Time  Nick            Message
23:57 tallerjoy       <but the giphys are fun>
23:57 tallerjoy       so better productivity with communication balanced by less productivity goofing off
23:57 tallerjoy       i am curious how many "person hours" are spent in slack searching for gifs to share via the giphy app.
23:56 tallerjoy       ha!
23:56 * oleonard      reminds tallerjoy to put her shoes in the cubby before getting on Slack
23:55 caroline1       tallerjoy: lol!
23:55 tallerjoy       slack feels like the mcdonald's play area of IRC
23:54 tallerjoy       ok
23:54 tallerjoy       hmmm....
23:53 oleonard        But ~~* emojis *~~
23:53 tallerjoy       yes.  <not a fan>
23:52 oleonard        You disappeared into the Slackiverse didn't you
23:52 tallerjoy       yah.  i need to put the irc back into 'auto start' on this pc
23:52 oleonard        Hi tallerjoy, long time no see
23:46 * tallerjoy     shake it up a bit
23:46 tallerjoy       HI
23:33 caroline1       it's been pretty quiet afaik
23:32 oleonard        Yeah, just felt like popping in to see if anything was going on
23:32 caroline1       it's rare you're on this late!
23:31 caroline1       oh hello oleonard!
23:31 oleonard        Hi again #koha
22:29 aleisha_        cait thanks for the reminder about assigning - we'll try to keep on top of that so you don't have to!
22:05 vero            at the moment of generating a report, the connection has been restarted, it indicates the browser that I must solve, thanks
21:53 cait            that's all from me for today - good night :)
21:44 vero            at the moment of generating a report, the connection has been restarted, it indicates the browser that I must solve, thanks
21:36 magnuse         academy++ helene++
21:14 cait            i've fixed all I came across - but might have missed one. And you are so fast making more
21:14 cait            one tiny thing: if you submit a patch, please assign yourself the bug in the "Assignee" field :)
21:11 * jasmine       says thank you!!
21:11 helene          Thanks:)
21:10 cait            great job
21:10 * cait          waves to the academy students
19:43 JesseM          Night!
19:42 huginn          cait: The operation succeeded.
19:42 cait            @later tell tcohen please read the meeting logs for some discussion abotu the endpoint
19:42 davidnind       cait++
19:42 cait            thx all
19:42 huginn          Log:            http://meetings.koha-community.org/2019/development_irc_meeting_16_january_2019.2019-01-16-19.08.log.html
19:42 huginn          Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2019/development_irc_meeting_16_january_2019.2019-01-16-19.08.txt
19:42 huginn          Minutes:        http://meetings.koha-community.org/2019/development_irc_meeting_16_january_2019.2019-01-16-19.08.html
19:42 huginn          Meeting ended Wed Jan 16 19:42:30 2019 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
19:42 cait            #endmeeting
19:42 cait            #info Next meeting: 30 January 2019, 14 UTC
19:42 josef_moravec   could be
19:41 cait            14 UTC?
19:41 cait            January 30
19:41 cait            so every 2 weeks i guess
19:41 cait            it looks ike we had 2 in december... and 2 in november
19:40 cait            #topic Set time of next meeting
19:39 cait            issomeone aware of when the next meeting should be?
19:39 cait            great, now i want to see thatmoving forward :)
19:39 huginn          yes (5): davidnind, cait, JesseM, josef_moravec, khall
19:39 huginn          Voted on "Do we agree on the new coding guidelines Swagger 3.2, 3.3 and 3.4 as outlined on the wiki?" Results are
19:39 cait            #endvote
19:39 cait            ending vote... last chance
19:39 davidnind       what cait said :)
19:39 cait            nice
19:39 JesseM          #vote yes
19:39 davidnind       #vote yes
19:39 khall           #vote yes
19:39 josef_moravec   #vote yes
19:39 cait            trustng the experts (including josef_moravec)
19:38 cait            #vote yes
19:38 huginn          Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
19:38 huginn          Begin voting on: Do we agree on the new coding guidelines Swagger 3.2, 3.3 and 3.4 as outlined on the wiki? Valid vote options are , yes, no, abstain, .
19:38 cait            #startvote Do we agree on the new coding guidelines Swagger 3.2, 3.3 and 3.4 as outlined on the wiki? (yes,no,abstain)
19:38 josef_moravec   the proposed rules does make sense to me, and are not too complicated ;) but it would be great to have these things explicitaly written
19:37 davidnind       I'd say yes
19:36 cait            should we vote?
