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23:30 caroline    bye everybody!
23:15 huginn      News from kohagit: Bug 15494: Update display of renewal errors <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=72750cf3b7001b02237c4145121e1071b2ca65da>
23:15 huginn      News from kohagit: Bug 15494: Add syspref <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b170f77d10bfc05eb346361c8d61819779fdd798>
23:15 huginn      News from kohagit: Bug 15494: (QA follow-up) Additional polishing <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=114c1dfb2c0d8a14ea12e800ab57f1f942d0aa2b>
23:15 huginn      News from kohagit: Bug 18316: Add weighting/relevancy options to ES query on simple search <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fa853f7d38a5addafe21fb3cabdaaa9cc692bb12>
23:15 huginn      News from kohagit: Bug 18316: Ability to weight search fields <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5f0bc6e457f19b889d5f12ee92d6ca5e5effdf42>
23:15 huginn      News from kohagit: Bug 18316: String changes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9db54580a64ecb8aacbcbe8f65abeb244db7275a>
23:15 huginn      News from kohagit: Bug 20602: Use weighted fields in OPAC simple search <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4a060e18f994d98e6212c8578ab358c54820a97b>
23:15 huginn      News from kohagit: Bug 18316: (follow-up) Koha::SearchField::search_marc_maps return a result set -... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9380134a026c3927373557d9bb4cb6d7082a8b7c>
23:15 huginn      News from kohagit: Bug 18316: Change search field weight field to decimal <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=474b9a1672b3b62d8c24fe72127bdadd1a11ff3f>
23:15 huginn      News from kohagit: Bug 18316: Fix field weight validation/deletion bug <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=74198af0fe01035a6fcbf7af75fedcc06f4ae5d8>
23:15 huginn      News from kohagit: Bug 21299: Add localReferer function to Util module, add test <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=db539f4dc0b5f7ceb0726c97c95310d5b853de15>
23:15 huginn      News from kohagit: Bug 21299: Introduce localReferer in [opac-]changelanguage.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=07d5f76225a3acd905fecf53ccdc4f52474d7ffc>
23:15 huginn      News from kohagit: Bug 18316: (follow-up) Fix tests and update statement <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0bfcac5a079318be7c5d20c6d52af45169eab922>
23:15 huginn      News from kohagit: Bug 21299: (QA follow-up) Rename module and subroutine <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5755f30b1b472b5fbf1d8e8fd031efdcd1ed0518>
23:15 huginn      News from kohagit: Bug 15494: (follow-up) Move yaml syspref code to its own sub in SySpref object <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4ed7a533ab437a72524f7b3ef660814999fde951>
23:15 huginn      News from kohagit: Bug 15494: (follow-up) Update tests to generate their own data (no delete) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5594afb9c29a8b6db2a493330652f8766ae1b53a>
23:15 huginn      News from kohagit: Bug 18316: (follow-up) remove use_dis_max <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=973bc0aceba522301217817239f1a9388ffda145>
23:15 huginn      News from kohagit: Bug 18316: (QA follow-up) Add final missing filter <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=529d8cd7307cc34ebd1a9a58256ad9ed00e33c42>
23:15 huginn      News from kohagit: Bug 15494: DBRev 18.06.00.053 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=dc43a4b4b3d7cb622bb5c91a25dabf4c5e2ccbdb>
23:15 huginn      News from kohagit: Bug 18316: DBRev 18.06.00.054 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=07526d897a566c082860120c721bc1c610a24e48>
21:41 thd         ashimema: While I do not have time presently to put forward a proposal, I see how some underused features of bugzilla and some projects based on the bugzilla API could be used for task management and kanban.
21:41 * andreashm waves
21:41 ashimema    good night #koha
21:41 huginn      ashimema: The operation succeeded.
21:41 ashimema    @later tell Joubu I'll pick off some of those new qa-tools issues and send merge requests unless you beat me to them
21:36 oleonard_   bye again
21:35 * ashimema  adds those issues quickly then heads to bed.. I'm such an old man now..
21:34 alexbuckley kidclamp++ ashimema++
21:34 ashimema    kidclamp++
21:33 kidclamp    thanks all
21:33 huginn      Log:            http://meetings.koha-community.org/2018/development_irc_meeting_7_november_2018.2018-11-07-21.00.log.html
21:33 huginn      Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2018/development_irc_meeting_7_november_2018.2018-11-07-21.00.txt
21:33 huginn      Minutes:        http://meetings.koha-community.org/2018/development_irc_meeting_7_november_2018.2018-11-07-21.00.html
21:33 huginn      Meeting ended Wed Nov  7 21:33:53 2018 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
21:33 kidclamp    #endmeeting
21:33 kidclamp    #info Next meeting: 21 November 2018, 14UTC
21:33 kidclamp    we have a general next week if I need to grab anyone, and we have email, hopefully I will survive my first release :-D
21:32 ashimema    probably not.. you've got enough on your plate so can just catch people directly as needed ;)
21:32 ashimema    sounds good to me.. you didn't want anything more regular with release looming.
21:31 kidclamp    21 November 2018, 14 UTC?
21:31 kidclamp    #topic Set time of next meeting
21:31 ashimema    bit earlier in the day next meeting..
21:31 ashimema    I think that's our lot
21:30 kidclamp    just time of next meeting unless anyone has anything else
21:29 kidclamp    moving on?
21:29 oleonard_   Somehow I lost my connection without realizing it... sorry if I missed any questions directed at me
21:29 oleonard    That's it from me unless someone has objections
21:29 kidclamp    ashimema++
21:29 * ashimema  will go add them as issues now
21:29 ashimema    then we can pick them off.. rather than just adding to joubu's list
21:28 ashimema    we should record those as issues against the qa-tools repo in gitlab really..
21:27 huginn      kidclamp: The operation succeeded.
21:27 kidclamp    @later tell joubu #idea add checks for javascript in head, yui- grid classes and no type for javascript to QA script
21:27 cait        #idea add checks for javascript in head, yui- grid classes and no type for javascript to QA script
21:26 ashimema    indeed
21:26 cait        no js in head should be testable
21:26 ashimema    hehe
21:25 cait        sensible
21:25 kidclamp    people who don't attend are signifying willingness to volunteer, no?
