Time Nick Message 05:37 fridolin hi there 06:12 ashimema :D 06:12 ashimema 10! 06:21 magnuse ashimema++ for RM! 06:21 ashimema :) 06:25 magnuse then you can sneak in all the crazy ill goodies without anyone noticing! 06:28 ashimema lol 06:41 reiveune hello 06:43 magnuse bonjour reiveune 06:57 alex_a bonjour 07:05 magnuse kia ora alex_a 07:08 ashimema alex_a 07:08 ashimema Are you still interested in / working on bug 8137 07:08 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8137 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, alex.arnaud, Failed QA , Checkout limit by patron category for all libraries 07:09 ashimema I've got a customer wanting to test it 08:22 * ashimema wants the QA scripts to magically run the relevant tests.. it's all too easy to forget to run them 08:22 ashimema @later tell cait I'm catching up ;) 08:22 huginn` ashimema: The operation succeeded. 09:01 cait hay_fever-- 09:03 cait good morning all 09:06 cait oh, that's quiet 09:08 ashimema hi 09:08 cait life! :D 09:09 tuxayo o/ cait ashimema 09:12 magnuse hiya cait ashimema tuxayo 09:13 magnuse anyone familiar with how "Netloan PC Bookings" talks to SIP2? 09:16 cait sorry, never heard of it 09:17 ashimema we have customers using it I think 09:17 ashimema I leave SIP configs to others here though.. 09:18 ashimema anything in particular you're struggling with magnuse 09:18 ashimema is bug 11573 still a thing? 09:20 cait bug 11573 09:20 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11573 normal, P5 - low, ---, wizzyrea, Failed QA , change description of rental charges in account fines 09:20 cait i believe so 09:20 ashimema no idea why that didn't work first time 09:20 cait but it might be a duplicate 09:20 cait let me check 09:21 ashimema looks like it's not been touched in nearly 3 years 09:21 ashimema still.. I've ressurected older recently 09:22 cait there was a patch from caroline recently 09:22 cait i am looking for it 09:22 ashimema the patches on this one are wierd.. 09:23 cait i think we might be able to close this one as duplicate: bug 17413 09:23 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17413 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Translatability: Rental fee, Renewal of Rental Item etc. are hard coded 09:24 ashimema a quick glance at the code make's me think it doesn't stand a chance of working 09:24 ashimema excellent 09:24 wahanui darn tootin' it is. 09:24 cait still looking for the other bug i was thinking of 09:25 magnuse ashimema: netloan blames a problem on koha, so i wonder when it actually talks to koha/sip2 - just when a reservastion is made, or also when the patron tries to "use" the reservation 09:25 cait ah found it, but it was another related one: bug 21953 09:25 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21953 minor, P5 - low, ---, caroline.cyr-la-rose, Failed QA , Term "Lost item" is untranslatable 09:27 ashimema hmm 09:31 * cait tries to interpret hmm and fails 09:33 cait i feel we really need to do something about the pay form 09:33 ashimema huh? 09:33 ashimema what are you trying to interpret cait? 09:33 cait [off] http://librarygeekgirl.de/pics/Selection_006.png 09:34 cait i entered the amount i want to pay, it's less than the amount i owe... and the system tells me that i need to give change? 09:34 ashimema erm.. that's plain wrong 09:34 cait is it just the labelling being confusing and i entered it wrong... or what's going on there? 09:34 ashimema I find those fields really confusing now 09:34 ashimema why do we need 'outstanding, 09:34 cait same 09:34 ashimema 'paid' and 'collected' 09:34 ashimema having all three is just wierd 09:35 cait outstanding makes sense... to me 09:35 cait it's the total on the account due 09:35 cait but we used to nly have amount paid 09:35 ashimema indeed 09:35 ashimema but all three just confuses matter 09:35 cait i have no idea what the collect from is for 09:35 cait ah 09:35 ashimema what the 'collect from patron' there for at all? 09:35 cait i guess i know say: i want to pay 6 but i gave you 13.20... 09:35 cait but... that's just super odd 09:35 cait and i don't want to enter 2 fields 09:36 ashimema totally 09:37 ashimema isn't it a bit strange to allow someone to hand over a £20 when they owe £10 but allow them to only pay £5. 