Time  Nick         Message
03:12 Jeddah       Sir i would like to ask po how we can avail KOHA po?
03:12 Jeddah       thank you po.
03:12 Jeddah       Our school is open last year so I would like to use KOHA po sana.
06:34 marcelr      hi #koha
06:38 magnuse      \o/
06:38 magnuse      @seen drojf
06:38 huginn`      magnuse: drojf was last seen in #koha 23 weeks, 1 day, 11 hours, 23 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <drojf> -s
06:40 reiveune     hello
06:40 wahanui      que tal, reiveune
06:58 alex_a       Bonjour
07:40 Archie^      The overdues module really takes a LOT of time to load :/
07:42 ashimema     overdues module.. what do you mean?
07:43 ashimema     `/cgi-bin/koha/circ/overdue.pl`
07:43 ashimema     loads almost instantly for me
07:44 calire       anyone know why I would get 'fatal: read error: Connection reset by peer when doing a git pull on master?
07:45 ashimema     it can be a transient issue dependant on git server load ocassionally
07:45 ashimema     I'd just try again in a few minutes
07:45 Archie^      Circulation -> overdues. I'm pressing it and it loads forever
07:45 calire       ashimema: thanks
07:46 ashimema     if you're really stuck try a mirror
07:46 ashimema     ;)
07:47 calire       that is above my knowledge leves ;)
07:47 ashimema     I would have suggested the gitlab one.. but it's failing to mirror at the moment :(
07:47 calire       *level
07:49 ashimema     rangi recommends https://repo.or.cz/koha.git/
07:53 ashimema     so.. I have the followup for my setup
07:57 ashimema     https://paste.debian.net/1082294/
07:57 ashimema     calire: ^
07:57 ashimema     actually, I re-wrote what I have just for you... as I have loads of remotes setup which you wouldn't need
07:58 ashimema     but the basic idea hold.. I use the 'lower traffic mirror' for git pulls and assign that as 'origin'.. and I have 'upstream' setup to the community hosted site just in case the mirror goes down (and because as rmaint I 'push' to upstream)
07:59 Archie^      Ya i'm getting Proxy Error every time i'm trying to execute overdues from circulation module
07:59 calire       ashimema thanks, I'll take a look :)
08:01 ashimema     https://paste.debian.net/1082295/ is better (I had a typo in the original paste, sorry)
09:54 paxed        hm. where's the data for biblio-table inserted?
10:38 ashimema     @later tell wizzyrea I found the error in bug 22610.. it's the confusing nature of the sip_emulator parameters ;)
10:38 huginn`      ashimema: The operation succeeded.
10:42 Archie_      ok so are you telling me there is NO way to modify how and where search works?
10:42 Archie_      we are getting constant feedback from librarians that they don't need to see items in libraries on the other side of the country
10:44 Archie_      so the question is: how "modifyable" is koha in a sense that, can i do it by plugin or do i need to modify search itself ?
10:47 ashimema     have you not already been given a raft of answers for this Archie_
10:48 Archie_      all i got from magnuse  that i can separate it on OPAC side and thats about it
10:48 Archie_      so i'm not really sure how plugins work in koha and what are the restrictions / possabilities here
10:50 ashimema     Koha is open source.. you can contribute to it either directly or through plugins.. if the plugin system isn't extensive enough for you're needs you can submit core patches to extend the plugin hooks easily enough too
10:51 magnuse      plugin capabilities are not well documented, i'm afraid, but you can get an idea by looking at this sample plugin: https://github.com/bywatersolutions/koha-plugin-kitchen-sink/blob/master/Koha/Plugin/Com/ByWaterSolutions/KitchenSink.pm no plugin-capabilities for search yet, though
10:52 magnuse      does the IndependentBranches syspref affect search? i don't remember...
10:52 ashimema     I am not a trainer, I am a developer and as such I haven't given you much advice there as I'm not in possession of that information without going and reading the manual or the code to figure it out.. I'm pretty confident you can limit searches to holding branches in both opac and staff clients though
10:53 ashimema     I'm sure I've done it for clients in the past, but I can't remember how
10:54 Archie_      i'm a project manager so it's difficult for me to get on the technical side
10:56 ashimema     perhaps you should investigate the independantBranches preferences
10:56 ashimema     is this a big consortia you're managing.. sounds like it
10:56 ashimema     if your talking about libraries the other side of the country
10:59 Archie_      well we are switching all of the libraries of the country to Koha
10:59 ashimema     one massive install?
