Time Nick Message 01:09 wizzyrea hi 01:09 wahanui bonjour, wizzyrea 05:36 reiveune hello 05:36 wahanui niihau, reiveune 06:02 fridolin hi 06:02 wahanui bonjour, fridolin 06:03 fridolin bonjour à toi aussi wahanui 06:35 ashimema Still here rangi? 06:35 ashimema It's a long shot 06:39 ashimema Oh, thanks for the comments on bug 21662 rangi, of course we'll respect Natasha's wishes.. I hadn't even thought about that sort of case. I'll add a note in the hall file saying why its first name only so the question doesn't get asked again in a few years time.. haha 06:39 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21662 enhancement, P5 - low, 19.05, martin.renvoize, Failed QA , Missing developers from history 06:47 magnuse \o/ 06:56 alex_a bonjour 07:15 cait good morning #koha 07:24 magnuse kia ora cait 07:25 cait kia ora magnuse :) 08:20 ashimema cait.. do you participate in the #ChatOpenS twitter debates at all? 08:20 cait not yet, i have been watching 08:20 ashimema me too 08:20 cait i think davidnind does regularly 08:20 cait davidnind++ 08:21 ashimema rmind me.. didn't they used to post a nice looking website of the result at the end? 08:21 ashimema I wanted to skim over the last one as I missed it.. but I'm struggling with the twitter medium 08:24 koha-jenkins Project Koha_17.11_D8 build #156: SUCCESS in 31 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_17.11_D8/156/ 08:38 ashimema Aha.. way back in history they talk about 'Wakelets'.. now how do I find a wakelet 08:50 ashimema @later tell wizzyrea wondering if bug 15260 might be one that interests you? 08:50 huginn` ashimema: The operation succeeded. 09:03 davidnind ashimema: #OpenChatS thread/archive https://twitter.com/i/moments/1120387236841820164 via https://twitter.com/EquinoxOLI/status/1120389420757192704 09:09 ashimema davidnind you're a star 09:09 ashimema thanks 09:42 cait alex_a++ 09:51 alex_a I don't know why but thx cait :) 10:22 cait alex_a: auth plugins 10:23 alex_a Ah ok 10:24 alex_a I'd like some others points of view on this 10:26 cait I think we should not misuse the bug for a too general discussion 10:27 cait better to move that to a meeting or similar 10:27 cait i'd love a community repositor 10:27 cait y 10:27 cait I could imagine having the auth plugins as 'core plugins' 10:27 cait if we decide to move the existing ones too 10:27 cait but it's not easy... having worked with CAS and single log out they might not all be easy to implement as plugins 10:29 ashimema nice 10:29 ashimema you beat me to it on responding to that thread 10:57 alex_a Thank you cait 11:31 oleonard Hi all 11:41 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22759: Fix wrong check of branch rule in C4::Circulation::TooMany <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d9ce1567937de5fe115ec8595db63b7cfe80d8d6> 11:41 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22759: Unit tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6d9839d800ac8334a902cba5917b878507f8ba18> 11:41 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 21034: Re-indent circulation.tt <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7d598d9130c3d171af1e1a6a0a168cea043c277d> 11:41 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22694: Add Koha::Patron::Category->override_hidden_items <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0a22e3127d90c9d76734b223523e0635b18cb32d> 11:41 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22679: Delete related CirculationRules when Removing IssuingRule <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d8a759162cde8f373ea945a7e509102ec81878e0> 11:41 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22755: Fix pod in patron_emailer.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6fa21ef939785c1fd757a4755cd9b12ed09a18a0> 11:41 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22755: Import Koha::Script into patron_emailer cronjob <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f11bda813695e025a3e0f45463d7f710d82548af> 11:41 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22751: Switch two-column templates to Bootstrap grid: Patron details <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=be0d338366589ef80b69f287d7dbfc059476e4b2> 11:41 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22748: Pass userid to haspermission <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f76f93ecf191231036c96b17fceccf819247959f> 11:41 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22749: Make Koha::Item->hidden_in_opac respect hidelostitems <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b639271a615aaf9dce0d6fc2fd0dc7e22e8cf74a> 11:41 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22749: Regression tests for Koha::Item->hidden_in_opac <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6f4565ce686919ada0bc95ea26497ff80e4df250> 11:41 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22696: Prefetch items too <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=097a6af3b03a90af8c42a4ea8139edca8c9eb616> 11:41 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22701: Make items prefetchable from Koha::Biblio <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=95e074414758c84800281e410cabd258b1d4741d> 11:41 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22418: (follow-up) OPAC changes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1d845a1b3765f9ca11e526a0ea78dd0947246f4d> 11:41 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22418: Add magnifying glass to 655 results <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=aa6c41db8dd60a0eb27560c515ffaab5f9371c42> 11:41 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22701: Unit tests for Koha::Biblio->items <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6416ead3cb5f992146822f7de6b242a814d1a1be> 11:41 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22696: (follow-up) Use new relationship for prefetching <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=40ed0baba7f1156ba63d2a8ee095b40db66e13c8> 11:41 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22735: Resolve internal server error on missing item type <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b78bd2faec703bb7d7c750dbc1070ba2449f29a9> 11:41 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22696: Simplify visibility logic in opac-ISBDdetail.