09:37 ashimema feels like a really fringe case.. might happen very ocassionally in real life 09:38 ashimema but surely you just calculate the change yourself at that point 09:39 ashimema want me to rescue bug 21953 cait 09:39 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21953 minor, P5 - low, ---, caroline.cyr-la-rose, Failed QA , Term "Lost item" is untranslatable 09:39 ashimema sorta looks like it won't get any love otherwise 10:16 cait wizzycray: could you take a look at bug 22359 please? looking for opinions 10:16 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22359 enhancement, P5 - low, 19.05, koha-bugs, NEW , Improve usability of 'change calculation' (bug 11373) 10:29 greenjimll Just to join in the chorus, I asked the guys here about due/paid/collected and they think its nuts too. :-) 10:31 cait ashimema: yes plz 10:31 cait greenjimll: can you comment on the bug please? I tink it could give it some push 10:32 cait greenjimll: I feel a bit lonely there right now :) 10:32 cait also if you have ideas how to fix it 10:38 greenjimll cait: which of the bugs mentioned this morning is the one that needs the comment? 10:38 cait bug 22359 10:38 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22359 normal, P5 - low, 19.05, koha-bugs, NEW , Improve usability of 'change calculation' (bug 11373) 10:38 cait for the change cash thing 10:48 greenjimll OK, comment made. The only thing we could thing of is if some sites need to reconcile Koha payment records to ones from an EPOS till system. 10:48 greenjimll s/thing of/think of/ 10:52 cait greenjimll: i just commented back 10:52 cait i think the idea was to help people calculate 10:53 cait but I tihnk it needs to step back to be more optional 11:02 cait trying to see where we build the table of saved reports to fix bug 22357 11:02 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22357 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Every run of runreport.pl with --store-results creates a new row in saved reports 11:09 ashimema bug 21953 back to SO for a final quick QA run on the two followups I added. 11:09 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21953 minor, P5 - low, ---, caroline.cyr-la-rose, Signed Off , Term "Lost item" is untranslatable 11:13 cait i have a fix... bt i am not sure why the line I deleted was there in the first place :( 11:19 cait ashimema: did you mean to touch bug 12156? 11:19 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12156 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Merging staged records with no 952c with records created in acquisitions loses data from both 11:20 cait ah already fixed 11:20 josef_moravec cait: see bug 17535, it added the line you are going to remove in bug 22357 11:20 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17535 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, CLOSED FIXED, Regression: Search for reports by keywords 11:20 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22357 major, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Every run of runreport.pl with --store-results creates a new row in saved reports 11:20 cait thx josef_moravec! 11:20 ashimema er no.. 11:21 ashimema not seen 12156 before 11:21 ashimema did I do sometihng>?# 11:21 ashimema :confused: 11:22 cait josef_moravec: this code is quite confusing 11:22 cait i am not even sure what it would do with saved_reports as we are not searching there 11:22 cait or do we really want to search in results? 11:22 josef_moravec cait: I don't think so 11:23 josef_moravec before 17535, the test was broken, is it passing after your fix? 11:23 josef_moravec for now? 11:23 cait hm it looks like we do 11:24 cait http://paste.koha-community.org/2622 11:24 cait i am going to fail my patch... but given that I am really not sure how to fix it, someone else might have to have a go 11:28 cait josef_moravec: i had a feeling thi swas not going to be so easy... but as the bug hasn#t received much attention so far :) 11:28 cait do you have a clue how we could fix this right? 11:29 josef_moravec cait: sadly no, to be honest, I do not know the reports code much... 11:30 cait it's quite confusing 11:30 cait maybe the link to the other bug will wake up Joubu 11:31 * ashimema thinks Joubu is happily sunning himself on a beach somewhere 11:32 * cait misses him 11:33 ashimema me too 11:44 magnuse ashimema, AndrewIsh: do you think there is a chance bug 22280 got solved as a side effect of something else? i can't seem to reproduce the problem on master 11:44 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22280 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , The ILL module assumes every status needs a next/previous status 11:46 cait can someone remind me how to fix htis? [NoNodes] ** No nodes are available: [localhost:9200], called from sub Search::Elasticsearch::Role::Client::Direct::__ANON__ at /home/vagrant/kohaclone/Koha/SearchEngine/Elasticsearch/Indexer.pm line 382.kohadev-koha@kohadevbox:/home/vagrant/kohaclone$ exit 11:49 cait i started the service, but the status is red 11:49 cait http://paste.koha-community.org/2623 11:51 kidclamp check var/log/elasticsearch/elasticsearch.log 11:51 kidclamp the service didn't start for some reason 11:54 magnuse not enough tuits! 