21:25 ashimema    less sure how on that one
21:25 ashimema    that could probably also be added to the qa script maybe..
21:24 oleonard    New templates shouldn't be added with JS in the <head>
21:24 cait        someone volunteering? :)
21:24 oleonard    Lastly I wanted to remind everyone about this: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines#JS12:_Include_javascript_at_the_end_of_template
21:24 ashimema    that should be simple nough to add i think
21:24 kidclamp    oleonard++
21:23 oleonard    I think a check for classes containing "yui-" would be good
21:23 andreashm   sounds good
21:23 cait        it's hard to keep everything in mind
21:23 cait        especially additions to qa script
21:23 cait        sounds both good
21:22 ashimema    you beat me
21:22 ashimema    haha
21:22 ashimema    do we need anything in the qa script to help catch that oleonard?
21:22 kidclamp    I think those are all sensible
21:22 oleonard    I'd love to get an addition to the QA tools checking for that.
21:21 oleonard    Also: New templates shouldn't use any YUI grid markup
21:21 ashimema    hehe
21:21 cait        x
21:21 cait        ashimema++ th
21:20 cait        #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
21:20 oleonard    Same for the "CDATA" markers in <script>
21:20 cait        oops
21:20 oleonard    New templates shouldn't include it.
21:20 oleonard    I'm cleaning up the "type" attribute from <script> tags any time I update a template.
21:20 oleonard    I just wanted to highlight some new things in the HTML & JS coding guidelines. I don't know if these require a vote
21:19 kidclamp    you have some suggestions?
21:19 oleonard    Present
21:19 wahanui     oleonard is seeing some buggy stuff though
21:19 kidclamp    oleonard?
21:19 kidclamp    #topic Review of coding guidelines
21:19 kidclamp    #info tabled for next meeting
21:18 thd         The wiki page for the bug appears to show good research.
21:18 ashimema    yeah.. lets shift it to the next meeting
21:18 ashimema    I'll admit I don't follow translation closely enough to understand that one
21:18 kidclamp    I have not been involved enough in the translation work to know what is needed, but perhaps we should table as is light meeting tonight?
21:17 kidclamp    the frama is closed - I don't htink anyone objected, I believe he wants help in testing/implementing?
21:16 kidclamp    #link https://framavox.org/d/2juWqIMz/internationalization-plural-forms-context-and-more
21:16 ashimema    what did anyone want to say about it>
21:16 kidclamp    #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Internationalization,_plural_forms,_context,_and_more_RFC
21:15 kidclamp    #info      Internationalization, plural forms, context, and more RFC, Framavox
21:15 kidclamp    #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...)
21:15 ashimema    go for it I reckon
21:15 kidclamp    moving on?
21:13 kidclamp    full queue = full release
21:13 kidclamp    qateam++
21:13 kidclamp    something to track the big things happening and who is doing what
21:13 ashimema    I think on the qa front cait just wanted to thank everyone for their efforts the last couple of weeks.. we've got loads done (sorry kidclamp for filling your queue to the brim)
21:12 kidclamp    taiga was proposed last release, but it didn't catch on
21:12 greenjimll  project planner?
21:12 greenjimll  what sort of organizational tool?
21:12 kidclamp    Joubu mentioned wanting to find an organizational tool this morning - if anyone has any thoughts it would be helpful
21:11 ashimema    Mmm.. pretty spares on the QA team front tonight
21:11 ashimema    #info 18.05.x is looking for an rmaint for next cycle, I'd love to pass it on to a new happy owner (and will support as best I can)
21:11 kidclamp    I don't think we have most of the team here
21:11 kidclamp    #topic Updates from the QA team
21:10 kidclamp    especially this  release
21:10 kidclamp    stable is the hard one, lots of rebasing :-)
21:10 ashimema    it's been a great learning experience for me this cycle.. and I've been mad enough to offer stable branch rmaint again.
21:10 kidclamp    #info RMaints spoke this morning in general. things are moving along nicely, a few big bugs
21:09 kidclamp    also, looking for an 18.05 maintainer - if you ever wanted to get your hands dirty, now is a good time
21:09 ashimema    #info Working through my rmaint queue after a couple of weeks of concentrating on SO/QA before feature slush... slowly catching back up.
21:08 kidclamp    ashimema fridolin?
21:08 kidclamp    #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers
21:08 kidclamp    #topic
21:08 greenjimll  #info Jon Knight, Loughborough University
21:08 kidclamp    and it won't have typos
21:08 kidclamp    great
21:08 kidclamp    #info working on queue, keep jenkins happy, release is going to be greay
21:07 kidclamp    that's all for me
21:07 ashimema    I'll try to keep more of an eye on Jenkins than usual and offer a hand
21:07 oleonard    Agenda: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_7_November_2018
21:06 kidclamp    I think we can get it done
21:06 ashimema    :)
21:06 kidclamp    Lot in the queue, will do my best to clean it up, busy day
21:06 kidclamp    I got voted for a second term,  will continune reign of terror
21:05 ashimema    Hows the queue looking.. are you confident of getting through it before freeze?
21:05 kidclamp    help is appreciated for bugs and keeping jenkins happy
21:05 kidclamp    working on pushing things
21:05 kidclamp    I mentioned slush/freeze
21:05 kidclamp    #topic Update from the Release manager (18.11)
21:05 ashimema    nothing from me for anouncements
21:04 kidclamp    seems no
21:04 ashimema    no Joubu?
21:04 kidclamp    Anyone else?
21:04 kidclamp    #info We are in feature slush, freeze is approaching
21:03 thd         #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
21:03 oleonard    #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, USA
21:03 kidclamp    #topic Announcements
21:02 ashimema    yes, yes there is thd
21:02 kidclamp    there is thd
21:02 thd         Is there not a meeting now?
