Time Nick Message 07:02 ashimema davidnind++ 07:37 reiveune hello 07:47 magnuse davidnind++ 07:57 alex_a Bonjour 07:57 wahanui kia ora, alex_a 08:22 davidnind ashimema: thanks for answering my questions about the translation workflow! 08:27 sev_q Hello #koha !! 08:27 tuxayo o/ sev_q 08:28 sev_q hiya tuxayo :) 08:40 alex_a hello sev_q 08:42 sev_q good morning alex_a ! 08:50 Joubu ashimema: follow-up attached to bug 23982 (will fix the failing test) 08:50 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=23982 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to master , Count/pagination broken for reports with duplicated column names 08:54 Joubu ashimema: I do not get why the last build for U18 failed (instead of unstable) - https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/477/consoleFull 08:55 ashimema me either 08:55 ashimema was just about to ask you if you had any idea 08:56 Joubu push the follow-up and see what's happening :) 09:01 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23982: Fix the failing test <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c0a34045df6eb84c2622fcfc69ce48debb365a5d> 09:15 nlegrand ahlan #koha 09:16 nlegrand join #francophonie 09:16 nlegrand oups 09:21 magnuse bonjour nlegrand 09:31 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 09:31 wahanui Congratulations! 09:31 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #540: FIXED in 28 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/540/ 09:39 tuxayo o/ nlegrand 09:39 tuxayo «join #francophonie» 09:40 tuxayo he he 09:56 nlegrand o/ tuxayo 09:56 nlegrand salut magnuse ! 09:58 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9_My8 build #20: FAILURE in 56 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_My8/20/ 10:07 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 10:07 wahanui Congratulations! 10:07 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1007: FIXED in 35 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/1007/ 10:14 Joubu tcohen, ashimema: bug 24070 10:14 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24070 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, NEW , koha_es killed, missing RAM 10:15 ashimema oooh.. 10:15 ashimema interesting 10:17 Joubu new comment, it's the RAM of the nodes actually, not the container 10:20 ashimema Ooh, very interesting.. I have no idea how much resource those nodes have 10:21 ashimema Can't even remember who hosts them 11:01 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #478: NOW UNSTABLE in 1 hr 3 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/478/ 11:58 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23805: (RM follow-up) Add credit_type relation to Koha::Account::Line <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=75c2cbed874f32fafe4df31f832e9c3259b5e887> 12:27 marcelr hi #koha 12:35 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1008: SUCCESS in 36 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/1008/ 12:38 oleonard Hi all 12:43 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #541: UNSTABLE in 45 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/541/ 13:15 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #479: STILL UNSTABLE in 39 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/479/ 13:16 oleonard sev_q: Thanks for testing Bug 9156! 13:16 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9156 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Failed QA , itemcallnumber not pulling more than 2 subfields 13:18 oleonard @later tell khall Have you seen Bug 23025? I updated the patch on that to add more upgrades 13:18 huginn oleonard: The operation succeeded. 13:19 oleonard ashimema: Or perhaps you could explain how to get that bug moving in another way... patch only for fstream? 13:20 ashimema hi 13:20 * ashimema reads up 13:21 ashimema ooh.. i'd entirely forgotten about that one. 13:22 ashimema I basically think we aught to update all dependancies regularly.. but likely as two operations each time.. 13:22 ashimema one patch for all 'dev only' dependancies.. like a our build tools 13:22 ashimema and one for user facing.. 