19:36 cait            hard to tell for me... but I generally trust tcohen
19:35 cait            it seems a bit incompleate - at least swagger 4
19:34 josef_moravec   tcohen++
19:34 cait            I suspect tcohen here too
19:34 cait            #topic Review of coding guidelines
19:33 cait            moving on!
19:33 cait            anything more for general development?
19:33 cait            ok
19:33 huginn          yes (4): davidnind, cait, JesseM, josef_moravec
19:33 huginn          Voted on "Do we agree to adopt the public api for changing the password as outlined here:https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Public_patrons_password_endpoint_RFC with the note that a more detailed attribute name would be aprreciated?" Results are
19:33 cait            #endvote
19:33 cait            ending vote... last chance
19:32 JesseM          #vote yes
19:32 josef_moravec   #vote yes
19:32 davidnind       #vote yes
19:32 cait            more lying on the couch with the laptop :)
19:32 cait            #vote yes
19:32 davidnind       too much QAing!:)
19:32 huginn          Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
19:32 huginn          Begin voting on: Do we agree to adopt the public api for changing the password as outlined here:https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Public_patrons_password_endpoint_RFC with the note that a more detailed attribute name would be aprreciated? Valid vote options are , yes, no, abstain, .
19:32 cait            #startvote Do we agree to adopt the public api for changing the password as outlined here:https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Public_patrons_password_endpoint_RFC with the note that a more detailed attribute name would be aprreciated? (yes,no,abstain)
19:31 cait            harder to type
19:31 cait            but my hand fell asleep heh
19:31 cait            takig over
19:31 cait            sec
19:30 kidclamp        bye
19:30 kidclamp        I support it for the the record
19:30 kidclamp        I have to run, just trying to phrase
19:30 kidclamp        Do we agree to adopt the public api for changing the password as outlined here:https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Public_patrons_password_endpoint_RFC with the note that a more detailed attribute name would be aprreciated?
19:28 davidnind       make it more meaningful, sounds like naming something document 1, document 2 <-- not that I know anything about naming these things!
19:28 kidclamp        okay, vote and mention that as a note?
19:28 kidclamp        description makes it clear I think
19:27 cait            but I am ok with keeping it too or let tcohen decide
19:27 cait            that's why i thought password_repeat might be more speaking
19:27 kidclamp        I don't mind either way
19:27 cait            th efirst... the second
19:27 * josef_moravec has no strong opinion too
19:27 cait            it made it sound like a separate passwrod to me
19:26 * khall         has no strong opinion
19:26 cait            are we ok with password_2 or should we rename?
19:26 josef_moravec   and Koha should care about it not, some api consumer...
19:25 josef_moravec   yes, i think so too
19:25 kidclamp        I think firget would be a separate process
19:25 josef_moravec   and also, if we have new password twice, clients implementation could be simpler...
19:25 cait            this is a little trickier than I expected :)
19:25 cait            forgotten
19:25 cait            if it's a password forget process
19:24 cait            i think the old password might be a good point
19:24 cait            maybe mostly a question of what is required
19:24 khall           but in the end it does no harm
19:24 khall           cait: yeah, that was my point too
19:24 cait            but they can jus copy it?
19:23 josef_moravec   I am for repeated new password too,, we can't relly on client implementations...
19:23 khall           we can't require the old password because it may be for a 'forgot your password' system
19:23 khall           new twice
19:23 cait            both = p1 and p1 or old and new?
19:22 khall           I think it's fine to have both there as well. It could make the form data directly pass-through
19:22 cait            leave koha to verify
19:22 cait            i am fine with the old, it might make things easier
19:22 huginn          Bug 22061: enhancement, P5 - low, 19.05, tomascohen, Signed Off , Public route to change password
19:22 kidclamp        https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22061
19:22 cait            yeah
19:21 khall           confirming the password twice is a front-end process
19:21 cait            we can't really tell how the GUI will implment
19:21 khall           that's what I was thinking
19:21 aleisha_        thanks davidnind for testing so many academy patches!
19:21 cait            does it make sense anyway to ask for it twice?
19:21 cait            maybe password_repeated?
19:21 cait            i was thinking password_2 might be confusing
19:20 kidclamp        any questions?
19:20 kidclamp        tcohen has asked for a vote
19:20 kidclamp        #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Public_patrons_password_endpoint_RFC REST API - Public route to change patron's password
19:19 khall           can do kidclamp , just remind me ;)
19:19 kidclamp        #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...)