10:59 Archie_      no, it's gonna be one by one
10:59 Archie_      but right now librarians have access to our demo
10:59 Archie_      with some data. So they are giving us feedback what should be different and what they don't understand
10:59 ashimema     So where is the problem?
10:59 ashimema     I don't understand
10:59 ashimema     we are getting constant feedback from librarians that they don't need to see items in libraries on the other side of the country
11:00 ashimema     either you've got all the libraries on one massive system and as such you're seeing items from all over the place or you haven't
11:00 magnuse      yeah, if there will be one library per instance, the search is a non-issue
11:00 Archie_      we are trying to do all of that in one instance
11:00 Archie_      since that is the prefferable way
11:02 ashimema     it sounds like a massive project to me.. I would highly suggest hiring a company to help you impliment it.. Koha is open source and gpl (meaning you don't have to pay for a lisence) but it's not a simple point a click piece of software (out of necessity.. libraries of complex entities with varying needs).. support companies exist to learn all the details of the software and advice you on it's use.
11:03 Archie_      do you have any suggestion for such companies?
11:03 ashimema     we've spent years building up that knowledge and contributing to the ecosystem.. as much as I might like to 'just hand it all over' to you free of charge it would still take me years to do so for you to get the experience we have..
11:03 marcelr      Archie_: which country is switiching to Koha ?
11:03 ashimema     Where in the world are you?
11:03 marcelr      hmm
11:03 Archie_      Latvia
11:04 marcelr      ok
11:04 marcelr      nice
11:05 ashimema     hope I wasn't coming accross as rude there.. I just wanted to make sure you weren't getting frustrated.. the main take away is "Koha's big, don't expect to grasp everything overnight"
11:06 magnuse      on the opac side it is possible to create separate opacs for each library, i think this is a pretty good description of how to do it: https://subscription.packtpub.com/book/web_development/9781849510820/13/ch13lvl1sec74/multiple-opac-interfaces
11:06 ashimema     https://koha-community.org/support/paid-support/continent/ is a reasonable start for looking for a support company
11:07 magnuse      there is also the SearchMyLibraryFirst syspref
11:08 Archie_      right, gonna look into that support site ;) thanks magnuse
11:09 ashimema     as for personal recommendations (I work for PTFS-Europe based in the UK.. so I'll let anyone else here comment on us).. I'd say Biblibre (Based in france) are usually a good bet, Catalyst (New Zealand - perhaps a little far for you), Libriotech (That's magnuse in Norway), ByWater Solutions (Based in the USA) are some of the most active here and as such I know of their solid reputations.
11:10 magnuse      PTFS-Europe has a good reputation too, ashimema is just being (very) modest :-)
11:10 ashimema     They also probably command some of the higher prices though as they're the bigger outfits.. and that's totally my opinion.. there are other great providers on that list... I've dealt with many of them over the years and haven't really had any terrible experiences so far
11:11 Archie_      Alright, sounds like a good idea to hire some consultation agency
11:11 magnuse      yeah, Koha is a pretty extensive piece of software
11:12 ashimema     you are always welcome to ask questions here of course.. just we're all fairly busy allot of the time and we're a reduced audience.. it's also worth asking on the mailing lists as that often reaches a larger audience.. even if the response isn't so immediate ;)
11:13 Archie_      magnuse: for a open source, yeah it is
11:16 ashimema     Sweden have a great and active users group too, they may be interesting to talk too about such a project aswell :)
11:18 Archie_      sweden is SUPER expensive tho ;D
11:19 Archie_      literally just went to vacation there.
11:33 * oleonard   waves
11:33 Archie_      hi oleonard
11:33 wahanui      hi oleopard
11:44 cait         hi oleonard!