13:23 ashimema dev only stuff can basically skip QA in my opinion.. it's not going to hurt end users.. only developers.. who are more likely to be able to fix it themselves quickly enough.. 13:23 ashimema but user facing needs a bit more testing.. like when you upgraded bootstrap or jQuery for example. 13:23 ashimema thoughts? 13:24 ashimema if the set in bug 23025 just dev facing.. 13:24 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=23025 is not accessible. 13:24 ashimema if so.. I'll mark is PQA now and push it before release 13:24 oleonard I think I agree. yarn doesn't manage any user-facing assets, only what is required for compiling SCSS 13:37 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9_My8 build #21: STILL FAILING in 54 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_My8/21/ 13:56 * magnuse wonders if the test plan for bug 24072 should just be "see the typos" or involve a lot of setting up loans that expire today etc 13:56 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24072 major, P5 - low, ---, magnus, NEW , Typos in advance_notices.pl causes DUEDGST not to be sent 14:02 JBoyer apt show dnsutils 14:02 JBoyer Sigh. And you people thought I was kidding yesterday... 14:03 JBoyer oops. Double-wrong window, heh. 14:03 oleonard JBoyer: Somehow this problem will be resolved by the time Star Trek's comm system is invented 14:04 ashimema remind me.. are we allowed to use html5 input types and validation now oleonard? 14:05 oleonard ashimema: Yes, but I think adding JS validation using the validation plugin is a good extra layer 14:05 ashimema i.e. I am tempted to update the accounts payments pages to use `type="number"` and set `min` values on the 'collected from patron` field for bug 22359 14:05 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22359 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Improve usability of 'change calculation' (bug 11373) 14:06 ashimema 'min' is a bit weird.. although you can set type to number and the little incrementing arrows stop at min.. you can still enter a value by hand that's less than it.. 14:06 ashimema grr 14:06 oleonard I think "number" is the most common example of an HTML5 input type used in Koha already 14:06 caroline_crazycatlady hello everyone! 14:07 oleonard Hi caroline_crazycatlady 14:07 oleonard caroline_crazycatlady++ # Great education meeting summary 14:08 ashimema got a good example of the belt and braces approach using js too? 14:08 caroline_crazycatlady thank you! It was really fun and I'm hoping the docs team can work out what we want :) 14:08 * ashimema wonders what he missed there 14:09 caroline_crazycatlady ashimema: I sent you an email regarding one of the points 14:09 oleonard ashimema: This "belt and braces" idiom is completely new to me! 14:09 ashimema oh really.. lol 14:09 ashimema i.e. javascript + html5 validation 14:10 ashimema implimenting both at the same time rather than relying on just one 14:12 oleonard ashimema: I don't think there's any difference between using both and using just the JS validation 14:13 ashimema fair enough 14:13 oleonard /prog/js/categories.js has good examples of using the plugin 14:13 ashimema thanks 14:14 ashimema the challange is going to be that I want to watch one field and use it's value as the minimum for another 14:15 oleonard picture-upload.tt has an example of using a "depends" parameter 14:15 ashimema excellent, thanks 14:15 ashimema very helpful 14:20 ashimema what plugin are we using.. just trying to find some docs on 'depends'.. see 14:20 oleonard https://jqueryvalidation.org/ 14:20 ashimema https://jqueryvalidation.org/documentation/ ? 14:21 oleonard Not great documentation unfortunately. 14:21 oleonard Also I see were using an out-of-date version 14:22 ashimema just enough I believe :) 14:23 * oleonard watches carefully for caroline_catlady 's nick to change back 14:23 caroline_catlady i just wanted to make sure I didn't get laters for my "regular" nick :) 14:25 Joubu ashimema: did you get an error when you ran the koha-meetings script for the last doc meeting? 