21:02 ashimema    apologies.. this morning for alexbuckley
21:02 kidclamp    dual meeting days
21:02 ashimema    quiet tonight
21:01 alexbuckley #info Alex Buckley, Catalyst IT NZ
21:01 andreashm   #info Andreas Hedström Mace, Stockholm University Library
21:00 ashimema    #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe
21:00 kidclamp    #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions
21:00 kidclamp    #topic Introductions
21:00 huginn      The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_7_november_2018'
21:00 huginn      Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
21:00 huginn      Meeting started Wed Nov  7 21:00:20 2018 UTC.  The chair is kidclamp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
21:00 kidclamp    #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 7 November 2018
20:59 ashimema    or am I thiking of another channel?
20:59 ashimema    did we not used ot have meeting countdown stuff done by a bot
20:59 ashimema    hee
20:59 kidclamp    2 minutes
20:58 kidclamp    hi ashimema
20:58 ashimema    meeting?
20:58 alexbuckley agreed :)
20:58 ashimema    hi kidclamp
20:58 ashimema    but then lets get back to it.. don't want to let those enhancements go cold again
20:58 ashimema    lets keep the momentum.. maybe chill or a week on the enhancements whilst we concentrate on stability and bugfixes ;)
20:57 ashimema    no worries :)
20:56 kidclamp    meeting!
20:54 alexbuckley hi ashimema, many thanks to you and andreashm for the testing and QA's :)
20:52 wahanui     bidet, ashimema
20:52 ashimema    hola
20:28 oleonard    Bye #koha
20:13 tcohen      bye!
20:04 alexbuckley :)
20:04 oleonard    Hi alexbuckley
20:02 caroline    hi alexbuckley!
20:02 alexbuckley hi all
19:32 cait        Joubu: tcohen
19:32 cait        http://paste.koha-community.org/168
19:31 cait        and then ran up with provision
19:31 cait        first i changed the .yml
19:31 cait        and running the test in kshell
19:31 cait        i did start it in another terminal
19:31 cait        t/db_dependent/selenium/regressions.t .. Could not create new session: Unable to connect to host 127.0.0.1 on port 7055 after 45000 ms. Firefox console output:
19:30 cait        but got further
19:30 cait        still failing the tests
19:30 cait        hm
19:20 tcohen      we do it the more general we can to ease tweaking later
19:19 tcohen      cait: you usually don't need to change versions or URLs
19:18 cait        thx
19:12 pastebot    "tcohen" at 172.22.66.9 pasted "Joubu: WTF" (64 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/167
19:12 tcohen      not for general use
19:12 tcohen      that's only if you're trying to test a different selenium version
19:11 tcohen      no
19:08 cait        do i want to uncomment the selenium url?
19:07 tcohen      diff them
19:06 cait        ah my file is too old, doesn't have this entries yet
19:06 tcohen      hi cait
19:05 cait        aha!
19:02 kidclamp    https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Using_Selenium_with_Koha#cait: KohaDevBox
19:00 cait        tcohen: selenium tests ... kohadevbox? :)
19:00 cait        should kohadevbox not have this stuff preset?
19:00 cait        hm
18:08 cait        I'll try again after dinner
17:53 Joubu       cait: ^
17:53 Joubu       there is a step-by-step procedure to run them
17:53 Joubu       see t/db_dependent/selenium/basic_workflow.t
17:53 Joubu       hum... some of my messages have been lost it seems
17:51 cait        Joubu: ^
17:38 cait        http://paste.koha-community.org/166
17:37 cait        and jut prove doesn't work
17:37 cait        no test plan
17:37 cait        but now i got another problem - i have no idea how to run selenium tests
17:36 cait        my issue was looking at the depends field instead of the comments :)
17:36 cait        ?
17:35 Joubu       let push to master, then will see for stable branches
17:35 Joubu       s/cannot/am lazy to/
17:35 Joubu       cait: There are patches for 18.11 and master, and they are on the same file. So I cannot provide all the combinations
17:34 cait        ... in the comment... argh.
17:33 cait        some unnamed dependency maybe?
17:33 cait        sha1 useless...
17:33 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21777 major, P5 - low, ---, nick, Signed Off , Checkouts table in circulation is out of alignment (Bug 21562)
17:33 cait        bug 21777 doesn't apply for me
17:33 cait        Joubu: around?
17:32 davidnind   caroline: a REST API is a type of API (this article might be useful https://schoolofdata.org/2013/11/18/web-apis-for-non-programmers/)
17:29 kidclamp    needs 21775 too
17:28 kidclamp    ah yes, would like to clear that up
17:28 cait        i'll qa it now
17:28 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21777 major, P5 - low, ---, nick, Signed Off , Checkouts table in circulation is out of alignment (Bug 21562)
17:28 cait        bug 21777
17:28 kidclamp    in a meeting, not sure what you mean cait
17:27 cait        the one you asked about earlier
17:27 kidclamp    ?
17:27 cait        kidclamp: need help with something urgent?
16:52 caroline    Also, are there current uses of Koha's REST API that would make it easy for someone non-technical to understand what an API does?
16:47 caroline    dummy question : what is the difference between an API and a REST API? Is it a subcategory of API?
16:39 tuxayo      Joubu (IRC): Indeed, that will avoid unexepected behavoir.
16:35 Joubu       and print it to the console
16:35 Joubu       maybe you should fallback to a value
16:34 tuxayo      Joubu (IRC): thanks, that's better than silently ignoring or throwing an horrible alert()
16:24 Joubu       tuxayo: console.log?
16:23 fridolin    see u all tomorow
16:11 tuxayo      https://gitlab.com/tuxayo/Koha/commit/cba19c76be07e0674167f20c5d7fbffb6627835f#bf0e3ef983c2d21d84c42c6c41b92804a66c0c9b_61_60
16:11 tuxayo      QA question: how to handle multiple values of a syspref in the code? (future values, in particular)
16:03 reiveune    bye
16:02 ashimema    :)
16:02 Joubu       Bernardo answered "Yes, If there are no other candidates"
15:57 marcelr     htg bye #koha
15:54 marcelr     played a bit with 100 and 1000 to speed up
15:53 marcelr     on bugzilla
15:52 marcelr     sure
15:52 Joubu       can you post the full working script?
15:52 marcelr     my $consent = $builder->build_object({ class => 'Koha::Patron::Consents' }); in  a loop
15:51 marcelr     yeah i added some patron::consent add statements before it
15:51 Joubu       marcelr: what does it display? I have nothing in my DB to test...