11:44 wahanui      hi oleopard
11:49 eythian      hi
11:49 wahanui      privet, eythian
11:50 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.11_D8 build #81: FAILURE in 8.7 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.11_D8/81/
11:50 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.11_D8 build #82: STILL FAILING in 8.1 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.11_D8/82/
12:08 magnuse      anyone familiar with the galadriel plugin from bywater around? we are trying to change the font (family). the selected font shows for a second, then the default font from opac_18.1105000.css "takes over"
12:13 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.11_D9 build #83: SUCCESS in 24 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.11_D9/83/
12:15 oleonard     magnuse: I would say that's a bug in the plugin. In order to override the dynamically-loaded font it has to be specific: ".fonts-loaded body { 'Arima Madurai' }"
12:29 magnuse      oleonard: what do you mean by "specific"?
12:29 oleonard     A more specific CSS selector
12:29 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.11_U18 build #77: SUCCESS in 33 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.11_U18/77/
12:34 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
12:34 wahanui      Congratulations!
12:34 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.11_D8 build #83: FIXED in 39 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.11_D8/83/
12:35 eythian      a browser's debug tools are often useful for telling where a CSS rule is that's controlling something.
12:46 magnuse      yeah, i think we figured out what is happening
12:47 magnuse      just wondering if there is something we are missing, or if it is a bug
12:50 oleonard     magnuse: The plugin should be updated to inject different CSS so that it will correctly override the default
12:54 magnuse      Petter will report it as an issue on github
13:38 tcohen       morning al
13:38 oleonard     Hi tcohen
14:00 wizzyrea     hi
14:00 wahanui      salut, wizzyrea
14:01 davidnind    hi wizzyrea
14:01 davidnind    no caroline_catlady yet:-(
14:01 luchvh       Hi all
14:02 davidnind    hi luchvh and AndyBoze!
14:02 AndyBoze     Hello!
14:03 davidnind    Welcome on board the documentation team AndyBoze, thanks for intro to the docs list!
14:03 AndyBoze     Glad to be here.
14:04 davidnind    #startmeeting  Documentation IRC meeting 9 May 2019
14:04 huginn`      Meeting started Thu May  9 14:04:04 2019 UTC.  The chair is davidnind. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
14:04 huginn`      Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
14:04 huginn`      The meeting name has been set to 'documentation_irc_meeting_9_may_2019'
14:04 davidnind    #topic Introductions
14:04 davidnind    #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand
14:05 davidnind    apologies if I'm a little slow, not that great at chairing meetings!
14:05 luchvh       #info Lucy Vaux-Harvey, PTFS Europe
14:05 AndyBoze     #info Andy Boze, University of Notre Dame, Indiana, USA
14:08 davidnind    Looks like it is just us!
14:08 davidnind    #topic Action points
14:08 ashimema     hello
14:08 wahanui      hey, ashimema
14:08 ashimema     #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe
14:09 davidnind    Hi ashimema!
14:09 ashimema     no Caroline?
14:09 ashimema     would appear not
14:09 davidnind    Not yet, so I started without her...
14:10 ashimema     okies
14:11 davidnind    Just a quick update on my action points, feel free to ask any questions
14:11 cait         sorry - just saw a ton of pm - have to run to catch a bus, will be back tonight :)
14:12 cait         oh oops meeting :(
14:12 davidnind    #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Documentation_IRC_meeting_9_May_2019
14:13 davidnind    Automated screen capture will probably take a little longer to get working
14:13 ashimema     do you think perhaps for the next cycle it might be ready?
14:13 ashimema     anything we can do at kohacon to help get it working?
14:14 * ashimema   wants to have an even more amazing manual to 19.11 ;)
14:14 davidnind    I hope I can get it ready, will still require some manual screenshots
14:15 davidnind    At kohacon would be great if anyone has got any experience with selenium tests and the robot framework
14:15 * ashimema   is somewhat out of the loop manual wise (too many fingers in too many pies already).. but is happy to help grab dev helpers where needed.. I know rangi is already looking into translation a bit.
14:15 ashimema     are you around for the workshops?
14:15 davidnind    Repository is here https://gitlab.com/davidnind/koha-automated-screenshots
14:15 wahanui      i already had it that way, davidnind.
14:15 ashimema     I'm sure we could find a moment to get some intersted expertise involved
14:16 ashimema     cool, thanks
14:16 davidnind    I will be around for the workshops, so is something we could work on
14:17 davidnind    I have the basics working for the easy screenshots, so it is initially just adding definitions for each screenshot to capture
14:18 davidnind    ashimema: that would great, I just general google things and make them up as I go along!