14:25 Joubu ashimema: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Documentation_IRC_meeting_14_November_2019 minutes are missing 14:25 caroline_catlady I'm sure my IRC client will eventually revert me back to crazy 14:26 ashimema :( 14:26 ashimema I don't remember if I ran the script of not now ( 14:29 magnuse bug 24072 is a nice little companion to bug 24064, would be great to have it fixed in the upcoming versions *nudge, nudge, wink, wink* 14:29 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24072 major, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Typos in advance_notices.pl causes DUEDGST not to be sent 14:29 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24064 major, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to master , DUEDGST typoed as DUEGST 14:37 ashimema hmm.. I don't see where the validate plugin is loaded in picture-upload.tt 14:40 sev_q oleonard : my pleasure ! sorry for the late answer, I was in the reading room 16:05 ashimema cait... 16:05 ashimema bug 22359 16:05 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22359 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Improve usability of 'change calculation' (bug 11373) 16:09 wizzyrea tÄ“nÄ koutou 16:13 wizzyrea i want to set one of these up for the community 16:13 wizzyrea https://www.question2answer.org/ 16:13 wizzyrea it's FOSS stack overflow 16:13 wizzyrea that we control 16:14 wizzyrea i have server capacity for this. 16:19 ashimema did we not having something like that once? 16:20 ashimema I like the idea though 16:21 caroline_catlady Yeah, I feel like I've seen something like this before 16:22 ashimema maybe it was anoter project i used to work with that had that.. openstreetmap: https://help.openstreetmap.org/ 16:23 wizzyrea hi 16:24 wizzyrea yeah we tried with stackoverflow proper a few years ago 16:24 wizzyrea but that never caught on 16:24 wizzyrea mostly because we don't have enough volume to justify a stackoverflow of our own 16:24 ashimema grr.. seems osqa (the open software we used at openstreetmap for this) has since gone closed source as far as I can tell 16:25 ashimema still.. your Question2Answer looks interesting 16:43 wizzyrea it's great 16:43 wizzyrea ByWater uses it internally 16:43 wizzyrea it is A+++++ 16:44 wizzyrea and it can be made prettier than the default theme. 16:44 wizzyrea which of course we'd want :) 16:44 wizzyrea i'm gonna do it. 16:44 wizzyrea if it catches on, great 16:45 wizzyrea if not, it's only a little of my time. ^.^ 16:45 oleonard Scandalous 16:46 caroline_catlady in overdue notices, the branch is which branch? The patron's branch? 16:46 caroline_catlady the item's branch? 17:02 ashimema wizzyrea++ 17:03 ashimema I reckon we could quickly populate it with some faq's if we reach out to support companies wizzyrea.. sure I could get at least a few from our side 17:07 oleonard "Do penguins have knees?" 17:07 ashimema "Do fish have wings?" 17:08 ashimema !bang 17:08 AnnaBoten ashimema, you missed the duck! 17:08 oleonard !bang 17:08 AnnaBoten \_x< oleonard: 1 (69074.22 seconds) 17:08 AnnaBoten [('oleonard', 1), ('lisettelatah', 1), ('corilynn', 1)] 17:08 AnnaBoten Best time: lisettelatah with 4.90 seconds (this is your new record in this channel! Your previous record was 6.23) 17:08 ashimema dang 17:08 ashimema wha 17:12 caroline_catlady we already have a faq in the manual, maybe start with that? 17:13 * oleonard goes there to check whether penguins have knees 17:14 caroline_catlady we should add it just for fun :) 17:14 caroline_catlady Where I worked before, a colleague wanted to catalog a spatula and see how much time it took for a patron to come ask for it, hehe 17:15 AnnaBoten \_o< quack! 17:15 wahanui *click* 17:15 oleonard !bang 17:15 AnnaBoten \_x< oleonard: 1 (11.32 seconds) 17:17 oleonard Never seen this error for git-bz before, "socket.gaierror: [Errno -3] Temporary failure in name resolution" 17:18 AnnaBoten \_o< quack! 17:18 wahanui !bang 17:18 oleonard !bang 17:18 AnnaBoten \_x< oleonard: 2 (11.69 seconds) 17:21 AnnaBoten \_o< quack! 17:21 wahanui !bang 17:21 lisettelatah !bang 17:21 AnnaBoten \_x< lisettelatah: 1 (4.67 seconds) 17:21 AnnaBoten [('oleonard', 2), ('lisettelatah', 1)] 17:21 AnnaBoten Best time: lisettelatah with 4.67 seconds (this is your new record in this channel! Your previous record was 4.9) 17:26 AnnaBoten \_o< quack! 17:26 wahanui *click* 17:27 oleonard !bang 17:27 AnnaBoten \_x< oleonard: 1 (20.83 seconds) 17:27 oleonard I feel like wahanui is throwing his shots to make us feel better. 