Time Nick Message 20:46 caroline_catlady good weekend everyone! 18:56 cait re 18:41 cait ... laundry bbl 18:41 cait or we coudl update the bug title maybe 18:40 cait caroline_catlady: i tihnk if you them in a different bug, you#d have nicer visibility in the release notes 18:30 caroline_catlady I would put them in different patches, but in the same bug 18:30 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=23353 major, P5 - low, ---, caroline.cyr-la-rose, ASSIGNED , ACQ framework makes fr-CA web installer explode 18:30 caroline_catlady For bug 23353, can I take the opportunity to update the default framework with new labels as per www.marc21.ca or should that be a different bug entirely? 17:08 ashimema To 17:07 cait are still school holidays? 17:06 cait i love fruity and salty :) 17:06 cait ashimema: top! 17:03 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=23466 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , In some catalogs it does not show the "holding" 17:03 ashimema Pass on bug 23466 17:02 * ashimema is making apricot and prune chicken tagine... Mmm 16:56 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=23466 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , In some catalogs it does not show the "holding" 16:56 cait can someone make sense of bug 23466? 16:55 cait i tihnk the first in 10 years - veggie 16:55 * cait is making lasagna 16:55 * cait sends oleonard cookies 15:57 KotH *g* 15:47 oleonard KotH: You grab it from them, we'll grab it from you ;) 15:42 KotH for reference, if anyone else ever needs japanese marc data: https://www.ndl.go.jp/form/en/service/api_application.html 15:41 KotH ashimema: thanks 15:41 ashimema (it sits on standard HTTP ports most of the time.. Z39.50 often doesn't) 15:41 ashimema SRU generally requires a tad less setup KotH 15:30 oleonard There used to be like... five. 15:30 oleonard When did we get so many templates in the OPAC 15:26 oleonard Yay, it's weekend cait! 15:17 KotH hmm.. I can apparently apply for Z39.50 or SRU as service... which one is better? 15:15 KotH YAY! there is an english form where one can apply to access the national diets library's marc data... which you can only find if you navigate through two pages of dense japanese legalese ^^' 15:08 wizzyrea oh boy now that, that's hard work 15:08 wizzyrea that's a technical reason 15:08 wizzyrea hehe yes 15:04 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14862 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Upgrade jQuery from 1.7 to 3.4.1 in OPAC 15:04 oleonard Bug 14862 15:03 oleonard Is "it's hard work" a technical reason? 15:00 ashimema none that I can think of 14:57 wizzyrea but there might be a technical reason not to do that? 14:57 caroline_catlady I like it 14:57 oleonard Makes sense to me 14:57 wizzyrea so at least everything has an effective item type 14:56 wizzyrea if it doesn't have one, we automatically use the default one 14:56 wizzyrea see that's why I think a default one that is always applied, user configurable, would be best 14:56 wizzyrea wine.wul.waseda.ac.jp port 210 might work? 14:54 caroline_catlady right, only when you batch import them 14:54 oleonard caroline_catlady: Unfortunately we don't have checks on imported records to prevent items from being imported without itype 14:54 ashimema the best we came up with so far was a nasty warning in the about page with all the other warnings so we can shame librarians into fixing their catalogues 14:54 wizzyrea that is a really good q KotH 14:53 KotH might anyone here know, where i could get MARC data to japanese books? I don't really want to create my own entries.... 14:53 ashimema I agree 14:53 ashimema in general it does actually fallback from item level to bib level already.. but you are correct.. you can still have an empty bib level 14:53 caroline_catlady I feel like if you have item-level itemtypes syspref set, the item-level itemtype should be mandatory? 14:53 wizzyrea awesome 14:53 ashimema tcohen and I discussed it yesterday 14:52 wizzyrea of course it's not the most urgent bug but it's confidence eroding when people get internal server errors 14:52 caroline_catlady I like the capitalization :) 14:52 wizzyrea i feel like it's gone on long enough, we need to Do Something 14:52 wizzyrea ashimema, do you have any brilliant ideas about fixing that? 14:51 wizzyrea idk 14:51 wizzyrea if you don't have both 14:51 wizzyrea maybe fall back to the bib, and then back to a default? 14:51 wizzyrea but it can still happen. 