15:50 Joubu       ha, better with context
15:49 Joubu       marcelr: I do not understand
15:44 marcelr     or just a mistake?
15:43 marcelr     Joubu: 20819 amazing?
15:31 thd         s/tend/tends/ :)
15:28 caroline    language is fun :)
15:27 thd         GPL and AGPL are also helpful query terms for free software.  Querying for other licenses such as Apache or MIT tend to pollute the results.
15:27 caroline    From the link eythian sent earlier : " To understand the concept, you should think of “free” as in “free speech,” not as in “free beer”.  We sometimes call it “libre software,” borrowing the French or Spanish word for “free” as in freedom, to show we do not mean the software is gratis. "
15:27 ashimema    Ta
15:26 oleonard    Libre
15:26 * ashimema  has forgotten what the L stands for in FLOSS
15:25 thd         'Open source' definitely won the marketing battle for 'free software' which is why the 'open source' campaign was created in the first place.
15:24 eythian     sometimes pragmatism must triumph
15:24 thd         I like FOSS or FLOSS.
15:23 caroline    ok so -now- i'm allowed to use open source? ;)
15:23 thd         Common usage becomes meaning over time even if we have a more subtle knowledge with etymology.
15:22 eythian     usually open source gets you the right results, as annoying as that is to purists :)
15:22 thd         'Open source' is not properly a synonym, however, it is commonly used as one.
15:21 caroline    is there a synonym for "free software" in the sense that you use it? Googling "free software task management" returns free as in 0$, not as in freedom
15:17 thd         I think that the main problem for project management tools is that the free software community has mostly allowed themselves to be lured into using non-free or non-community based free tools for the task and their has not yet been a priority to create great features for the task as free software.
15:17 ashimema    moving on
15:17 ashimema    it just feels a bit painful to use.. needs a UX person to make it more consistent I think
15:16 ashimema    it's in a collapsed 'activity' box that looks like a comments stream
15:16 ashimema    aha.. found it..
15:15 ashimema    but I can't see how to look at a revision history or see what I edited
15:15 ashimema    prime example of confusion with taiga.. I can edit a wiki page and I can see that I was the last person to edit it..
15:14 cait        it might be the one i meant
15:14 cait        i might be
15:14 oleonard    ashimema: I noticed that GitLab has a sub-feature of Issues called "Boards," and it made me think that there might be something there.
15:14 cait        hm don't have my taiga account on hand
15:12 caroline    cait: is it the "working on" list?
15:12 thd         Any problems I had with navigation I attributed to performance on my most portable system simply because of a giant lag in responsiveness with Taiga on that system.
15:12 * ashimema  doesn't think bugzilla is going anywhere any time soon.. as much as he feels there are nicer workflows out there
15:12 eythian     I don't really have much of an opinion just due to not having really used it deeply. We run gitlab at work (I think it's EE), and I have some things on gitlab.org. Beyond that, I've not used it much.
15:12 ashimema    hehe
15:12 cait        on the start page?
15:12 cait        caroline: i think i had that
15:11 * oleonard  wonders if GitLab issues could replace Bugzilla
15:09 ashimema    what's your take on GitlabCE then eythian ?
15:09 thd         It was on a very limited system where I found performance to be an issue which I would not expect to be a problem for most active contributors.
15:08 caroline    What I've never found on Taiga is a list of what is assigned to me
15:06 ashimema    performance wasn't an issue.. I just found it hard to navigate.. I never built up enough of an understanding of it to have a clear workflow
15:06 thd         ashimema: What are the particular reasons which have made you reluctant to use Taiga?
15:06 eythian     I think gitlab has their enterprisy stuff which is some sort of closed, but I don't know the details.
15:05 ashimema    and very walled garden now
15:05 ashimema    trello is definately closed
15:05 eythian     https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html
15:05 eythian     well, free software, pedantically :) it's a bit different.
15:05 ashimema    yeah.. I thought gitlab started more open than it is now
15:05 caroline    no I don't think it's open source
15:05 caroline    oh like open source
15:05 ashimema    I like trello.. but I'm sure I've heard people here being a bit negative about it?
15:04 eythian     as in, it's not free software like koha is
15:04 caroline    maybe I just don,t have a big team
15:04 caroline    really? I've used it for free...
15:04 eythian     non-free though
15:03 ashimema    indeed
15:03 caroline    if you just need kanban and assignments, there's also Trello which is pretty simple and straightforward
15:03 eythian     you could create a private repo for that sort of admin stuff if that was what you wanted.
15:03 oleonard    Good idea ashimema
15:03 * ashimema  takes a look as an alternative.. worth pondering
15:02 ashimema    not sure how open/closed it can be
15:02 ashimema    I've not played with it much.. but it does Kanban and assignments
15:02 ashimema    I wonder about the issues functionality of gitlab?
14:58 thd         Joubu: I do not comment merely to be difficult.  However, I did not grasp in the moment that the reason which some people have been reluctant to use Taiga was unrelated to my primary difficulty which I have had with it.
14:57 ashimema    community++
14:57 kidclamp    koha++
14:57 ashimema    koha++
14:57 davidnind   kidclamp++
14:57 oleonard    kidclamp++
14:56 marcelr     kidclamp++
14:54 cait        thx oleonard
14:54 cait        ok
14:54 ashimema    kids permitting
14:54 oleonard    6 hours to dev meeting?
14:54 * ashimema  aims to be at the dev meeting
14:54 cait        how many hours to next?
14:53 * cait      sends cookies
14:53 * cait      pushes kidclamp back to pushing ;)
14:53 kidclamp    see you all later today ?
14:53 huginn      Log:            http://meetings.koha-community.org/2018/general_irc_meeting_7_november_2018.2018-11-07-14.03.log.html
14:53 huginn      Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2018/general_irc_meeting_7_november_2018.2018-11-07-14.03.txt
14:53 huginn      Minutes:        http://meetings.koha-community.org/2018/general_irc_meeting_7_november_2018.2018-11-07-14.03.html
14:53 huginn      Meeting ended Wed Nov  7 14:53:41 2018 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
14:53 kidclamp    #endmeeting
14:53 kidclamp    #info Next meeting: 14 November 2018, 14 UTC
14:52 ashimema    lets try for that date.. we can't go on indefinitely if there is no feedback we need to reconsider our position
14:52 oleonard    +1
14:52 cait        we can still postpone
14:52 cait        having a deadline before release would be good I think
14:52 marcelr     depends on reactions?
