Time  Nick            Message
06:41 fridolin        yop
07:19 Guest2299       Project Koha_17.11_D8 build #112: SUCCESS in 35 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_17.11_D8/112/
07:23 ashimema        Mornin'
07:35 marcelr         hi #koha
07:36 josef_moravec   hi marcelr, ashimema, fridolin ;)
07:36 marcelr         hi josef_moravec
07:42 * cait          waves
07:42 cait            bbiab
07:43 reiveune        hello
07:43 wahanui         hey, reiveune
07:50 * fridolin      pushing in 17.11.x
07:50 fridolin        ashimema: its raining commits in stable branches ;)
07:53 alex_a          bonjour
07:53 wahanui         kia ora, alex_a
08:04 marcelr         fridolin: it was so dry this summer..
08:07 matts           hi
08:07 wahanui         bonjour, matts
08:14 fridolin        XD
08:25 ere             hi cait! Re bug 21793, that reminds me.. there are like a million different ways the fields in ES are named and I'm tempted to just take a sweep and unify them all..
08:25 huginn          Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21793 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Inconsistences between search fields and mappings
08:27 ere             This would probably be the time to do it since the ES changes will require reindexing anyway.
08:29 ashimema        Hehe, indeed
08:29 ashimema        Keeping up with kidclamp this week has been 'fun'.. haha
08:30 ashimema        Backports are starting to get a bit more involved too now.  These filters are driving me nuts, hehe
08:30 ashimema        Still, it's gonna be another bumper bugfix release.. these branches are getting good and mature now
08:31 Guest2299       Project Koha_17.11_D8 build #113: UNSTABLE in 33 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_17.11_D8/113/
08:32 ashimema        I'm stuck on a nasty one at the minute.. gotta downgrade my mariadb version to make the test happy locally.
08:32 ere             ashimema: I can only imagine the 'fun'
08:45 * andreashm     waves
08:46 ere             hi andreashm
08:46 andreashm       hi ere!
08:50 unaise          hai, there is any possibilities to get all information about a document in koha opac at its first window
09:01 * andreashm     has never noticed the holds_fill_targets table before. anyone know the point of this table?
09:02 cait            i think it's related to holds_queue
09:02 cait            storing the information about who has to pick what, as it can change with every run of hte job
09:06 andreashm       cait: thx
09:07 cait            np
09:10 andreashm       I wonder why we have data in that table... we don't run that job.
09:10 andreashm       Maybe old stuff. No timestamp in that table.
09:11 cait            it might beold yes
09:13 andreashm       nope, seems recent
09:13 andreashm       and looking at dev servers that has somewhat older data, there are rows there too.
09:14 andreashm       is there anything else that adds data here? item-level holds in general or something?
09:18 andreashm       ah, it could be the hold_itemtype_limit?
09:36 andreashm       where is khall when you need him? ;-)
09:36 andreashm       @seen khall
09:36 huginn          andreashm: khall was last seen in #koha 1 week, 6 days, 18 hours, 52 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: <khall> cait: I love it, get oleonard on that stat!
09:40 cait            I wonder what that was about
09:40 cait            andreashm: are you sure about the job not running?
09:41 cait            it could have reactivated as it's in the standard cron
09:43 andreashm       cait: oh, in what cron?
09:43 cait            I think it runs hourly
09:44 andreashm       ah yes, there it is
09:44 cait            http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=debian/koha-common.cron.hourly;h=4db64bbaa2195779e8b3e6acec0b30a691048bde;hb=edf50215b5e2282568f12f4d1e33dd8e56a467c8
09:44 andreashm       was looking at daily
09:44 andreashm       makes sense then
09:44 cait            shoudl not hurt you
09:44 cait            we have it running for all libraries, but most don't use it
09:44 andreashm       ok
09:44 cait            the holds queue report that is
09:44 andreashm       yeah, we don't use holds to pull
09:45 cait            holds queue
09:45 cait            holds to pull is something else :)
09:45 andreashm       bah. =)
09:46 andreashm       well, I don't think we use that report either
09:48 andreashm       I wonder if I should turn it off.
09:53 cait            you could, I think
09:56 Archie^         Hi Koha!  is there a table in which i can see if a borrower has borrowed any books (or if library lended out any books) ?
09:56 josef_moravec   Archie^: probably old_issues
09:57 Archie^         i mean if i as a customer check out a book, where will it be seen?
09:59 josef_moravec   Archie^: do you mean from opac?  There is a link "your reading history"
09:59 Archie^         no i mean from Database perspective
09:59 Archie^         if a customer comes into the library, checks out a book
10:00 josef_moravec   so the it is old_issues and issues tables the latter is for current checkouts, the first is for returned checkouts
10:03 Archie^         ahh thanks
10:23 coyas           hello koha world
10:27 magnuse         hello coyas!
