Time  Nick          Message
04:55 librartech    hi
04:55 librartech    any one can help
04:56 librartech    i can make a place hold on koha
04:56 librartech    the message is "There are no items that can be place on Hold "
04:56 librartech    can you help check please
05:10 gtb           hi
05:10 wahanui       kia ora, gtb
05:12 gtb           i am stuck with a new install of koha and books wont check in due to a data issue
05:12 gtb           where is the best place to describe the issue to get support please?
06:07 fridolin      hi
06:21 marcelr       hi #koha
06:43 reiveune      hello
06:43 wahanui       hola, reiveune
06:43 alex_a        bonjour
06:43 wahanui       que tal, alex_a
07:09 ashimema      bug 18584 - QA sprint..
07:09 ashimema      on your marks
07:09 huginn`       Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18584 trivial, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , Our legacy code contains trailing-spaces
07:09 ashimema      set
07:09 ashimema      go....
08:20 cait          morning #koha
08:26 ashimema      good morning cait
08:26 ashimema      one to lighten your day.. bug 18584
08:26 huginn`       Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18584 trivial, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , Our legacy code contains trailing-spaces
08:26 ashimema      plus.. it'll make own happy
08:27 cait          it will be done before own appears
08:27 cait          bug 22682 - spam?
08:27 huginn`       Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22682 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Billing - Billing Rest API is not working as expected
08:28 cait          we don't have any billing api in 18.05 as far as i cantell
08:33 ashimema      Billing..what's Billing
08:33 ashimema      lol
08:36 cait          i thought maybe invoices or accounts
08:36 cait          but to my knowledge there is neither
08:36 ashimema      :confused:
08:37 ashimema      feels like perhaps they're looking at another Koha
08:55 sab_          i am struggling to get inventory report. is there a way to run command through terminal our size of total barcodes is more than 1 lakh even if we split this file how will report be generated
10:07 * oleonard    waves
10:29 sab_          i am struggling to get inventory report. is there a way to run command through terminal our size of total barcodes is more than 1 lakh even if we split this file how will report be generated
10:29 wahanui       i already had it that way, sab_.
10:29 sab_          but how to exactly handle
10:29 oleonard      sab_: Ignore wahanui, he's a bot
10:30 sab_          my browser throws error and no report
10:30 sab_          oh
10:30 sab_          sorry
10:30 oleonard      sab_: I don't know much about inventory, but I'm curious why splitting the file isn't a possibility
10:32 sab_          splitting file has limitation of how many lines
10:32 sab_          i tried that as well
10:32 sab_          i am surprised how all other libraries handling this part
10:32 sab_          i searched a lot on irc log then mailing list archive but very little information is found
10:33 oleonard      Have you tried asking on the mailing list?
10:33 sab_          i did nt ask
10:33 sab_          i will now then ask
10:33 sab_          but thought if anyone can help on irc
10:34 oleonard      sab_: You never know who is going to be around on IRC, this just turned out to be a bad time
10:34 sab_          ok ok
10:34 sab_          thnx
10:34 sab_          wll put up on mailing list
10:50 vfernandes    hi #koha
10:53 vfernandes    i'm getting this error updating from an older 3.20 installation
10:53 vfernandes    Use of uninitialized value in multiplication (*) at /KEEPS/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl line 13571. Upgrade to 16.06.00.043 done (Bug 13323 - Change the tax rate on receiving)
10:53 huginn`       Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13323 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, CLOSED FIXED, Change the tax rate on receiving
10:54 vfernandes    the problem is that tax_order (previously called gstrate) is NULL in every aqorder
10:55 vfernandes    what I can do to avoid the error? set tax_order = 1?
11:00 oleonard      Hi vfernandes and josef_moravec
11:01 josef_moravec hi oleonard
11:01 wahanui       hi oleopard
11:02 tcohen        morning all
11:12 kidclamp      morning
11:12 marcelr       hi kidclamp
11:15 magnuse       \o/
11:19 ashimema      morning gang from afar
11:26 oleonard      Now that we're all here, let's break some stuff!!