19:19 * kidclamp      *cough* ashimema *cough* khall *cough*
19:19 cait            that's it from me
19:19 cait            need someone for SIP :)
19:18 cait            hm and recently SIP activity too
19:18 kidclamp        #info ES and ILL patches need attention as well
19:18 cait            we've got quite a bit of ILL and Elastic patches waiting too - anyone willing to help there is also welcome. Second sign offs are often good too - they make us more confident
19:17 kidclamp        #info the queue is growing, please help with bugs especially for maintenance releases
19:17 cait            38 of those are bugs, so it would be good to take of those for the upcoming maintenance releases
19:17 cait            70 2 days ago... so calling out to the QA team to help fix that :)
19:16 kamar           I need to know if Koha can be install on Ubuntu Live server
19:16 cait            so, we got the bad bugs down from 20 to 16 currently, but the queue is pretty full - 100
19:16 josef_moravec   sorry being late
19:16 josef_moravec   #info Josef Moravec
19:16 cait            sec
19:16 cait            ah
19:16 kidclamp        cait, all yours
19:15 cait            kamar: yes, koha is fine on ubuntu. we are currently in a meeting, can you ask later?
19:15 kidclamp        #topic Updates from the QA team
19:15 JesseM          Working hard to keep up with Martin. :) But things are going great with 18.05.x
19:15 kidclamp        #info 18.05 is going great
19:15 kamar           I need to know if Koha can be install on Ubuntu Live ser
19:15 kidclamp        #info 18.11 is coming alon, see notes form Koha meeting this morning
19:14 kamar           Hello everyone
19:13 kidclamp        #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers
19:13 kidclamp        Alll for me
19:13 kidclamp        koha++
19:13 kidclamp        Thanks to all for their hard work, accounts and other things moving along nicely
19:13 kidclamp        Will hold off on pushing while I test but wil ctach up to bugs and academy asd soon as I can
19:12 kidclamp        I am working on testing Mana and providing feedback to Alex - I want to push this early so appreciate any other eyes before I do so :-)
19:12 kidclamp        #topic Updates from Release Manager (19.05)
19:12 kidclamp        #link https://www.interleaf.ie/kohacon19/ KohaCon2019 website
19:11 kidclamp        #info KohaCon 2019 call for proposals open
19:11 JesseM          Rmaint 18.05.x is going great!
19:11 kidclamp        #info Academy ish papneing, please sign off and QA patches
19:10 kidclamp        Kohacon 2019 call for proposals is open
19:10 cait            QA and sign off academy patches!
19:09 kidclamp        #topic Announcements
19:09 cait            #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
19:09 khall           #info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions
19:08 davidnind       #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand
19:08 JesseM          #info Jesse Maseto, ByWater, USA
19:08 kidclamp        #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions
19:08 kidclamp        #topic Introductions
19:08 huginn          Current chairs: cait kidclamp
19:08 kidclamp        #chair cait
19:08 huginn          The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_16_january_2019'
19:08 huginn          Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
19:08 huginn          Meeting started Wed Jan 16 19:08:11 2019 UTC.  The chair is kidclamp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
19:08 kidclamp        #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 16 January 2019
19:07 cait            i will take over
19:07 cait            kidclamp: do you want to start?
19:07 cait            ok ..
19:07 kidclamp        that's 5
19:07 JesseM          Im here :)
19:07 davidnind       hehe
19:06 cait            or do something else fun
19:06 cait            we should use that chance and rename Koha
19:06 cait            ?
19:06 cait            =
19:06 cait            really.. that's all
19:05 cait            4
19:04 khall           here
19:04 cait            rangi: ?
19:04 cait            3
19:04 davidnind       I'm here..
19:03 wahanui         i heard khall was here :)
19:03 kidclamp        khall?
19:03 cait            ok, now we are 2
19:03 cait            w ewill have the meeting if at least 5 people are here
19:03 kidclamp        I am here
19:03 cait            it seems everyone is somewhere else
19:03 cait            n oworries
19:03 caroline        ah! sorry! I'm in training :(
19:02 cait            caroline, meeting? :)
19:02 cait            or let's ask differently, wh ocan attend the meeting?
19:02 cait            so noone is here? :)
19:01 JesseM          Me too ;)
19:00 cait            noted
18:59 ashimema        Rmaint update from me would be much the same as the one I gave for the general meeting earlier today
18:59 cait            oops
18:59 ashimema        I've sent my apologies on the agenda but will send them here and now too.. afraid I've just walked into a school meeting.