14:18 ashimema     sounds great
14:18 ashimema     more collaboration is my mantra at the moment ;)
14:18 davidnind    Is anyone else on the documentation team going to kohacon?
14:18 ashimema     I believe caroline is
14:19 ashimema     and lucy ^
14:19 luchvh       I'm there for the first 2 days but not the workshops
14:19 davidnind    great!
14:19 luchvh       Hoping to get to meet some doc team members though
14:21 davidnind    I think most of us will be there, so that will be great! As well as rangi and cait and others who have being involved/still involved and have a keen interest in having good documentation.
14:22 luchvh       Sounds good!
14:22 davidnind    Style/content development guide (which incorporates workflow a-z): working on an outline, but not much further to report on this one :-(
14:23 davidnind    Last meeting there was an idea of having a doc sprint day, similar to previous bug squashing day
14:24 davidnind    Does anyone have any thoughts on that?
14:24 davidnind    Main thing is finding a suitable time, or just run over a 24 hour period.
14:25 ashimema     sounds like a good idea to me
14:25 luchvh       It's not something I've done before but happy to be involved
14:25 ashimema     though yeah, as you say, finding a suitable moment is key
14:26 ashimema     I think really it's just a case of announce a 'date' and promote it'
14:26 AndyBoze     I'd be happy to participate.
14:26 davidnind    I'll send a proposed date(s) to the mailing list, and we can see how it goes as an experiment!
14:26 ashimema     and rather than limiting it to a 24 hour period, let it run for the whole 'day' worldwide (to try and catch multiple continents.. I think that's usually how it works for bug squashing events
14:27 wizzyrea     it is
14:27 wizzyrea     start it at midnight kiribati, end midnight what is it, hawaii time?
14:28 ashimema     the advantage for bug squashing is we have leaderboards and things ready to go (and the dashboard).. It would be great to get that sort of thing for documentation pull requests.. gamigication of submissions and all that
14:28 davidnind    good idea!
14:29 wizzyrea     https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-dashboard
14:29 wizzyrea     if someone enterprising wanted to add things
14:29 davidnind    #info David to organise documentation bug squashing day, most likely after kohacon
14:30 davidnind    wizzyrea++
14:30 davidnind    would be good to have a dashboard
14:30 ashimema     haha.. it's been on my list to add docs pull requests to that for ages ;)
14:31 luchvh       So how does it work?  Is there a list of 'to dos' that we would work from?
14:32 davidnind    I guess we could create  a list of suggested tasks to focus (small, medium and large) and then see how we go
14:32 ashimema     I think that would need to be the case yes.. I would suggest a page be created of taigia (if that's what you guys are most familier with still) with such a list..
14:32 ashimema     or gitlab issues works well if not
14:32 ashimema     perfect
14:32 ashimema     there is also of course the keywords in bugzilla
14:33 ashimema     that's a list I'm constantly adding to and will continue to add to as RM
14:33 davidnind    I don't think we are short of tasks for the documentation!
14:33 luchvh       Agreed!!
14:34 davidnind    caroline (and I guess me now) keeps on eye on bugzilla doc bugs and adds them to the Taiga.io list
14:34 ashimema     https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=In%20Discussion&bug_status=Needs%20Signoff&bug_status=Signed%20Off&bug_status=Passed%20QA&bug_status=Pushed%20for%20QA&bug_status=Failed%20QA&bug_status=Patch%20doesn%27t%20apply&bug_status=Pushed%20by%20Module%20Maintainer&bug_status=Pushed%20to%20Master&bug_status=Pushed%20to%20Stable&bug_status=RESOLVED
14:34 ashimema     &bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=CLOSED&bug_status=BLOCKED&f1=keywords&keywords=Manual%2C%20&keywords_type=allwords&list_id=281380&o1=allwords&query_format=advanced
14:35 * ashimema   still isn't entirely sure of the procss for removing that 'Manual' keyword once something has been written
14:36 davidnind    not sure either, I guess we ca just remove it once the work is done
14:36 ashimema     and at what point during a bugs life the Manual keyword should be added..