12:08 oleonard Hi all 12:15 AndrewIsh magnuse: Nothing springs to mind that could have mitigated that bug! 12:16 magnuse gah 12:16 magnuse i better test more carefully, then 12:27 cait kidclamp: running out to meet a friend for icecream - maybe if oyu are still around later we can have a look at elastic? 12:29 kidclamp sure 13:15 magnuse why don't we have autocomplete="off" on fields where you search for patron data like name etc? 13:16 oleonard There was a bug that did that some time ago... maybe some exceptions have crept in? 13:18 oleonard Bug 5009 13:18 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5009 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, CLOSED FIXED, add autocomplete="off" to borrowernumbers and barcode forms 13:18 oleonard Bug 12283 13:18 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12283 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, pasi.kallinen, RESOLVED FIXED, Set autocomplete=off for patron search input 13:28 oleonard Bug 22553 13:28 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22553 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Unchecking a subpermission does not uncheck the top level permission 13:29 magnuse thanks oleonard 13:29 MauBR Hello friends good mornign (depending your country :)). I have a question, please help me. I am trying to edit the 000 header field, 18 subfield but in administration / Marc structure the 000 field does not shows the subfields inside 000 header... where can I find the subfields for edit??? 13:31 oleonard I think strictly speaking 000 doesn't have subfields, MauBR 13:31 oleonard Are you using MARC21? 13:32 oleonard MauBR: When you edit the subfields for 000 do you see just the "@" tab? 13:33 MauBR Hello Leonard. Yes I am using MARC. I need to edit the value of the 18th position of the header 000. In my case it shows "a- AACR 2", but i want to change it to default value: "i- Incluye puntuación ISBD" 13:34 MauBR but I do not know where to change it. 13:34 MauBR yes I see the @ tab 13:35 oleonard As far as I know there is no setting to change that 13:36 oleonard But you could probably do it with some custom JavaScript. Let me give it a try. 13:37 MauBR Thank you Leonard. 13:39 oleonard MauBR: Do you currently have any code in the intranetuserjs system preference? 13:39 MauBR let me see 13:40 MauBR No i dont Leonard 13:41 pastebot "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "MauBR: Add this to the intranetuserjs system preference:" (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/2624 13:42 MauBR ok 13:42 MauBR should I restart apache after that? 13:43 oleonard No 13:43 MauBR Leonard, it works!!! Thank you very much! no need to restart apache. 13:44 oleonard :) 13:44 MauBR :) 13:48 wizzycray hi 13:48 wahanui hello, wizzycray 13:48 oleonard Hi wizzyrea 13:49 wizzyrea hello hello 13:49 * oleonard pictures wizzyrea turning into wizzycray after a certain amount of time in #koha, which is why she's wizzycray when she logs back in 13:49 wizzyrea or maybe cray because of too much time away ;) 13:50 oleonard That's more like it :D 13:50 wizzyrea ^.^ 13:51 * wizzyrea looks at the circulation home page and is JUST SIMPLY CHUFFED 13:51 wizzyrea it looks so good now. 13:51 wizzyrea sometimes I forget 14:01 fridolin https://wiki.biblibre.com/doc:koha:base_de_donnees:tips 14:01 fridolin liliputech_asu_away: ^ 14:05 oleonard wizzyrea++ 14:30 vfernandes hi #koha 14:31 vfernandes on opac-detail.pl we have the following if: [% IF ( MARCNOTES || notes || ( SyndeticsEnabled && SyndeticsSummary && SYNDETICS_SUMMARY )) %] 14:31 vfernandes MARCNOTES comes from method GetMarcNotes 14:31 vfernandes but i can't find from where notes are being calculated 14:32 vfernandes it's opac-detail.tt and not opac-detail.pl 14:32 oleonard vfernandes: I think it's looking for biblio.notes 14:32 wizzyrea hm, aren't the notes usually in the 500 fields? 14:32 vfernandes hummm that's it 14:33 oleonard biblio.notes is kinda obsolete since MARC came along. 