18:56 cait            meeting in 5
18:23 hh              I try to run a report and it comes out in my browser. The connection has been restarted. Is the server problem? Thank you
17:23 reiveune        bye
17:11 Ve              cantidad de préstamos de los usuarios
17:10 Ve              loans
17:06 magnuse         Ve: what do you mean by "more loans"?
17:02 Ve              I can not find it in the report library
17:01 Ve              Users with more loans, in sql, Thanks
16:43 magnuse         yeeeehaaaw!
16:42 oleonard        It's the wild west out here magnuse, you make your own rules
16:41 huginn          Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8437 critical, P2, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Large database backups and large exports from export.pl fail under plack
16:41 magnuse         i'd like to take the last patch off bug 8437 and create a separate bug for it - are there any rules about doing things like that? apart from keeping the atrribution to the patch author, of course?
16:41 magnuse         gah, missed the meeting
16:25 cait            oleonard++
16:19 oleonard        Sure
16:19 cait            could i forward that to you for optimization before i put it on?
16:19 cait            oleonard: JesseM suggested using the one from portland
16:10 oleonard        I would like to send someone a replacement version of that image on the front page. The one which is there is way too big.
16:09 ashimema        odd
16:09 ashimema        even going via a vpn.. the front page works.. but other pages still 500
16:08 ashimema        wow
16:08 ashimema        I think there's a load balancer or something out there that doesn't like me
16:08 ashimema        I can too.. if only I can access it.. I still get 500 errors
16:08 ashimema        she can
16:05 oleonard        cait: You do updates to the web site?
16:03 oleonard        vero did you check this page? https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library
16:03 vero            users with more loans by type of category, as I generate the report from sql, thank you very much
15:48 eythian         I have four days of this week with no meetings at all. I'm getting so much done.
15:42 * oleonard      would very much have preferred being at this meeting than the one he was at instead
15:22 ashimema        Sorry, was driving
15:22 ashimema        No worries
15:21 kidclamp        sorry ashimema
15:21 kidclamp        perhaps we can poke them for email update at least
15:21 kidclamp        Ah, i see now carloine
15:21 huginn          Log:            http://meetings.koha-community.org/2019/general_irc_meeting_16_january_2019.2019-01-16-14.11.log.html
15:21 huginn          Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2019/general_irc_meeting_16_january_2019.2019-01-16-14.11.txt
15:21 huginn          Minutes:        http://meetings.koha-community.org/2019/general_irc_meeting_16_january_2019.2019-01-16-14.11.html
15:21 huginn          Meeting ended Wed Jan 16 15:21:17 2019 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
15:21 kidclamp        #endmeeting
15:21 kidclamp        #info Next meeting: 13 February 2019, 19 UTC
15:19 kidclamp        so NZ can at least think about attending without waking up at ungodly hours
15:19 caroline        ok no problem!
15:19 kidclamp        this one is on the earlier so next should be later
15:19 kidclamp        I think we try to go between 11 and 20 roughyl caroline, alternating
15:19 kidclamp        sorry, was ion another meeting
15:18 caroline        I would suggest 14utc
15:15 caroline        whatever is good with me, I just wanted to make sure, as ashimema said to have a time where dublin ppl can be here
15:14 caroline        ok
15:14 wizzyrea        also hi
15:14 wizzyrea        19's not a terrible hour
15:13 caroline        is that good for uk? a bit late maybe?
15:13 kidclamp        February 13, 19 UTC?
15:12 kidclamp        #topic Next meeting
15:11 * ashimema      runs to car
15:11 ashimema        being that kohacon is eu this time.. I imagine a preference for working hours uk/ireland if we want them to attent the next meeting.. sorry
15:10 * ashimema      has to scarper for school run
15:09 ashimema        go for it
15:08 kidclamp        +1
15:07 cait            moving on?
15:07 ashimema        +1
15:07 cait            +1
15:06 caroline        +1
15:06 calire          perhaps we just ask if we can have an update at the next meeting :)
15:04 ashimema        then friday being the off day
15:04 ashimema        then midday wednesday -> thursday afternoon workshops
15:04 ashimema        but last I was I 'think' the idea was midday monday -> midday wednesday for conference
15:03 cait            #link https://www.surveymonkey.co.uk/r/KV7BGKT
15:03 caroline        it says parallel, so conf at the same time as hackfest maybe? and you choose which one you want to go
15:03 ashimema        I'm not party to the conversations now
15:02 cait            but somehoe 4+1, but not sure how the hackfest and conf parts split
15:02 cait            it's not 3-1-3
15:01 caroline        what is the new format?
