Time Nick Message 06:37 cait AndrewIsh: around already? 06:37 cait AndrewIsh_: maybe just you and your evil clone? :) 06:42 cait y 06:43 cait hi fridolin 06:43 josef_moravec morning cait ;) 06:43 cait morning josef_moravec :) 06:43 cait thx for posting the notice templates 06:43 cait really helpful 06:43 josef_moravec Ah, you have seen it ;) 06:43 cait sure have :) 06:44 cait bug 20581 - 22 patches... pqa. 06:44 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20581 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, andrew.isherwood, Passed QA , Allow manual selection of custom ILL request statuses 06:44 josef_moravec I like them, they look nice on our printers, we designed it with my collegue just few days ago ;) 06:44 fridolin hello 06:44 cait it shows some of the stuff you can do with TT 06:44 cait we still sorely lack documentation 06:45 cait like what are the loop variables and such 06:46 josef_moravec true, I found them in C4::Letters code, but that's not the way how it should be done ;) 06:47 josef_moravec cait: would you like to see it in manual, or in wiki? 06:50 cait hm, at the moment i am happy ot just have something, but ultimately it shoudl be i manual 06:50 cait sometimes for moving a bit faster starting in the wiki might be an option? 06:51 cait i had started a page after kohacon in portland 06:51 josef_moravec link? 06:51 wahanui link is, like, strange, add / at the end 06:51 cait https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Notices_with_Template_Toolkit 06:51 cait kyle gave us some help with syntax, but we didn't get much about hte variables 06:51 cait like their actual names :) 06:51 josef_moravec i could add them ;) 06:52 cait it would help a lot i tihnk 06:52 cait also to see if what i wrote made sense 06:52 cait i already spotted a typo at least 07:00 josef_moravec Am I only one who thinks there is missing something on https://perldoc.koha-community.org/ 07:05 ashimema <_oftc_josef_ "Am I only one who thinks there i"> Erm.. any hints to what? 07:11 ashimema We could use a newer podrenderer.. the one we use doesn't appear to be maintained any longer by the looks 07:11 cait hm it seems to go up unti 18.11.02 07:11 josef_moravec ashimema: it should refer to POD of whole codebase, but there are many modules missing: Koha::Patrons, Koha::Libraries, ... 07:11 cait seems recent 07:12 cait maybe file a bug with infrastructure on bugzllla 07:12 josef_moravec I'll do 07:12 cait I think it might be gmcharlt for perldoc, butnot sure 07:16 magnuse \o/ 07:18 magnuse cait++ for https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Notices_with_Template_Toolkit 07:25 magnuse josef_moravec for the same :-) 07:26 josef_moravec magnuse: still working on it ;) 07:34 cait josef_moravec: could you take a look at bug 19821 for qa maybe? 07:34 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19821 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , Run tests on a separate database 07:34 cait it's one of the older ones 07:35 cait ashimema signed off and jajm wrote it - so 2 down :) 07:37 marcelr hi #koha 07:37 cait so many andrews 07:37 cait hi marcelr :) 07:37 cait gotta run off, bbiab 07:37 marcelr hi cait 07:38 josef_moravec cait: I'll look into it 07:41 reiveune hello 07:41 wahanui bonjour, reiveune 07:47 alex_a bonjour 07:53 magnuse cait++ a thousand times over for qa'ing ill-stuffs 08:04 ashimema Good luck on bug 19821, I remember it being one of the more challenging ones to wrap my head around.. it's kind enough ago that is SO'd it that I've entirely forgotten how it works 08:04 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19821 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , Run tests on a separate database 08:07 ashimema Ah, cait is catching up fast on the way leaderboard 08:08 ashimema dashboard.koha-community.org 08:19 magnuse ashimema, AndrewIsh: To use the FreeForm backend on 18.11.x, should I use the master branch or the 18.05 branch? 08:26 AndrewIsh magnuse: master should do it :) 08:26 magnuse thanks! 08:36 ashimema master 08:37 magnuse master! 08:37 wahanui master is the WIP version. in November, whatever is in the master will become version 18.11 and we'll continue to work on it for the 19,05 version 08:41 ashimema wahanui forget master! 08:41 wahanui ashimema: I forgot master 08:42 magnuse master is Master of puppets, pulling your strings! 08:42 ashimema wahanui master is the WIP version. In May, whatever is in the master will become version 19.05 and we'll continue to work on it for the 19.11 version 08:42 wahanui ...but master is Master of puppets, pulling wahanui's strings!... 08:43 ashimema Lol 08:44 ashimema wahanui master is also the WIP version. In May, whatever is in the master will become version 19.05 and we'll continue to work on it for the 19.11 version 08:44 wahanui okay, ashimema. 