oleonard                BOTFIGHT
14:47 Joubu                   wahanui: go search for huginn!
14:47 wahanui                 Joubu: sorry...
14:47 Joubu                   go search for huginn!
14:48 Joubu                   ho it's fixed
14:48 Joubu                   what a shame
14:48 * talljoy               hides behind the bar
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15:24 ashimema                Hnn
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15:37 Joubu                   yeah, D8 FTW!
15:37 Joubu                   ashimema: no idea why we have those random API failures. They are all different!
15:55 ashimema                it's weird isn't it.. I've tried to replicate them a few times with no luck
15:55 caroline_crazycatlady   ashimema: how is an overpayment refund generated?
15:56 ashimema                er..
15:56 ashimema                in what koha version?
15:56 ashimema                that's an area Ive been refining of late ;)
15:56 caroline_crazycatlady   my client is in 19.05
15:57 caroline_crazycatlady   they have overpayment refunds that seem to come out of nowhere
15:59 ashimema                how are you identifying them as 'overpayment refunds'.. what do you mean by that?
16:00 caroline_crazycatlady   it says so in the description https://snipboard.io/cr93u0.jpg
16:00 ashimema                it tends ot happen if the patron has paid off a fine whilst it's accruiing (via the opac online payments).. and then they return the item on a closed day so the fine cal gets backdated and ends up less than the amount they paid
16:01 ashimema                that appens
16:02 * caroline_crazycatlady hates credit questions... >_<
16:03 caroline_crazycatlady   and is this automatic or is it enabled by a syspref?
16:03 * ashimema              doesn't like those db level descriptions.. we should drop them all
16:03 ashimema                automatic
16:03 ashimema                it's inside the adjust method
16:05 reiveune                bye
16:05 caroline_crazycatlady   I agree on the descriptions... db descriptions are not translatable...
16:05 * ashimema              reads code for a moment
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16:08 ashimema                yeah.. that's pretty much the main way as explained above
16:08 ashimema                are they using online payments?
16:09 ashimema                and calculating fines on return?
16:12 ashimema                bug 24338 is just for your branch and just went PQA :)
16:12 huginn                  Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24338 major, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Passed QA , CASH is missing from the default payment_types
16:12 ashimema                oop.. wrong window
16:14 caroline_crazycatlady   afaik they don't use online payments... however, they do have calculatefinesonreturn activated
16:15 caroline_crazycatlady   if i understand the chronology, the user was late they paid their fine and renewed, not it is still late and accruing
16:16 caroline_crazycatlady   what bugs me is that the amounts and the dates are really weird
16:17 caroline_crazycatlady   they paid 3$ and renewed on jan.9, new due date is jan 30, then on feb 3 there is an overpayment refund of 2,40
16:18 caroline_crazycatlady   the fines are still accuruing since jan 30
16:18 caroline_crazycatlady   why feb 3 and why 2,40? where does that come from?
16:18 * caroline_crazycatlady will have less hair at the end of today
16:19 ashimema                so are they paying before renewing via the staff client?
16:19 ashimema                if I remember correctly renewals don't add a new checkout line.. they update the original checkout due date and increment a renewal counter... don't they
16:20 ashimema                so you kinda have to work backwards to get he old due date
16:21 caroline_crazycatlady   exactly, I went by the dates in the statistics table
16:21 ashimema                basically.. if for whatever reason they pay a still acruing fine just before a recalculation (like a renew or return will perform) and that recalc comes in as less than they paid.. they'll get an overpayment..
16:21 ashimema                they didn't change he fine rates or circ rules of something recently did they?
16:21 caroline_crazycatlady   but why feb. 3?
16:21 caroline_crazycatlady   do we have logs of changes in the circ rules?
16:22 ashimema                that could also do it.. i.e if they reduced their fine rates you could easily end up in the same condition
16:22 caroline_crazycatlady   of course if I ask them, they'll say they didn't touch anything
16:22 ashimema                hang on..