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4a0fa82a5b3ed2f493c55c1b74bf3dac2738c47f> 11:41 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22700: Make biblio_metadata prefetchable from Koha::Biblio <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0e762da67092e8bd04e37908e9e1419ea16f70e3> 11:41 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22694: Unit tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e3b68414373ee23418a6dc3ce10e859ae8fb66b8> 11:41 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22674: Change wording of payments in the GUI <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e7e1f2faeea94d2568779f9e7bbdc100909561c3> 11:41 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 21784: Clean up js_includes.inc <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cac5edd81d58a399b2254f378593fdb44a893826> 11:42 oleonard Wow I did NOT expect Bug 21034 to move so quickly 11:42 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21034 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Re-indent circulation.tt 11:43 oleonard cait++ 11:43 oleonard kidclamp++ 11:43 cait oleonard: i was hoping it would make you happy :) 11:44 oleonard I fully expected to have to re-do it a few more times! 11:45 * ashimema quietly weeps 11:47 ashimema ++ on reindentation 11:48 ashimema oleonard++ 11:48 oleonard I've probably said it before... reindenting is my ASMR of coding 11:52 oleonard And the reverse is true too... After working with Koha for so long seeing files with trailing whitespace and tab indentation is like fingernails on chalkboard 11:52 * oleonard glares at Wordpress 11:53 ashimema awhkks.. did you have to put that image in my mind 11:54 oleonard rangi++ 12:10 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #713: STILL UNSTABLE in 26 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/713/ 12:17 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #207: UNSTABLE in 37 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/207/ 12:21 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #219: UNSTABLE in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/219/ 12:21 oleonard I get it now: talljoy is sitting at a desk and tallerjoy has a standing desk 12:38 cait oleonard++:) 13:15 ere josef_moravec: Got a minute? I've a question about the PERL15 issues in bug 20447.. 13:15 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20447 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, ere.maijala, Failed QA , Add support for MARC holdings records 13:19 cait ere: if josef_moravec is not around, maybe tcohen or ashimema migh be able to help 13:20 ashimema 2 minutes then I'll be about 13:21 ere Okay, well, anyone: How is Koha::Biblio->metadata() supposed to work? I'm just getting error trying to `Koha::Biblios->find(11111)->metadata();` 13:22 ere Can't locate object method "metadata" via package "Koha::Schema::Result::Biblio" at /home/ere/kohaclone/Koha/Biblio.pm line 77. 13:22 ere I think it worked, but now it has been changed to not use find() for the metadata record. 13:23 ere Josef asked to do the same change for holdings, but it doesn't work there either. Either I'm missing something or there's an issue in the master branch.. 13:23 cait ere: maybe i have a bug in mind 13:23 cait sec 13:24 cait http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commit;h=0e762da67092e8bd04e37908e9e1419ea16f70e3 13:24 cait coudl this be related? 13:25 ere cait: yes, that's the change. And the new version's not working for me.. 13:26 ashimema hmm. it should work.. let me take a quick look 13:28 * cait summons josef_moravec again :P 13:30 ere Basicly I'm totally confused what the $self->_result->metadata method that Koha::Biblio->metadata tries to call actually is or should be. 13:31 ere Oh, now I see that there was a change to Koha/Schema/Result/Biblio.pm too. I probably lost it in resolving conflicts.. 13:32 ashimema erm 13:32 ashimema it works for me.. 13:32 ere ashimema: see above, I think I got it now.. 13:32 ashimema t/db_dependent/Koha/Biblio.t would fail otherwise 13:33 ashimema yes.. that's right 13:33 ashimema ->_result means 'give me the raw dbic result/row object 13:34 ere ashimema: but, this is a complete mispresentation on the real database structure. Is this really the best way to do it? 13:34 ashimema then the ->metadata is a proper dbic relationship (which in this case is one we added manually at the end after the hashmark, as we wanted a has_one and a nice accessor name that matches what we're building in the Koha::Object (::Biblio in this case)) 13:34 ere mispresentation _of_ 13:34 ere ashimema: Yes, but in reality it's not a one-on-one relationship. 13:35 ashimema haha.. and now we get to the 'This is just one of the many reasons I hate Koha::Objects tantrum' ;) 13:36 ashimema one of the reasons for existance of Koha::Objects was that we can 'fix' names in Koha::Objects where we've made poor decisions in the database and not have to go and fix the database 13:36 * ashimema would rather we cleaned up the database 13:36 ere ashimema: Oh, not at all. I'm just not happy about pretending the database is different than it is... Why can't we use the real relationship information? 13:36 ashimema but alas.. because of reports that very hard to get through the group conciousness 13:36 ere I mean, even without the manual addition Biblio knows it has multiple metadatas 13:36 cait but... it doesn't in realiity? 13:37 ashimema I was told that it will always only ever have one 13:37 ashimema and always have that one.. never zero never more 13:37 cait it#s like the biblio/biblioitems issue we want to fix at some point 13:37 cait split for reasons other than normalization 13:37 ere ashimema: Err... why do we have table at all? 13:37 ashimema performance 13:38 cait http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2013-April/039239.html 13:38 ere cait: I thought it was to be able to support multiple formats.. 13:38 cait http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2016-July/042821.html 13:38 cait it was an idea for the future, ut i thnk what we discussed was one at a time 13:38 ashimema it was proved that fetching the entire metadata field was painful.. so it got split into a new table so you now have to ask for it explicitly 13:38 cait so say.... mix dublin core and marc records 13:38 cait not have multiple representations for one and the same 13:38 cait but that's what I remember 13:38 ashimema of course.. we could have just asked for the columns we need instead of always saying give me all of them.. that likely would have achieved the same end I reckon 13:38 ashimema but... 13:39 ere I know the biblio/biblioitem history, but I'd really like to fix stuff instead of pretending to fix stuff. :) 13:39 cait i am not saying what is right or wrong... just trying to come up with the arguments at the time that led to things how they are 13:39 cait < historian ;) 13:40 ere Ok, well, now I at least got how it's working at the moment. Thanks for the assistance! I'll resume normal work and wait for someone to fix the world meanwhile. 