14:33 vfernandes in MARC21 the notes are in 500 fields, in UNIMARC in 300 fields 14:33 wizzyrea so more like thinking about what what kind of paint it needs, rather than the colour. 14:33 wizzyrea er lol 14:34 wizzyrea 1694 # Field 5XX$u always contains URI 14:34 wizzyrea 1695 # Examples: 505u, 506u, 510u, 514u, 520u, 530u, 538u, 540u, 542u, 552u, 555u, 561u, 563u , 583u 14:34 wizzyrea in C4/Biblio.pm 14:34 wizzyrea for MARC21 14:35 wizzyrea but yeah it's grabbing them from the 500 fields 14:35 wizzyrea unless it's in the note blacklist syspref thingerdoodle 14:38 vfernandes the problem is that if MARCNOTES is empty (because of note blacklist), biblio.notes appear on note separator 14:38 wizzyrea ahh 14:38 wizzyrea always good to lead with the problem you are trying to solve :) 14:39 wizzyrea Are you saying you never want to see notes ever? 14:41 vfernandes I want to see the notes, but with blacklist working 14:42 wizzyrea ah, so you have notes in the biblio.notes that you don't want to see? 14:42 vfernandes yes 14:42 wizzyrea and you can't blacklist them? 14:42 wizzyrea because they're not marc ones 14:42 wizzyrea tricky 14:43 vfernandes https://catalogo.biblioteca.uab.pt/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=39375 14:44 vfernandes I have a 300 field note filled, the system preference NotesBlacklist is set to "300"... MARCNOTES is empty, so biblio.notes is shown instead 14:50 wizzyrea that seems like a bug, that you can't blacklist biblio.notes 14:57 wizzyrea cait about? 15:02 wizzyrea https://css-tricks.com/responsive-data-tables/ I like this 15:02 wizzyrea oleonard ^ 15:02 wizzyrea because you are not busy enough 15:02 wizzyrea kekekeke 15:02 wizzyrea I tease 15:04 oleonard We actually do a variation of that in the OPAC ...which could be improved 15:04 wizzyrea I want to see it on those tables in the intranet that don't smush 15:04 oleonard See the holdings table on opac-detail 15:04 oleonard Yeah of course 15:05 wizzyrea i mean so many things to fix >.< 15:11 oleonard Bug 15326 is making good progress. Still needs work, but getting a lot closer. 15:11 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15326 new feature, P5 - low, ---, aleisha, Failed QA , Add CMS feature 15:12 wizzyrea YASS 15:12 * oleonard hates to keep throwing it back when it has already taken so long, but... 15:12 wizzyrea *nod* 15:18 wizzyrea hm I dn't get any errors from the QA tool for that patchset? 15:18 wizzyrea on the CMS? 15:21 ashimema awesome oleonard__ 15:21 ashimema awesome oleonard++ even 15:21 pastebot "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "15326 QA tool failures" (29 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/2625 15:25 ashimema think those are all false failures 15:26 wizzyrea well those are new .pm 15:26 wizzyrea so if they don't have POD 15:26 * ashimema sort of wants to fix those but has been warned not to before by Joubu for some reason.. can't remember why 15:26 wizzyrea that's probably not great? 15:26 ashimema think it's basically just very hard to fix 15:26 wizzyrea it's not like they are less because they removed a sub or something 15:27 ashimema It's worth checking they have POD. 15:27 ashimema but they may well do.. that failure will still be there I think 15:27 ashimema unless my memory is serving me wrong 15:27 wizzyrea though I'd have to read how it comes to the conclusion that it's lesser coverage than before 15:27 wizzyrea because uh, how could it possibly be less on a new .pm? 15:27 ashimema maybe my memory is entirely failing me 15:29 wizzyrea omg I amust be very dense where do you even add pages 15:31 oleonard Tools -> Pages 15:32 wizzyrea well that is 100% not there 15:33 * wizzyrea resets the things 15:34 magnuse \o/ 15:38 * oleonard fakes his own death and starts a new life in Idaho o/ 15:39 wizzyrea I... what why 15:39 oleonard I was resetting all the things? 15:39 wizzyrea ohhh 15:39 wizzyrea well idaho is supposed to be under like 3 feet of snow soon 15:39 reiveune bye 15:39 wizzyrea or something 15:39 wahanui something is probably broken 15:39 wizzyrea bye 15:39 wizzyrea ooh just caught him yess 15:40 oleonard Ha 15:49 wizzyrea @seen mtompsett 15:49 huginn` wizzyrea: I have not seen mtompsett. 15:49 wizzyrea o rly 15:49 wizzyrea @seen mtompset 15:49 huginn` wizzyrea: mtompset was last seen in #koha 6 weeks, 6 days, 11 hours, 25 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: * mtompset collapses asleep. 