14:51 wizzyrea it's definitely harder to mess that up 14:50 caroline_catlady yes, but at least in the default framework, the itemtype is mandatory (942$c) 14:50 wizzyrea harder to be blank, but it can still happen 14:49 caroline_catlady blou got tired of it so he changed it so that if the item has no itemtype, it takes the record's itemtype 14:49 wizzyrea it isn't a required field for items 14:49 wizzyrea it's super easy to get an item with no item type 14:49 wizzyrea that's another place 14:49 caroline_catlady We have tons of warning when running rebuild_zebra for some reason 14:49 wizzyrea with the option to set any others later in the interface 14:49 wizzyrea say, the one you create with the onboarder 14:48 oleonard This issue discriminates against Highlander patrons who have no expiration date 14:48 wizzyrea to have a default item type 14:48 wizzyrea would it make sense 14:48 wizzyrea i was thinking about how to solve this 14:48 wizzyrea (it also chokes on borrowers with no expiry, or holds with no expiry, but that's a different problem) 14:48 ashimema well.. not specifically the holds queue.. but a general.. wtf.. how can an item not have any effective_itemtype 14:47 wizzyrea the holds to pickup gives ISE when it has one 14:47 ashimema I've been grappling with that issue of late 14:47 ashimema hahahaha.. 14:47 wizzyrea for example the hold queue spits them out as warnings 14:47 wizzyrea what do you all think about this problem of items that have no itemtype 14:47 wizzyrea bye cait 14:46 caroline_catlady bye! 14:46 cait bye all! 14:45 cait ok, leaving for the weekend 14:45 cait there shoudl be 14:45 oleonard (I don't think there is actually a sasquatch emoji) 14:45 cait :) 14:45 cait something to investigate another time 14:45 cait https://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/ThirdPartySmileyThemes 14:45 cait not sure which woudl be the right one 14:45 cait i use pidgin there is tons of themes 14:45 cait but i see it shoudl be a sasquatch 14:45 cait that prints as text 14:44 oleonard :sasquatch: 14:44 wizzyrea weeeird 14:44 wizzyrea :strawberry: 14:44 cait yours 14:44 wizzyrea or oleonard's horse 14:44 wizzyrea my horse? 14:44 wizzyrea hah 14:44 wizzyrea wot 14:44 cait i can see the horse 14:44 wizzyrea :horse: 14:44 wizzyrea hehe 14:43 oleonard ::invisible strawberry:: 14:43 wizzyrea hexchat at least doesn't translate those 14:43 wizzyrea nope 14:43 cait you couldn't see the strawberry? 14:43 cait maybe iam jsu missing some now 14:43 cait i can see yous wizzyrea 14:43 wizzyrea hexchat shows them and you can paste them in 14:43 wizzyrea :( 14:43 wizzyrea no 14:42 cait :strawberry:? 14:42 cait hm no tworking yet 14:42 oleonard 🎠14:42 cait oleonard: can you emoji me please? 14:41 eythian It's a font thing, it should just work if you have a font with that character. 14:34 cait so i guess you will have to describe for me for now... 14:34 cait it's not where it was before windows 10... (new os since begining of the week) 14:33 cait pidgin could - but i can't find the folder where i'd have tput it 14:20 oleonard It should take precedence over all other tasks 14:18 cait oleonard: maybe i have to check configuration 14:18 oleonard Chatzilla doesn't have a tool for inserting them but at least I can paste them in and see them 14:18 cait :) 14:17 * caroline_catlady wonders if hexchat has an emoji support plugin 14:16 * oleonard buys cait emoji support in her IRC client for Christmas 14:02 cait :) 13:49 oleonard <thumbs-up.png> 13:48 cait i hope that's a nice square thing :) 13:47 oleonard 👠13:45 cait thx oleonard++! 13:39 magnuse have fun #koha 13:34 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #355: FIXED in 41 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/355/ 13:34 wahanui Congratulations! 13:34 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 13:30 oleonard Hi wizzyrea 13:28 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #331: FIXED in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/331/ 13:28 wahanui Congratulations! 13:28 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 13:18 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #846: FIXED in 28 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/846/ 13:18 wahanui Congratulations! 13:18 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 13:07 oleonard Hi caroline_catlady 13:07 caroline_catlady good morning! 12:52 * ashimema conjecture 12:52 ashimema hmm.. I bet koha-gitify's last change was before koha-shell really got used widely.. bet it doesn't do much to change that at all 12:49 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 23445: (RM follow-up) Missing filter <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7e4f25e088305d9dd299bbfaa33b6140137c2f01> 12:48 magnuse not running through koha-shell, but setting KOHA_CONF and PERL5LIB made the error go away 12:45 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #354: STILL UNSTABLE in 41 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/354/ 12:44 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #845: STILL UNSTABLE in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/845/ 12:43 magnuse in both cases i run the script with ...PERL5LIB=/home/kohaadmin/kohaclone/ /usr/bin/perl... 12:43 magnuse oops, the script seems to run ok from the command line, but not from cron 12:42 magnuse 18.11.04 to be precise 12:41 wahanui Hmm. No matches for that, magnuse. 