13:40 ashimema we also have SQL guidelines that actually make this harder... we still build the dbic schemata from the database.. and the rules we enforce regarding table names and column names mean we end up with horrible relationship names 13:40 ashimema dbic suggest an entirely different scheme (which in my opinion makes allot more sense) 13:41 ashimema haha.. totally 13:41 ere I would have been completely fine if we pretended in Koha::Biblio that it only ever has one metadata record, but to make the schema class imply that... urgh. 13:41 ashimema huh? 13:41 ashimema in effect that's what we are doing.. 13:41 ere ashimema: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blobdiff;f=Koha/Schema/Result/Biblio.pm;h=c2623268e29a15d8308c5d964b5be86cf69fda07;hp=53e806b81f119cdd329817b5609851bee72f8212;hb=0e762da67092e8bd04e37908e9e1419ea16f70e3;hpb=f76f93ecf191231036c96b17fceccf819247959f 13:41 ashimema indeed 13:42 ere compared to http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=Koha/Schema/Result/Biblio.pm;h=c2623268e29a15d8308c5d964b5be86cf69fda07;hb=c2623268e29a15d8308c5d964b5be86cf69fda07#l170 13:42 ashimema but we've not gotten rid of the biblio_metadatas accessor 13:42 ashimema both exist 13:42 ere yes 13:42 ashimema so one can still get back to metadata's if they want 13:43 ashimema the point of adding the relation for `metadata` was to make the prefetch easier 13:44 ere I see. That makes sense. A comment to that effect in the code would have helped to understand that. 13:44 * ashimema sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/cuMqDLzitebtDHsSfrVpnjfD > 13:44 ashimema see the inconsistency there? 13:45 ere ashimema: sure 13:45 ashimema the first one has a nice prefetch name that matches the relationship you're then going to use 13:45 ashimema the latter means you have to walk up the code path all the way back to the schema to understand what it is your actually wanting to prefetch 13:46 ashimema I think it's perhaps because this is so new... we need to add to the guidlines.. there's ongoing conversation about that 13:46 ashimema I may raise it this evening in the meeting 13:47 ashimema but in reality.. if we end up consistent throughout one shouldn't have to code dive so much to know what to prefetch.. I'm effectively trying to steer us back towards how dbic do it ;) 13:47 ere ashimema++ 13:47 ashimema sorry if it's actually ended up confusing things more.. I'm certainly open to suggestions on improvements 13:48 ashimema as I said.. what I'd really like to do is fix the database field and table names and ditch allot fo the Koha::Object pain we have entirely 13:49 ere ashimema: I agree. 13:52 * ashimema would love to see the day where every table in koha has an 'id' field as the primary key and all foreign key fields take the form 'table_id' 13:52 ashimema and all table names are plural 13:53 ere ooh, a dream come true! 13:54 ashimema oh, and of course where all foreign key fields are actual proper foreign keys with indexes and constraints ;) 13:54 ere ok, let's not get too excited here :D 13:55 * ashimema comes out of dream land and goes back to coding ;) 13:55 ere Ok, got to go, it's summer outside... 13:55 ere @wunder helsinki 13:55 huginn` ere: Error: I got an error searching 'None'. (keynotfound: this key does not exist) 13:56 ere @wunder helsinki finland 13:56 huginn` ere: Error: I got an error searching 'None'. (keynotfound: this key does not exist) 13:56 ere :( 14:02 oleonard AndrewIsh++ 14:03 oleonard Hi there Central Time Zone 14:03 wizzyrea hallo 14:19 wizzyrea ashimema, yes, I can poke that 14:21 ashimema Thanks wizzyrea 😊 14:34 oleonard Updated (finally?!) with Bootstrap grid examples: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Interface_patterns#Page_layouts 14:35 wizzyrea heyyyy neat 14:43 wizzyrea i am so confused by talljoy right now 14:44 oleonard She keeps eating different sides of the mushroom 14:44 * wizzyrea waits for shortjoy to appear 15:12 cait oleonard++ 15:29 wizzyrea hey cait 15:30 wizzyrea bug 20891 might help us get 22715 going 15:30 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20891 minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Lists in staff don't load when \ was used in the description 15:30 wizzyrea and it seems to work 15:47 alex_a Everyone needs cait's help :) 15:54 alex_a cait, can you take a look on the 3 last comments on Bug 18823 please ? 15:54 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18823 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, alex.arnaud, Failed QA , Advanced editor - Rancor - add ability to edit records in import batches 16:00 cait alex_a: my head is not working well right now, i will try later - ok? 16:00 cait i think you are right about svc 16:00 cait but there is alot of logic an dmethods there 16:00 cait so what I'd really like is for someone else to weigh in 16:00 cait kidclamp: would be nic 16:00 cait e 16:00 cait *tries to summon* 16:01 alex_a cait, take care of your head first :) 16:01 kidclamp I would be nice, I usually am 16:02 cait yeah but then i can blame the RM 16:02 cait alex_a: i tihnk it's really gotten too big 16:02 cait did you comment on the controlnumber related things too? 16:02 kidclamp me? 16:02 wahanui you are the guy with an amazing moustache 16:02 cait too big for my head only at least 16:03 cait alex_a: :) 16:03 cait kidclamp: from you i'd like a comment on the missing tests :) 16:03 ashimema me? 16:03 wahanui i guess ashimema is RMaint for 18.05 ? 16:04 alex_a cait, corilynn found a regression since i remove the record number (as you suggest) 16:04 cait who is the confused one now..? 16:04 alex_a But it seems to be useful 16:04 corilynn we all are, cait, we all are 16:04 cait true 16:04 wizzyrea i'm so lost you should call me little red riding hood 16:04 wizzyrea or um... goldilocks. 16:04 wizzyrea or something. 16:04 wahanui rumour has it something is broken 16:04 corilynn was she lost, or ... 16:05 cait sorry, work is killing me... we got a ton of complex problems right now because of our merged unoin catalogs 16:05 wizzyrea tis 16:05 ashimema :confused: 16:05 corilynn all: bug 18823 16:05 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18823 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, alex.arnaud, Failed QA , Advanced editor - Rancor - add ability to edit records in import batches 16:05 corilynn the rock that is sitting on my back 16:06 cait i think this was developed for a library with a real special worflow? 16:06 kidclamp unit tests would be highly appreciated 16:06 * ashimema wishes he had a few tuits to spare 16:06 cait it seems lke it's made to do catalougiing more for 'outside of Koha' 16:06 corilynn cait, we are not a library, but a consulting cataloging firm 16:06 cait i think we need to make sure the workflow for 'standard catalouging' stil works without extra steps 16:06 kidclamp but I think for some of the modules they may be missing, and in that case I 'might' be convinced to turn a blind eye 16:06 cait I assumed something like that 16:06 corilynn cait, agree 16:06 cait so thinking about this mostly when looking at it - how to make it work for both 16:07 corilynn we did the original funding for that interface 16:07 kidclamp though, when you are deep in the code and understand it is the best time to write tests 16:07 corilynn but it still doesn't work for *us* without this feature 16:07 cait i don't want librareis to have to tick extra boxes if possible for the stanard use case of saving into Koha 16:07 cait does that make sense? 