10:35 coyas           i need a help with something
10:35 coyas           i have a dedicated server and i need to install koha
10:35 coyas           i need advise
10:36 josef_moravec   coyas: hi, what is the OS of that server? In which state are you now?
10:37 coyas           i am from cape verde islands, africa
10:37 coyas           i am using inmotionhosting.com (dedicated server)
10:40 josef_moravec   coyas: but which operating system do you have installed on that server? If any... if not, you will need to install one first
10:40 ashimema        you might struggle with CentOS.. we're very Debian centric with packages etc built for it..
10:40 ashimema        it will run on CentOS, but you'll need to do a fairly significant amount of work yourself to get it working in that environment (and it's not officially supported by the community and as such you won't get as much support here)
10:41 * ashimema      got CentOS from the hosting company blerb.. you might not be on CentOS at all?
10:48 marcelr         no centos for me
10:53 ashimema        we ran centos way back when
10:53 ashimema        but it's been a decade since I've used it ;)
10:55 marcelr         you dont like to install koha on centos
10:55 ashimema        did we loose coyas
10:55 marcelr         we scared him
10:55 ashimema        oops
10:55 ashimema        I thought I was being helpful ;)
10:56 marcelr         you are
10:56 ashimema        our first customers we on centos.. was fun getting stuff to build on it..
11:05 AndrewIsh       I just pulled latest master and got a bunch of "Perl modules missing" messages from the Web installer. Never seen that before, should I just install them manually?
11:05 coyas           no i am justing, looking if is possible to change to server OS to debian
11:06 coyas           the server OS to debian
11:07 marcelr         coyas: it would be the best choice
11:07 coyas           what i am trying to do is more than install koha
11:07 ashimema        `apt install koha-perldeps` AndrewIsh (IRC)
11:07 AndrewIsh       Thanks ashimema
11:08 * ashimema      seems to remember you already have the package repos setup on that dev server
11:08 AndrewIsh       I'll check
11:08 ashimema        you 'might' want to check your sources.list.d that your tracking the nightly/dev track
11:09 ashimema        I've been giving people this link allot lately: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian#Set_up_package_sources
11:09 ashimema        for dev I set my to `unstable`.. means you get dependancy updates as soon as Mirko packages them up :)
11:10 Archie^         what is the table that let's me see how many copies of books are left in a library? biblio has no information that regard
11:12 ashimema        erm.. items I think
11:14 Archie^         well that complicates things
11:15 Archie^         i have a database of different system that has something similar to "table_a contains marc21xml"   "table_b contains number of copies in library and id to table_a"
11:16 Archie^         so i migrated all marc21xml copies of into koha, but now i need to somehow modify the amount items in library
11:17 josef_moravec   Archie^: The best way to insert records and items is through stage/import  tools
11:17 josef_moravec   from GUI
11:18 Archie^         yah i did that
11:18 josef_moravec   Archie^: so what's wrong? The record does not contain items?
11:18 ashimema        it should handle items for you
11:18 Archie^         but table_a contains only singular marc21xml records so KOHA sees them as singular aswell
11:19 josef_moravec   Archie^: what is the source of these records?
11:19 Archie^         a different system that i'm trying to migrate into koha
11:19 josef_moravec   maybe they have items in different marc field?
11:20 josef_moravec   if so, you can handle it and import
11:21 Archie^         im thinking maybe koha has some 9xx field that correlates to "amount of items" ?
11:21 ashimema        you need field per item
11:22 josef_moravec   Archie^: somehow, koha has field 952, it is repetable and every field is one item
11:22 ashimema        I'm sure we've pointed you to these a few times already
11:22 andreashm       Archie^: does the old system have information about each item/copy (barcodes, or other id etc?) or just a value on copies that are connected to the marcxml?
11:22 * ashimema      goes back to release maintanence.. thanks for advicing josef :)
11:22 marcelr         ashimema: yet another PQA but not that comfortable..
11:23 josef_moravec   if the other system has items in another field, you can remap it in koha, or transofrm it in marcedit before importing into koha
11:23 marcelr         21608 holds
11:23 andreashm       each physical copy (=item) needs it's own row, not just a value
11:26 ashimema        I know the feeling on that one marcelr.. it's an area of code I'm not confident in at all regarding the foundations
11:26 ashimema        it's ripe for a run on building a tonne more tests and then refactoring the heck out of.
11:27 * josef_moravec thinks C4::Reserves needs much attention :(
11:27 ashimema        totally agree.. perhaps a target for next cycle
11:27 andreashm       yes indeed
11:28 andreashm       reserves and accountlines are the areas that would need the most improvement in my opinion.
