Time Nick Message 23:12 Marie-Luce have a lovely weekend all 16:42 liliputech_asu have a nice one :) 16:41 liliputech_asu yey 16:41 AnnaBoten CATURDAY! \o/ 16:41 liliputech_asu caturday? 16:36 reiveune bye 15:39 corilynn I mostly *do* cataloging 15:37 cait makes sense, you mostly did cataloguing? 15:33 corilynn I'm just pleased that I got the worldcat apis working so I didn't have to login 50 times a day to get one number 15:32 corilynn I had to for a customer, briefly. I didn't like it 15:29 cait We saw a presentation a while ago 15:29 cait [off] Innovative's ILSs are not on the market here 15:28 cait never met someone who really used it - there is only 1 installation i think in germany 15:28 cait corilynn: did you? 15:27 corilynn have you used OCLC's WorldShare? It's TERRIBLE! 15:09 Nemo_bis Over 50 % market share in public libraries, I had no idea. Scary. https://sr.ithaka.org/blog/what-are-the-larger-implications-of-ex-libris-buying-innovative/ 14:22 ashimema hehe 14:20 kidclamp :-p 14:20 * kidclamp bullied martin and he gave in - I am rewarding that 14:20 * cait must have missed somehting 14:19 kidclamp ashimema++ 14:19 kidclamp ashimema++ 14:19 kidclamp 1 14:19 kidclamp ashimema++ 14:18 cait flags & (1 << 1) 14:17 cait hm someon eever tried to use bitwise operators in a report? << crashes because koha thinks it#s a placeholder thingy 14:05 * magnuse thinks about pizza 14:04 caroline_catlady I wonder who said that.... 14:04 andreashm now I'm thinking of icecream! damn wahanui! =) 14:04 caroline_catlady lol!! 14:04 wahanui somebody said caroline_catlady was to blame for me thinking about icecream all day long! 14:04 andreashm hey caroline_catlady 13:58 magnuse kia ora caroline_catlady 13:58 caroline_catlady good morning! 13:57 andreashm ashimema: thanks. I got invited to magnuse's one, so I can test there. =) 13:56 Dyrcona Yeah, that model bothers me: a free "community" version or pay for more features. It has become increasingly common lately. But, I'm not really in the Koha community, so feel free to ignore me. :) 13:52 ashimema there's a demo rocket.chat out there you can play with.. but no-one really on it 13:51 andreashm .... and now I now why. Self install or pay 13:51 Dyrcona It bugs me when F/OSS projects use proprietary software for communications. 13:50 ashimema maybe I'm incorrect 13:50 ashimema I don't think we should go slack.. and think we'd end up with a fair bit of backlash if some of us suggested that 13:50 ashimema yeah.. i've already done the mattermost vs rocket.chat comparision and decided rocket.chat would be a better fit 13:50 magnuse i can testify to the swedish community being very active on slack :-) 13:50 * andreashm should try rocket.chat. Still haven't. Tried Mattermost though. 13:49 andreashm IRC is a big barrier 13:49 andreashm but mattermost och rocket.chat would be better for the international community yes. 13:49 * andreashm likes Slack to. And the Swedish user group has koha.slack.com =) 13:46 magnuse (you can turn threads off in rocket) 13:46 ashimema why slack over rocket.chat or mattermost? 13:45 ashimema you helps bywater choose slack didn't you khall 13:45 ashimema it's too closed and too expensive 13:45 ashimema I don't think i could sell slack to the wider koha community ;) 13:44 * khall is in favor of a Koha slack channel ;) 13:44 ashimema irc have never been quiet to immediately easy for me 13:44 ashimema it's just easy 13:44 * ashimema uses Slack allot to talk internally at ptfs-e.. but also uses it allot to talk to tcohen, kidclamp, khall etc etc.. 13:43 ashimema I don't think we'd mind a shift personally.. 13:43 ashimema and even us geeks who are comfortable in IRC... 13:42 magnuse yeah, i can kinda see why that would put some people off 13:42 ashimema I don't like them at all 13:42 ashimema threads are wierd in slack too 13:41 ashimema we were talking about getting more of our customers interacting in the community.. but IRC is still seen as a big barrier 13:41 magnuse pertty much the only thing is that if someone replies in a thread, that reply is also shown in the main discussion. i *think* it is possible to quickfix that with some custom css, but i have not been able to figure that out 13:41 ashimema I'm thinking of suggesting we trial it at a community level 13:40 magnuse but there is very little i have to complain about 13:40 magnuse and so far i have only used it with a couple users, so dunno how it behaves at scale 13:39 magnuse nope 13:39 ashimema do you use the irc bridge stuff at all? 13:39 magnuse yes indeed 13:37 ashimema still enjoying rocket.chat magnuse? 13:37 magnuse no hurry! 13:36 ashimema think he must be at lunch.. struggling to raise him 13:29 magnuse yeah, true 13:25 ashimema probably what you want is less about the db schema and more about the internal api that's built atop it. 13:23 magnuse at least it's flexible :-) 13:23 magnuse and gets real interesting when you have to display some subset of data from several schemes in one table... 13:21 ashimema which is great and terrible at the same time 13:21 ashimema as in.. it can kinda contain whatever you fancy and actas as it's own DB 13:21 magnuse yeah 13:21 ashimema the requestattributes table is very much like authorized values.. 13:21 magnuse awesome! 13:21 cait ype, my suggestion won't work then 13:21 ashimema I'll ask andrew what he can do 13:20 cait ah ok 13:20 magnuse np 13:19 ashimema oh.. sorry.. was having lunch 13:18 magnuse so you would have to document a lot of different types 13:18 magnuse the thing is the illrequestattributes, where you have type=x, value=y 13:16 cait so it shows up on schema 13:16 cait as scomments 13:16 cait you could also do it in kohastructure.sql 13:07 magnuse or point me to some place where the mapping is explicit? 