16:07 corilynn cait, complete 16:07 corilynn ly 16:07 corilynn *I* don't want to have to click extra boxes 16:07 cait i might not have fully understood it first try, I am usre we can work something out 16:08 kidclamp could you have two buttons? one to save regular, and one to update? 16:08 corilynn once you click a box, it should remain clicked until you unclick it, this is the first rule of "catloging club" 16:08 * ashimema hasn't read the bug enough yet to really understand what it does 16:08 cait corilynn: i'd argue it should be preset to 'into koha' 16:08 alex_a kidclamp, i didn't write tests for svc/ script. Since, afaik, there's no way to do it. And i gave up write ones for MetaSearcher 16:08 cait but i have to take another look at the gui 16:08 corilynn the second rule is, the button stays clicked 16:09 corilynn kidclamp, i don't think that's a good idea 16:09 cait and honestly... i don#t remember right now aobut the biblionumber thing 16:09 cait i wanted 16:10 kidclamp I haven't looked at these patches in forever, so ignore me about buttons :-) 16:10 corilynn I would be happier with: same controlNum then overwrite, different controlnum, create 16:10 cait most libraries don't use the controlnumber at all 16:10 corilynn hmm, not sure that's totally true 16:10 cait i know we do with our union catalog set up 16:10 cait but koha doesn't set it 16:11 cait we don't even index 003 16:11 cait or move 001 to 035 as other systems do 16:11 corilynn there's a bug for that, cait, I fixed it in the last version? 16:11 cait i think you got the plugin in 16:11 corilynn "that" being 001 16:11 corilynn I did 16:11 cait but it's not happening automatically 16:11 corilynn nope 16:11 cait an dnot for the standard editor 16:12 cait I think it's safe to assume most libraries leave it empty for loca cataloguing 16:12 corilynn this feature doesn't exist for the standard editor 16:12 cait no hea stats for that, but from what i have seen i think that's the case 16:12 cait I am not saying it's nto useful... it's just that it won't work for most libraries 16:12 corilynn a lot of public recs (z39.50) have 001 16:12 cait but 001 is not enough 16:13 corilynn is it not? 16:13 cait to make it work for sure... you'd have to look for 003 16:13 cait only in combination both are unique 16:13 corilynn 003 is already required by koha 16:13 cait for your check i mean 16:13 corilynn ok 16:13 cait it's quite complex 16:13 corilynn not, really 16:13 cait and was not in the test plans i think, or i missed it 16:13 corilynn probably not 16:14 kidclamp alex_a: I will try to be forgiving then, Rancor is in need of more tests overall likely 16:14 cait wizzyrea: would you mind giving th ebug a go? 16:14 corilynn cait, it's currently broken 16:14 cait oh 16:14 cait so what did i demand that doesn't work? 16:15 wizzyrea i mean yes, but no 16:15 wizzyrea :) 16:15 corilynn removing the record number box 16:15 kidclamp as long as the thigns svc calls are tested where they can be the svc doesn't need to be tested, would be nice ot use REST, but that is much bigger work 16:15 cait my issue was that it looked like you were creating a duplicate 16:15 cait was it that? 16:15 cait with both box checked? 16:15 corilynn yes 16:15 cait boxes 16:15 cait so maybe we need to come up with different labelling? 16:15 corilynn but what you are doing is overwriting that record 16:16 corilynn fine with me 16:16 corilynn what do you suggest 16:16 corilynn ? 16:16 cait right now... i really have to look at it again 16:16 corilynn ok 16:16 cait and could you add something to the test plan/comments about 001? 16:16 cait if nto there yet 16:16 wizzyrea do you want me to look at it in the meantime cait? to give your head a rest 16:17 cait corilynn: issue is too... thi swould have been better as several bugs 16:17 cait introduce the save as... introduce the batch stuff 16:17 alex_a corilynn, cait "my issue was that it looked like you were creating a duplicate" => No 16:17 cait it right now rewrites adds tons of code to rancor 16:17 cait and i don't know that code well 16:17 alex_a If the 2 box are checked => update the record in same batch 16:17 alex_a boxes* 16:17 cait wizzyrea: i'd love to get another head on it 16:17 corilynn cait, i get it, but this has been in the works for 3 years 16:17 corilynn splitting it up would be aweful 16:17 cait just explaining, i know not now 16:17 cait but maybe next tiem :) 16:18 corilynn hey, cool 16:18 corilynn I'd much rather have a tiny change 16:18 cait they work much better, testing, qa'ing etc 16:18 corilynn but this is the bulge in the snake that is 10 more bugs 16:18 cait ok, now you lost me :) 16:18 cait is that a saying? 16:18 corilynn it's the "fat part" 16:19 * wizzyrea tries to wrap head around that snake metaphor as well 16:19 corilynn sorry 16:19 wizzyrea but I think I get it 16:19 wizzyrea is there more coming? 16:19 wizzyrea i.e. if we don't move this rat on through, there's other stuff that can't be solved 16:19 corilynn ah, software term, "TENT POLE" 16:19 corilynn wizzyrea, yes 16:19 wizzyrea excellent I understand you 16:19 ashimema I have a love hate with lots of small bugs.. they're certainly easier to get SO and QA.. but.. they also run the risk of only parts of features getting in :( 16:20 corilynn https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/showdependencytree.cgi?id=18823&hide_resolved=1 16:21 cait ashimema: i think Joubu proved that it works, he is quite good at it 16:21 wizzyrea rght ok I'll give it a go corilynn will you be arond to explain the use cases to me if I need it? 16:21 ashimema that's not a dependancy tree.. this is a dependancy tree https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/showdependencygraph.cgi?id=14825 ;) 16:21 cait lol 16:21 corilynn wizzyrea, it's currently broken 16:21 wizzyrea oh, right 16:21 corilynn see, it's not as gross as that 16:21 ashimema oh it works and is certainly the way to go 16:21 wizzyrea do I need to not apply a particular patch maybe and it will be not broken 16:21 cait alex_a: could you undo the breaking change quickly? 16:21 wizzyrea ? 