15:00 cait            I think the change in format hit us a bit unexpectedly
15:00 cait            I think it would be nice to get regular updates during th emeeting sas we have done in the past
15:00 khall           #info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions
14:59 barton          #info Barton Chittenden, Bywater
14:59 caroline        yoohoo! Kohacon!
14:59 ashimema        I don't have anything to add
14:59 ashimema        we sorta did that i the announcement
14:59 ashimema        #topic Kohacon19 Update
14:57 ashimema        yeah
14:56 kidclamp        moving on?
14:53 kidclamp        I updated this, could use some eyes and opinions
14:53 huginn          Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18736 critical, P5 - low, ---, nick, Signed Off , Problems in order calculations (rounding errors)
14:53 kidclamp        oh, bug 18736
14:53 kidclamp        that's all for me at the moment
14:52 ashimema        cait++
14:51 cait            I've been trying to get into ILL patches, will continue asap
14:51 huginn          Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17047 new feature, P5 - low, ---, alex.arnaud, Passed QA , Mana Knowledge Base : share data
14:51 kidclamp        bug 17047
14:50 kidclamp        but will get to acadaemy and bugs asap
14:50 JesseM          bug17047
14:50 kidclamp        holding off on pushing other things until I work through this
14:50 ashimema        ta
14:50 kidclamp        all info is on the bug
14:50 ashimema        :)
14:50 kidclamp        https://mana-kb.koha-community.org/
14:49 kidclamp        once I verify nothing breaks and feature does what it says I will feel satisfied
14:49 ashimema        is there a public mana server out there to test against?
14:49 JesseM          mana++
14:49 caroline        mana++!
14:49 kidclamp        if anyone else wants to take a look or has comments please let me know, I really want this in this cycle and early so we can test
14:48 ashimema        `It includes 30 enhancements, 56 bugfixes.`
14:48 kidclamp        I am testing Mana currently with an eye toward pushing asap
14:48 ashimema        kidclamp++
14:48 kidclamp        thank you all for all the hlep
14:48 kidclamp        accounts work has progressed nicely
14:48 kidclamp        heh - things are going well so far, catching some bugs and pushign enw things as I can
14:47 ashimema        sorry for missing you first time around
14:47 ashimema        kidclamp want to step in and update us about 19.05 progress
14:47 wahanui         caroline: sorry...
14:47 caroline        wahanui: exactly! XD
14:47 cait            if it's still broken, i will fix it too :)
14:47 ashimema        :)
14:47 wahanui         the link is, like, strange, add / at the end
14:47 caroline        and the link?
14:46 cait            move on?
14:46 cait            commen out...
14:45 cait            #action cait volunteers to add version column to demo website listing, resort by version, alphabetic, comment non-working
14:45 ashimema        understood..
14:44 cait            just something I wouldn't want to change without proposing it formally first :)
14:44 caroline        everything you say makes sense! we have nothing to add :)
14:43 cait            vote? veto? :)
14:43 cait            everyone so quiet
14:42 cait            and maybe remove if one is not working at all ?
14:42 cait            but i can volunteer to add the version if that's ok with people
14:42 cait            all rmaints and rm have accoutns at least
14:41 cait            sorry, can't login right now, not before tonight, maybe one of the others can fix it now?
14:40 caroline        could you add the / to the link under "try it now" while you're there too?
14:40 JesseM          cait I will email the photo to you
14:40 ashimema        nope.. for me everything 500 errors
14:39 cait            https://koha-community.org/demo/ works for me
14:39 cait            https://koha-community.org/ doesn't work?
14:39 cait            maybe woudl be good to get it from the photographer - i am German, always worried about rights :)
14:39 JesseM          :)
14:39 cait            i guess we could
14:38 JesseM          Can we add the latest group photo from kohacon2018?
14:38 ashimema        500 errors.. with either url
14:38 ashimema        for me kc.org is down
14:38 caroline        ok! works with th / at the end! thx cait!
14:38 cait            or got to the demo page from nav, needs fixing
14:37 cait            caroline: the link is strange, add / at the end
14:37 cait            I have no perfect solution - but it seems like something we could improve
14:37 caroline        um... trying to look at the page but it's blank... is it because we're all on it at the same time?
14:37 ashimema        +1
14:37 cait            wecould also sort the newer versions on top, then alphabetic maybe?