15:50 wizzyrea gosh I hope he didn't collapse and not wake up :( 15:54 wizzyrea there it is jeez 15:56 wizzyrea man I'm gonna need a cookie or something before i test this 16:06 ashimema lol 16:06 * ashimema sends a bag of double chocolate chip cookies wizzyrea's way 16:06 wizzyrea golly thank you 16:14 oleonard I'm working from home all this week (which is unusual for me), and the temptation to go and make cookies is STRONG 16:15 ashimema do it, do it... 16:15 * ashimema chants in a teenage peer pressure manor 16:21 * oleonard saves all his idle time for petting the cat 16:32 ashimema good plan 16:33 wizzyrea no no you see 16:33 wizzyrea if you make the cookies 16:33 wizzyrea then while they are baking 16:33 wizzyrea you pet the cat 16:34 wizzyrea multitasking! 16:34 wizzyrea more task layering I guess 16:37 wizzyrea hi cait 16:37 * cait waves 16:38 * oleonard , mixing cookies, shouts "Alexa, fix Bug 14907!" 16:38 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14907 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Item search: Call Numbers in Item search results are ordered alphabetically 16:41 cait lol 16:41 cait if it was just that easy 16:42 ashimema hehe 16:42 cait but i would be slightly worried about her code 16:42 cait calling home 16:42 ashimema It's school hols here.. I'm so tempted to hollar 'Isobel fix...' 16:43 wizzyrea Isobel is a pretty name 16:43 ashimema but I've not got a bug to hand I can give her yet 16:43 ashimema shout if you have a bug a 10 year old can takle.. she's done a couple already.. mostly string changes. I think she wants a small step up :) 16:44 wizzyrea aw my kiddo is 11 16:44 cait i'll keep it in mind! 16:44 ashimema Don't think Amelia is up to it yet though.. she's only 4.. wow how the years fly by 16:44 cait true 16:44 cait she got one of the first onesies 16:45 cait hay_fever-- 16:47 ashimema 🙂 She did.. and I still have it in a memories box :) 16:48 ashimema Time for tea.. back in a bit.. 16:48 cait aaw :) 17:04 cait wizzyrea: oops 17:04 cait were you just testing bug 22069? 17:04 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22069 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Log viewer not displaying item renewals 17:04 cait i just changed the patch slightly 17:04 wizzyrea i was 17:04 wizzyrea which one do you like better? 17:05 wizzyrea if your two 17:05 wizzyrea the one I signed off works for all cases 17:05 wizzyrea do you have a preference? 17:06 cait I am not sure about yours 17:06 cait i think th eline is not needed 17:06 wizzyrea no no yours is better 17:06 wizzyrea ignore mine 17:06 cait i think RENEW will already be in actions 17:06 wizzyrea it doesn't seem to be because it works when that's in there, but it doesn't when it's not 17:07 cait i just removed the circulation condition... it won't hurt if it's added becuase it will still limit by module 17:07 wizzyrea but anyway yours does work 17:07 cait it's strange enough that bug was never noticed 17:07 wizzyrea well renewal log is default off 17:07 wizzyrea do you like your 2nd patch better? 17:08 wizzyrea third patch I guess 17:08 cait yep 17:08 wizzyrea ok :) 17:08 cait third was just a change on commit message 17:09 cait wizzyrea++ thx for testing 17:10 wizzyrea no worries, better to get them turned around while people are still thinking about it 17:10 wizzyrea (and yes I honestly did test it on all three patches) 17:19 cait oleonard++ wizzyrea++ # permissions bug 17:21 cait wizzyrea: could you maybe look into bug 22626 too? 17:21 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22626 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , 'Filter paid transactions' broken on Transactions tab in staff 17:22 wizzyrea sure 17:25 wizzyrea well that was easy to test :P 17:27 oleonard wizzyrea++ 17:27 wizzyrea so cait 17:27 wizzyrea on 22357 17:28 * oleonard does a double-take because he's working on 22537 17:28 wizzyrea does there maybe need to be another data structure for the saved results 17:28 wizzyrea that's independent of the reports themselves? 