08:44 ashimema master 08:44 magnuse master? 08:44 wahanui it has been said that master is Master of puppets, pulling my strings! 08:47 ashimema what is master? 08:47 wahanui i heard master was Master of puppets, pulling my strings! 08:47 ashimema is that really master? 08:47 ashimema hmm 08:47 ashimema odd 08:47 ashimema oh well 10:34 josef_moravec cait: I just went through code and tried to document variables in notices, this could definitely be improved, but it's at least something ;) 10:34 josef_moravec https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Notices_with_Template_Toolkit 10:37 cait you are awesome, thank you 10:38 cait this will be so helpful 10:38 cait josef_moravec++ 10:39 paxed why is the wiki left-side bar all the way down in that article? 10:40 paxed mismatched tag? 10:42 cait missing category 10:42 cait but category has been deactivated 10:42 cait i think you can enter them using {{ somehow but my mediawiki fu is weak 10:42 cait i just know adding a category fixes display 10:43 paxed [[Category:foo]] is the mediawiki way 10:48 eythian hi 10:48 wahanui bidet, eythian 10:50 ashimema anyone fancy testing some presently untested code which should add a nice little enhancemt to the actionlogs details for member updates? 10:50 ashimema bug Koha/Patron.pm 10:50 ashimema bug 3820 10:50 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3820 normal, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Needs Signoff , Members in Log Viewer Showing ?? in UPDATE 10:51 ashimema I threw the code together quick as a proof of concept 10:51 * ashimema will add tests and polish it up a bit, but it looking for early feedback at this point 10:54 paxed ashimema: are the fields always in the same order? 10:55 ashimema not yet.. nice suggestion. 10:55 ashimema that's easy enough to do 10:55 ashimema think it needs a few tweaks for setting/unsetting nul fields too 10:55 paxed (we've got similar change, but it just uses Data::Dumper) 10:56 ashimema feel free to throw it up as an alternative :) 10:56 ashimema this was to try and get a conversation going :) 10:57 paxed nah, i think json is better for this 10:57 cait would lovve to see this one fixed 10:57 cait better logs would have already helped me so muchtoday 10:57 cait ashimema++ 10:58 ashimema patch inbound adding 'canonicalisation' to the to_json call :) 10:58 ashimema thanks for that hint :) 10:58 cait lunch time bbiab 11:00 ashimema lol 11:00 ashimema it's exposed to me that the shift to Koha::Patron means that when we do any form of modification for the first time since the change we actually also do a 'fixup' on null fields.. setting defaults 11:01 ashimema I changed just 'othername' as a test but the log showed me that it also updated 'lost' and 'gonenoaddress' from 'null' to '0'; 11:01 ashimema fun aye 11:08 * ashimema fires up koha-testing-docker to see how many tests he broke with that 12:00 magnuse talking of logs, i just saw bug 20750 12:00 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20750 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, andrew.isherwood, Failed QA , Allow timestamped auditing of ILL request events 12:03 ashimema poor andrew 12:18 AndrewIsh magnuse: Working on it now! :-D 12:24 * kidclamp waves 12:51 oleonard Hi all 12:57 cait hi oleonard :) 12:58 cait AndrewIsh: it's ok if you solve more than one issue in a patch :) 12:59 cait added the numbers more for referene and discussion 13:01 Bora currently i have configure for self check in and out 13:01 Bora how can we set for check in and out withouhgt user login 13:02 Bora i mean we allow user to do self check in and out withough login 13:02 Bora ? 13:08 oleonard cait: https://zivotdesign.com/p/view.php?p=15501496577045 13:17 matts Hey #koha! Anyone knows why we used datatables.inc to translate DataTable messages and not directly the i18n plug-ins for datatable ? 13:17 matts Is there a good reason ? 13:19 oleonard matts: My guess is it was more consistent with the way we handle translations in general. We don't really have an established procedure for using JavaScript plugin translations 13:20 oleonard It's definitely something which is worth re-evaluating 13:20 matts Actually I'm implementing DataTables for Coral ERM and was considering both options. 13:21 matts Thank you for your feedback oleonard 13:22 oleonard matts: I'll be interested to hear what you decide to do with Coral and whether you think we should change the way we do it in Koha 13:23 matts oleonard, well, the first thing that with i18n plugins, the translations are provided by Datatable, you cannot change them if you wanted to. 13:24 * matts is gonna try both 13:25 * oleonard did not know the TranslateNotices preference existed 13:27 magnuse AndrewIsh++ 13:28 magnuse oleonard: so many preferences! :-) 13:29 matts oleonard, also, for example, there's only "English", and not en_US and en_GB. 13:29 * matts thinks he'll go the koha way 13:29 oleonard matts: Don't want the English speakers fighting! 