17:31 AnnaBoten \_o< quack! 17:31 wahanui oops, slipped over 17:31 oleonard !bang 17:31 AnnaBoten \_x< oleonard: 2 (8.85 seconds) 17:31 oleonard wahanui's like if you took your butler hunting with you 17:32 caroline_catlady lol! 17:39 AnnaBoten \_o< quack! 17:39 wahanui *click* 17:39 oleonard !bang 17:39 AnnaBoten \_x< oleonard: 3 (7.35 seconds) 17:39 AnnaBoten \o/ oleonard: 3 ducks out of 3: perfect!!! +5 \o/ 17:39 AnnaBoten Best time: oleonard with 7.35 seconds 17:39 AnnaBoten oleonard took the lead for the week over lisettelatah with 29 points. 17:40 AnnaBoten \_o< quack! 17:40 wahanui oops, slipped over 17:41 lisettelatah !bang 17:41 AnnaBoten \_x< lisettelatah: 1 (77.29 seconds) 17:42 caroline_catlady Ok, I'm trying to make sense of this https://www.sphinx-doc.org/en/master/usage/restructuredtext/directives.html#index-generating-markup 17:42 pastebot "caroline_catlady" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Would this be what it looked like IRL?" (15 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/12125 17:43 caroline_catlady And then I know I have to go in the actual text and add the targets, but before I go further I'm just trying to workout the structure for the thesaurus 17:43 AnnaBoten \_o< quack! 17:43 wahanui !bang 17:43 lisettelatah !bang 17:43 AnnaBoten \_x< lisettelatah: 2 (6.77 seconds) 17:45 AnnaBoten \_o< quack! 17:45 wahanui oops, slipped over 17:45 lisettelatah !bang 17:45 AnnaBoten \_x< lisettelatah: 3 (6.93 seconds) 17:45 AnnaBoten \o/ lisettelatah: 3 ducks out of 3: perfect!!! +5 \o/ 17:45 AnnaBoten Best time: lisettelatah with 6.77 seconds 17:45 AnnaBoten lisettelatah took the lead for the week over oleonard with 23 points. 17:48 oleonard Looks like we don't have a unified way to generate CSV/odt exports. Seems like an oversight. 17:49 davidnind caroline_catlady: I will give it a go shortly, seems really useful to be able to add an index 17:49 caroline_catlady oh hi davidnind! I was just writing you an email :) 17:50 caroline_catlady didn't know you were already up 17:50 AnnaBoten \_o< quack! 17:50 wahanui *click* 17:50 oleonard *click* 17:50 oleonard Dang, my clumsy fingers 17:50 caroline_catlady Are ReST and LwDITA different markup languages? And if so, should we start to move the manual toward LwDITA? 17:50 davidnind nearly 7am, so I guess I should be up 17:51 caroline_catlady eh, I'm not up at 7am ;) 17:52 oleonard caroline_catlady: I'll be sure not to post puppy pictures at 5:30AM when I get up in case the notification wakes you 17:52 caroline_catlady My phone's notifications are blocked until 7 :) post away and I will smile when I wake up 17:53 davidnind Normal DITA (Darwin Information Typing Architecture) is an XML based language, which puts some people off - it has lots of tags that can be used, not as many as DocBook though 17:55 davidnind Lightweight DITA (LwDITA) is an attempt to make it easier to author by allowing topics to be written using different formats - a simplified XML structure, HTML, and markdown 17:56 caroline_catlady Is it more complicated than ReST? We're just starting to get ppl on board to contribute... Do you think it would scare them? 17:57 davidnind DITA is an open standard managed by OASIS, LwDITA is still under development, but it mostly works - at some stage I thing they would like to add a restructured text option 17:58 caroline_catlady The other thing is, can we still do all the other stuff we talked about with ReST (namely, doing smaller chapters, how-tos, etc) and exporting them as training material? 18:00 caroline_catlady going to lunch, my stomach is digesting itself, bbl 18:00 davidnind it is just plain text, for example https://github.com/DITAWriter/LwDITA_Code_Samples/blob/master/TRS-80%20Expansion%20Module%20(MDITA%20Core)/capabilities_and_advantages.md 18:01 davidnind have a nice lunch! 