14:51 kidclamp    November 14, 14:00 UCT?
14:51 ashimema    +1
14:51 cait        quick one
14:51 cait        yes
14:51 kidclamp    one week? to vote for things
14:51 kidclamp    #topic Next meeting
14:50 kidclamp    #link https://tree.taiga.io/project/joubu-koha-rm-1711/wiki/about Taiga for koha
14:50 cait        ok, ending meeting quickly? :)
14:50 Joubu       https://tree.taiga.io/project/joubu-koha-rm-1711/wiki/about
14:50 cait        ?
14:50 cait        some place to list urgent tasks and for people to grab them=
14:50 Joubu       thd: please stop
14:50 cait        sounds good
14:50 ashimema    not 'invitation only'.. but not hugely promoted either.. agreed upon by a core group I think
14:49 kidclamp    have the taiga link handy Joubu?
14:49 Joubu       working on a daily basis on bug fixes, tests, etc.
14:49 ashimema    agreed.. only needs to be the real core folks really
14:49 thd         I quite like Taiga except for its consumption of system resources with unnecessary JavaScript.
14:49 Joubu       ... or 6
14:49 Joubu       we are less than 10
14:49 Joubu       I do not need "lot of people", I just want few people, the active ones
14:48 caroline    I could do a short tutorial for taiga?
14:48 kidclamp    #info We need a method of organizing priorities and who is handling them during the release, taiga is a possibility, but we need a tool all will use, please consider and discuss at next meeting(s)
14:48 ashimema    I found I was using alot of time just trying to navigate it.. perhaps I need some lessons
14:48 Joubu       read the wiki page as well?
14:48 marcelr     i thought that we concluded that yet another tool was too much for a lot of people
14:48 ashimema    I tried
14:48 Joubu       I think people did not really try it
14:48 * ashimema  fins taiga hard to work with personally
14:48 thd         Do we have no alternative to the CPU wastage of Tagia?
14:47 cait        yes
14:47 ashimema    talk next meeting
14:47 cait        the docs team is using it
14:47 * ashimema  uses the dashboard as a part of his workflow.. perhaps we could extend it a little to help keep dev team on the same page a bit more?
14:47 cait        can someone summarize for info? i am struggling
14:47 marcelr     it didnt work
14:47 Joubu       I suggested taiga, and I still think it's a tool we need. But I am open to anything else
14:47 cait        maybe another go with taigo?
14:46 Joubu       we need different views: the "big things" (who/what/when), the release things, and the urgent things
14:46 ashimema    yes
14:46 Guest2299   Project Koha_Master_D8 build #94: STILL UNSTABLE in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/94/
14:46 cait        shoudl we info?
14:46 ashimema    Joubu++
14:46 cait        not good .)
14:46 cait        losing momentum again
14:46 cait        an issue is that after release things tend to get quiet
14:45 kidclamp    Joubu++
14:45 ashimema    would be good to agree some shared targets for next release.. I can see a few patterns emarging right near the end of this cycle.. be good to keep the pressure on those for early next cycle
14:45 Joubu       I'd people to think a bit about it, then maybe we could discuss that later during the dev meeting
14:45 Joubu       But I did not think about it closely, so it will be messy. I would like people to think about how we could improve our communication. I think we are missing a tool/channel to keep track of 1. the urgent topics/bug# we need to focus on and 2. the tasks affected to someone. IRC (laters or pm) and bugzilla comments are not sufficient, at least for me.
14:45 wahanui     i think Joubu is kidding, right ;)
14:45 cait        Joubu?
14:44 cait        yep sorry
14:44 ashimema    agreed
14:44 kidclamp    mayeb this is conversation for the dev meeting?
14:44 cait        just trying to give some direction - there is a lot with elastic and we need to get them in in some sensible sequence
14:43 * ashimema  needs to get back on top of his rmaint queue.. but then intends to get back to ES.. likely not quick enough for this cycle though.. 19.05 early I reckon
14:43 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21336 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , GDPR: Handle unsubscribe requests automatically by optional (administrative) lock, anonymize and remove
14:43 marcelr     just mentioning bug 21336 here for the next cycle too (gdpr)
14:42 cait        not everyone has in-house devs capable to do that .)
14:42 ashimema    agreed
14:42 kidclamp    I would love to get all the big es fixes in for 19.05 (would have loved for 18.11 )
14:42 cait        I think we should work towards fixing that
14:42 cait        thy all use additional patches that haven't been included yet
14:42 cait        we currently have some libraries using Elasticsearc, but none on a released version
14:41 cait        i talked to Ere, he said it's the next one we need to go in - so advertising it a bit
14:41 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19893 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, glasklas, Needs Signoff , Alternative optimized indexing for Elasticsearch
14:41 cait        For elastic search, the next one we need is bug 19893
14:41 Joubu       I do too.
14:40 cait        yes
14:40 cait        ah
14:40 kidclamp    anyone have anything for Misc?
14:40 kidclamp    thanks marcel
14:40 * ashimema  likes that there's a good list of topic experts there and intends to throw work their way when he needs QA help ;)
14:40 kidclamp    #topic MIscellaneous
14:40 marcelr     it must be done still
14:39 marcelr     kidclamp: i propose to send the patch for 18.11 release team on master; as i did last versions
14:39 kidclamp    #info roles for 19.05 are accepted with translation manager and 18.05 maint tbd
14:39 ashimema    :)
14:39 huginn      oleonard: downloading the Perl source
14:39 oleonard    huginn: Has cait been sent to prison for voter fraud?
14:39 kidclamp    heh, unanimous
14:38 huginn      Yes (13): Joubu, andreashm, davidnind, thd, AndrewIsh, georgew, oleonard, ashimema, marcelr, kidclamp, cait, tcohen, caroline
14:38 huginn      Voted on "Do we vote to accept the roles for 19.05 as proposed on the wiki page "Roles for 19.05" with the exception of Translation manager" and "18.05 Maintainer" to be voted on their own special meeting in a week?" Results are
14:38 kidclamp    #endvote
14:38 * ashimema  wonders what tcohen just said formeally for?