16:21 cait or could we just leave out a patch for wizzyrea to test? 16:21 alex_a cait, i can! 16:22 ashimema but.. it's hard to make sure that the whole feature goes in within one release.. and it's horrible when a half feature makes it 16:22 corilynn ashimema, agreed 16:22 corilynn wizzyrea, need to eat lunch, but I can be around for the next 4.5 hours 16:23 wizzyrea yep ok 16:23 ashimema will unblocking the particular one end up with such a case.. we have very little of this cycle left.. it may be a better candidate as first thing pushed next cycle 16:23 * ashimema ducks before he gets his head cut off 16:23 corilynn promises, promises ;) 16:23 wizzyrea heh 16:24 corilynn I'd rather do the testing, whatever cycle it goes it 16:24 corilynn in 16:24 alex_a cait, done. Have to go now. I'll take a look at the IRC logs tomorrow. If you want to re-broke things, just unobsolete the last patch :) 16:25 cait ok :) 16:25 corilynn i'm going to eat before hangry kicks in 16:25 corilynn bbs 16:25 alex_a ++ 16:25 ashimema coolios 16:26 * cait bought herself a chocolate bunny and then dropped it 16:26 cait it's that kind of day 16:29 cait is easter chocolate bunnies a thing everywhere? 16:29 ashimema it is here 16:30 wizzyrea here too 16:30 cait ah at least :) 16:31 oleonard But no chocolate bells here 16:31 oleonard Hi lisettelatah 16:32 lisettelatah Hi oleonard 16:32 wahanui hi oleopard 16:46 * cait waves at lisettelatah 16:49 wizzyrea i can't think of a use case where someone would want, say, 4 holds on a single barcode 16:49 wizzyrea can you? 16:49 wizzyrea (because it's possible now, but we have a patch to prevent it and I wanto make sure that's not intentional) 16:52 oleonard One person with multiple holds on a single item? 16:52 wizzyrea yeah 16:52 wizzyrea not on a biblio 16:52 wizzyrea on a single item 16:52 oleonard I don't see why that would need to be possible 16:52 wizzyrea neither 16:53 cait same 16:53 cait but.. 123? 16:53 cait @quote get 123 16:53 huginn` cait: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 16:53 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn`. 16:53 wizzyrea well yes 16:55 cait not doubting my judgement much today 16:56 cait hm 16:56 wizzyrea i mean 16:56 cait not trusting 16:56 cait broken brain 16:56 wizzyrea if we think it through 16:56 lisettelatah I could see people using it to schedule holds out for something like rehoming an item to a different branch periodically, though I don't think it the most efficient way to do it. 16:58 wizzyrea lets say a borrower places a hold on an item, gets the item, and returns it 16:58 wizzyrea if they have multiple on the same item I mean a barcode not a biblio 16:59 wizzyrea they return it and it immediately triggers another hold for them? 16:59 wizzyrea why would anyone do that 16:59 cait hm it would trigger again 16:59 cait could be gaming the rules a bit 16:59 cait if renewals are limited for some reason 16:59 wizzyrea here's a use case I could see 16:59 wizzyrea person mad about a book they don't like the content on 16:59 wizzyrea does this 17:00 wizzyrea ^ should not be allowed 17:00 wizzyrea so they check it out, renew it fully to avoid fines 17:00 wizzyrea trigger a hold 17:00 wizzyrea get it back again 17:00 wizzyrea ad infinitum 17:01 cait seems a bit much work, but who knows :) 17:05 lisettelatah They could, but would a patch that prevented that also prevent someone from placing a hold on an item they currently checked out? Maybe they aren't done with it and there is another hold and they want to get on the list before the return it? They might want to place an item level hold because branch A has longer checkout times than branch B or something. 17:05 cait i think placing a hold on hcecked out has a pref 17:05 corilynn wizzyrea, I can't think of a reason for 4 holds on one barcode, but certainly 4 on the same title 17:06 cait so we should not prevent by default 17:06 cait checking if i can find it 17:07 cait AllowHoldsOnPatronsPossessions 17:07 cait [Allow|Don't allow] a patron to place a hold on a record where the patron already has one or more items attached to that record checked out. 17:09 wizzyrea lisettelatah, no, this patch wouldn't prevent that - the syspref does 17:10 wizzyrea corilynn, definitely this does not change the title level hold behaviour 17:11 wizzyrea i'm only trying to make sure we're not preventing something that could have an actual (not gaming the system) use. 17:11 wizzyrea and I think I'm nearly there agreeing that this shouldn't be allowed 17:11 wizzyrea :D 17:12 corilynn kewl 17:15 cait yep 17:15 wizzyrea excellent thinking though thanks team 17:18 ashimema What on earth is going on with talljoy 17:18 ashimema Feels like she been bottef 17:18 cait clones? 17:19 cait bottef? 17:19 ashimema botted even 17:19 wizzyrea dodgy internet maybe? 17:19 ashimema Become a bit 17:19 ashimema Bot 17:19 ashimema Damn autocorrect 17:19 ashimema Dinner time 17:19 tcohen hi all 17:19 wizzyrea hi tcohen 17:19 cait tall joy bot.... 17:20 cait hi tcohen :) 17:20 wizzyrea tallbot 17:20 wizzyrea botjoy 17:20 cait tcohen: did you get my mail? ;) 17:26 tcohen cait: api patches? 17:26 cait yep 17:31 reiveune bye 17:34 tcohen tallestjoy: we want the real joy 17:56 wizzyrea lol "Upgrade to XXX done (Bug XXXXX - description)" 17:56 * wizzyrea gives it a little side-eye 17:56 cait oh? 17:56 wahanui i think oh is that a newer than 17.05 feature? 17:57 wizzyrea it's ok I'll fix it if te feature tests ok :) 17:57 wizzyrea I just think it's funny 18:07 * ashimema has fallen into that trap before 18:26 wizzyrea anyone available to qa https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18308 18:26 huginn` Bug 18308: normal, P5 - low, ---, hayleymapley, Signed Off , Default value of minPasswordLength should be increased 18:36 * cait summons qa_team 18:36 cait hm... thought it might work :) 18:44 wizzyrea qa_team help! 18:44 wahanui cait alex_a jajm khall josef_moravec ashimema Joubu marcelr tcohen rangi 18:44 wizzyrea there we go 18:44 wizzyrea lol 18:44 khall wizzyrea I'll take a look! 18:44 cait darn... i need these super powers! 18:45 cait wizzyrea: i was hoping you could take a look at the acq item on receive edit bug too :) holding back to qa :) 18:45 khall cait I installed a non-web irc client on my computer finally ;) 18:45 wizzyrea oh oh oh 18:45 wizzyrea which one is that 18:45 cait yay! 18:45 cait bug 22669 18:45 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22669 blocker, P2, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Cannot edit received item in acquisitions with acqcreateitem set to "when placing an order" 18:45 khall I'm using Textual atm, not sure if I'll stick with it since it's nonfree, but it's nice 18:45 wizzyrea beauty 18:46 cait khall: love having you back :) 18:46 khall :) 18:46 tcohen cait: you have the superpowers 18:47 cait maybe i forgot how ot use them :) 18:48 wizzyrea that's why I'm here ;) 18:49 wizzyrea oh thank the everything that works again 18:52 wizzyrea oh bugger not completely 18:55 * oleonard grumble grumbles 18:56 cait wizzyrea: thx for testing - hope to get that in fast 18:57 ashimema Me uses riot.im and matrix for it. khall worked really week for me until the recent hack that took matrix offline for like 2 weeks it felt 18:57 ashimema Made me really miss having logs and things 18:58 khall ashimema yeah, I wanted bws to move to matrix, but we went the slack route. It's getting better but it's not quite ready for primetime 18:58 * ashimema is currently in a field with his dog.. excuse slow replies and typos from phone 18:59 kidclamp metting soon? 18:59 ashimema Agree 18:59 oleonard Gotta go. Sorry to miss the meeting. 