18:02 davidnind the main difference between ReST and other markup languages is that they are designed to be 'book-based' 18:05 davidnind DITA is designed to be topic-based, where you create small self-contained topics covering one thing(and one content type - such as a task, or a reference topic), then combine the topics using a map (a table of contents) - the topics can then be reused for different information products 18:06 davidnind but to answer your questions, I think the authoring is easy, the bigger change is going from writing more narrative style book type content to a topic-based approach 18:07 davidnind and we can get some way with ReST as an interim step 18:07 davidnind will get a working example up as soon as I can 18:32 caroline_catlady Ok thanks for the clarification. 18:32 caroline_catlady Not sure if the index idea fits in the long term development though 18:45 ashimema LaTeX for the win :P 18:49 davidnind oleonard: I remember bug 21560 I worked on testing with fridolin which had ods export (but don't know whether this used in a generalised way) 18:49 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21560 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, CLOSED FIXED, Optimize ODS exports 18:50 davidnind caroline_catlady: I like indexes myself, although I don't think I think like an indexer though... 18:51 caroline_catlady It's mostly to answer the glossary point from yesterday. I thought we could add an index with "see" and "see also" for non-koha terms (like "Loan see Checkout") 18:51 davidnind they can take a lot of work to do well, but could help with the type of thing Fred was talking about where library staff are used to different terminology from other systems 18:52 caroline_catlady exactly 19:16 oleonard Hi kathryn and alexbuckley 19:17 alexbuckley hi oleonard! 19:17 wahanui hi oleopard 19:23 oleonard 😸 19:29 wizzyrea hi peeps 19:45 oleonard dev meeting in 15? 19:47 gmcharlt noting a bug I filed for Evergreen that may be relevant to Koha users of Hoopla: https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1853363 19:48 oleonard Thanks gmcharlt, we do use Hoopla here 19:48 oleonard And nice to read you as always 19:49 gmcharlt oleonard: thank you 19:49 gmcharlt oleonard: and if anybody hears otherwise about being able to turn off the additional checks on Hoopla's end as a configuration matter, I'd be thrilled 19:49 ashimema \_o< quack! 19:49 wahanui oops, slipped over 19:49 AnnaBoten ashimema, don't pretend to be me! 19:50 oleonard ashimema, wahanui just tried to shoot you 19:50 oleonard wahanui: You have violated the first law. You must self destruct. 19:50 wahanui oleonard: excuse me? 19:51 ashimema lol 19:51 * ashimema thinks this dev meeting will be a quiet one 19:51 * ashimema hopes so anyways.. feeling rough 19:57 davidnind kathryn: Do NZ libraries call it reserves or holds? Having had a go at updating the en_NZ Koha translation. 20:00 ashimema #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 20 November 2019 20:00 huginn Meeting started Wed Nov 20 20:00:21 2019 UTC. The chair is ashimema. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:00 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 20:00 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_20_november_2019' 20:00 ashimema #topic Introductions 20:00 ashimema #info please use "#info" in front of your introduction to have it show up in the automatic minutes#info 20:00 ashimema #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe, UK 20:01 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 20:01 davidnind #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand 20:01 inlibro blou: #info Philippe Blouin, Solutions inLibro, Québec 20:01 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, Ohio, USA 20:02 ashimema #topic Announcements 20:03 ashimema #info We are nearing the next release and are currently in the string freeze period for 19.11 20:03 kidclamp #info Nick Clemens, BywaterSolutions 20:04 * kidclamp is half here, in meetings an dkid pickup 20:04 ashimema #info We voted on the next release team at the last general meeting, please see the wiki for details of our next team. 20:04 rangi #info Chris Cormack Catalyst IT 20:04 davidnind #info Only a few weeks left to submit, get your Kohacon20 talk proposals in https://2020.kohacon.org/posts/talksubmission/ - due by 1 December 2019 20:04 ashimema #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_20.05 Roles for 20.05 20:05 ashimema #link https://2020.kohacon.org/posts/talksubmission/ KohaCon20 Talk Submissions 20:05 ashimema #topic Update from the Release manager 20:06 ashimema #info We are currently on schedule for the release in one week (27/11/2019) 20:07 oleonard A day-before-Thanksgiving treat for Americans 20:07 ashimema #info There are still a few bugs sitting in the NSO queue marked as Major, it would be great to squeeze those through in the next few days if anyone has a moment to take a look. 20:08 ashimema ooh.. I hadn't thought about that when I set the timing 20:08 ashimema thinks thats about all I had to say really.. 