11:28 ashimema        I've already got 'Recalls' a the top of my list for next cycle (along with the accounts tree I've built)
11:28 andreashm       lost of issues in regards to those two in the library here
11:28 ashimema        I think reserves/recalls should be written as a single well through feature myself.. not two very distinct things
11:29 ashimema        accountlines is moving forward fairly nicely now at least.. with Tomas, Yourself (josef) and I all attacking it I feel we're moving in the right direction
11:29 ashimema        many hands and all that
11:32 andreashm       anyplace one can get an overview of whats being done in regards to accounts/accountlines?
11:32 * andreashm     feel that how it is displayed in the UI needs some serious UX work
11:33 ashimema        right at this particular moment we're working through cleaning up backend code there andreashm.. but I'm all ears for UI/UX improvements.. sure we could onboard Owen ;)
11:33 josef_moravec   andreashm: see bug 14825
11:33 huginn          Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14825 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Accounts Rewrite Omnibus
11:34 ashimema        https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/showdependencygraph.cgi?id=14825 for the scary dependancy tree
11:34 andreashm       josef_moravec: thanks! I think I've looked there, but found it hard to see how all the pieces fit together
11:34 ashimema        there's a bunch of stuff hanging off 21002 which I intend to get moving straight after 18.11 release
11:35 Joubu           andreashm: you should ask tcohen or khall
11:35 Joubu           and hi #koha
11:35 * andreashm     just think he might have burnt his eyes from looking at that graph! =)
11:36 ashimema        allot of it is about pushing the functionality which currently spread all over koha's codebase into a couple of well formed modules and then using those everywhere.. stop us re-inventing the wheel so often and missing bits when doing so
11:36 ashimema        then enhanceing on top of that
11:36 ashimema        that's the plan anyways..
11:36 andreashm       Joubu: that's what I usually do! =)
11:36 andreashm       sounds like a good plan.
11:36 andreashm       I'll put in on my (way to long) todo list to rwview and see whre/if we can possibly help out.
11:37 andreashm       Because it's just to much trouble in that area right now...
11:38 andreashm       review
11:39 andreashm       Reserves page is in sore need of UX too...
11:39 * andreashm     should maybe push our UX:er to work with it
12:03 magnuse         andreashm++
12:04 andreashm       magnuse: maybe wait 'til we actually do anything? ;-)
12:04 Joubu           marcelr: Was your comment on bug 21576 actually for bug 21526?
12:04 huginn          Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21576 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Add a developer script to automatically fix missing filters
12:04 huginn          Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21526 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , TT variables used to build a link should be uri filtered
12:06 * andreashm     has bug 21608 and bug 21680 open on tabs next to each other, went of to read an e-mail, and was then very confused when returning to the browser. maybe it's a good thing it is Friday
12:06 huginn          Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21608 major, P5 - low, ---, nick, Passed QA , Arranging holds priority with dropdowns is faulty when there are waiting/intransit holds
12:06 huginn          Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21680 trivial, P5 - low, ---, josef.moravec, Pushed to Stable , Remove dead code C4::Accounts::fixaccounts
12:19 andreashm       ashimema: it seems a lot from the graph you posted is on its way into 18.11
12:20 ashimema        yup..
12:20 ashimema        but there is more to come :)
12:23 andreashm       good good
12:23 coyas           hi
12:23 wahanui         what's up, coyas
12:23 coyas           i'm back
12:23 andreashm       seems like a lot of it is moving thing to Koha::Account
12:24 andreashm       ashimema: any planned changes to the db? or ui?
12:24 andreashm       my focus is of course from the end-user perspective. =)
12:25 coyas           will be a nightmare if i change the CentOS to Debian, i will lose cpanel, WHM
12:25 coyas           i don't know how i will configure the server
12:25 coyas           kkkk
12:26 coyas           i will try install koha in CentOS
12:26 ashimema        most db changes are already there.. account_offsets was a big improvment
12:27 ashimema        allot of the work we're doing is to ensure the existing tables are getting properly populated for all cases.
12:27 tcohen          hi
12:27 ashimema        the actions log may have some minor changes in it's content to make it more consistent
12:28 ashimema        UI wise.. I've not reached that area at all yet.. but PTFS-E has some improvements they want to make based on top of this.. we have a 'Cash Management' enhancement which a couple of customers have been running for a couple of years now.. it adds tills and cashing up functionality along with change calculation
12:29 coyas           this site has same tips https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.10_on_Centos_6.3_x86_64_en
12:29 ashimema        we couldn't submit it before now because Accounts was such a mess and a fast moving mess at that.