16:22 ashimema                they paid on 9th.. then got an overpayment refund on the 3rd
16:22 ashimema                that's wrong..
16:23 ashimema                oh..
16:23 ashimema                not nesessarily
16:23 caroline_crazycatlady   the library is open 7 days a week, so the fines should accrue everyday
16:25 ashimema                where did you get jan 9 from?
16:25 caroline_crazycatlady   ooh, I see there is a payment of 12$ on the 9th (which I assume contains the 3$) AND an amneesty of 3$... I have to check in account_offsets to see what each pays
16:25 ashimema                I only see feb 5th and feb 3rd
16:25 caroline_crazycatlady   oh yeah, I didn't screenshot the whole thing, hang on
16:26 caroline_crazycatlady   https://snipboard.io/ZP4hL6.jpg
16:26 caroline_crazycatlady   There are 4 cases, but I'm looking specifically at the barcode ending in 598 to establish the chronology
16:27 caroline_crazycatlady   ugh, and I never remember if a payment is account_offsets is a credit or a debit...
16:29 ashimema                wow.. that set really is confusing
16:31 ashimema                that looks like they paid the fine AND wrote it off too
16:31 ashimema                that's weird
16:31 ashimema                is the user meant to be exemp of fines I wonder
16:31 caroline_crazycatlady   yeah not sure how that happened
16:32 caroline_crazycatlady   I'm looking through the account_offsets to see if I can understand
16:33 caroline_crazycatlady   omg it's weirder and weirder
16:34 ashimema                it's bad that we don't somehow record the original due date in the fine when it's 'fixed'
16:34 caroline_crazycatlady   the payment of 12$ is for the 4 fines of 3$, but the 4 amnesties of 3$ are for the 0,90$ fines above
16:35 caroline_crazycatlady   but 3-0,90 is still not 2,40
16:35 caroline_crazycatlady   @_@
16:35 huginn                  caroline_crazycatlady: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
16:35 wahanui                 i already had it that way, huginn.
16:35 ashimema                wha...
16:35 ashimema                :'(
16:39 caroline_crazycatlady   do you think it could be related to bug 23788?
16:39 huginn                  Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=23788 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to master , Writing off multiple fees allows 'overpayment' of those fees
16:39 ashimema                could well be
16:39 caroline_crazycatlady   it is fixed in 19.11, but the client has 19.05.04
16:40 ashimema                afriad I don't really remember the details of that one
16:40 ashimema                but that does certainly sound likely at this point
16:41 ashimema                hmm.. wonder why it wasn't backported..
16:41 ashimema                another one missed :(?
16:41 caroline_crazycatlady   so when you renew a late item, do the fines have the status RETURNED?
16:44 ashimema                yeah.. thats horrible
16:44 ashimema                there's a bug for that
16:45 ashimema                the issue is how we record status's..
16:45 ashimema                it was fine before we started to show the status
16:45 ashimema                but it no longer makes much sense..
16:45 ashimema                I will be working on a tidy up bug for that shortly..
16:45 ashimema                could do with a few other things getting SO'd first really.. those tree's are growing massive again :(
16:47 ashimema                I'd never noticed the checkout dates stuff either.. that's pretty horrible
16:49 caroline_crazycatlady   there's also the due dates... 12/14/2019 is the due date of the first renewal, not the original due date nor the current due date (after the second renewal)
16:56 caroline_crazycatlady   even in the "Make a payment" tab, the due date is wrong https://snipboard.io/lfcap8.jpg
16:56 ashimema                haha
16:57 ashimema                I literally just created bug 24596 for that
16:57 huginn                  Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24596 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, NEW , Due dates confusing on fines for renewed items
16:57 ashimema                it's not going to be easy to fix though :(
16:58 ashimema                feel free to comment to clarify it :)
16:58 ashimema                I was rushing
17:08 ashimema                bug 14376 is the other wording one btw
17:08 huginn                  Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14376 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, matthias.meusburger, Failed QA , Allow the librarian to choose a patron when entering a purchase suggestion
17:08 ashimema                oop
17:08 ashimema                bug 24376
17:09 huginn                  Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24376 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Wording of Fine Returned is confusing
18:25 lukeG                   on pay.pl is there a good reason why I can add a note if I select 'Pay amount', 'Pay selected', or 'Write off selected' yet I cannot add a note when choosing 'Pay' or 'Write-off'?