17:30 wizzyrea oleonard, on 3766 i think we should make another bug for roads 17:30 wizzyrea :P 17:31 wizzyrea and keep this one for streets 17:31 wizzyrea or cities 17:31 wizzyrea i mean 17:31 oleonard I'd certainly be fine with that 17:34 wizzyrea k done bug 22673 17:34 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22673 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Road types only on one address 17:36 wizzyrea right and commit message on that cities/town patch tidied up as well 17:41 oleonard Thanks wizzyrea 17:59 wizzyrea I feel like bug 16357 actually works 17:59 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16357 normal, P3, ---, mtj, Failed QA , Plack error logs are not time stamped 18:00 wizzyrea but it's hard to get people to test that 18:00 wizzyrea @kidclamp maybe you or khall want to have a go at testing that? or get larry to 18:00 huginn` wizzyrea: I suck 18:00 wizzyrea er no, I think it's me huginn` 18:04 * cait checkes the queue and gasps 18:04 cait i had that under 70 *grump* heh 18:04 cait but kidclamp's is going up too 18:05 wizzyrea yeah exactly 18:05 cait wizzyrea: i keep throwing things at you... bug 17674 missed last release... I'd still like to have that 18:05 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17674 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, charles.farmer, Needs Signoff , Allow UI to delete serials issues in batch 18:05 wizzyrea ohhh 18:05 cait just throw them back if you need me to stop 18:05 wizzyrea no no 18:05 wizzyrea this is what I do :) 18:07 wizzyrea it's good because I have a very linear way of going about the signoff list 18:07 wizzyrea and I'm happy to look at people's pets 18:07 wizzyrea pet bugs I mean 18:07 wizzyrea also pets but I meant pet bugs. 18:08 oleonard I'm happy to look at people's pets too 18:10 lukeG oleonard: UI designer/moonlighting veterinarian 18:10 * wizzyrea is an expert patter 18:10 * wizzyrea is super good at patting peoples pets. 18:11 oleonard lukeG: Definitely only in the pet-appreciation sense 18:11 cait i like cats? 18:11 cait *feels the group pressure* 18:12 oleonard https://zivotdesign.com/p/view.php?p=15548334871129 18:12 cait aaaaaw 18:12 cait what do you need me to stamp pqa? 18:12 oleonard I'll even look at people's actual pet bugs if anyone has one. 18:13 wizzyrea https://scontent-dfw5-2.cdninstagram.com/vp/c26bfb2cc6318280d6547e173cb3e211/5D3B35DB/t51.2885-15/e35/51023181_251913825723318_8328281837321601293_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.cdninstagram.com 18:13 wizzyrea terrible link I hope it works 18:13 wizzyrea is my poochie <3 <3 <3 18:14 oleonard Sweet dragon rider 18:16 oleonard Another one: https://zivotdesign.com/p/view.php?p=15548337517690 18:16 wizzyrea awwwwwwww 18:16 wizzyrea i think your cat might be broken though 18:17 oleonard I think my cat is still under warranty... Maybe when they fix him they can make him nice 18:17 wizzyrea oh snap 18:19 cait oleonard: don't say that.. i've got tons of pet bugs 18:20 oleonard cait: Tarantula? Hissing cockroach? 18:20 cait maybe 22601? looks like some kind of insect 18:22 wizzyrea tfw setting up test cases feels buuurdensooomeeee 18:22 wizzyrea it isn't of course 18:22 * oleonard sees if he can revive Bug 21891 18:22 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21891 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Remove non-XSLT detail view in the staff client 18:22 wizzyrea it just feels that way 18:23 cait that's a good one too 18:23 * cait pats it 18:31 * cait wonders if someone else thinks 'Payment, thanks' is odd 18:31 cait why the thanks? i mean we are polite... but 18:31 oleonard Yes, odd. 18:32 cait can we kill it? the three of us? :) 18:32 oleonard No one will ever find out! 18:32 cait hehe 18:32 cait i thought of us as a super hero team, but maybe we are villains 18:32 cait superlibrarians of the dark side 18:36 cait bug 22647 18:36 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22647 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Copy number should increment similar to barcode 18:43 cait hm 18:43 cait not that one 18:43 cait 22674 18:44 cait bug 22674 18:44 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22674 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Change wording of payments in the GUI 18:46 wizzyrea ok devil's advocate there 18:46 wizzyrea it is extremely common to put thanks on receipts and things in the US - and maybe I'd leave that thanks on in the OPAC 18:46 wizzyrea as the patron sees it 18:46 wizzyrea but it makes not a lot of sense in the intranet 18:47 cait but it's in a table 18:47 cait and not on a receipt 18:47 wizzyrea do we show the payment note thinger to the patron in the OPAC? 18:47 * wizzyrea looks 18:47 cait payment note? i am not sure 18:48 cait i think i have removed the thanks in trnaslation, germans are not so nice :P 18:48 cait or it might just be me 18:49 wizzyrea We do show that in the OPAC 18:49 cait hm? 18:49 wizzyrea the payment note 18:49 wizzyrea