14:37 ashimema        :)
14:37 cait            if people let us know when they update
14:37 ashimema        though.. I don't know how often it wuold get updated
14:37 cait            more people have website accounts now, so i think we could keep it updated
14:36 ashimema        version on the listings would be good in my opinion
14:36 cait            because it might be really confusing for people
14:36 ashimema        though I did miss the 'next release' section entirely.. oops
14:36 cait            I was wondering if we shoudl add the version to the listings
14:36 * ashimema      gets confused between dev and general meeting agenda's.. so was following the wiki closely.. no qa section on that
14:35 cait            tamil, orex and admin kuhn
14:35 cait            i think only 3 out of those have 18.11
14:35 cait            and from the list you can't tell
14:35 cait            or even 18.05
14:34 ashimema        oh.. sorry kidclamp
14:34 cait            and when I looked at the demos... I realized we don't have a lot of 18.11 there
14:34 cait            so that link is currently broken (oops) but it links to the demo site
14:34 cait            Introducing Koha 18.05 Try it now
14:34 cait            #link https://koha-community.org/
14:34 kidclamp        I didn't update on next release
14:34 cait            on the front page we have
14:33 cait            Ok, so before christmas I updated the website a bit
14:33 cait            thought it was QA :)
14:33 cait            oh
14:33 ashimema        all yours
14:33 kidclamp        hey, what about me?
14:33 ashimema        #topic Website
14:33 cait            ok :)
14:33 ashimema        your up next on the agenda
14:33 cait            yes?
14:32 ashimema        cait
14:32 ashimema        right..
14:32 ashimema        #info 9 bugfixes for 17.11.x.. on target for 22nd.
14:32 ashimema        and frido had to duck out.. but it's all a similar story
14:32 ashimema        #info 18.05.x rmaint going steady, also aiming for next release on 22nd
14:31 JesseM          Yes. Release is next week
14:31 ashimema        23 bugfixes currently in 18.05.x for next remaint release :)
14:31 JesseM          Nothing really. Just moving along nicely
14:30 JesseM          #info Jesse Maseto, ByWater
14:30 ashimema        anything you want to update us on regarding 18.05.x rmaint?
14:30 cait            probably the best test to find the most impossible things
14:30 cait            will tell you after ;)
14:30 cait            i am doing a presentation on it next week
14:30 JesseM          hi sry im here
14:30 ashimema        either that or 18.11.x is remarkably bug free.. hehe :)
14:29 ashimema        20 bugfixes.. so it's a little light.. but understandable as it includes a chunk of the post christmas period
14:29 ashimema        that's all from me..
14:28 ashimema        #info 18.11.x is currently in string freeze
14:28 kidclamp        JesseM: lukeg
14:28 ashimema        #info 18.11.x we're all set for 18.11.02 release on 22nd.
14:28 ashimema        lol.. the order in the agenda is funny
14:27 cait            if you need pointers for the bugs, find me :)
14:27 ashimema        #topic Update on releases
14:27 cait            yep
14:27 ashimema        shall we move on?
14:26 * kidclamp      will update on my turn :-)
14:26 cait            but ideall we should push them tomorrow (looks at kidclamp)
14:26 ashimema        #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Catalyst_Academy academy
14:26 caroline        ok, if there are any left, i'll let them know, otherwise, they will just S/O as usual
14:26 cait            woudl still be great
14:25 cait            because of the time difference
14:25 cait            caroline: don't stop them, but probably a little too late
14:25 caroline        We have 4 interns that do mandatory community work on friday afternoons. would that be too late?
14:24 cait            6 students :)
14:24 cait            they were super busy and have fixed a lot of things, usually easy to look at - I think it would mean a lot to them if we can manage to have one pushed of each at least
14:23 cait            please sign off and qa on the student's patches
14:23 cait            #info Open Source Academy at Catalyst this week
14:23 cait            but waht i wanted to say is:
14:23 cait            there was a bit of a behind the scenes discussion about the KohaCon schedule I think - be aware it's not the usual format
14:23 cait            oh sorry
14:22 ashimema        go cait
14:21 ashimema        #info Kohacon19 call for speakers is out
14:21 ashimema        #link https://www.interleaf.ie/kohacon19/ Kohacon19 site is up
14:20 cait            i got something
14:20 kidclamp        ^ that
14:20 ashimema        request for speakers is out for kohacon19
14:20 ashimema        oh..
14:19 ashimema        Nothing to announce from here.. got anything kidclamp?