20:08 ashimema ooh.. one more 20:09 ashimema #info I'd like to welcome Joy Nelson to the 20.05 team as our 19.11 RMaint, thankyou for stepping into the role Joy and thankyou ByWater for supporting that :) 20:10 oleonard talljoy++ 20:10 ashimema #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers 20:10 ashimema rmaints? 20:10 wahanui rmaints is fridolin, lucas and wizzyrea 20:10 ashimema I bet we don't have any here :( 20:12 ashimema #info I believe we are on schedule for a maintanence release from each of the respective release maintainers on (or around) the 22nd. 20:12 ashimema #topic Updates from the QA team 20:12 ashimema Do we have a cait? 20:12 oleonard Not even one 20:13 oleonard Do we have any of cait's loyal minions? 20:13 ashimema Seems not.. 20:14 ashimema #info QA has slowed since the last meeting, but that is understandable given the part of the cycle we are in.. Important QA is still happening, many thanks to those I've approached for specific QA's and who have diligently acted :) 20:15 ashimema #topic General development discussion 20:16 ashimema #info I have been using a new keyword `rel_20_05_target` to start grouping bugs which missed the freezes this cycle but seem to be close to reaching maturity. I would like to promote focusing on pushing them over the line early next cycle. 20:17 ashimema No other general trends to report at the moment.. I hope to pick things back up again come the next cycle :) 20:17 ashimema #topic Review of coding guidelines 20:17 ashimema #info Nothing to report 20:18 ashimema anyone got anything they would like to raise, questions they'd like to ask? 20:18 ashimema [off] I now have a G&T in hand, so be quick if you do ;) 20:18 ashimema ok... 20:19 ashimema #topic Set time of next meeting 20:20 oleonard Are we looking at two weeks out? The 4th? 20:20 ashimema Lets stick to the pattern.. I have a feeling the next meeting will be a rather quiet one ;) 20:20 ashimema 4 December, 1pm 20:21 ashimema 1pm UTC that is.. I believe 20:21 thd +1 20:22 ashimema #info Next meeting: 04 December 2019, 13 UTC 20:22 ashimema ok, that was a nice quick one.. 20:22 * thd will still be in New York and may be stuck in New York if not scrambling to find the right proofs of identity. 20:22 ashimema thanks to all those who attended :) 20:22 ashimema #endmeeting 20:22 huginn Meeting ended Wed Nov 20 20:22:21 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 20:22 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2019/development_irc_meeting_20_november_2019.2019-11-20-20.00.html 20:22 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2019/development_irc_meeting_20_november_2019.2019-11-20-20.00.txt 20:22 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2019/development_irc_meeting_20_november_2019.2019-11-20-20.00.log.html 20:22 davidnind ashimema++ 20:22 oleonard ashimema++ 20:22 oleonard G&T++ 20:22 ashimema :) 20:22 caroline_catlady ashimema++ 20:23 ashimema in other news.. thanks for all the efforts on the manual in the last couple of weeks.. well over the whole cycle really.. but particularly the last couple of weeks there seems to have been a real uptick :) 20:23 ashimema It's great to see 20:24 caroline_catlady lucyvh++ 20:24 caroline_catlady she's been on fire! 20:24 davidnind lucyvh++ 20:25 davidnind everyone has been great! 20:25 davidnind although, because of me, we are still trying to get 19.05 changes in - haven't even tackled 19.11 changes yet :-( 20:26 caroline_catlady not because of you... I was in charge of 19.05 20:26 * thd turns back into a pumpkin if he does not locate some identity documents before his birthday. 