Payment, thanks 18:50 wizzyrea so patrons do see it 18:50 cait ah, i think we were talking different things 18:50 wizzyrea could* 18:50 cait there is a note field for payments too 18:50 cait that's description 18:50 wizzyrea well that's what I mean 18:50 cait yep 18:50 wizzyrea the description shows 18:50 cait yes 18:50 cait there are like 3 includes 18:51 cait that translate the codes into what shows there i think 18:51 wizzyrea I can 100% see that some places might not like that verbiate 18:51 cait so we could make it different for opac and staff 18:51 wizzyrea verbiage 18:51 * wizzyrea ponders 18:53 cait wizzyrea: different question, code for bug 3766 is still the same, right? 18:53 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3766 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Cities/Towns only on one address 18:53 wizzyrea that's right 18:53 cait because was almost finished testing yesterday :) 18:53 cait ok 18:54 cait that will speed things up a bit :) 18:54 wizzyrea yeah I just split off the roads as there was nothing done for roads in there 18:54 wizzyrea and put it in a new bug 18:54 wizzyrea and changed the title and the commit message 18:54 cait yep, fine with that 18:54 wizzyrea the original note references the roads but whatever 18:55 cait it#s a real old bug, i think this is nice already as is 18:55 wizzyrea yeah I have a strong suspicion that NZ might be one of the few places to have/commonly use the road types 18:56 wizzyrea (in koha, everywhere has road types) 18:56 cait they don't really make sense here 18:57 wizzyrea i mean to take the time to set up an authorised value to have them be consistently entered 18:57 cait Herosestraße 18:57 cait straße = street 18:57 cait it's part of the name, not separate 18:57 wizzyrea yeah that wouldn't make a lot of sense in german 18:57 cait becuase we Germans like to glue everything together 18:57 wizzyrea i like it 18:57 cait i tihnk in france it works too 18:57 cait i seem to remember having been told that at laest 18:58 wizzyrea for some reason in nz they really like having the street number and the street name and the street type separate 18:58 cait ourlong words often create issues 18:58 cait like tables being too small etc. becuase the browser can't break them over multiple lines like it works with English 19:00 wizzyrea yeah 19:07 cait nooo... 19:07 cait no more pet pics :( 19:08 wizzyrea oh well 19:08 wizzyrea I have more pictures :P 19:08 wizzyrea https://scontent-dfw5-2.cdninstagram.com/vp/a432f9ed95f8040471ac184e3db47963/5D3D0DFF/t51.2885-15/e35/26364244_1371252936316564_4015456218855243776_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.cdninstagram.com 19:10 wizzyrea https://scontent-dfw5-2.cdninstagram.com/vp/f73e0915e410dffe11685f2046af3e3b/5D340BBE/t51.2885-15/e35/43205967_749885055345637_5167453737979686448_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.cdninstagram.com 19:11 cait do you have cats too? ;) 19:11 wizzyrea hm yes but he is hidey 19:12 oleonard I like that smiley one wizzyrea 19:13 wizzyrea he has the funniest underbite 19:26 ashimema I've always felt the thanks in payment was weird.. we get rid in British English mostly for customers too 19:26 ashimema Me just spent the last 20 mins reading back 19:29 wizzyrea I see that construction pretty often on things like account pages for say, phone bills 19:29 wizzyrea but it doesn't hurt anything to get rid of it 19:31 oleonard I see a lot of instances of "return -1" in Koha code. Is that a Perl way of saying "return false" or is it more complicated than that? 19:38 ashimema Haha 19:39 ashimema Actually return -1 will equate to Boolean true 19:39 oleonard Why use -1 ? 19:39 ashimema Really depends on what routines/methods your looking at 19:39 ashimema Why not 😉 19:39 ashimema Returns should be meaningful 19:41 ashimema So as long as the meaning of -1 is documented (I bet it's not) for the routine then it is perfectly acceptable.. if it's not documented it feels somewhat random and fraught will peril changing it just in case something expects it to be returned that way 19:42 ashimema I'm a fan of explicit returns at least.. All subs return something.. even if there's no 'return $thing' line 19:42 ashimema They default to.returning the result of the last thing they processed 19:43 cait which can be hard to spot 19:43 * cait likes explicit too 19:44 wizzyrea cait do you have a GDPR feeling about bug 12532 19:44 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12532 new feature, P5 - low, ---, charles.farmer, In Discussion , Redirect guarantee email to guarantor 19:44 ashimema Yup 19:44 cait ah, explicit, not gdpr 19:44 cait i hope it's optional? 