14:19 cait            sorry, got a phone call (great news for a change)
14:19 * ashimema      was looking up meetbot commands.. i don't do this often enough
14:19 huginn          Current chairs: ashimema cait kidclamp
14:19 ashimema        #chair kidclamp
14:19 ashimema        #topic Announcements
14:19 kidclamp        please
14:18 kidclamp        chair me cait>/
14:18 cait            sorry phone
14:17 ashimema        did kc.org just go down or is it just me
14:17 ashimema        erm.
14:16 kidclamp        yes
14:16 ashimema        shall we move onto announcements
14:14 fridolin        nothing new for RM 17.11
14:14 * fridolin      buzy sorry
14:14 calire          #info Claire Gravely, BSZ, Germany
14:14 huginn          Current chairs: ashimema cait
14:14 cait            #chair ashimema
14:13 ashimema        :)
14:12 AndrewIsh       #info Andrew Isherwood, PTFS Europe
14:12 cait            #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
14:12 ashimema        #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe
14:12 kidclamp        thanks cait
14:12 kidclamp        #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions
14:12 cait            #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_16_January_2019 Agenda
14:12 caroline        #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inLibro, Canada
14:12 ashimema        we forgot the general meeting... again ;)
14:12 cait            it#s the one we postponed last week
14:12 cait            please introduce yourself with #info
14:12 cait            #topic Introductions
14:12 kidclamp        meeting now?
14:12 kidclamp        huh what?
14:11 huginn          The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_16_january_2019'
14:11 huginn          Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
14:11 huginn          Meeting started Wed Jan 16 14:11:51 2019 UTC.  The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
14:11 cait            #startmeeting General IRC Meeting 16 January 2019
14:11 wahanui         well, AndrewIsh is ready and waiting to jump on QA comments :)
14:11 ashimema        AndrewIsh
14:11 cait            heh
14:11 cait            who else coudl we stir up?
14:11 ashimema        ;)
14:11 ashimema        feel free.. kidclamp is around.. even if he is hiding
14:11 cait            ping kidclamp fridolin
14:11 ashimema        no wonder I was confused
14:11 ashimema        lol
14:11 caroline        why not
14:10 cait            shoud we have the meeting now?
14:10 cait            k, it's now
14:10 ashimema        oh.. I had it as 2pm UTC
14:10 caroline        oh, well there you go! The General is not in the calendar
14:10 ashimema        https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Koha+General+IRC+Meeting&iso=20190116T1400
14:10 wahanui         OK, cait.
14:10 cait            wahanui: Next meetings is https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Next_IRC_meetings
14:10 wahanui         OK, cait.
14:10 cait            wahanui: Next meeting is https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Next_IRC_meetings
14:09 calire          there are 2 today
14:09 caroline        :/ In the calendar it's at 2pm here (and it is now 9am)
14:09 cait            it's possible, we moved the general one by a week
14:09 ashimema        oh.. my twitter bots keeps piping up that it's in an hour
14:09 cait            ok... not completely
14:09 huginn          cait: Highest karma: "Joubu" (731), "cait" (661), and "tcohen" (383).  Lowest karma: "-" (-48), "failed" (-41), and "ie" (-38).  You (cait) are ranked 2 out of 906.
14:09 cait            @karma
14:08 cait            it seems the bot has amnesia
14:08 cait            next meetings?
14:08 caroline        ashimema: in 5 hours
14:08 ashimema        I'm sure that used to work
14:08 ashimema        grr.. huggin
14:08 ashimema        meeting?
14:08 ashimema        next meeting?
14:08 ashimema        next meeting
14:01 cait            good morning caroline :)
14:01 caroline        good morning everyone!
13:57 cait            probably my fault, i tried to explain which i liked better - they took that more literally
13:57 cait            oleonard++ # thx for the screenshot :)
13:55 oleonard        Sure
13:55 cait            could you give some pointers maybe?
13:55 cait            I think maybe they didn't know they could jsut do it with css?
13:55 cait            i was going to ask you to look
13:55 cait            oleonard: you are reading my mind
13:50 oleonard        davidnind++
13:49 huginn          Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20679 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Remove 'rows per page' from reports print layout
13:49 oleonard        I don't think the patch on Bug 20679 does what the bug asks for, does it cait?
13:35 * oleonard      offers to donate blood to splitter.koha-community.org
12:45 calire          ashimema++
12:26 oleonard        Hi all
12:21 josef_moravec   thank you ashimema! I think I would have testers if there will be something new, but yes, looks like it needs to start again with this...
12:18 ashimema        but the bug as it stands I beleive has really reached a stalemate
12:17 ashimema        that's all a rough outline at this point though.. it's about finding funding and time now really on our side..