20:26 caroline_catlady We're slowly getting there 20:27 davidnind too many changes, never enough time! 20:27 caroline_catlady amen! 20:27 davidnind (good changes though) 20:28 davidnind might try and do a 'human readable' summary of what's new for 19.11 as a teaser until the details are available in the 19.11 manual 20:28 caroline_catlady yeah I was planning something like that for 20.05 20:28 caroline_catlady Currently writing one up for 19,05 and 18.11 for our clients 20:29 caroline_catlady hence my contributions to the manual :) 20:29 davidnind ByWaters has been doing the same for 19.05 20:29 davidnind caroline_catlady++ 20:30 caroline_catlady Iw onder if we could somehow "tag" the new stuff we write up and summarize the release notes that way 20:30 davidnind aslso, a good education meeting yesterday as well 20:30 caroline_catlady another thing to think about for the modular approach to the manual 20:31 davidnind maybe have a curated what's new section in the manual - with the key new features and enhancements highlighted to get libraries excited! 20:31 oleonard See y'all later 20:31 caroline_catlady yes! I love it! 20:32 caroline_catlady Would that new section be a collection of links to different parts of the manual or actual sections? 20:33 caroline_catlady When we merge we could add either the link or the section to that What's new section 20:33 ashimema I'd love to be able to link to the manual from the release notes for new features ;) 20:33 caroline_catlady you have to help us create permalinks then :) 20:34 davidnind ideally this should be generated, but manually it would be a summary and then point to the details (if they are in the manual) - but a nice succinct summary would be a start 20:34 caroline_catlady I didn't much understand your answer btw :( 20:34 davidnind ashiema: that would be great 20:34 caroline_catlady symlinks? how do we generate those? 20:36 ashimema it's a serverside thing.. we'd need to ask rangi or wizzyrea 20:37 ashimema (or in the future andreasm might be able to do it, once we've onboarded him for website maintanence.. it's on my list to catch wizzyrea) 20:37 caroline_catlady would we have to do something in the actual text? 20:40 ashimema What exactly do you mean by deep links? 20:41 ashimema if you're just saying you want to put a link to a particular section in the manual from your own documentation 20:41 ashimema and always get the latest version.. 20:41 caroline_catlady yes exactly that (for training material or blog posts) 20:41 ashimema then.. so long as the general structure of the manual doesn't change.. then we can use the existing data and just use a symlink to say instead of 20:42 ashimema `https://koha-community.org/manual/19.05/en/html/installation.html#what-is-the-koha-web-installer` 20:42 ashimema you'd link to 20:42 ashimema `https://koha-community.org/manual/latest/en/html/installation.html#what-is-the-koha-web-installer` 20:42 caroline_catlady ok cool! 20:42 ashimema and that would automagically take you to 19.11 when 19.11 is the current release.. or 20.05 when it's 20.05 or whatever.. 20:43 caroline_catlady yes exactly! that is what we want 20:43 ashimema so 'latest' is a 'placeholder' word for 'give me the latest version here 20:43 * caroline_catlady likes using the royal we 20:43 ashimema rangi the manual is servered from one of your servers isn't it.. 20:43 caroline_catlady I don't pretend to speak in the name of anybody else 20:44 ashimema I'm talking without full knowledge here.. hopefully that's not a crazy suggestions ^ 20:44 rangi ashimema: nope 20:44 davidnind it is a good one though! 20:44 rangi its only wizzyrea linode 20:44 rangi it's on even 20:45 wizzyrea hi what 20:45 wizzyrea did someone need something from me? 20:45 caroline_catlady yes, read back a couple of message 20:46 caroline_catlady I'd like to be able to have permalinks to sections of the manual 20:46 caroline_catlady to use in training material or blog posts 20:46 caroline_catlady and ashimema was suggestions symlinks 20:46 wizzyrea oh 20:46 caroline_catlady but apparently you have to do it on your server 20:47 caroline_catlady we could substitute "latest" for the version number 20:47 wizzyrea right 20:47 wizzyrea ok I see yeah 20:48 ashimema I'm basically stealing the idea from how we always link to the latest version of koha