14:38 cait        yes.. please not we are not trying to cheat :)
14:38 ashimema    me either.. hense the double vote ;)
14:38 kidclamp    last call
14:37 cait        not sure if that's case sensitive
14:37 Joubu       marcelr: I do not think so, if I have them I did not use them this release
14:37 cait        #vote Yes
14:37 tcohen      marcelr: formally
14:37 cait        #vote yes
14:37 AndrewIsh   #vote Yes
14:37 ashimema    #vote Yes
14:37 marcelr     didnt you have them already ? joubu
14:37 georgew     #vote Yes
14:37 thd         #vote yes
14:37 tcohen      #vote yes
14:37 davidnind   #vote Yes
14:37 Joubu       Note that I ask for push permissions!
14:37 marcelr     #vote Yes
14:37 andreashm   #vote Yes
14:37 ashimema    #vote yes
14:36 oleonard    #vote Yes
14:36 caroline    #vote Yes
14:36 Joubu       #vote yes
14:36 kidclamp    #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_19.05 Roles for 19.05
14:36 kidclamp    #vote Yes
14:36 huginn      Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
14:36 huginn      Begin voting on: Do we vote to accept the roles for 19.05 as proposed on the wiki page "Roles for 19.05" with the exception of Translation manager" and "18.05 Maintainer" to be voted on their own special meeting in a week? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain.
14:36 kidclamp    #startvote Do we vote to accept the roles for 19.05 as proposed on the wiki page "Roles for 19.05" with the exception of Translation manager" and "18.05 Maintainer" to be voted on their own special meeting in a week? Yes, No, Abstain
14:36 marcelr     do we agree on .. ?
14:35 cait        i could never come up with one .)
14:35 Guest2299   Project Koha_Master_U18 build #87: STILL UNSTABLE in 30 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/87/
14:35 cait        ... as a question
14:35 Guest2299   Project Koha_Master_D9 build #598: STILL UNSTABLE in 31 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/598/
14:35 kidclamp    okay, lemme phrase this
14:35 marcelr     like critical bugs and so ?
14:34 oleonard    's continuing reign to include more fire and brimstone
14:34 * oleonard  would like kidclamp
14:34 marcelr     its more or less everything statys the same
14:33 kidclamp    yes, mainly the same, except now I know how muich time it takes, and am slightly better at it
14:33 andreashm   lets vote
14:33 * ashimema  is happy for you to 'continue as before'
14:33 * ashimema  is happy to link to your 18.11 proposal for you if it's the same..
14:33 cait        +1 for one vote
14:32 kidclamp    that's true - same as before, but finish the things I did not and work on community involvement? I can write more if you wish
14:32 cait        yeah, don't let people jump off now :)
14:31 Joubu       kidclamp: I did not find your proposal
14:31 * ashimema  thinks we can vote on whats there and just leave to the two missing ones to next meeting
14:30 kidclamp    beyond that, can we vote on the remaining in a single call? or wait until next week and do the whole shebang
14:30 ashimema    brill
14:30 kidclamp    i took it ashimema
14:30 ashimema    I sent the last chaser
14:30 kidclamp    :-D
14:30 kidclamp    #action kidclamp will email list to ask for volunteers for needed roles, will schedule special meeting for vote in a week
14:30 ashimema    who do we want to send out a chaser email for those two roles?
14:30 fridolin    let see what comes
14:29 ashimema    hard to commit fully.. but lets see if we can get some new blood first
14:29 fridolin    indeed
14:29 ashimema    if pushed, we could perhaps share it fridolin?
14:29 ashimema    happy to share all I've learned this cycle (and the old bregade are here to help still too I'm sure)
14:28 fridolin    if its realy needed i could do it with 17.11 but I'd like to change
14:28 ashimema    would be good to get new blood involved :)
14:28 fridolin    :)
14:28 ashimema    :)
14:27 cait        and second oldest is a good one to start with
14:27 cait        true
14:27 fridolin    would be cool to have someone new
14:27 marcelr     seems a good idea to me
14:27 cait        let's have another meeting for that in a week or so? and another call on mailing list
14:26 kidclamp    18.05 maint, any volunteers?
14:25 caroline    I vote for waiting until we hear back
14:25 Joubu       we do not have another choice anyway
14:25 cait        and pretend he stays on until a successor is found or we hear back
14:25 cait        maybe resolve next meetingß
14:24 kidclamp    can we ask tcohen or someone to reach out and tentatively vote him in?
14:24 Joubu       (trying to reach him)
14:23 Joubu       He was late last release as well
14:23 cait        tcohen: ?
14:23 cait        I don't know if it's by mistake or not
14:23 cait        I've had some trouble reaching him lately
14:23 ashimema    both have merrits.. I think I'm leaning towards Joubu's version at the moment
14:22 kidclamp    is  bernardo out? or just didn't sign up?
14:22 ashimema    I looked at bug 21770 earlier.. was just debating which version to lean towards.
14:22 cait        we are missing 2 - translation manager and rmaint 18.05
14:22 kidclamp    #topic Roles for 19.05 - Elections!
14:21 kidclamp    that's all i got for now
14:21 kidclamp    ^ to fix jenkins
14:21 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21770 normal, P5 - low, ---, chris, Signed Off , t::lib::QA::TemplateFilters should allow html_entity in href
14:21 kidclamp    bug 21770
14:20 kidclamp    what Joubu said :-)
14:20 kidclamp    if we had consensus and well tested I would consider - if not it is priority for next release
14:20 Joubu       marcelr: I'd say it depends on feedback we get
14:19 ashimema    21610 is on my list to revist after this meeting :)
14:19 marcelr     thought it was for the next cycle
14:19 marcelr     could 21610 still make it then ?
14:19 cait        more things pushed, there are really some goodies in that queue
14:19 cait        save the time of the RM...
14:19 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21610 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Koha::Object->store needs to handle incorrect values
14:19 Joubu       About 18.11, I'd like to note that QA members and other tech guys should take a look at bug 21610 and bug 21526.