14:36 ashimema     I may even require an existing pull-request for some bugs before I'll merge them as RM.. I don't like new features going in entirely undocumented.. makes them really hard to discover for new users.
14:37 luchvh       I must admit I find it difficult to work what needs doing
14:37 ashimema     that doesn't mean you guys are responsible for such submissions btw.. more I want the original devs to get on board with documenting what they're submitting (whether that's themselves or them grabbing someone from their company to help)
14:38 davidnind    with my documentation hat on, I would say a bug isn't finished until the docs are done ;-)
14:38 ashimema     Style/content development guide (which incorporates workflow a-z): working on an outline, but not much further to report on this one :-(
14:38 ashimema     so that does seem to be a bit of a limiting factor for contributions still then
14:39 davidnind    luchvh: it is a bit overwhelming at the moment I think
14:39 ashimema     well.. I'm happy to encourage such a thing next cycle :)
14:39 davidnind    #info Style/content development guide (which incorporates workflow a-z): working on an outline, but not much further to report on
14:40 davidnind    feels guilty about that, but will make it a priority, will also help new and potential contributors
14:41 davidnind    at the moment we have https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Editing_the_Koha_Manual
14:42 davidnind    Last year/the year before we ran a video conference session to work through the workflow, do you think this is something we should do again?
14:42 luchvh       There is lots of good info on there - enough to get me started with some simple updates.
14:42 ashimema     I get he feeling it's mostly 'where to pull work from' that's still confusing people..
14:43 ashimema     the 'how to do the work' bit is fairly good now in my opinion
14:43 luchvh       It would definitely be useful to have a session I think
14:43 ashimema     always can be improved.. but it's certainly not terrible ;)
14:44 davidnind    totally agree ashimema and luchvh!
14:44 davidnind    #info look at having a general video session on the workflow for new contributors
14:45 davidnind    #topic What's been done so far
14:46 davidnind    I have nothing to report, there have been a few merges including some changes from luchvh!
14:47 ashimema     There is a documentation workshop at kohacon of course ;)
14:47 luchvh       I've submitted a few really small changes
14:47 davidnind    luchvh++
14:47 luchvh       nothing of any substance!
14:49 luchvh       I guess I'm OK just carrying on with that?
14:51 luchvh       It's just bits I come across myself really - as I've said I'm not 100% sure what 'should' be tackled from taiga etc
14:51 davidnind    more than happy, under the priorities for 19.05 item I'd like to come up with a priorities list
14:51 Nemo_bis     https://www.hanken.fi/en/news/modular-based-information-environment-line-sustainable-solutions
14:52 davidnind    Nemo_bis++
14:52 davidnind    Since we are running out of time, maybe we can just skip to the priorities for 19.05 release
14:53 davidnind    #topic Next steps
14:54 davidnind    For priorities I think there are new features and release notes
14:55 davidnind    Draft release notes are here: https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-release-notes/blob/master/release_notes_18_12_00.md
14:57 davidnind    Where there are no text update needed on bugzilla for 'Text to go in release notes' field (on right hand side), for example: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15774
14:57 huginn`      Bug 15774: new feature, P5 - low, ---, nick, RESOLVED FIXED, Additional fields for baskets
14:58 davidnind    For new features caroline has added all the bugs to Taiga.io task list https://tree.taiga.io/project/ldjamison-kohadocs-1805/
14:59 davidnind    So maybe assign any of these to yourself that you want to work on
14:59 davidnind    AndyBoze and luchvh: do you have access to Taiga.io?
15:00 luchvh       Yes I do, Caroline helped me to get set-up
15:00 AndyBoze     I haven't gotten an account yet but will do.
15:00 davidnind    Excellent!
15:00 wahanui      darn tootin' it is.
15:01 luchvh       I can see lots of items added - that's great
15:01 davidnind    got to love wahanui!
15:02 davidnind    Does anyone have any particular things they want to work on?