13:29 matts :) 13:39 AndrewIsh cait: Re: solving more than one issue in a patch. Feels wrong to me. A patch = a commit and modifying unrelated things in a single commit is something I always try and avoid. Sorry, it means there's lots of patches :-/ 13:41 eythian AndrewIsh: it's a good approach as it makes a) analysing the commit that introduced a bug easier, and b) easier to revert without conflicts or impacting other parts of the application if needed. 13:42 oleonard Agreed (and do as I say not as I do!) 13:43 AndrewIsh eythian: Precisely, that's exactly why I do it. I've been caught out before when I've not done it and had huge pain tracking stuff down and reverting bits of it. Learnt the lesson the wrong way! 13:43 cait hehe 13:43 cait you 22 patches on the last bug is all I say :P 13:43 eythian yes, commit early, commit often 13:43 cait i had to count them 3 times to make sure i upload them all back up again 13:44 AndrewIsh cait: Yes, I'm not proud of the number of patches, but they are all nice discrete changes 13:45 oleonard Oh are we talking about multiple patches on a single bug? I change my vote :) 13:45 cait it's ok, not a serious complaint from my side 13:46 AndrewIsh oleonard: :-P 13:46 oleonard :D 13:47 cait is someone using runreport.pl? 13:47 cait i think the mail to the mailing list could be resolved putting that in cron 13:47 cait [Koha] How to receive reports to email 13:47 cait but we don't use it 13:48 oleonard But still.... Bug 3935 13:48 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3935 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chris, NEW , Schedule tasks periodically 13:48 cait yeah, ut i think it's a workaorund 13:48 oleonard Sure 13:48 cait obviously a bit tedious, because you have to hardcode it all into the report 13:48 cait into the cronjob sorry 13:49 cait AndrewIsh: i seem to remember ptfs-e was using it? 13:50 * AndrewIsh stares blankly 13:50 cait sorry :) 13:50 AndrewIsh I dunno, ashimema might know 13:53 cait 2) I felt there shoudl be another way with using an existting function doing this date math 13:53 cait should say that on the bug i guess :) 13:53 ashimema confused 13:53 ashimema I think my irc is going wonky 13:53 cait bug 20750 13:53 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20750 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, andrew.isherwood, Failed QA , Allow timestamped auditing of ILL request events 13:54 cait there is a function get_epoch 13:54 cait in logger 13:55 cait I was wondering if there is not a standard function doing that already 13:55 cait so we could do without the method 14:00 ashimema tight 14:00 ashimema I've caught back up 14:00 ashimema really odd 14:00 ashimema so.. yes we do use the runreport.pl stuff from the cron for a number of customer 14:01 ashimema yes it's a workaround, but every time I've dug into the UI stuff for scheduled tasks I've been met with "but that's a security issue" type responses so I gave up.. 14:01 ashimema I think lots of people have tried to fix that one. 14:04 AndrewIsh cait: I did look to see if there was a get_epoch type function already available, but came up blank, I'll have another look 14:06 AndrewIsh cait: I'm sure (though I've not checked) it can be done using using DateTIme, but it feels a bit heavy handed to be instantiating two datetime objects per row just to be able to compare them, particularly given how slow DateTime is 14:08 kidclamp we use runreport a lot 14:08 kidclamp also bug 16149 - eh? eh? interested? 14:08 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16149 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nick, Needs Signoff , Generate and send custom notices based on report output 14:10 Archie^ hey josef_moravec you here? 14:11 oleonard Bug 22337 and Bug 20935 won't apply cleanly on each other but I can handle it...if anyone wants to check 'em out :) 14:11 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22337 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Make it clearer that language preferences can be re-ordered 14:11 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20935 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Redesign system preferences interface 14:15 * oleonard craving signoffs: https://gifimage.