18:59 ashimema I have slack for work (and pestering bws and tcohen) 18:59 ashimema And riot for here and other IRC like mojo 18:59 khall heh ;) 18:59 ashimema Any minute 18:59 kidclamp oleonard just volunteered to fix all the bugs, right? s'what I heard 19:00 kidclamp #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 24 April 2019 19:00 huginn` Meeting started Wed Apr 24 19:00:29 2019 UTC. The chair is kidclamp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:00 huginn` Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 19:00 huginn` The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_24_april_2019' 19:00 ashimema Totally 19:00 kidclamp #topic Introductions 19:00 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany 19:00 kidclamp #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions 19:01 cait please introduce yourself using #info! 19:01 ashimema #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe 19:01 kidclamp #chair cait ashimema 19:01 huginn` Current chairs: ashimema cait kidclamp 19:01 davidnind #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand 19:01 ashimema Slow phone typer extraordinair 19:01 wizzyrea #info liz rea, doer of things 19:02 kidclamp is that us? 19:03 ashimema Looks like it 19:03 kidclamp khall was here. lukeg JesseM 19:03 kidclamp qa team? 19:03 wahanui qa team are the real gatekeepers, send cookies their way 19:03 kidclamp qa_team? 19:03 wahanui qa_team is cait alex_a jajm khall josef_moravec ashimema Joubu marcelr tcohen rangi 19:03 cait oh nice, we can decide something big while noone is watching 19:03 kidclamp ah! I found the magic word 19:03 cait cheese names for releases? 19:04 ashimema Lol 19:04 wizzyrea pizza flavours 19:04 kidclamp 19.05 = camembetr sa mere 19:04 ashimema Muppets 19:04 cait muppets is a good one 19:04 wizzyrea limited number tho 19:04 cait stars? 19:04 ashimema Lol 19:05 wizzyrea lol 19:05 kidclamp #topic Announcements 19:05 ashimema Rmaint releases due end of the week 19:06 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 19:06 ashimema We're in string freeze.. think I forgot to send the reminder emails this time.. apologies 19:06 ashimema # is hard on phone keyboard 19:06 cait #info Freeze dates have been announced http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2019-April/045179.html - May 3 is feature slush! 19:06 kidclamp that is soon! 19:06 cait #info Maint releases are in string freeze 19:07 * kidclamp breathes deep calming breaths 19:07 cait you will be free soon ;) 19:07 * ashimema shivers 19:07 kidclamp I will miss people listening to my opinion 19:07 cait #info Elections on next IRC meeting - May 8 19:07 cait #info Still a lot of roles to fill 19:08 cait #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_19.11 Roles 19.11 19:08 ashimema Do we need a little recruitment drive? 19:08 ashimema Like we did for 18.11 19:08 cait i'd say so... especially rmaints and translation 19:09 cait what did we do for 18.11? 19:09 ashimema Roll up, roll up.. we need you 19:09 wizzyrea oh i could take a rmaint 19:09 cait I'll add the electio meeting to the page as link on top... 19:09 ashimema Sent a few extra emails to the lists and pm a few people until they signed up. 19:10 kidclamp moving on? 19:10 davidnind I can post on @kohails, along with a reminder closer to 8 May meeting 19:10 cait davidnind: please do! 19:10 ashimema ++ 19:11 cait also if you hae somoene on mind, they might just need a nudge in the right direction 19:12 * cait volunteers lukeG for something 19:12 cait #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_8_May_2019 Agenda 19:13 cait wizzyrea: you could! 19:13 wizzyrea it's been a little while but I've done it before 19:13 cait hm that was the wrong agenda... someone stop me please 19:13 kidclamp #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_24_April_2019 Agenda 19:14 cait #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_24_April_2019 Today's agenda 19:14 kidclamp #topic Update from the Release manager (19.05) 19:14 kidclamp I have been working on chasing bugs and clean up, pushing whatever gets into my queue 19:14 cait kidclamp++ 19:14 kidclamp things are coming along nicely, special thanks to liz and cait for getting some nasty circ bugs cleaned up 19:15 kidclamp reminder that release will be after KohaCon 19:15 kidclamp keep hitting the QA queue, esp any bugs that come through 19:15 kidclamp that's all I got rightnow 19:15 wizzyrea 2 blockers outstanding 19:15 wizzyrea one LDAP which are notoriously hard to test 19:16 wizzyrea the acq one should be fixed soon tho 19:17 cait 2 blockers, 1 critical and 13 major outstanding - need to get that down pre-release 19:17 wizzyrea oh i meant to look at that labels one 19:18 kidclamp #inf release coming along, thanks all, keep hitting the bugs 19:18 kidclamp #info release coming along, thanks all, keep hitting the bugs 19:18 kidclamp #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers 19:18 kidclamp ashimema: lukeG fridolin 19:19 ashimema I've got a small backlog to burn through after release 19:19 ashimema But otherwise we're doing well 19:19 ashimema Already announced next release dates, end of this week 19:19 ashimema That's it from me tonight 19:20 kidclamp #info the rmaints are working tirelessly through the nights to perfect their releases, send coffee and candy 19:20 kidclamp basically what you said 19:20 cait :) 19:20 ashimema Hehe, thanks 19:20 cait ashimema++ lukeG++ fridolin++ 19:20 kidclamp #topic Updates from the QA team 19:21 cait #info Thx to the hard work of the testers (special thanks to Michal Denar and Liz) the NSO queue is way below 200 for the first time in ages 19:21 kidclamp confetti! 19:21 wahanui o/`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` 19:21 ashimema Wool, woop 19:21 cait #info QA queue goes up and down a bit, around 70 right now. Calling for all team members to get that down! 19:21 lukeG dont forget JesseM++ (also a current 18.05 RMaint) :) 19:22 cait seriously, 2 weeks pre release... let's get things done. I'd especially like to get the longer waiting ones cleaned out 19:22 cait I've listed 3 on the wiki that appear especially stuck 19:22 wizzyrea cait can't do it alone! 