11:31 * kidclamp    grabs his hammer
11:50 cait          kidclamp: not very subtle :)
11:56 cait          ashimema++
12:52 oleonard      cait++
13:07 coyas         hello
13:07 coyas         someone here
13:07 oleonard      Yes coyas ask a question if you have one
13:08 coyas         i remove data from koha database, it is still show that data when i search for it
13:10 coyas         I search for this issue on the net
13:10 coyas         but no success
13:11 oleonard      Was that your message to the Koha list earlier?
13:12 oleonard      coyas: How did you remove the data from the database?
13:17 coyas         i erase from mysql and then i cansel the imporrt file on koha tools
13:19 oleonard      coyas: I'm not sure what's going on, but I do know that bibliographic data is stored in more than one place. I wonder if something is left over.
13:19 coyas         i find something that say to rebuild zebra index but
13:19 coyas         where is that place where koha store data
13:20 kidclamp      there should be a rebuild switch that deletes the current indexes, but  I don't know off top of my head
13:20 coyas         bibliographic data
13:20 kidclamp      the biblios/register dir is where the indexes are
13:20 magnuse       try to run koha-rebuild-zebra -f
13:21 magnuse       if you just deleted the data from the data it will be left in the search indexes of zebra
13:21 magnuse       *from the database
13:21 magnuse       encoding problems will be the death of me...
13:24 coyas         someone knows how to update data using other exportation without duplicate the data
13:27 coyas         export fix some data with marcedit and then import again, if i do this the actual data will be duplicated or updated?
13:28 coyas         who know this?
13:28 oleonard      coyas: It will be updated if you have some record-matching rules set up
13:29 oleonard      Administration -> Record matching rules
13:29 oleonard      There are probably some default ones there
13:30 oleonard      If you're exporting from Koha, updating, and re-importing you could use a biblionumber matching rule
13:30 oleonard      https://koha-community.org/manual/18.11/en/html/administration.html?highlight=matching#record-matching-rules
13:38 wizzyrea      hi friends
13:39 wizzyrea      the easiest way to nuke the indexes is to add one new biblio, then reindex
13:39 wizzyrea      for whatever reason it won't always delete the indexes when you delete all of the biblios
13:40 wizzyrea      then you can import whatever you've got, delete your dummy
13:40 wizzyrea      and reindex the lot
13:40 wizzyrea      and you should be all clean
13:40 kidclamp      you can also use marcedit integration to change marc and push updates, it uses the 999c for matching i think
13:40 vfernandes    merging two records using ElasticSearch needs an enhancement... every item modification leads to the indexing of the origin record and the destination record... imagine this one record with 1000 items
13:41 vfernandes    *imagine this with one record with 1000 items
13:42 vfernandes    1000 items -> 2000 record reindex
13:45 wizzyrea      hmm
13:48 coyas         hello
13:49 coyas         the way to stop deleted data appears on koha search is add new biblio(new koha instance)!
13:49 coyas         hmm
13:51 cait          not instance
13:51 cait          just a record so the index is reset
13:51 coyas         how can i do that? i erase all data from mysql
13:52 cait          so you removed not only the bibliographic data but you deleted the database?
13:52 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 19670: DBRev 18.12.00.041 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f7869ad48b8f2f86f2b912aad1c3dcbd1a5679c1>
13:52 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 22680: Compiled CSS <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d498c2563d76c05a1e819d63d8b56f732c3a7768>
13:52 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 22626: (RM follow-up) Adjust column after 12166 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a1eba24391b4653f842a1767a48ac8b9f470b8ea>
13:52 cait          what are you trying to do?