18:43 ashimema                Probably just an oversight
20:00 ashimema                #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 5 February 2020
20:00 huginn                  Meeting started Wed Feb  5 20:00:28 2020 UTC.  The chair is ashimema. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
20:00 huginn                  Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
20:00 huginn                  The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_5_february_2020'
20:00 ashimema                #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_5_February_2020#Agenda Agenda
20:00 ashimema                #topic Introductions
20:01 ashimema                please use "#info" in front of your introduction to have it show up in the automatic minutes
20:01 ashimema                #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe, UK
20:01 JesseM                  #info Jesse Maseto, BWS, USA
20:01 davidnind               #info David Nind, New Zealand
20:01 lisettelatah            #info Lisette Scheer, Latah County Library District, USA
20:02 josef_moravec           #info Josef Moravec
20:02 wizzyrea                #info Liz Rea
20:02 khall                   #info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions
20:02 ashimema                #topic Announcements
20:03 ashimema                #info  GBSD 14th February, Valentine's Edition
20:03 ashimema                #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2020-02-14_Global_bug_squashing_day GBSD Details
20:04 ashimema                Lets get that majors queue under 100! :)
20:04 ashimema                anyone else want to announce anything?
20:04 JesseM                  ByWater Solutions will be hosting a YouTube Live Session on Friday, February 14th from 11:00 am EST to 1:00 pm EST where we will SQUASH SOME BUGS!!!! Join in, chat with us and ask questions!!
20:04 JesseM                  Join us at: https://www.youtube.com/user/bywatersolutions/live
20:05 ashimema                awesome, bywater++
20:05 ashimema                #info ByWater Solutions will be hosting a YouTube Live Session on Friday 14th from 11am EST to 1pm EST in support of GBSD
20:06 JesseM                  Going to be a good time squashing bugs
20:06 ashimema                #link https://www.youtube.com/user/bywatersolutions/live Join in
20:06 ashimema                hat's awesome guys, thanks :)
20:06 bag                     #info brendan bywater
20:06 ashimema                bywater++
20:07 ashimema                #topic Update from the Release Team
20:07 ashimema                Squashing the updates into one short section to save on time ;)
20:08 ashimema                #info Release is moving along nicely, lots of bugfixes and enhancements getting pushed.. Thanks everyone for the consistent level of SO and QA.
20:09 ashimema                #info Bug 18936 - Circulation Rules Ratification has been pushed, thanks to all involved, and sorry for the rebases it may have created for people.. its a big step in the right direction for koha's codebase modernisation and maintainability wise.
20:09 huginn                  Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18936 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to master , Convert issuingrules fields to circulation_rules
20:10 ashimema                #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...)
20:10 ashimema                #info Deprecate/remove QueryParser (see Bug 12742)
20:10 huginn                  Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12742 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Omnibus: QueryParser
20:11 ashimema                this one was from cait, but I think a few of us have been thinking about it for a while..
20:11 ashimema                should we start the process of stripping out QueryParser code..
20:11 ashimema                at this point I don't know anyone using it.. but that doesn't mean nobody is..
20:11 ashimema                less code to maintain and all that...
20:12 ashimema                bywater.. do you have any partners using queryparser?
20:13 wizzyrea                i'm not sure we'd know - how would we tell? (sorry if that's a dumb question)
20:13 josef_moravec           Hea says only 5 of roughly 2300 instances uses it
20:14 wizzyrea                what problems would it have solved?
20:14 ashimema                not sure how accurate hea is.. but it shows a trend at the very least
20:14 ashimema                #link https://hea.koha-community.org/systempreferences HEA stats
20:14 wizzyrea                it's off by default yeah?