19:44 wizzyrea it is 19:44 ashimema Lol, yes 19:45 cait we don't really use guarantors right now in terms of family accounts, so not a real strong feeling 19:45 cait i am not sure if that is a comomn thing in public libraries here or not, I haven't seen it so far 19:45 wizzyrea what about the "we don't tell guarantees that their guarantor gets their notices" thing 19:45 ashimema Optional at the gauruntee end or just as a pref for staff 19:45 wizzyrea i'm just trying to make sure i'm not being a willful curmudgeon 19:46 wizzyrea i mean I kinda am but also mostlynot 19:46 ashimema Hehe 19:46 cait is it per patron or global? 19:46 wizzyrea it's global 19:46 wizzyrea which I don't like 19:46 wizzyrea and the guarntee can't opt out 19:46 wizzyrea guarantee* 19:46 ashimema I have no idea how gdpr treats 'minors' 19:46 ashimema That's effectively what were talking about in the majority case here isn't it 19:47 wizzyrea well theoretically 19:47 wizzyrea did we ever get the ability for any patron to have a guarantor? 19:47 wizzyrea I didn't chase it up but I know it was a huge long bug for a while 19:47 ashimema Mmm, I don't like that its global.. 19:47 oleonard I don't think so wizzyrea 19:47 cait wizzyrea: patches around for that, but not in i think 19:47 wizzyrea that's good that makes it easier to swallow 19:47 ashimema But.. if the whole idea is that all gauruntees are also minors then it sort of makes sense to me.. 19:47 cait there is also a big patch in my qa that kind of rewrite the guarantor system 19:47 cait from kle 19:47 cait kyle 19:48 wizzyrea but yes the majority case is that they'd be minors 19:48 wizzyrea but I don't like that we don't tell them 19:48 cait allowing guarantors that are nt patrons 19:48 cait i tihnk 19:48 cait one of the more scary patches i haven't worked up to yet 19:48 cait i'd like a note somewhere 19:48 cait and also per user instead of global 19:48 cait like we have the 'can see tihngs in opac' maybe? 19:48 wizzyrea ah bug 12446 19:48 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12446 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, charles.farmer, Failed QA , Enable an adult to have a guarantor 19:49 wizzyrea is the one I was thinking of 19:50 wizzyrea gonna guess 19:51 wizzyrea big leap 19:51 wizzyrea same company, same client 19:51 ashimema Lol 19:51 wizzyrea they need these functions 19:51 * ashimema wonders about the use cases.. 19:51 wizzyrea an organisation can guarantee a professional? 19:52 wizzyrea you have a group of teachers in a building 19:52 wizzyrea you want to see what all of those teachers have checked out 19:52 * oleonard made some progress on Bug 22659 19:52 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22659 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Add 'save and continue' functionality to news editor 19:52 wizzyrea guarantor/guarantee would make that easy 19:53 wizzyrea (and those are just the ones I've had librarians ask me about in the past) 19:53 wizzyrea "can I..." 19:53 cait i am little worried about the conflicts with 19:53 cait bug 14570 19:53 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14570 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Make it possible to add multiple guarantors to a record 19:53 wizzyrea ew yeah that could get gross 19:54 wizzyrea should we let them know they are in danger of having to rewrite the whole thing? 19:54 cait hard to tell how we shoudl do it right 19:54 cait all are kinda old 19:54 wizzyrea yeah 19:57 cait wow 19:58 cait nso is below 200 19:58 cait last time has been a while ago 19:58 * oleonard had never tried enabling notice translation before reading cait's comment on Bug 22663 19:58 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22663 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Improve usability of 'display location' pull down in news editor 19:59 cait oleonard: we got a lot of multi-lingual libraries 19:59 oleonard I'm just surprised I'd never turned it on. 20:00 oleonard I think doing the same for news is a good idea 20:02 oleonard Okay, that's it for me. See y'all later 20:03 cait one day... i will manage to say bye to oleonard 20:56 * cait waves at kathryn 20:57 wizzyrea hi kathryn 20:57 kathryn hi wizzyrea and cait :) 20:58 ashimema nighty night koha 21:04 cait good night ashimema 21:25 wizzyrea later friends