13:03 magnuse ashimema: the main ill requests table has a lot of columns now, but it is not self evident what data in the db corresponds to what column. do you think you or Andrew could do a quick wiki page with the mappings? 12:51 magnuse allyall++ 12:21 kidclamp koha++ 12:21 * kidclamp loooks and realizes I could go on for quite a while 12:21 kidclamp cait++ 12:21 kidclamp ashimema++ 12:20 andreashm ;Karma-fest! 12:18 kidclamp :-) 12:18 kidclamp andreashm++ 12:18 andreashm kidclamp++ 12:11 kidclamp joubu++ 11:57 andreashm ashimema++ too! 11:56 andreashm This is why I love the Koha community! =) 11:29 andreashm cait++ 11:27 andreashm cait: oh! that looks very much like our problem! 11:23 cait sorry for making noise on the bug... chose a wrong status and now have towork through some more to get back :( 11:22 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22877 major, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, RESOLVED FIXED, Returning a lost item not marked as returned can generate additional overdue fines 11:22 cait bug 22877 for example 11:21 cait since we don't use that heavily i haven't dug deeper 11:21 cait there are quite a few bugs in the lost area reported 11:20 andreashm cait: looking more at the list, it seems most of the nightly runs happened before upgrading to 18.11. And the other problem (returns being calculated for Lost book being returned), appears mostly after upgrade. Interesting! 11:15 andreashm cait: thanks, I'll look more at it! 11:15 cait don't want this :) 11:15 cait just trying to think what could cause this... we are about to go to 18.11 and meh 11:14 cait that's why checking the logs for a renewal happening might be ineresting to rule out/confirm 11:14 cait in theory.. if that could be it - like it's not really 'renewed' into the future 11:14 andreashm hmmmm 11:14 cait i was wondering... sometimes a recalculated due date could be the same date as before 11:14 andreashm we have had some occurances like you describe, but some others obviously faulty 11:13 andreashm cait: ah, like so. But no, these change from one day to the next, during the same "cycle". 11:12 cait the old one would no longer accrue, onle the new entry... and one would be F and the other FU 11:12 cait if it's something like that... it woudl not be really doubled 11:11 cait if you still have old fines from last time... your bad 11:11 cait you renew... get a new due date... it goes overdue again, it starts again 11:11 cait because then a new 'fine process starts' 11:11 cait andreashm: i think so 11:09 andreashm cait: ^^ 11:06 andreashm will look if they have been renewed then. but previously, it seems not. will look if holds added/deleted is involved. 11:04 andreashm renews make the fine start over? 10:51 cait can you see the last renewed for those? 10:50 cait if there was a renew happening... it would make the fine start over 10:50 cait oh 10:50 andreashm The major thing seem to be why the automatic renewals sometimes adds a new fine. But I also don't understand why fees are sometimes calculated on return (ignoring that syspref). Returns are mostly Lost items that are problematic. (they are the reason we started looking into this) 10:48 andreashm But it doesn't happen all the time. Making it hard to replicate the issue 10:47 andreashm not at all 10:45 cait that's... not good 10:45 cait hm 10:45 andreashm cait: yes. 10:41 cait how do you knwo they are faulty... same issue_id and created one day after last incrmeent of the other fine? 10:40 andreashm We have over 400 casesof faulty duplicate fines added, this year. =( 10:38 andreashm cait: no, not using book drop mode. 10:37 huginn Bug 23454: major, P5 - low, ---, hemantharao.kr, NEW , Fine for the previous overdue may get overwritten by the next one 10:37 andreashm I haven't seen anything related in Bugzilla (although some things close, but not quite the same). But sounds a bit like https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=23454 10:37 cait hm are you using book drop or so? 10:36 andreashm 18.11.04 10:36 andreashm Seems related both to the automatic renewals cronjob, and wrong calculations done on return (but we have CalculateFinesOnReturn set to Don't) 10:36 wahanui which version is thiis? 10:36 cait which version? 10:35 cait no renewals in between... right? 10:35 cait ouch 10:35 andreashm We have now turned of fines while we investigate. 10:35 andreashm Oh no! We have found duplicate fines in the database. Instead of continuing to add fine updates, sometimes a new fine is instead created. Say a fine was accruing, with 250 SEK on Tuesday. Instead of increasing it to 260 the next day, another (new) fine with 260 is added the same day. 10:33 cait how are the emails? 09:53 ashimema yeah, not bad :) 09:44 cait not checking email at all? that sounds like productive meetings :) 09:15 * ashimema opens email and see's how much he's missed whilst he's been in meetings the past couple of days :( 09:15 ashimema sounds like a mistake somewhere.. 09:14 ashimema er.. there is not 19.05.06 08:48 marcelr cache ? 08:30 magnuse hm, "sudo apt-cache policy koha-common" says i just upgraded to 19.05.06, but "About Koha" says 19.05.05? 08:00 alex_a Bonjour 07:45 * magnuse waves 07:38 wahanui privet, fridolin 07:38 fridolin hi 07:38 reiveune hello 07:15 nlegrand boker tov 06:56 marcelr hi #koha 06:32 calire morning #koha