15:03 davidnind    I'm keen to get something added for the new mana feature https://tree.taiga.io/project/ldjamison-kohadocs-1805/us/819
15:04 davidnind    If it would help I can create a small priority list and send it to the list
15:04 ashimema     ++
15:05 davidnind    #info David to send a priority list to the mailing list
15:05 ashimema     I've been poking Bywater to document the new daily/hourly rental charges feature ever since it passed QA.. but I don't think they've gotten to it yet.. that might be a good one for someone to pick up
15:06 davidnind    #info Focus is on release note descriptions and new features for 19.05
15:06 ashimema     :)
15:06 davidnind    That sounds like a good one to add!
15:06 davidnind    #topic Next meeting
15:07 davidnind    Does this time suit you lucyvh and AndyBoze?
15:08 davidnind    Can make early or later
15:08 AndyBoze     Yes, this time should generally work for me.
15:08 luchvh       It's right on school pick-up time for me i'm afraid
15:08 luchvh       But I'm usually out for 5/10 mins
15:09 luchvh       Happy to stick with this time if it suits others
15:09 davidnind    Could make it an hour earlier, would that work better? I'm pretty flexible.
15:11 luchvh       Yes, would be good if others don't mind
15:11 AndyBoze     It would depend on the day of the month. I occasionally have a meeting on Thursday the hour prior to this.
15:12 davidnind    Would normally be the first Thursday of the month, the day after the General IRC meeting
15:12 davidnind    But we can move it around to suit if required
15:13 davidnind    Suggested time for next meeting 6 June 13:00 UTC https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Koha+Documentation+IRC+Meeting&iso=20190606T1300
15:14 AndyBoze     I think Thursday will be OK. I checked a couple of months out and my Thursday meeting won't conflict with this.
15:14 davidnind    Excellent!
15:14 wahanui      darn tootin' it is.
15:14 davidnind    #info Next Documentation IRC meeting 6 June 2019 13:00 UTC
15:14 luchvh       Great!
15:14 davidnind    Anything else for today (and apologies for going over!)
15:14 ashimema     well done guys
15:15 luchvh       Thanks David
15:15 davidnind    #endmeeting
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15:16 oleonard     documentation_team++
15:16 davidnind    Thanks everyone for putting up with me!
15:16 davidnind    luchvh++
15:16 davidnind    AndyBoze++
15:16 davidnind    ashimema++
15:17 ashimema     davidnind++ #thanks for running the meeting :)
15:17 davidnind    AndyBoze: welcome to the documentation team, hope it is not too overwhelming at this stage!
15:17 AndyBoze     I'm looking forward to working with everyone! :-)
15:18 luchvh       AndyBoze++
15:20 davidnind    I guess start with some easy things first, and go from there!
15:20 AndyBoze     Sounds like a plan.
15:21 davidnind    I'll try and hang out  a bit more on IRC, but otherwise an email to the list or me directly should work as well.
15:23 AndyBoze     I just created a taiga.io account and can access the KohaDocs project. What do I need to do to get added to the team?
15:25 davidnind    AndyBoze: just trying to figure that out, will just be a sec
15:28 AndyBoze     davidnind: My taiga.io user name is andybozend if you need that.
15:34 davidnind    Thanks AndyBoze, looks like I don't have access to add a new member. Will ask caroline_catlady to give you access - you should get a message when you're added
15:34 AndyBoze     Great, thanks!
15:36 davidnind    @later caroline_catlady: Could you add AndyBoze as a project member on taiga? Username is andybozend. Thanks!
15:36 huginn`      davidnind: downloading the Perl source
15:37 davidnind    @later tell caroline_catlady Could you add AndyBoze as a project member on taiga? Username is andybozend. Thanks!
15:37 huginn`      davidnind: The operation succeeded.
16:19 wizzyrea     v quiet now lol
16:26 davidnind    scared away by documentation team!
16:26 * oleonard   is still here, always here, never sleeping
16:27 * ashimema   is sami-present
16:27 * ashimema   has kids, dogs and cats all running around him.. hense being rather distracted..
16:27 oleonard     ashimema is semi-omni-present
16:43 * kidclamp   is a gift
16:44 kidclamp     {present}
16:44 * oleonard   leaves the wrapping on that one
16:44 kidclamp     also perishable, keep that in mind
16:45 ashimema     lol
16:45 wizzyrea     O.o
16:49 * oleonard   is saddened to hear kidclamp is not immortal
16:50 kidclamp     Oh, I am, I just go bad
16:52 oleonard     Evil Kidclamp, A.D. 2150
16:54 wizzyrea     kekeke
16:55 * wizzyrea   waits for the graphic novel of this conversation
16:55 wizzyrea     "KIDCLAMPS GONE BAD: A SAGA"
16:55 oleonard     Wow are you telling me comic books aren't just for kids anymore?