12:30 ashimema        indeed coyas.. if you're competant and confortable in CentOS you should be able to run it.. it's just not recommended and you'r unlikely to get much useufl help from here as we're all using Debian (or debian derivatives) these days
12:30 ashimema        the packages built for debian are by in far the easiest way to install and maintain these days
12:31 coyas           i am not confortable with centos, i never had used it before
12:32 coyas           i like fedora or debian
12:37 coyas           my company buy this server
12:37 andreashm       hi tcohen! talking accountlines. =)
12:37 coyas           i hated
12:37 coyas           i hate
12:38 oleonard        Hi #koha
12:38 tcohen          what aboutn accountlines?
12:38 andreashm       all the work being done there
12:38 andreashm       and how we feel the ui needs improvement
12:39 andreashm       tcohen: ^^
12:40 andreashm       (we=stockholm uni)
12:41 andreashm       ashimema: sounds interesting the work you've done with "cash management".
12:42 ashimema        our local council customers love it.
12:43 ashimema        though getting the right till drawer to open has been 'challenging' to say the least
12:43 ashimema        Point Of Sale inside a browser is just plain hard
12:43 andreashm       =)
12:44 Guest2299       Project Koha_17.11_D8 build #114: STILL UNSTABLE in 35 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_17.11_D8/114/
12:53 Joubu           fridolin: hum, do not you run tests when you backport?
12:54 fridolin        yep but its something random i thuink
12:54 Joubu           Can't locate t/lib/Selenium.pm
12:54 Joubu           does not sound random
12:54 fridolin        ah yep
12:54 fridolin        i dont have Selenium but it should be on jenkins
12:55 Joubu           it's not a selenium lib, t::lib::Selenium is part of Koha
12:55 Joubu           but 17.11.x
12:56 * ashimema      tries to always run tests.. but is faliable ;)
12:57 fridolin        ah ok in src lib/selenium
12:59 Joubu           fridolin: it's bug 19802
12:59 huginn          Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19802 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, RESOLVED FIXED, Move Selenium code to its own module
13:00 fridolin        thanks
13:00 Joubu           but not sure it will be backportable easily
13:31 Guest2299       Project Koha_18.05_D8 build #113: SUCCESS in 25 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.05_D8/113/
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13:46 caroline        good morning everyone!
13:46 cait            oleonard: hope my rebase was ok for the basket column patch
13:46 oleonard        If it works it works!
13:49 Freddy_Enrique  Greetings koha :)
13:50 caroline        Hi Freddy_Enrique!
13:50 Freddy_Enrique  Hi there Caroline
13:52 cait            oleonard: i thikn i got a bit over-excited late lats night (blames too much tea :) )
13:53 Guest2299       Project Koha_18.05_D9 build #114: SUCCESS in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.05_D9/114/
13:55 oleonard        This authorised value category related to Housebound delivery, HSBND_FREQ, reads "Husband frequency" to me, and... you go girl!
13:56 Joubu           !jenkins status
13:56 Guest2299       Joubu you may not issue bot commands in this chat!
13:56 AnnaBoten       Error: "jenkins" is not a valid command.
13:57 cait            lol
13:59 Joubu           !jenkins status
13:59 Guest2299       Joubu you may not issue bot commands in this chat!
13:59 AnnaBoten       Error: "jenkins" is not a valid command.
13:59 wahanui         i already had it that way, AnnaBoten.
13:59 Joubu           ho ho, slow down bots
14:05 Archie^         hey cait  can you remind me what was the way to run bulkmarcimport.pl ?
14:06 cait            -h?
14:07 Archie^         no i mean there was some sort of a bash instance root_password, or something
14:07 Joubu           !jenkins status
14:07 AnnaBoten       Error: "jenkins" is not a valid command.
14:07 wahanui         i already had it that way, AnnaBoten.
14:07 Joubu           koha-jenkins: status!
14:08 Joubu           koha-jenkins: !jenkins status
14:09 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 21413: (QA follow-up) Fix tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=08fa7014c065e5a5bf3d2e9e6fd50c52f45a068a>
14:09 Joubu           wt.
14:09 cait            kshell
14:09 cait            or koha-shell with the instance name
14:09 Archie^         oh sweet thanks
14:19 Joubu           !jenkins abort Koha_Master_U18
14:19 AnnaBoten       Error: "jenkins" is not a valid command.
14:19 wahanui         i already had it that way, AnnaBoten.
14:19 Joubu           !jenkins build Koha_Master_U18
14:19 AnnaBoten       Error: "jenkins" is not a valid command.
14:19 wahanui         i already had it that way, AnnaBoten.
14:19 Joubu           you are all stupid bots
14:21 Joubu           !jenkins help
14:21 AnnaBoten       Error: "jenkins" is not a valid command.
14:21 wahanui         i already had it that way, AnnaBoten.