12:41 magnuse but there is no DuplicateObject.pm in /home/kohaadmin/kohaclone/Koha/Exceptions/ 12:41 magnuse /home/kohaadmin/kohaclone/Koha/Exceptions.pm does mention Koha::Exceptions::DuplicateObject 12:39 ashimema could be a backport error 12:39 ashimema 18.11.x.. you already said 12:39 wahanui i guess version is very stable and translation is great 12:39 ashimema version? 12:39 ashimema or.. we have a bug where that module is missing.. 12:39 ashimema feels like PERL5LIB doesnt know where lib/Koha is 12:38 magnuse nope, a gitified production instance 12:37 oleonard Hush wahanui 12:37 wahanui devbox is probably working fine btw :) 12:37 cait devbox? 12:34 magnuse all i try to do is "use C4::Context;" 12:34 magnuse Can't locate Koha/Exceptions/DuplicateObject.pm 12:34 magnuse http://paste.koha-community.org/7281 12:34 magnuse trying to run a cronjob on a gitified 18.11.x i get this error: 12:22 eythian g'day oleopard 12:21 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #330: UNSTABLE in 29 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/330/ 12:16 oleonard 👻 12:07 cait boo 12:07 ashimema Booo 12:05 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #844: UNSTABLE in 41 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/844/ 12:04 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #353: UNSTABLE in 41 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/353/ 11:46 magnuse kia ora oleonard 11:39 wahanui hi oleopard 11:39 cait hi oleonard! 11:38 oleonard Hi folks 11:33 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 23324: Add an ISBN normalization routine <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3d15819443bd114a5e61a7a9ee947a3307d39b8f> 11:33 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 23324: (QA follow-up) Use existing NormalizeISBN function <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5104d1eae67db94bebb05b2e9f1817685649b224> 11:33 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 23324: (QA follow-up) Typo and remove unneeded use statement <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b48e2d5e7a41511dccadb01808e1ece259c5f0b9> 11:23 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22799: Avoiding batch item modification case sensitivity when entering barcodes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2071fa4aca27f6748f32fd62037a203df2347141> 11:23 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22830: correct for loop in value_builder/unimarc_field_4XX.pl value_builder <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=669864f4b0cb16fc9a8566bffdeb42d7875fd8aa> 11:23 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 23242: Fix insert of Z3950 servers with strict SQL modes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a9c730244768ea355004e821d5be35dc2e617840> 11:23 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 23445: Make loan period unit translatable fixing editing issue <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=16789351efd1f7dca88ed0797208ba5723922b62> 11:23 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 23446: Fix display issue in serials navigation <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d5152dfcdf9ba63fd04d0dc15f34c851e5c85836> 11:23 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 23455: Patron card printing from Patron lists is broken <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a57aea15a7f86e71bdfb6d6540aed18b2702b226> 11:23 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 23445: (RM follow-up) Add warning for unexpected lengthunit <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1aae63606caeb389a40bd644b1f9e30917325573> 09:35 marcelr zit niet zo te mokken met die mok 09:34 marcelr yeah thats yet another meaning 09:32 eythian met thee? 09:31 marcelr you know mokken, eythian ;) 09:30 ashimema thanks for the advice though.. always helpfull to know.. even if it's that everyone else is just in the same boat of pain 09:30 ashimema took me ages to mock everything I needed for he shibboleth tests 09:30 ashimema mocking is good but also the most tedious to impliment I find 09:29 ashimema yeah.. I think we've got a mix of all of those now 09:29 eythian that's probably the best one where you can 09:29 eythian Also mocking the database so it doesn't really exist. 09:29 ashimema mm. probably 09:29 eythian I've never seen a good solution. Common ways are that the test rolls back its changes as it goes (usually leaves detritus around when the test fails), or having a random element to the data for each test so that leaving bits behind doesn't matter (not always possible.) 09:29 marcelr iirc bit of a workaround ? 09:29 ashimema tcohen gave it a good go at some point I'm sure. 09:29 ashimema I thought we'd resolved most of the nested transactions stuff.. 