14:19 oleonard    Well you could make me rebase them kidclamp
14:18 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21526 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , TT variables used to build a link should be uri filtered
14:18 wahanui     bug 21526 is going to make me rebase all oleonard's patches again isn't it :|
14:18 kidclamp    bug 21526
14:18 Joubu       fridolin: Fixed already
14:18 kidclamp    #info kidclamp is pushing to master, tryiing to clear the queue, needs help in moving along bugs to fix jenkins failures and bugs needed for release
14:18 fridolin    Joubu: if you can look ^
14:18 fridolin    strange circular dependancy issue
14:17 fridolin    i mean i did not backport in the end
14:17 fridolin    i reverted it
14:17 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21396 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, RESOLVED FIXED, Missing use statements in Koha::Account
14:17 fridolin    yep, had one jenkins failure because of Bug 21396
14:17 kidclamp    Lots of good things to get in, but lots of cleanup to be done as well :-)
14:16 kidclamp    Please focus on bugs to fix jenkins and get blockers/criticals/majors cleaned up
14:16 ashimema    will do fridolin
14:16 kidclamp    already mentioned, 18.11 is in slush, freeze on Friday. I will be out Friday so pushing things is my priority now
14:16 fridolin    i will read your release note to see i have all major+ bugs
14:15 fridolin    ashimema: tell me when you push it
14:15 kidclamp    #info bug 21771 is needed for stab;e
14:15 ashimema    :boring: rmaints.. it's good to be boring :)
14:15 cait        too slow :)
14:15 cait        bug 21771
14:15 kidclamp    #info ahsimema catching up after focusing on so/qa for master
14:15 ashimema    :)
14:15 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21771 major, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Password recovery is broken (see 20023)
14:15 fridolin    Bug 21771
14:14 kidclamp    #info Stable releases moving as usual
14:14 fridolin    ah yes cait wich bug nb ?
14:14 fridolin    i will continue RMaint 17.11.x after 18.11 release
14:14 cait        password recovery with email is broken in 17.11.11
14:14 ashimema    I'm just cathcing up on my rmaint queue at the moment after spending a couple of weeks before the freeze on qa/so
14:14 * fridolin  preparing 17.11.12 release, nothing special
14:13 ashimema    Nothing major to report..
14:13 Archie^     sorry, yes
14:13 caroline    #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inlibro
14:13 oleonard    Joubu++
14:13 fridolin    caroline: bien le bonjour
14:13 wahanui     i think fridolin is indeed, but maybe not on Rmain 18.11
14:13 kidclamp    fridolin
14:13 kidclamp    #topic Update on releases
14:13 oleonard    Hi caroline, welcome to the meeting
14:12 caroline    good morning!
14:12 cait        and meeting :)
14:12 cait        Archie^: the column from earlier - only you. we put the ISIL as branchcode, MarcOrgCode is also the isil usually
14:12 ashimema    Archie^ We're in a meeting right now.. any change you could ask your question again in half hour or so?
14:12 kidclamp    moving on?
14:12 Archie^     Does Koha has any tablespace for ISIL codes of Libraries?
14:12 * ashimema  thinks his irc client is playing up again..
14:12 cait        #action Joubu to add release/freeze dates to calendar
14:11 Joubu       yep
14:11 ashimema    Joubu, you're the calandar gatekeeper aren't you.? can those be added?
14:11 Joubu       November 27 - Release
14:11 Joubu       November 16 - String Freeze - 2nd draft of release notes
14:11 cait        Sep 25, 2018; 12:06pm 	 					 		Koha 18.11 Dates
14:11 Joubu       November   9 - Feature freeze - only bugfixes will pushed after this - 1st draft of release notes
14:11 kidclamp    sorry oleonard , i got your later and did not get them set there
14:11 cait        long message thing
14:10 * ashimema  sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/rVKjeagJmrvZSUhIwPPOTIQH >
14:10 kidclamp    #info Koha Development IRC meeting later today as well
14:10 cait        oleonard: there as an email to the list sec
14:10 * cait      hopes that was right
14:10 oleonard    I don't know the dates of the release stages... Don't see them on the calendar.... So feature freeze is when? String freeze?
14:10 cait        #info We have reached feature slush last Friday, going into feature freeze this Friday
14:09 georgew     I had the link a second ago.  hold on.
14:09 cait        #info koha-US has a meeting today at 16:30 UTC
14:09 georgew     koha-US has a meeting today at 16:30 UTC
14:09 kidclamp    yup
14:08 ashimema    feature slush ;)
14:08 kidclamp    anybody have announcements?
14:08 cait        he is not that wrong.... coooookies
14:07 * cait      shrugs
14:07 wahanui     qa team are the real gatekeepers, send cookies their way
14:07 ashimema    wahanui (IRC): qa team
14:07 davidnind   hi fridolin!
14:07 kidclamp    #topic Announcements
14:07 davidnind   cait: feels like it!  Keep on waking up at ridiculous times!
14:07 Joubu       #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_7_November_2018
14:07 kidclamp    alex_a, jajm, marcelr, khall, tcohen, josefmoravec, ashimema,rangi
14:07 fridolin    davidnind nice to see you :D
14:07 ashimema    qa team
14:06 cait        davidnind: sleep walking?
14:06 cait        qa?
14:06 kidclamp    ppor wahanui
14:06 davidnind   #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand
14:05 oleonard    #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, USA
14:05 kidclamp    QAteam?
14:05 thd         #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
14:05 cait        Qa_team
14:05 wahanui     it has been said that Rmaints is ashimema and fridolin are the rmaints
14:05 cait        Rmaints?
14:05 cait        memory loss?
14:05 fridolin    hé bonjour
14:05 fridolin    #info Fridolin Somers, Biblibre France
14:05 wahanui     joubu: wish i knew
14:05 Joubu       wahanui: qa_team?
14:04 wahanui     hmmm... rmaints is ashimema and fridolin are the rmaints
14:04 Joubu       rmaints?
14:04 AndrewIsh   #info Andrew Isherwood, PTFS Europe
14:04 wahanui     i don't know, joubu
14:04 Joubu       wahanui: ?