14:22 Joubu           help meeeeeeeee
14:22 ashimema        Lol
14:22 oleonard        This is just like the opening sequence of The Terminator!
14:28 Joubu           Could someone op me?
14:31 oleonard        magnuse? gmcharlt? ^^
14:32 oleonard        caroline: I'm looking at authorised_values_categories and I notice that some which are inserted by default in Koha are not documented: branches, CAND, cn_source, CONTROL_NUM_SEQUENCE, itemtypes
14:32 magnuse         what should i do?
14:32 oleonard        caroline: Do you know anything about them?
14:32 Joubu           thx magnuse
14:33 oleonard        Perhaps someone else knows why branches, CAND, cn_source, CONTROL_NUM_SEQUENCE, itemtypes are in auth_val_cat.sql but undocumented?
14:33 Joubu           !jenkins status
14:33 AnnaBoten       Error: "jenkins" is not a valid command.
14:33 wahanui         i already had it that way, AnnaBoten.
14:33 caroline        oleonard: are branches, cn_source and itemtypes really authorised values?
14:33 * magnuse       have fun #koha!
14:33 caroline        even CONTROL_NUM_SEQUENCE, I'm not sure I've ever seen that in auth values
14:34 oleonard        caroline: They are authorised value categories
14:34 oleonard        In the authorised_value_categories table
14:34 oleonard        ...which I think may only be used when displaying authorised values in administration
14:35 caroline        I think they are populated automatically and used for reports
14:35 Joubu           !jenkins help
14:35 AnnaBoten       Error: "jenkins" is not a valid command.
14:35 wahanui         i already had it that way, AnnaBoten.
14:35 caroline        I've never seen them in admin > auth values
14:35 caroline        I'm checking my master now, but in my 18.05 they are not there
14:37 * caroline      is going through the whole web installer thing again... ¬_¬
14:39 koha-jenkins    Project Koha_Master_D9 build #605: SUCCESS in 30 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/605/
14:40 koha-jenkins    Yippee, build fixed!
14:40 koha-jenkins    Project Koha_Master_D8 build #101: FIXED in 26 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/101/
14:40 oleonard        caroline: Maybe they're not inserted by default after all? I assumed so because auth_val_cat.sql is in data/mysql/mandatory
14:40 Joubu           they are
14:44 caroline        going through web installer and I'm missing a Perl Module called "Sys::CPU". If I do sudo cpan Sys::CPU it says Warning: Cannot install Sys::CPU, don't know what it is. is this normal?
14:44 caroline        Its not blocking me from continuing, but I just find it weird
14:46 oleonard        I don't know if that indicates a problem with the installation process but you can run 'sudo apt-get install libsys-cpu-perl' to fix it
14:46 cait            lost track, but are you still wondering about the auth values?
14:47 cait            branches, itemtypes and cn_source are 'fake' ones - I think because the frameworks treat them as authorised values
14:47 cait            the control number one is brand new
14:47 cait            a feature for rancor to generate 001 values
14:47 caroline        branches and cn_source are not there https://snag.gy/CiQoh3.jpg
14:47 cait            yes, because you can't change them
14:47 cait            but if you look at the framework configuration, you can pick them there
14:48 caroline        that's what I thought... They are used in reports as well
14:48 cait            and it will give alistof those things from the other tables
14:48 cait            correct
14:48 cait            but maintained not as an authorised value
14:48 caroline        so were just missing CAND and CONTROL_NUM_SEQUENCE in the manual
14:49 cait            caroline: bug 18418
14:49 huginn          Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18418 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nick, Failed QA , Advanced Editor - Rancor - Add a control number widget
14:49 cait            for the latter
14:49 cait            CAND i thinks is some UNIMARC thing
14:50 caroline        unimarc... you can always count on it to confuse us ;)
14:50 cait            nstaller/data/mysql/fr-CA/facultatif/auth_val.sql
14:50 cait            it appears in the installer for unimarc
14:50 cait            hm mor ethe canadian one not unimarc
14:50 cait            and prelinekd in the unimarc frameworks: installer/data/mysql/fr-FR/marcflavour/unimarc_lecture_pub/Obligatoire/autorites_norme_unimarc.sql:INSERT INTO `auth_subfield_structure` (`authtypecode`, `tagfield`, `tagsubfield`, `liblibrarian`, `libopac`, `repeatable`, `mandatory`, `tab`, `authorised_value`, `value_builder`, `seealso`, `isurl`, `hidden`, `linkid`, `kohafield`, `frameworkcode`) VALUES ('SNC', '250', 'b', 'Statut', '', 0, 0, -1, 'C
14:50 cait            AND
14:51 caroline        why is it mandatory in english but optional in french?