13:52 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 12166: DBRev 18.12.00.040 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5768ea9532e0ee19b77346e2ba13681339b18017>
13:52 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 22680: OPAC language footer not positioned correctly <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d8a196cc9decd19a5401907adc64c7dee80a0c55>
13:52 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 22626: 'Filter paid transactions' broken on Transactions tab in staff <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9c0197a8d1b1a29f28de4b91e6605ae0a1088235>
13:52 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 19630: Removed constant message from Status column <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=08f02c1aa5a6ae1f1ee3b10a086831c1a2dbcb66>
13:52 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 22121: Display 'Price paid' on ILL requests according to CurrencyFormat pref <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1493c42e7bae5bffab430072587b7aa0527f6fc7>
13:52 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 13629: SingleBranchMode removes both library and availability search from advance... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7acb5394e1f62728c90a1d18e988c23a3e2862d2>
13:52 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 14358: Changing the module refreshes the page and resets library choice <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=edf173e6ef1fa6de6e07f41c229799733456901a>
13:52 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 21659: Change link to basket group edit page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9cbc5f2aa072ec41a70fd1fa1de4f684fcd695e9>
13:52 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 22634: Standardize table creation for stockrotation* tables in kohastructure.sql <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fbdb2b2be009140be6f9b5b84c765741bc828a3c>
13:52 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 22631: Make links on barcode on hold summary page consistent (bug 21070) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b215c7d55195a4912fb3ab585aba6ee44581f746>
13:52 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 22624: Show OPAC description for authorised values in OPAC <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3323a428eaf662a0ba1a31b2cb56002a7372461a>
13:52 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 19630: Added Status column to Patron Holds table <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ccc2b4b073113b2c0603437b5a84d4544ede16e4>
13:52 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 19670: Change Collation of marc_field to allow mixed case mappings <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a5f3d405f56202beb4426da52f3bf4019f26484b>
13:52 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 19497: Removed title (tooltip) from Edit button in items_search_fields.tt <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=968c888e1579ab28ec165819a011612d8b8f5570>
13:52 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 21659: Fix links to basket groups from order receive page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3db5feb900d3e6a6400767c771afe78bab0fa880>
13:52 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 22472: Make column_exists early return if the table does not exist <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7208ac6196a8619dbb0cca3b6f01480f4c46cab1>
13:52 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 22472: Add tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=19b9aacfbae616f7198cd93ebdbd97115d204c5b>
13:52 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 22444: currencies_manage permission doesn't provide link to manage currencies... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=761b410f99cbbfff8e353c538fde2b6816408795>
13:52 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 21263: Pickup library not set correctly when using Default holds policy <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=275dee5f9b9a26b3490bf3646c71c78a2d8647eb>
13:53 oleonard      My favorite kind of channel bomb
13:54 cait          :)
13:54 coyas         no i delete on the data not the db
13:54 coyas         *only the data
13:56 coyas         if i delete the db koha will go down
13:56 cait          so why can't you catalog a new record then?
13:57 coyas         when i import the data again, it will be duplicated, and i don't understand that,
13:57 oleonard      It won't be duplicated if it's not really there
13:57 coyas         why? if i delete all data
13:58 coyas         maybe not inside a db
13:58 cait          you need to do a full reindex then
13:58 coyas         but on the koha search engine will show me duplicated data
13:58 cait          the index and the db are 2 separate things
13:58 cait          yes, do a full reindex
13:59 coyas         i try to rebuild zebra index but the data still there
13:59 cait          what comman ddi you use?
13:59 coyas         i can i do a full reindex
14:00 coyas         koha-rebuild-zebra -v -f library
14:00 oleonard      coyas: The suggestion is: Catalog a single record in Koha. Do a full reindex. Re-import your data.
14:05 vfernandes    oleonard: should I fill a bug to the merge problem?
14:06 oleonard      I suppose, vfernandes, but I don't know anything about it!
14:13 wizzyrea      it sounds like a case worth exploring, i'd file a bug
14:19 vfernandes    bug 22690
14:19 huginn`       Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22690 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Merging problem with records with many items (ElasticSearch)
14:21 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_D9 build #703: SUCCESS in 27 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/703/
14:29 calire        oleonard++
14:30 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_D8 build #209: STILL UNSTABLE in 37 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/209/
14:31 * andreashm   waves
14:33 wizzyrea      i have a lovely warm fuzzy feeling seeing all those things we've fixed being pushed
14:33 cait          :)
14:34 * cait        wishes her cold would just move on from crazy sneezy mess :(
14:35 cait          sorry, just being grumpy
14:36 eythian       at least you can get pseudoephedrine!
14:36 cait          ?
14:36 eythian       I have to go to Germany or the UK to get it.
14:36 eythian       cold medicine.
14:36 eythian       the stuff that actually works
14:36 cait          huh
14:37 cait          what is it called here?
14:37 eythian       pseudoephedrine hydrochloride
14:37 eythian       it's in Asprin Complex
14:37 cait          ah no, aspirin doesn't like me
14:38 eythian       well, it's not aspirin, it's an ingredient in that particular type by that brand
14:38 andreashm     Any thoughts on which 18.11 version is most stable/bug-free? The latest?