20:15 ashimema                I believe the idea was that it was a re-write/cleanup of the searching logic in generall.. but starting with the idea of sharing the search query parsing logic from evergreen..
20:15 ashimema                but.. I don't think it ever fully worked and reached critical mass
20:15 ashimema                if it was going to be re-invigorated I feel it was have been with the coming of ES code..
20:15 ashimema                but that went a very different route
20:16 ashimema                it if inded disabled by default
20:16 josef_moravec           it is disabled by default
20:16 ashimema                it is indeed disabled by default.. even
20:17 * ashimema              would rather see the effort put into making ES great than try and maintain 3 sets of search code
20:17 ashimema                we can save a vote for next meeting.. but worth raising to get people thinking about it..
20:18 ashimema                #action Add vote for QueryParser removal to next meeting agenda
20:18 ashimema                moving on
20:18 ashimema                #topic Review of coding guidelines
20:19 ashimema                #info Vote for SWAGGER1.3.4: mapping
20:19 ashimema                #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines_-_API#SWAGGER1.3.4:mapping-_DRAFT Guideline
20:20 ashimema                So, as discussed at the last meeting we wanted to add some guidelines around api field mappings to help lower the debate around them during votes.
20:21 ashimema                I've drafted the above and run them past tcohen and a few other interested parties..
20:21 ashimema                I suggest taking a vote on the first two guidelines and leaving the third to another time as that's still in discussion whilst we work through the embed technicalities.
20:22 ashimema                do we have enough people here to take a vote?
20:23 josef_moravec           we are 7 or 8 according to info...
20:23 ashimema                indeed
20:23 JesseM                  How many do we need?
20:23 * ashimema              works on the vote question for a second..
20:24 ashimema                I think we're corate enough.. i was testing that people are still out there as much as anything ;)
20:25 ashimema                #startvote Do you agree with adding the proposed new coding guideline as phrased (First 2 points only)? Yes, No, Abstain
20:25 huginn                  Begin voting on: Do you agree with adding the proposed new coding guideline as phrased (First 2 points only)? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain.
20:25 huginn                  Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
20:25 ashimema                #vote Yes
20:25 josef_moravec           #vote Yes
20:25 lisettelatah            #vote Yes
20:26 davidnind               #vote Yes
20:26 JesseM                  #vote Yes
20:26 khall                   #vote Yes
20:27 ashimema                last calls...
20:28 ashimema                #endvote
20:28 huginn                  Voted on "Do you agree with adding the proposed new coding guideline as phrased (First 2 points only)?" Results are
20:28 huginn                  Yes (6): davidnind, josef_moravec, lisettelatah, ashimema, khall, JesseM
20:28 ashimema                excellent.. hopefully that'll help lower the cahnces of getting stuck in planning blight :)
20:29 josef_moravec           ashimema++
20:29 ashimema                #topic Set date and time for next meeting
20:29 ashimema                I'm suggesting 19 February 2020, 14 UTC
20:29 ashimema                fits the patturn
20:30 ashimema                back to the early slot
20:30 ashimema                any objections?
20:31 ashimema                #info Next meeting: 19 February 2020, 14 UTC
20:31 ashimema                #endmeeting
20:31 huginn                  Meeting ended Wed Feb  5 20:31:26 2020 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
20:31 huginn                  Minutes:        http://meetings.koha-community.org/2020/development_irc_meeting_5_february_2020.2020-02-05-20.00.html
20:31 huginn                  Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2020/development_irc_meeting_5_february_2020.2020-02-05-20.00.txt
20:31 huginn                  Log:            http://meetings.koha-community.org/2020/development_irc_meeting_5_february_2020.2020-02-05-20.00.log.html
20:31 ashimema                thanks everyone.. a nice quick, but fruitfull meeting :)
20:31 davidnind               ashimema++
20:31 lisettelatah            ashimema++
20:37 * ashimema              clocks off for the evening
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