19:22 cait bug 21824 19:22 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21824 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Add ability to format dates in various formats in templates 19:22 cait bug 20582 19:22 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20582 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , Turn Koha into a Mojolicious application 19:22 cait bug 19821 19:22 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19821 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Run tests on a separate database 19:23 kidclamp 20582 is in ashimema's sights for next release I believe 19:23 cait #info Please look at bugs and longer waiting ones - dashboard and sorting by 'last changed' helps to spot them 19:24 ashimema Yup, I'm keen on that last one early next release.. aiming to collar mst in helping to QA it from a mojo expert perspective at kohacon 19:24 cait the last or the middle? 19:24 ashimema I will try to tackle at least one of the other ones. 19:24 ashimema Oh middle.. 19:24 ashimema The mojo one 19:24 ashimema Sorry 19:24 cait ah 19:25 cait if it's too late for this, can we mark it for 19.11? 19:25 kidclamp sure 19:25 ashimema kidclamp is welcome to grab it if he wants it.. I just don't have the time this cycle to look at it properly from a QA perspective 19:25 cait clean queue = happy cait 19:26 tcohen hi 19:26 wahanui privet, tcohen 19:26 ashimema And I got the feeling no-one else felt they had the expertise there? 19:26 cait not me :( 19:26 ashimema Hehe 19:26 ashimema I like happy cait 19:26 davidnind we all want a happy cait! 19:26 cait aaw :) 19:26 tcohen wasn't the Mojo one a working POC 19:27 cait I really need help with that kind of stuff 19:27 wizzyrea i shy away from those ones too, sorry 19:27 cait please jump in, ask if you are ot sure where to start, I will find you something :) 19:27 * cait points tcohen to API patches ;) 19:27 cait nothing more helpful from me, any one else from the team? 19:27 ashimema tcohen yes I think it is 19:28 tcohen cait: I'll take a look at the patches for checkouts 19:28 ashimema I need to get to grips with it and whether we want to introduce 'yet another way to run koha', encourage a switch or what 19:28 kidclamp moving ahead? 19:29 cait bug 18206 is on the old list too 19:29 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18206 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, lari.taskula, Signed Off , REST API: Default exception handling 19:29 ashimema I like the idea of switching from plack to hypnotoad but would like some good clear reasons to do so rather than 'a feeling' 19:29 cait i didn't realize the change was that big 19:29 cait so definitely late for this one 19:29 cait this release 19:29 ashimema I'm sort of on that one cait , I need to get back to it 19:30 cait great 19:30 cait move on :) 19:30 ashimema Go for it 19:30 kidclamp #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) 19:31 kidclamp #info More code golf is encouraged 19:31 tcohen +1 19:31 wizzyrea golf? 19:31 cait can you explain that a bit? 19:32 cait i've seen the term used, but have no clear picture 19:32 * wizzyrea highfives cait 19:32 kidclamp alternate patches, updated patches, more than just a comment, show people what you mean 19:32 kidclamp or fix small issues and ask for return sign off 19:32 ashimema ,😊 19:32 wizzyrea oh, be generous 19:32 kidclamp just a convo ashimema and I had 19:33 wizzyrea yes that's a nice thing 19:33 ashimema Learning from each other by coding on bugs together 19:33 wizzyrea well it's not an adversarial sport 19:33 wizzyrea more like curling. 19:33 wizzyrea one person pushes it off and everyone else scrubs it to the finish line :P 19:33 ashimema So if your doing SO or QA and spot a minor change you can make to improve to code.. go ahead and do it as a follow-up.. that way we all r so the rewards 19:34 cait aaah 19:34 cait cool 19:34 ashimema Exactly.. I love that.. curling 19:34 * ashimema adopts that term 19:34 cait wizzyrea: thx for the picture :) 19:34 wizzyrea well I mean the original person can help scrub too 19:34 kidclamp #info make that code curling - help clear the way to get the bug to the goal 19:34 wizzyrea so it's not a perfect metaphor 19:34 wizzyrea :P 19:35 kidclamp we're all dogs pulling the same sled? 19:35 tcohen kitten? 19:35 ashimema The mojo community are really good at it.. they have a golfing period for all pull requests and often the result is very nice and you can learn allot from the action of doing it 19:35 lukeG ha 19:35 kidclamp be the avengers, but for perl coding? 19:35 tcohen hehe 19:35 * kidclamp claims Hulk 19:35 cait maybe a code curling day would be nice 19:36 wizzyrea https://media.giphy.com/media/osIlz7bd1KCFW/giphy.gif 19:36 wizzyrea ^ I am completely dying of laughter 19:36 kidclamp hehe 19:36 kidclamp no coding guidelines, I think we can set next meeting, or keep playing :-) 19:36 ashimema Live that 19:37 wizzyrea i like the little YES at the end lol 19:37 cait lol 19:37 cait code curling is https://media.giphy.com/media/osIlz7bd1KCFW/giphy.gif 19:38 kidclamp #topic Set time of next meeting 19:39 kidclamp May 8th, 14 UTC? 19:39 kidclamp ould be same day as general 19:39 cait may 8 is general with elections 19:39 kidclamp may 15th? 19:39 cait maybe move it a little? 19:39 cait works for me 19:39 cait still before kohaCon 19:40 thd better 19:40 kidclamp #info Next meeting: 15 May 2019, 14 UTC 19:40 kidclamp #endmeeting 19:40 huginn` Meeting ended Wed Apr 24 19:40:35 2019 UTC. 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(v 0.1.4) 19:40 huginn` Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2019/development_irc_meeting_24_april_2019.2019-04-24-19.00.html 19:40 huginn` Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2019/development_irc_meeting_24_april_2019.2019-04-24-19.00.txt 19:40 huginn` Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2019/development_irc_meeting_24_april_2019.2019-04-24-19.00.log.html 19:40 kidclamp THnaks all! 19:40 kidclamp thanks even 19:41 ashimema Thanks all 19:41 ashimema Lupin says hi from his walk.. or rather "woof" 19:41 cait kidclamp++ 19:42 * ashimema will go run the meeting script to generate cal entries and wiki pages now 19:43 cait hi josef_moravec :) 19:43 cait or wb 19:43 josef_moravec hi cait 19:43 wizzyrea doggie! 19:44 josef_moravec looks like i just missed the meeting... 