16:56 oleonard     Someone should alert every hometown newspaper.
16:59 kidclamp     "who wrote this recursive self updating code? without unit tests!"
17:00 wizzyrea     *GASP*
17:04 reiveune     bye
17:05 vero         Log in only with a user, such as disabling the password to log in. Thanks
17:08 wizzyrea     i feel like that's not something you'd want to do if your Koha is accessible by internet
17:10 vero         yes ,  opac users need only with their user can enter
17:12 oleonard     I agree with wizzyrea that that doesn't sound like a good idea. Nor do I think Koha offers a way to do that.
17:13 wizzyrea     I know of libraries that have requested that, and have had it implemented, but they were internal to an orginisation
17:13 wizzyrea     organisation*
17:14 wizzyrea     but I don't think it's something we'd put into core
17:14 wizzyrea     even optionally. because it's not a good idea.
17:15 vero         thank you
17:20 ashimema     anyone know who hosts meetbot?
17:21 wizzyrea     gmcharlt I think
17:21 ashimema     awesome..
17:22 * ashimema   rethinks his idea
17:22 oleonard     FYI bots are listed here: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars
17:23 ashimema     oh, cool
17:23 ashimema     didn't realise they had a section at the bottom there..
17:23 ashimema     nice
17:31 * cait       waves
17:34 wizzyrea     hi cait
17:51 wizzyrea     hrm does anyone else have trouble with the circulation rules page on current master?
17:51 Joubu        something specific to look at?
17:52 wizzyrea     does it load at all :P
17:52 oleonard     I have trouble with it every time I use it, but that's just because it's so unusable :P
17:52 wizzyrea     DBIx::Class::Storage::DBI::_dbh_execute(): Table 'koha_kohadev.refund_lost_item_fee_rules' doesn't exist at /kohadevbox/koha/Koha/Objects.pm line 92
17:52 wizzyrea     at /usr/share/perl5/DBIx/Class/Exception.pm line 77
17:52 wizzyrea     possibly I just need to dump this DB
17:52 wizzyrea     I am breaking up with you, database!
17:53 wizzyrea     take that.
17:53 Joubu        yup, you certainly tried something that deleted the table
17:53 Joubu        like bug 18930 :)
17:53 huginn`      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18930 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Move lost item refund rules to circulation_rules table
17:53 wizzyrea     cool I'll just reset it :)
17:53 wizzyrea     yeah that's gotta be the one
17:53 wizzyrea     ok thank you
17:53 wizzyrea     it's just me carry on
17:54 oleonard     wizzyrea I will not rest until I get to the bottom of this!!
17:54 wizzyrea     stand down soldier
17:55 wizzyrea     all betterer now
17:56 gmcharlt     ashimema: question about meetbot?
17:58 oleonard     Hi Margaret
17:58 oleonard     Hi gmcharlt
17:58 Margaret     hi oleonard!
17:58 wahanui      hi oleopard
17:58 gmcharlt     hi oleonard
17:58 wahanui      hi oleopard
18:07 Joubu        It would be good to have bug 22433 pushed quickly, to know why the test is failing
18:07 huginn`      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22433 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , SIP/Transaction.t is failing randomly
18:07 Joubu        super easy to test ;)
18:08 ashimema     gmcharlt I was going to ask how feasable it might be too hook off the endmeeting to run a script (which populate the google calendar entries for the next meeting and updates the wiki pages)
18:14 gmcharlt     ashimema: seems to me to be a bit overkill, but if you give me a web endpoint that the bot can GET or POST that activates said script, I'm wiling to have the bot invoke it
18:16 ashimema     Yeah, I thought twice about it after I initially asked,
18:21 oleonard     I don't want to distract gmcharlt from his months-long quest to find a way to get huginn`'s weather-reporting abilities back.