14:38 cait          always the latest
14:38 wizzyrea      aren't you the rmaint?
14:38 wizzyrea      >.>
14:38 eythian       cait: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoephedrin#Handelsnamen
14:39 andreashm     18.11.03?
14:40 cait          wizzyrea: nope - lucas g and jesse m are i think
14:40 cait          eh ashimema for 18.11
14:40 * cait        blames cold brain
14:40 andreashm     =)
14:42 andreashm     or wait, 18.11.04 is the latest? Anyone using that in production?
14:42 cait          not yet, but I did a demo and nothign exploded
14:43 cait          I was very impressed
14:50 koha-jenkins  Yippee, build fixed!
14:50 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_U18 build #197: FIXED in 29 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/197/
14:51 cait          [off] I am seeing something odd, only when not logged in and only on the record with star ratings, there shows 'log in to add tags' with a slightly broken icon http://librarygeekgirl.de/pics/Selection_009.png
14:53 cait          ok, has nothing to do with star ratings, it's laways the first record in the result list
14:53 cait          wizzyrea: do you see that too by chance?
14:54 oleonard      I see it not quite as broken, but similar
14:57 cait          ok, food first, then i can file it
15:15 wizzyrea      1s
15:15 ashimema_     seems my irc bouncer is dead today :(
15:16 wizzyrea      i see the little arrow on the detail as well
15:17 wizzyrea      or the little artifact, I guess
15:18 coyas         my issue is done
15:18 coyas         thank u
15:19 wizzyrea      actually do you think it's odd that "log in to add tags" is only on the first reult?
15:19 wizzyrea      result
15:19 ashimema_     andreashm 18.11.04 feels reasonably stable to me.. we have a few big university customers currently putting it through it's paces with an aim of upgrading to 18.11.x series for the next academic year.. they tend to run at least oldstable behind
15:21 ashimema_     my general advice (and it might sound a bit cowardly and cautious) is to run oldstable and track it.. that's usually the best mix of stable + new.. stable itself is great if you're wanting all the new stuff and you're happy to jump in and report and fix bugs when they do inevitably get found
15:22 * ashimema_   likes stable and has been rmaint for it twice in a row now.. I found by .04 my job got easier (and as such it felt like the branch had reached maturity enough that few would find bugs in it)
15:23 ashimema_     in other thoughts.. anyone fancy testing some 'pretty'? bug 21662 and bug 21626 might be nice little additions ;).. they're NSO but really they're seeking feedback more than anything else at this point :)
15:23 huginn`       Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21662 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Needs Signoff , Missing Developers from history
15:23 huginn`       Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21626 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Needs Signoff , Add 'current maintenance team' to the 'Koha team' page
15:23 ashimema_     especially from oleonard perhaps ;)
15:23 * ashimema_   had a spare half hour over lunch today to resurrect them
15:27 wizzyrea      i can look at those maybe
15:28 wizzyrea      cait about
15:28 wizzyrea      oh wait she said food
15:28 wizzyrea      i've been slowly pondering 22579
15:29 wizzyrea      I think maybe it was a mistake to put all of the things in an action drop down
15:29 wizzyrea      the librarians are right, two clicks instead of one is annoying there
15:29 wizzyrea      even a split button makes it automatically 2 clicks instead of one to do anything
15:30 oleonard      Keep in mind that one of the reasons for the menu was to fix the problem where the table was too wide for the individual buttons to all be visible
15:30 cait          reading back
15:31 wizzyrea      what if
15:32 wizzyrea      we made the title clickable to show one of the preview modes
15:32 oleonard      Isn't that still the same number of clicks?
15:32 wizzyrea      (leaving all of them in the action bar)
15:32 cait          split gives you one action with one click
15:32 cait          but i think ours would favourite import
15:32 cait          not preview
15:33 cait          so hard to get it right here for everyone
15:33 wizzyrea      yeah, i'd 100% put import on the main
15:33 wizzyrea      both of the previews on the drop
15:33 wizzyrea      *and* link the title to one of the preview modes
15:34 wizzyrea      for their use case, it'd be card, but I think by default it should be MARC
15:34 cait          a pref for that seems a bit much
15:34 cait          but i like the idea of the split button with import
15:34 wizzyrea      yeah I don't want a pref
15:35 cait          but hwo woudl they switchto marc?