14:51 cait            i think because the installers drifted apart... maybe? not sure about that one
14:51 Joubu           installer files are sometimes wrong
14:52 caroline        cait: bug 18418 is FQA, is the auth value category added by another bug?
14:52 Archie^         hmm if i'm using bulkmarcimport -append -l is there some default drectory logs are stored ?
14:53 cait            huh
14:53 cait            could it be a leftover fom earlier testing?
14:54 cait            caroline: hm, it hink thereis anotherbug that was pushed
14:54 cait            i remember corilynn was working on it
14:54 cait            bug 19263
14:54 wahanui         bug 19263 is ready for inspection
14:55 huginn          Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19263 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, carnold, RESOLVED FIXED, Advanced Editor - Rancor - Add auto control number (001) widget
14:55 cait            dupicate
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14:56 oleonard        Ah so branches, itemtypes and cn_source must be deliberately excluded from the authorised value editor
14:56 Joubu           yep
14:57 Joubu           they are in the table to have a foreign key constraint at DB level
14:58 caroline        added CAND and CONTROL_NUM_SEQUENCE to the docs to-do :)
14:59 oleonard        All of this because I think the authorized values list should look something like this: https://zivotdesign.com/p/#1/15417755027092
15:00 oleonard        Because if you think about it, the current interface is a weird anomaly.
15:00 caroline        cool!
15:00 caroline        Will the button "New auth value for Asort1" be moved to the end of the row?
15:01 cait            oleonard: that would not work for translations
15:01 cait            not easily
15:01 cait            i mean we could add the description to the db
15:01 caroline        cait why? Isn't the description in the template?
15:01 cait            but the file for example is not in the installers... it's global (nice)
15:01 oleonard        cait: Currently the template contains *some* of those descriptions but not all. All we have to do is add the rest and keep them up to date.
15:02 cait            you can add your own... so maybe a mixed approach
15:02 cait            i didn't notice the interface contained any :)
15:02 cait            having a descrption field for displaying info about the ones you added might be nice
15:02 cait            and hte number of entried for each
15:02 oleonard        http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/admin/authorised_values.tt;h=14b584f355bc3eccf89842d96c649cb0167e78fc;hb=HEAD#l184
15:02 cait            nice!
15:03 oleonard        Those descriptions do appear on the page when a particular category is selected but it's very unobtrusive.
15:04 oleonard        caroline: Yes to your button idea
15:05 caroline        I like it, it's much clearer
15:09 Joubu           oleonard: did you write a patch for the screenshot you sent?
15:09 oleonard        It's in progress
15:09 Joubu           great :)
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15:22 ashimema        poop
15:22 ashimema        oh..
15:22 ashimema        maybe not me
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15:28 ashimema        grr.. dopy typo
15:31 ashimema        oleonard around?
15:31 oleonard        Yes
15:31 ashimema        hugs
15:31 ashimema        favour?
15:31 ashimema        https://gitlab.com/mrenvoize/Koha/commit/52028d9932ce1d10ad690261d8f6983b074b2909
15:31 ashimema        fancy walking me through the sccs => css backport for that?
15:32 oleonard        Oh sure, no problem
15:32 * oleonard      checks
15:33 ashimema        or I could be super lazy and just not clean up staff-global.css to be entirely honest ;)
15:33 ashimema        as no classes actually refer to it after the rest of the patch is backported..
15:33 ashimema        it just sorta feels a bit naughty
15:33 Joubu           ashimema: +            user_id     => $logged_in_user->id
15:33 Joubu           sure about that?
15:34 ashimema        pretty sure
15:34 ashimema        nope.. not at all
15:34 Joubu           you are expecting userid?
15:34 ashimema        ->borrowernumber
15:34 oleonard        ashimema: I think this is what you need: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/css/staff-global.css;h=5c219a8806741249567b2b9d6d47eda3eff5fa7f;hb=0ad36566b8975dcbbd5d939a886358dfd180cb68#l995
15:34 ashimema        curse our objects/dbic/tables not agreeing with each other.
15:35 Joubu           ashimema: ok, so yes. That is confusing IMO
15:35 Joubu           'borrowernumber => $logged_in_user->borrowernumber' reads better
15:35 Joubu           (yes I know, you are not adding the new param)
15:35 ashimema        oh ffs.. I even tested it.. but entirely forgot to refresh memcached between the config switch
15:36 * ashimema      thinks the weekend can't come soon enough
15:38 ashimema        thanks for catching it Joubu
15:38 Joubu           ashimema: it's ok if you need borrowernumber I'd say
15:40 Joubu           accountlines.manager_id is not a FK (??)
15:40 ashimema        nope.. seems not
15:41 Joubu           tcohen: ^ ?