09:28 ashimema yup 09:28 marcelr yeah i was thinking about problems with nested transactions we have in some tests; but this is a selenium like approach 09:27 ashimema I've gone for a quick and dirty dump at beggining then reload at the end.. (we're on different connections for the integration tests of course so can't just use DB transactions) 09:26 ashimema or eythian for that matter.. any thoughts on the best way to make an integration test reset the DB to it's original state after the tests have run? 09:25 ashimema I'd be really interested if you have any better ideas 09:25 ashimema do you understand the DB rollback issue now marcelr? 09:21 eythian always 09:21 eythian heh 09:21 marcelr still working on regexes? 09:20 eythian no sea: <|-(((((-< (it's supposed to be a fish skeleton) 09:20 marcelr long time 09:20 eythian hoi marcelr 09:20 marcelr hi eythian 09:19 eythian hi 09:17 ashimema 'tis why we have qa ;) 09:17 marcelr maybe he just followed your advice 09:17 ashimema nobodies perfect though 09:17 ashimema :( 09:17 ashimema surprised Joubu also misread it 09:16 marcelr thx 09:16 * ashimema is running the tests again 09:16 ashimema That's why I didn't revert it.. I asked someone else to check I'd read it right ;) 09:14 marcelr it is a bit arbitrary if it could lift along as qa follow-up but reverting it on the base of wrong assumption is hard too :) 09:13 marcelr even small changes in uri etc 09:13 marcelr i remember testing these variations 09:12 ashimema poop.. yuo're right.. I missed that you'd assign uri at the beggining 09:11 * ashimema double checks he read the patch right 09:11 marcelr yeah we do 09:10 cait hm uris can be on item and record level - need to catch both 09:06 marcelr we are definitely not searching for just a biblionumber 09:06 marcelr we are searching for uri AND bibllionumber OR uri AND itemnumber 09:05 marcelr my $search_crit = { uri => $uri }; 09:05 marcelr ashimema: i think you are wrong about tracklinks 09:03 marcelr heh 09:03 cait that makes you a little scary :) 09:03 marcelr i love them ;) 09:03 cait your skills with date/time calculations 09:03 marcelr date foo ? 09:02 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15260 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, andrew.isherwood, Signed Off , Option for extended loan with useDaysMode 09:02 cait marcelr: not sure how strong your date foo is.. but i've been eying bug 15260 and got very confused about it all 08:59 cait marcelr++ 08:59 cait and thx for QA :) 08:59 marcelr :) 08:59 cait sorry for so many words 08:58 marcelr ok cait i wont block that 08:53 cait not sure i am best at explainign today 08:51 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=23445 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Failed QA , Loan period unit in circulation rules is untranslatable causing problems one editing rules 08:51 cait marcelr: commented on bug 23445 08:48 ashimema ouch.. good spot on that last one 08:45 cait it's probably not as bad as it sounds, apart from the last ponit 08:45 ashimema huginn`` 08:45 ashimema it was a reply to you're `trying to figure out how to go about testing bug 20307 08:45 cait waiting for Joubu now :) 08:45 cait oh 08:45 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20307 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Failed QA , Language overlay for authorized values 08:45 cait and I AM NOT SCARY 08:45 ashimema bug 20307 your testing 08:45 cait what was before that? :) 08:45 cait (10:37:52) ashimema: sounds scary cait.. I tested it as best I could.. seemed to work 08:44 wahanui rumour has it which one is that 08:44 ashimema huh.. which one what? 08:44 cait so it sounds like cait is scary again... 08:44 cait sorry, i might be missing the first bit of conversation 08:44 wahanui which one is, like, that 08:44 cait ashimema: which one? 08:43 ashimema Why of why is `DateTime->now()->delta_ms(DateTime->now()->add( hours => 4 ) = DateTime::Duration->new( hours => 3, minutes => 59, seconds => 15 );`! 08:38 ashimema always a place that scares me.. :( 08:38 * ashimema is currently trying to understand DateTime.. 08:38 ashimema I think it's minimally intrusive as a whole 08:38 ashimema horrible as it sounds.. 08:38 ashimema it's probably one to just do a few tests on.. and then throw it in and see if anytihng drops out over the next few months 08:37 ashimema sounds scary cait.. I tested it as best I could.. seemed to work 08:37 ashimema mornin' 'koha 05:59 cait but i guess just starting somewhere will be good for the half hour i have right now :) 05:59 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20307 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Language overlay for authorized values 05:59 cait trying to figure out how to go about testing bug 20307 05:45 cait hi marcel! 05:44 marcelr hi cait 05:28 marcelr hi #koha