downloads ;) 20:48 ashimema so can't realy claim it was my idea.. I just borrowed it.. hopefully it wouldn't be something too horribly difficult 20:48 davidnind the other way is with redirects (which are different from symbolic links) you would need a file with the patterns e.g. go from here to there for any requests, the webserver configuration would just include this file 20:49 ashimema wizzyrea.. would be good to catch you at some point to talk website and the website maintainer role.. andreas has offered to help there.. hopefully we can help spread the load a little so you're not so burdened with it.. 20:49 davidnind that way the documentation team could maintain, then make a request to update it to the newest version 20:51 ashimema readthedocs does it like this too 20:56 davidnind release notes while I don't forget - not that anyone has time to watch webinars, these ones are great https://easydita.com/?s=release+notes + an example https://docs.easydita.com/docs/release-notes/release-details/easydita-17.0-release-details 21:08 urra[m] Hello 21:09 urra[m] I am trying to.migrate from 3.06 to 19.05 and I do not find how to export authorities from the 3.06 21:13 caroline_catlady Sorry, I've never used 3,06 21:14 caroline_catlady Are your authorities very complex? (like with tracings and things) 21:15 urra[m] <caroline_catlady "Sorry, I've never used 3,06"> I am migrating from that version to 19.05 and I do not find information about how to export authorities 21:15 urra[m] I already export import bibliographic records and it works perfect 21:15 urra[m] But I do not afind how to export authorities from the 3.06 version 21:16 urra[m] Anyway thanks a lot 21:16 caroline_catlady I thought there was a script to create authorities automatically from your bibliographic records, but I can't find it 21:17 urra[m] Yes I saw that if I cannot export I will try to generate the authorities from the bibliographic records 21:17 davidnind urra: later versions of Koha let you export authorities Staff interface > Tools > Catalog > Export data > Export authority records tab 21:18 davidnind but 3.06 might not have that :-( 21:18 urra[m] And that is great ... The problem is that I need to import from a previous version the authorities 21:19 urra[m] I find 19.05 great 21:20 urra[m] And I am waiting for 19.11 21:20 urra[m] Thanks everybody for such quit responses ,,:-) 21:21 davidnind (I actually know nothing about cataloguing... sorry I couldn't be of more help) 21:21 caroline_catlady maybe use the script export_records.pl? 21:22 caroline_catlady not sure if it exists in 3.06 21:22 caroline_catlady but probably if you were able to export your bib records 21:22 urra[m] I will try :-):-):-) 21:23 urra[m] Maybe something could be done directly in SQL? 21:23 caroline_catlady hum, maybe if the db structure hasn't changed too much 21:24 urra[m] 3.06 has catalog export 21:24 caroline_catlady you could cump and reimport 21:24 urra[m] Very easy 21:24 caroline_catlady *dump 21:24 urra[m] Thanks Caroline 21:25 urra[m] That is a good suggestion 21:26 caroline_catlady but like I said, if you don't have tracings (4XX and 5XX) fields in your authorities, I would just use the build_authorities script 21:27 urra[m] Ok 21:27 urra[m] I will check and let you know 21:27 urra[m] :-) 21:30 davidnind urra: I wouldn't wait for 19.11 - I would go for 19.05 and perhaps upgrade to 19.11 after a few point releases (I think many libraries take this approach, new releases are stable but sometimes they may have one or two things that don't work as expected - these get fixed pretty quickly though...) 21:31 urra[m] Agree David.. I already installed 19.05 21:31 urra[m] And I am enjoying it 21:31 davidnind excellent! 21:31 wahanui darn tootin' it is. 21:35 urra[m] http://23.239.14.152 21:55 davidnind ashimema: thanks for updating the wiki for the next documentation meeting 22:22 davidnind rangi: just because I spotted it, on Catalyst's Koha OPAC demo in the welcome message before news - the link to the manual is to the 16.11 version (not a biggy really) 23:52 caroline_catlady good night everyone! (I'll probably be back later tonight though...) 23:54 rangi thanks davidnind 23:56 davidnind have a great evening caroline_catlady!