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/jonesing-gif-6.gif 14:16 ashimema allot of our syspref names are cryptic as heck 14:16 ashimema I'm not sure if you're new interface makes that even more obvious 14:17 ashimema I think as you've removed the ability to collapse sections too, then we need to float the left menu 14:18 ashimema example.. if the `Acquisitions` tab is selected you can quickly click to the `Printing` section.. but you can't quickly click back up.. that feels like a step backwards to me 14:18 ashimema oleonard: ^ 14:19 ashimema I like the look of it but actually I feel it all reads a bit less clear to me I'm afraid :( 14:21 oleonard Thanks for looking at it ashimema, I appreciate the feedback 14:21 * ashimema is racking his brains for what might help him like it more 14:22 ashimema I really do like how it looks.. but I'm hung up on how much more scrolling I seem to have to do.. and although there's more space between things it actually feels harder to read.. 14:22 ashimema really odd and counter intuitive gut feelings there 14:22 ashimema on the upside.. it all works so could easily be signed off 14:22 josef_moravec Hi Archie^, need something? ;) 14:22 cait while we are talking about things that would make my life easier... can we please implement loggin for circulation condition changes too? 14:22 ashimema as far as my quick testing goes so far at least 14:22 cait ok, we weren't actually talking about that, but we shoudl 14:23 Archie^ josef_moravec: yah so i had a question regarding the "lav" errors during mapping authorities to records 14:23 ashimema even the overriden prefs stuff get highlighted nicely.. which is something I thought would be easily overlooked 14:23 Archie^ josef_moravec: so this is the errors i'm having https://prnt.sc/ml2b1h 14:23 ashimema cait.. is there a bug for it? 14:24 Archie^ josef_moravec: BUT according to marc21 xml standrats everyting hsould be fine https://www.loc.gov/marc/languages/language_code.html <-- search for " lav " and you will see Latvian 14:24 Archie^ josef_moravec: so im wondering maybe i've missed some sort of setting enabled in koha? 14:25 josef_moravec Archie^: your "lav" is used as tag name, which is bad 14:26 cait ashimema: i know what you mean, i had a similar response 14:26 cait argh, scrolling broken = re new syspref intereface 14:26 ashimema also.. is there no way to collapse the html editor for such syspref blocks once it's been opened 14:27 josef_moravec Archie^: ah, that's different problem, but still not "lat" as latvian 14:27 cait bug 16544 14:27 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16544 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Changes to circ rules should be logged. 14:27 Archie^ josef_moravec: so i've searched thein records and this is what it looks like https://prnt.sc/ml2l6a 14:27 josef_moravec Archie^: it is that you have authority code "lav" in biblio record 14:28 josef_moravec Archie^: subfield $9 14:29 josef_moravec Archie^: $9 is default, but you may change it in biblio frameworks... 14:29 Archie^ josef_moravec: but this is in authority records, not sure what biblio records has to do with it ? 14:30 josef_moravec Archie^: it could be in authority OR biblio record, I can't know it, so mayby field 001 in authorities? 14:32 josef_moravec have to go, by all 14:51 ashimema oleonard: I've SO'd the other one now though.. 14:51 ashimema so I'm not all mean : 14:52 oleonard ashimema: I do not consider it mean to disagree with me :) 14:52 oleonard ashimema++ 14:52 oleonard The only person you can't disagree with is kidclamp because he will cut you 14:53 ashimema hehe.. I've dissagreed with him plenty ;) 14:53 ashimema we like a good debae 14:59 kidclamp I'm just a knife, knifin' around....cut cut cut cut cut cut cut 15:00 ashimema wow.. circ rules are actually directly hacked at in the pl script rather than going via any classes/modules! :( 15:00 * ashimema was wondering about adding logging 15:00 ashimema but wow. 15:01 oleonard ashimema: That's because no one can touch that page. Patches submitted for it are cursed to die 15:01 ashimema lol 15:01 * ashimema has never tried to date 15:02 * ashimema now thinks he wont 15:03 * ashimema quietly giggles at the conversation going on in WhatsApp 15:07 oleonard I could have sworn there was a failed patch for removing SQL from smart-rules.pl but now I can't find one. 15:08 ashimema lol 15:25 kidclamp oleonard: I blame you that this is stuck in my head https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUykn7v5UXE 15:31 * oleonard will take that heat 16:01 reiveune bye 16:11 oleonard Hi CrispyBran 16:14 Margaret happy valentines day koha 16:15 oleonard Hi Margaret 16:15 Margaret morning oleonard 16:20 eythian wahanui: saint valentine is the patron saint of bees, epilepsy, and the plague. 16:20 wahanui OK, eythian. 16:20 eythian (it's true, look it up.) 16:21 oleonard I think I will! 16:21 oleonard saint valentine? 16:21 wahanui i guess saint valentine is the patron saint of bees, epilepsy, and the plague. 16:21 oleonard Wow... verified! 