12:17 ashimema        then.. i want to come back to that bug and see how we might achieve their needs atop this new bug
12:16 ashimema        so.. bsz have written an RFC to try and cover and explain our use case and then one of us is aiming to write an alternative on an entirely new bug
12:16 ashimema        so yeah.. basically the existing bug doesn't really do what the majority of people in the wider world seem to think of as recalls.. bywater, ptfs-e and bsz included at least.
12:15 ashimema        back now.. that call for more invovled than I expected
12:15 ashimema        right.. sorry..
12:11 josef_moravec   And I don't like the old_recalls table ;)
12:10 huginn          Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19532 new feature, P3, ---, aleisha, ASSIGNED , Recalls for Koha
12:10 josef_moravec   bug 19532
12:10 josef_moravec   The use case of this RFC does make sense to me, but I think it should be enhancement of holds funcionality... which is not the case of bug
12:03 josef_moravec   https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Recall_RFC
12:03 * ashimema      was about to dig that out
12:01 cait            josef_moravec: calire put a new rfc on the wiki a few days ago
12:01 ashimema        will pm you josef
12:01 ashimema        lol.. that bug is a long story
11:57 cait            some easy qa? I got some really nice ones!
11:37 josef_moravec   ashimema: it could wait ;)
11:37 * ashimema      will try to multitask if you wanted to ask something go ahead
11:37 ashimema        oh.. phone.. brb
11:37 huginn          Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19532 new feature, P3, ---, aleisha, ASSIGNED , Recalls for Koha
11:37 josef_moravec   do you know what is the difference between recalls and holds here? bug 19532
11:36 josef_moravec   hi ashimema
11:36 ashimema        hi
11:36 josef_moravec   ashimema: around?
10:46 wahanui         bonjour, eythian
10:46 eythian         hi
09:39 koha-jenkins    Project Koha_17.11_D8 build #137: SUCCESS in 31 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_17.11_D8/137/
08:22 calire          hi matts
08:22 wahanui         hi, matts
08:22 matts           hi
08:14 cait            super foggy here right now
08:14 cait            i have a list if you need it
08:14 cait            ashimema++ thx
08:14 cait            ashimema: hm no strings to translate yet
08:14 ashimema        School run first though.. looks minging out there
08:14 ashimema        I'm on that this morning Cait.. devoting the morning to it before going back to work woke stuff 😆
08:13 ashimema        Done
08:12 davidnind       working through things that need sign-off from today (I've only done 1 of 7 so far though...)
08:08 cait            those kids are crazy fast.
08:08 cait            btw... i really need help with those open source academy patches
08:08 cait            ashimema: should be an exception tho
08:07 fridolin        i'm on no_coffee_yet error ;)
08:07 ashimema        Oh pants.. I forgot to send the string freeze email last night.. better wrattle one off now
08:07 fridolin        morning ;)
08:06 ashimema        Morning fridolins.
08:06 ashimema        S/case/cause/
08:06 fridolin        hi
08:05 ashimema        Little known thing, QA team can on occasion skip signoff if the patch is sufficiently simple and unlikely to case debate too. 😉
08:04 ashimema        Anyone can fail QA, only QA team can pass it
07:44 davidnind       too much documentation! :)
07:43 calire          ah cool! I was looking and hadn't found that page yet :D
07:42 davidnind       Makes better sense now!
07:42 davidnind       It's covered here on the wiki https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Bug-enhancement-patch_Workflow
07:39 reiveune        hello
07:37 davidnind       it's probably in the developer guide - I haven't looked though! :-D
07:36 calire          Maybe we could get it clarified
07:35 calire          I feel mean too
07:35 davidnind       your logic makes sense! (feeling a bit mean for failing something, but I guess it is all part of learning and the benefit of someone else looking at things!)
07:33 calire          there is no 'failed sign off' option and if it doesn't work then it wouldn't pass QA, I guess that would be my logic
07:32 calire          worst case teh developer will check and change it back to needs signoff
07:31 calire          :)
07:31 calire          I still find it scary
07:31 calire          so did I, but I was told to use it if it doesn't work
07:31 davidnind       in this case it does apply, but it doesn't do what it is supposed to do - I thought failed QA was for the QA team...
07:30 davidnind       thanks calire!
07:28 calire          if it doesn't apply...
07:28 calire          or does not apply
07:28 calire          davidnind failed QA
07:28 davidnind       If the status of a bug is currently  'Needs Signoff' and the patch doesn't work, what do I change the status to when I add my comments?
07:26 magnuse         kia ora andreashm and #koha