19:44 cait we decided to name the releases after muppets 19:44 cait 19.05 will be miss piggy 19:44 wizzyrea cheeses 19:45 cait miss piggy camenbert 19:45 wizzyrea yees 19:47 * wizzyrea is still laughing at that gif 19:47 ashimema code golf 19:47 wahanui well, code golf is like, cleaning up code and learning from each other and like code curling 19:47 davidnind code curling 19:47 wahanui code curling is https://media.giphy.com/media/osIlz7bd1KCFW/giphy.gif 19:48 ashimema code curling 19:48 wahanui hmmm... code curling is https://media.giphy.com/media/osIlz7bd1KCFW/giphy.gif 19:48 ashimema Hehe 19:51 wizzyrea https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22738 is this actually a bug 19:51 huginn` Bug 22738: blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Software Error after LDAP Authentication 19:52 wizzyrea can anyone confirm that something bad happens it seems like a helpdesk thing 19:57 cait i tend to say so too... maybe should move to the mailing list now for more ideas 19:58 wizzyrea i mean at least demote it from blocker 19:58 wizzyrea cuz uh it's not I think? 19:58 cait agred 19:59 wizzyrea done 19:59 wizzyrea right, kiddo pickup time 20:04 thd drop off time 20:11 ashimema Agreed too 20:11 ashimema It might be nicer if we caught the error and threw a more meaningful on into the logs.. but I still don't think it's a bug as such 20:16 cait kidclamp: tabs? ;) 20:16 * cait will code curl bug 22753 for you 20:16 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22753 major, P5 - low, ---, nick, Signed Off , Move hold to top button doesn't work if waiting holds exist. 20:23 cait hm stange, the qa script complains about lines not changed by the patch 20:26 kidclamp I must have used tabs that were already there 20:54 cait fixed now 20:54 cait btw, working on bug 14576 20:54 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14576 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nick, Signed Off , Allow automatic update of location on checkin 20:54 cait for once it was good that my devbox always has the wrong time :) 20:54 cait resettting it helps alter my checkins so i can test the cart_to_shelf cronjob :P 20:55 cait ageing 20:57 cait kidclamp: pqa... hope you are now a bit happy too :) making people happy is today's topic 21:29 davidnind cait: Would chocolate help? Any requests from https://www.whittakers.co.nz/en_NZ/products/ that I can bring to kohacon? 21:31 wizzycray docker makes me sad 21:31 wizzycray cait you want all of that chocolate 21:31 wizzycray it is the actual best chocolate and I know you are from germany and supposedly you have good chocolate but seriously don't pass it up 21:32 wizzycray let him bring you chocolate. 21:32 wizzycray I suggest hazelnut and the pecan/maple 21:32 wizzycray if you are into nuts. 21:32 cait davidnind: i will never say no to chocolate :) 21:32 cait but help with waht? happy? :) 21:32 wizzycray if not, the mint, berry and biscuit, milk, dark ghana all good 21:33 wizzycray and now for real i'm out 21:33 cait I've never had caramelised white chocolate... and i like salty/sweet things 21:33 davidnind cait: Yes! 21:34 cait i've seen them caramelising white chocolate on cooking shows - hence the curiosity :) 21:34 * cait probably watched all cooking shows on netflix 21:34 davidnind wonders how much chocolate I can fit in my bag 21:34 cait chocolate is cheating abit... but... chocolate! 21:35 cait those chocolate kiwis are adorable 21:35 cait i've seen gummies (is that the word?) the other day too 21:35 cait so cute 21:36 cait ok... now i think chocolate. 21:36 cait davidnind: you are mean heh 21:36 * cait will just write chocolate on all the tst plans now :) 21:37 cait davidnind: is there something you are interested in from Gemrany? 21:37 davidnind oh no, what have I done :-D 21:38 cait this would be a german brand, but i believe it's also in part available in US and NZ (an dnot sure if the website translates) https://www.ritter-sport.de/de/produkte/ 21:38 cait i really like salted honey almonds :) 21:41 davidnind willing to try different things, but generally not very adventurous.. 21:42 davidnind feeling hungry now (even though I just had breakfast! 21:43 davidnind website translates fine - they all look tasty! 21:44 davidnind licorice https://www.rjslicorice.co.nz/products/ 21:45 cait oh rjs... i love those 21:45 cait you managed to make it worse :) 21:46 cait rangi got me addicted at the first nz kohacon - they were in the conference bags 21:49 davidnind hehe - I'd better stop now, don't want to make you not happy! 21:50 davidnind that's such a great idea, putting addictive confectionery in conference bags! 22:44 kidclamp cait+++±+++++++++ 23:02 lukeG Good night Koha! 23:28 Yuban hola, tengo una duda sobre Koha 3,12, Como realizo una modificación a un módulo? Tengo que hacerlo desde Administración de Koha o tengo que tocar codigo perl. No me queda muy claro 23:33 Yuban hola? 23:41 davidnind Hi Yuban. What are you trying to do? (I am using google translate, so hopefully I can try and help!) 23:41 Yuban quiero personalizar koha para una biblioteca 23:41 Yuban que necesito hacer 23:42 Yuban I need to customize Koha for a library. What I need to do? 23:42 Yuban I need to customize Koha for a library. What I need to do? 23:43 davidnind What do want to customize? 23:44 Yuban diseño, reglas 23:44 Yuban implementar plugins 23:45 amoyano Hola Yuban, para implementar plugins, te recomiendo que veas https://github.com/bywatersolutions/koha-plugin-kitchen-sink 23:46 amoyano Es un template para crear nuevos plugins 23:46 davidnind Koha has lots of system preferences - these let you configure Koha. Maybe some of them will work? 23:47 Yuban necesito mover de lugar algunos controles de koha, para que se adapten al diseño del sitio web. Donde modifico eso? 23:48 amoyano Si se puede hacer desde css, deberÃas modificar en koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/css 23:49 davidnind If you want to customize how the catalogue looks, then you can change the CSS - https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_simple_themeing_guide (in english) 23:49 Yuban Tengo que programar algo? 23:49 Yuban No soy experto 23:50 amoyano si los cambios son para intranet.. si los cambios los quieres hacer en opac serÃa en koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/bootstrap/css 23:50 amoyano Probablemente necesites llamar a alguien que conozca css 23:51 Yuban muy bien. Gracias por su ayuda 23:51 amoyano Suerte 23:52 Yuban Solo una ultima cosa. 23:52 davidnind For 3.12 http://manual.koha-community.org/3.12/es/impopac.html 23:52 Yuban El comportamiento de los modulos, se puede moficiar 23:53 Yuban modificar? 23:56 davidnind If you need to change how Koha works - a new feature or an enhancement - the recommended approach is to file a bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/ 23:56 davidnind You can also create plugins, but I don't know how to do that. 23:58 Yuban vale. Gracias 23:58 davidnind Koha 3.12 is now quite old. Are you able to upgrade or test what you want to do on the latest version of Koha (18.11). You may find that what you want to do has already been fixed or has been added in a newer version.