16:21 eythian see 16:34 kidclamp ashimema++ 16:34 kidclamp david_gustafson++ 16:35 kidclamp I don't know his IRC name 16:35 ashimema :) 16:35 oleonard In that case they obviously don't really exist 16:58 oleonard Bug 22318 is ready for a look. 16:58 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22318 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Extend Koha news feature to include other content areas 17:14 tcohen hi 17:14 wahanui bidet, tcohen 17:16 oleonard Hi tcohen 17:16 tcohen hi oleonard 17:16 wahanui hi oleopard 18:20 cait Joubu? 18:20 wahanui Joubu is, like, kidding, right ;) 18:30 tcohen hola Joubu 18:30 ashimema Joubu we've missed you.... 18:35 cait i still do... i thought i saw him on bugzilla 18:39 ashimema You did.. it surprised me too 20:16 * andreashm waves 20:17 alexbuckley hi all 20:17 andreashm hi alexbuckley 20:17 cait alexbuckley: wasn't it you having a patch for removing sql from issuingrules? :) 20:18 cait someone asked about it earlier, ashimema i think 20:18 alexbuckley yes that's right cait :) 20:19 cait can you remind me of the bug number? 20:25 alexbuckley sure 21:09 alexbuckley hi cait, I trawled through bugzilla but can't seem to find it. I remember I had an series of bug reports for removing the SQL from a number of places. I had to set the assignee back to 'Bug Lists' due to a lack of time recently. I wonder if it has been removed 21:10 cait h not deleted 21:11 cait maybe a status not included in your search? 21:11 cait using ALL in front of the search queries makes sure everything turns up 21:11 cait deleting bugs is realy hard, so we don't do that, aprat from spam sometimes 21:12 alexbuckley ah right yup 21:41 caroline1 ashimema around? 21:42 cait caroline1: late - almost 10pm in uk i think 21:43 caroline1 I know, but sometimes he's there anyway 21:43 caroline1 cait: maybe you know 21:43 caroline1 didn't he write a wiki page on the development process? 21:44 caroline1 like patch is submitted, then reviewed and signed off, then qa'd etc.. 21:45 caroline1 I'm trying to find the page on the wiki, but I can only find the one where he explains the versionning 21:45 caroline1 https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Versioning 21:46 cait there are some pages about that 21:47 andreashm cait's ppt about the qa process should be on the wiki! very easy to follow 21:47 cait https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_workflow 21:47 cait oh thank you 21:47 cait i think this is still published via bywater 21:47 caroline1 oh cool! thanks! 21:48 caroline1 andreashm is this the ppt from last kohacon? 21:48 cait and here too: https://swop.bsz-bw.de/frontdoor/index/index/docId/1322 21:48 andreashm caroline1: that's the one 21:49 cait just remembered we put it in our repo too 21:49 caroline1 cool! 21:50 caroline1 Some random person is asking Pierre-Marc if his patch will be in the next version of Koha... I'm like "eehh... probably not" 21:50 caroline1 But she is new to Koha, so we wanted to give her more info on how it works 22:00 * andreashm looks at the most recent document at the bsz repo 22:01 andreashm why? no idea 22:01 cait heh 22:01 cait no idea what it is 22:02 cait not a lot in english there 22:12 andreashm yeah, I noticed. and my german is poor. but a little interesting 22:15 andreashm trying to read a document about the gbv-bsz cooperation. =) 22:16 cait ah 22:16 cait let me know if i can help 22:17 alexbuckley hi cait, found the bug report: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17954 , reopening it 22:17 huginn` Bug 17954: minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, REOPENED , Remove the sql code from the smart-rules.pl administrative script 22:18 cait ashimema: see bug 17954 - i thnk you were looking for it earlier 22:18 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17954 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Remove the sql code from the smart-rules.pl administrative script 22:18 alexbuckley using the ALL helped thanks 22:20 cait :) 22:23 cait good night all 22:23 caroline1 bye! 22:23 alexbuckley bye 22:27 andreashm night 23:21 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.05_D8 build #202: SUCCESS in 20 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.05_D8/202/ 23:25 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.05_D9 build #200: SUCCESS in 26 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.05_D9/200/ 23:40 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.05_D8 build #203: SUCCESS in 19 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.05_D8/203/ 23:44 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.05_U18 build #202: SUCCESS in 42 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.05_U18/202/ 23:52 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.05_D9 build #201: SUCCESS in 26 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.05_D9/201/