18:21 huginn`      News from kohagit: Bug 7088: DBRev 18.12.00.068 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e17500f621ec9de63f4cedb2905885b494c81edf>
18:21 huginn`      News from kohagit: Bug 7088: Compiled CSS <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a0bb818b0bc5acb54a48bf84772d795b2eea53fc>
18:21 huginn`      News from kohagit: Bug 22790: Add a test <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b40dd03ed54b6b08ad5b338d9d2d2de94de9cdf1>
18:21 huginn`      News from kohagit: Bug 22847: Correctly displayed circ rule values for max_holds and maxissue* <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=503842ac6c37cdbab2a8868604bd6f1294c829b1>
18:21 huginn`      News from kohagit: Bug 22790: The system preference itemBarcodeInputFilter is not applied for barcodes... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d3f4b50bdd476160d026012154c9f3463b94d37e>
18:21 huginn`      News from kohagit: Bug 7088: (follow-up) Modify checkbox enabling <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5f3c849014adad66deae505ff1ef8a7ddb8ea999>
18:21 huginn`      News from kohagit: Bug 7088: (follow-up) AllowRenewalLimitOverride fix <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=70c6c5dd93f9981a685d811c9e6adfc88508ffed>
18:21 huginn`      News from kohagit: Bug 7088: (follow-up) Add pref to checkbox <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1c61e60a17f06f6eb532fff9b7026fe99b818ded>
18:21 huginn`      News from kohagit: Bug 7088: (follow-up) Default hold checkbox display <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=770212d134e780cef4ad5f0da20fb40a036c5978>
18:21 huginn`      News from kohagit: Bug 7088: (follow-up) Set syspref default to off <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=89d764352f43004ebc33bea09c8557fd733a1b61>
18:21 huginn`      News from kohagit: Bug 7088: (follow-up) Remove script "type" attribute <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3b50efb7d5b8fd366d140be83a000d9afbdf4c02>
18:21 huginn`      News from kohagit: Bug 7088: (follow-up) Fix renewal limit bug <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cda1f7a65682573ad6ff7a219e518d508fcc18c6>
18:21 huginn`      News from kohagit: Bug 7088: Allow renew on hold items with due date <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c48af49ded481f498087eaf8e4cb530c4cc0a8e9>
18:21 huginn`      News from kohagit: Bug 7088: Add AllowRenewalOnHoldOverride syspref <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3e9550019a16d3944816788342eb808f3524d81e>
18:42 oleonard     See y'all later
18:45 wizzyrea     bye oleo
18:45 wizzyrea     nard
18:45 wizzyrea     eesh
18:50 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #724: SUCCESS in 26 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/724/
19:01 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
19:01 wahanui      Congratulations!
19:01 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #219: FIXED in 36 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/219/
19:04 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #233: SUCCESS in 40 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/233/
19:32 huginn`      News from kohagit: Bug 22053: DBRev 18.12.00.069 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=629b2723cb3c654c57e1db2ab206ea163128ccbb>
19:32 huginn`      News from kohagit: Bug 22811: Add button to clear DataTables filtering <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=94c4a268ac098705c2db703512fc0065fed6a42b>
19:32 huginn`      News from kohagit: Bug 22053: (QA follow-up) Override enable_plugins configuration <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1cd1fcc9d72fc031f1aba42eee7e79040f758569>
19:32 huginn`      News from kohagit: Bug 22053: (QA follow-up) More tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4aa2e16ec18f50dfe7c00f1eafc87a7546b24f04>
19:32 huginn`      News from kohagit: Bug 22053: update database <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d0e053e24d05ddc679a56d46ac121c3f4c89a21f>
19:32 huginn`      News from kohagit: Bug 22053: ability to enable/disable some plugins <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7394028b27a36b55fd85285a87c8d2f00649e6e9>
19:32 huginn`      News from kohagit: Bug 22053: create unit tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0a262a214f2c2ff6e836d7283cae413ee354cdce>
19:32 huginn`      News from kohagit: Bug 21535: Anonymize function in Patron should not scramble email addresses <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2330a155f6d13c37a81632c3088030c89a877401>
20:00 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #725: UNSTABLE in 26 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/725/
20:11 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #220: UNSTABLE in 35 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/220/
20:14 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #234: UNSTABLE in 41 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/234/
20:34 cait         lisettelatah++