15:41 ashimema        at least that's what tomas said in the bug
15:42 * ashimema      needs to work on his pre-commit hook a little
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15:42 ashimema        is what you put on the wiki what you're running with at the moment out of interest Joubu
15:42 ashimema        there's some annoyances I'd like to fix
15:43 ashimema        like the experimental use of give and when
15:43 ashimema        and the 'use' statement mis-identification on user_id lines
15:44 Joubu           nope I am no longer running it
15:45 Joubu           ashimema: when I was RM I used the pre-push hook, from https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Release_management
15:45 ashimema        lol
15:46 ashimema        yeah.. I use a slightly adapted pre-push hook
15:46 ashimema        and a pre-commit hook too
15:47 Freddy_Enrique  uhm... I can not put arroba here... damn alt+64
15:47 Joubu           the pre-commit hook drove me crazy, because I want to `git commit -a -m"wip"` without any checks
15:47 Joubu           and quickly
15:47 ashimema        fair enough
15:47 ashimema        make sense
15:47 ashimema        I tend to 'stash' for that
15:47 Joubu           maybe there is a --no-check flag for git commit
15:48 Joubu           yeah but then you have 30 stashes and you do not remember which one was the good noe
15:48 ashimema        true
15:48 Joubu           and stash pop on the wrong branch will mess everything up :)
15:48 ashimema        I also use git worktree
15:49 ashimema        so i have in effect two clones at all times (only they don't take up the space of two clones of course)
15:49 ashimema        so I have my longer running work on one branch and then lots of quick throw away branches on the other worktree
15:49 oleonard        For me 'git stash list' is like opening a mysterious time capsule which was buried by another person
15:49 ashimema        hehe
15:50 ashimema        know that feeling
15:51 Joubu           git stash list|wc -l # 339
15:51 Joubu           oops
15:51 ashimema        yowsers
15:51 eythian         I regularly zap my stash stack
15:51 ashimema        I have a max of 6 or so
15:52 eythian         it used to get quite bad when I didn't know that git stash apply wasn't the same as git stash pop
15:52 oleonard        It's like the books at the bottom of the pile you checked out at the library: You're not getting to those, just return them.
15:52 Joubu           "I am sure there is something useful I left behind in one of them"...
15:53 pastebot        Someone at pasted "lol maybe not" (21 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/177
15:56 Joubu           ashimema: I have no idea why jenkins is not shuting down
15:58 oleonard        josef_moravec++
16:01 ashimema        odd
16:01 ashimema        probably because I keep feeding him?
16:01 ashimema        lol
16:03 caroline        in accounts.inc, why is there W for Writeoff, but also WO for Writeoff?
16:05 ashimema        history
16:05 ashimema        if you want a Koha dev to cry.. ask them to look at account codes.
16:05 ashimema        ;)
16:05 ashimema        tcohen, josef and I are on a mission to clean that all up though at the moment ;)
16:06 tcohen          indeed
16:06 caroline        ok thanks... It's just weird when we're translating
16:06 caroline        there's also C and CR for credit
16:06 Joubu           !jenkins status
16:06 AnnaBoten       Error: "jenkins" is not a valid command.
16:06 wahanui         i already had it that way, AnnaBoten.
16:06 Joubu           ok, I give up
16:06 ashimema        even more wierd when your relying on those code to write code that actions upon them ;)
16:07 caroline        Joubu: I think jenkins is hiding from you...
16:08 ashimema        I think Jenkins has a full belly from all the code kidclamp, fridolin and I are feeding him at the minute
16:08 caroline        is it because he changed his name to koha-jenkins that it's not working?
16:09 Joubu           I changed the name, 'jenkins' is registered and so becomes Guestxxx
16:13 tcohen          !koha-jenkins: help
16:13 AnnaBoten       Error: "koha-jenkins:" is not a valid command.
16:13 tcohen          koha-jenkins: help
16:13 Joubu           the command is !jenkins
16:13 Joubu           !jenkins status
16:13 AnnaBoten       Error: "jenkins" is not a valid command.
16:13 wahanui         i already had it that way, AnnaBoten.
16:14 tcohen          !koha-jenkins
16:14 AnnaBoten       Error: "koha-jenkins" is not a valid command.
16:14 Joubu           should work
16:14 Joubu           !jenkins help
16:14 AnnaBoten       Error: "jenkins" is not a valid command.
16:14 wahanui         i already had it that way, AnnaBoten.
16:14 Joubu           the doc says you should be either op or voice
16:14 tcohen          WARNING: org.acegisecurity.userdetails.UsernameNotFoundException: Password is not set:
16:15 reiveune        bye
16:16 * ashimema      can't remember the last time he say AnnaBoten (IRC)
16:17 Joubu           !start
16:17 AnnaBoten       The hunt starts now!