15:35 cait          i like card default too
15:35 cait          but marc makes more sense i guess
15:35 cait          jquery?
15:35 wahanui       jquery is a JavaScript library which is included with Koha and which can be used to apply customizations to Koha by leveraging the opacuserjs and intranetuserjs system preferences.
15:36 wizzyrea      i mean it does make a bit of sense to link something on that title
15:37 wizzyrea      import ought to definitely be a "I intend to do this" explicit action
15:37 cait          yep
15:37 cait          do you want to suggest that to hayley?
15:37 wizzyrea      but which one by default, that's tough
15:38 wizzyrea      i mean, oleonard hasn't said anything about the idea of putting a link on the title
15:38 oleonard      Usually when we link a title that takes you to a different page for viewing more information, so I think people would expect some variation of that
15:40 ashimema_     I agree.. it would break convention to do otherwise.. and one rule I regard highly in UX is consistency
15:40 ashimema_     that said.. I don't have any better ideas :(
15:41 wizzyrea      well a different page is kind of say, a preview?
15:42 nlegrand      Bonjour #koha!
15:42 wizzyrea      it's just a thought, honestly they're trying to solve a problem for a client which I understand
15:42 wizzyrea      but also, things change in systems
15:42 wizzyrea      they will get used to it
15:42 cait          i sitll think we shold do the split button
15:42 cait          i like that one
15:43 wizzyrea      it doesn't solve their problem of two clicks really
15:43 nlegrand      I was wondering, is there documentation about shortkeys in staff interface? I just found about alt+u, alt+r and alt+q in some bugzilla.
15:43 nlegrand      o/ cait
15:44 oleonard      nlegrand: The only other one is alt+w for renew
15:45 wizzyrea      https://koha-community.org/manual/18.11/en/html/cataloging.html?highlight=shortcuts#advanced-editor-cataloging
15:45 wizzyrea      there are a bunch in the advanced cataloguing editor
15:45 wizzyrea      https://koha-community.org/manual/18.11/en/html/circulation.html?highlight=keyboard
15:46 wizzyrea      they are in the manual :)
15:51 nlegrand      oleonard: thank you!
15:52 wizzyrea      nlegrand, ^ those links are for you
15:54 nlegrand      wizzyrea: great, thanks
15:56 oleonard      Just spent way too long trying to figure out why patron images weren't showing up in self checkout and then they magically reappear. :|
15:56 wizzyrea      O.o
15:57 nlegrand      I still can extend and add shortcuts like this right? https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/JQuery_Library#Keyboard_shortcuts_to_quickly_change_tab_while_showing_or_editing_MARC_records
15:58 wizzyrea      i believe that still works yes
16:25 oleonard      fridolin around?
16:25 fridolin      oleonard: yep
16:25 coyas         who has a tutorial or idea about creating a new section page of koha like the main opan (like cms)
16:26 coyas         teach me, please
16:26 oleonard      fridolin: Did I hear you say something about whether you will be releasing another 17.11.x?
16:26 fridolin      oleonard: yep i plan to release the last one at end of the month
16:27 oleonard      Okay thanks
16:30 fridolin      oleonard: you need something in it ?
16:30 oleonard      No nothing in particular, was just curious
16:42 fridolin      oki doki
16:55 eythian       https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/apr/10/extraordinary-500-year-old-library-catalogue-reveals-books-lost-to-time-libro-de-los-epitomes
17:03 oleonard      wizzyrea, kidclamp: Thinking about using some kind of visual indicator like this: https://zivotdesign.com/p/view.php?p=15550021303140
17:03 oleonard      ...re: Bug 21946
17:03 huginn`       Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21946 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nick, Needs Signoff , Group circulation by item type
17:03 * oleonard    bbl
17:03 kidclamp      fancy!
17:50 oleonard      What is going on with C4/SIP/SIPServer.pm that the file is always "busy" ??
18:01 * oleonard    is pretty sure he had this problem before...
21:14 reiveune      bye
21:18 wizzyrea      oleonard-away, I don't think we need both in that column
21:18 wizzyrea      I really don't not if they're already grouped