16:17 caroline        uh oh!
16:19 * CrispyBran    waves
16:19 Joubu           have a great week-end #koha
16:20 CrispyBran      you too Joubu
16:20 AnnaBoten       \_o< quack!
16:21 caroline        are we supposed to shoot the ducks?
16:21 tcohen          !koha-jenkins: status
16:21 AnnaBoten       Error: "koha-jenkins:" is not a valid command.
16:21 wahanui         i already had it that way, AnnaBoten.
16:21 tcohen          koha-jenkins: status
16:23 Freddy_Enrique  Excuse guy, one question
16:24 Freddy_Enrique  does the system automatically generate back ups?
16:24 Freddy_Enrique  If so, where could I find it?
16:25 oleonard        Freddy_Enrique: No, not automatically.
16:26 Freddy_Enrique  I see.. what happens is that a partner of mine has one particular problem
16:26 Freddy_Enrique  In the intranet he can see al his records, but on the opac nothing pops up
16:27 caroline        at least the records are not lost
16:27 Freddy_Enrique  it's like if it doesn't have records in the fisrt place
16:27 Freddy_Enrique  he is sing 17.05
16:27 Freddy_Enrique  using*
16:28 caroline        If the records are in the intranet, they are there
16:28 caroline        not lost
16:28 caroline        did the opac ever work?
16:30 Freddy_Enrique  yep, that problem began when they did a little migration
16:36 koha-jenkins    Yippee, build fixed!
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16:41 koha-jenkins    Yippee, build fixed!
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16:44 caroline        Freddy_Enrique: is it just the new records (from the migration) that don't appear?
16:53 koha-jenkins    Project Koha_17.11_D8 build #116: STILL UNSTABLE in 44 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_17.11_D8/116/
16:55 * cbrannon[A]   is now away - Reason : Meeting
17:03 Freddy_Enrique  They have 5 library branches
17:03 Freddy_Enrique  in the intranet, when searching in one of the appear 520 records
17:04 koha-jenkins    Project Koha_18.05_D8 build #116: SUCCESS in 22 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.05_D8/116/
17:04 Freddy_Enrique  when searching the same branch on the opac though, just appear 5 records
17:07 koha-jenkins    Yippee, build fixed!
17:07 koha-jenkins    Project Koha_18.05_D9 build #117: FIXED in 28 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.05_D9/117/
17:25 ashimema        Fixed? I thought it was already happy
17:38 koha-jenkins    Project Koha_18.05_U18 build #119: SUCCESS in 45 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.05_U18/119/
18:03 tcohen          +jenkins
18:07 * CrispyBran    is no longer away : Gone for 1 hour 11 minutes 57 seconds
18:15 CrispyBran      bug 21346 - Yay!
18:15 huginn          Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21346 major, P5 - low, ---, cbrannon, Signed Off , Clean up dialogs in returns.pl / Fix waiting holds at wrong location bug
18:24 ashimema        jenkins++
18:28 CrispyBran      @Seen Joubu
18:28 huginn          CrispyBran: Joubu was last seen in #koha 2 hours, 8 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <Joubu> have a great week-end #koha
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18:53 Freddy_Enrique  Guys.... my friend's koha went crazy
18:53 Freddy_Enrique  now he cant'see anything even in the intranet
18:53 Freddy_Enrique  uhm, any way to get back to what is used to be?
18:58 oleonard        Freddy_Enrique: If the database isn't bad you could try doing a clean installation and importing the db into that.
18:59 * cbrannon[A]   is now away - Reason : Auto-Away after 30 minutes
19:04 oleonard        Bug 21805
19:05 huginn          Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21805 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Duplicate include file in search results template causes JS error
19:05 oleonard        Trivial fix for a bug that really shouldn't be in the next release
19:07 Freddy_Enrique  oleonard: Uhm, and is there a specific folder where I can get the back up?
19:08 Freddy_Enrique  I saw something about automatic cron
19:08 oleonard        You use mysqldump to back up the mysql database
19:08 Freddy_Enrique  with bad... what do you mean ?:(
19:09 oleonard        Freddy_Enrique: I mean if the problem is how Koha is running as opposed to what the data is in the database
19:09 oleonard        It seems much more likely that the problem is in how Koha is running, but maybe I'm wrong.
19:10 oleonard        The packages have tools for creating backups but I haven't used them: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Commands_provided_by_the_Debian_packages#koha-dump
19:16 Freddy_Enrique  I thought I could solve the problem with reboot, but nothing happens
19:16 Freddy_Enrique  ok... I'll try with your tips :)
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19:58 oleonard        Happy weekend everyone
20:37 * CrispyBran    waves
22:36 caroline        bye everyone!