14:04 Joubu       qa_team?
14:04 georgew     #info George Williams, Northeast Kansas Library System
14:04 huginn      Current chairs: Joubu cait kidclamp
14:04 kidclamp    #chair Joubu
14:04 huginn      Current chairs: cait kidclamp
14:04 kidclamp    #chair cait
14:04 andreashm   #info Andreas Hedström Mace, Stockholm University Library
14:04 kidclamp    #info Nick Clemens, ByWaterSolutions
14:04 ashimema    #info Martin Renvoize - PTFS Europe
14:04 Joubu       #info Jonathan Druart
14:04 cait        #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
14:03 kidclamp    #topic Introductions
14:03 huginn      The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_7_november_2018'
14:03 huginn      Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
14:03 huginn      Meeting started Wed Nov  7 14:03:50 2018 UTC.  The chair is kidclamp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
14:03 kidclamp    #startmeeting General IRC meeting 7 November 2018
14:03 andreashm   sleeping on the job wahanui?
14:03 cait        hm wahanui
14:03 huginn      News from kohagit: Bug 14391: (follow-up) check for correct patron categories permission <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e40907a67e6fdcdca6e4eda4c1a74a238275fe1c>
14:03 oleonard    Yeah I could meeting.
14:03 cait        irc meetings?
14:03 cait        next meetings?
14:02 andreashm   meeting?
14:02 cait        meeting now?
14:01 andreashm   cait: yeah, possibly
14:01 cait        another typo?
14:01 cait        ok thx!
14:01 kidclamp    I got it cait, easy fix
14:00 cait        Joubu: i will look into fixing it after the meeting
14:00 cait        um 0
14:00 cait        magnuse: andreashm: the difference could be something like "" vs. NULL vs. 9
13:59 cait        Joubu: UGH
13:58 * cait      waves
13:56 Archie^     cool then it's safe to remove. Tnx oleonard
13:56 oleonard    Archie^: I don't.
13:55 Archie^     can someone check? ;D don't remember me creating it
13:54 oleonard    Archie^: I hope you're the only one :|
13:54 andreashm   I'm not sure why we don't have 0 instead. Should be the same result
13:52 andreashm   It doesn't renew until the due date
13:52 andreashm   magnuse: 999
13:52 oleonard    The issue we're having with automatic renewals is that the "item due" notice seems to go out *just* before the automatic renewal goes through :P
13:52 magnuse     andreashm: how high is ridiculous, and how does it behave then?
13:52 Guest2299   Project Koha_Master_D8 build #93: STILL UNSTABLE in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/93/
13:51 magnuse     oleonard: i don't know how it behaves with a 2-5 day value for "no renewal before", but i will find out :-)
13:50 Joubu       the link "Patron categories" is not displayed
13:50 Archie^     am i am the only one who has a "column_23" in table branches?
13:49 Joubu       cait: koha_1       | SCREENSHOT: https://framapic.org/2vzFPRMkHvyA/pSVycziXstLI
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13:49 andreashm   we have a ridiculous high numer for no renewals before
13:49 oleonard    That matches our 14 day checkout period.
13:49 Joubu       https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/86/consoleFull
13:49 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14391 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Granular permissions for the administration module
13:49 Joubu       cait: I think bug 14391 caused the last Jenkins failure
13:49 oleonard    In our production system, running 17.11.10, we have automatic renewals with no "no renewal before" value set for any item type. An item I checked out on 2018-10-12 has been automatically renewed once, on 2018-10-26
13:46 cait        i am not sure what might have changed, but it was definitely like that
13:46 cait        oleonard: i know they used to, one of our libraries developed the initial auto-renew
13:46 cait        oleonard: did you check the number of renewals on some items? shoudl be easy to see from there
13:46 oleonard    magnuse: But do automatic renewals follow that rule? It doesn't appear that they do, assuming the our automatic renewal process runs nightly.
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13:45 magnuse     oleonard: from the docs: "Items can be renewed at any time if this value is left blank. Otherwise items can only be renewed if the item is due after the number in units (days/hours) entered in this box." https://koha-community.org/manual/18.05/en/html/administration.html#default-circulation-rules
13:44 oleonard    cait: It doesn't appear to be working that way for us in production
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13:43 cait        i'd think so
13:43 oleonard    So without "no renewal before" set, automatic renewals renew everything every day?
13:42 cait        kidclamp++
13:40 * cait      hopes that makes sense
13:40 cait        so you can choose to let them only renew a certain time period before things are due and negate those effects
13:40 magnuse     cait++ Joubu++
13:40 cait        they either get a much nicer due_date immediately (which makes renewals kind of nonsense) or they lose a renewal attempt because the same date will be caluclated
13:40 magnuse     that made things a lot clearer for me!
13:39 cait        depending on how you calculate the the due date
13:39 cait        so in theory if you have it not set, the user can check out an item and go immediately to the opac and renew the item
13:39 cait        the auto-renewal checks like the normal ones if a renewal is possible (yet) and if not, it doesn't happen
13:38 cait        it affects both, normal and automatic
13:38 oleonard    cait: I don't understand how that affects automatic renewals
13:37 cait        so 2 days before the loan period ends... you can renew
13:37 magnuse     ah...
13:37 cait        we have something between 2-5 days
13:37 cait        that#s immediately
13:37 cait        yes
13:36 magnuse     cait: it is set, but to the same value as the loan period. could that be a problem?
13:36 cait        magnuse: only allow renewals x days before the due date - so renewals will only start getting tried then
13:36 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21499 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Emails about automatic renewal sent in error
13:36 cait        magnuse: set the no renewal before value
13:36 magnuse     also bug 21499
13:35 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19014 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Patrons should not get a on_reserve notification if the due date is far into the future
13:35 Joubu       bug 19014
13:35 Joubu       and a patch
13:35 Joubu       iirc there is a bug reported for this feature
13:34 oleonard    kidclamp: We don't have that set at all. What is the recommended value?
13:33 magnuse     it is set, at least now. i will double check that it wasn't done very recently
13:33 kidclamp    that prevents the items from renewing until they have been out a while
13:32 kidclamp    you have to set the no renewals before magnuse
13:31 magnuse     *getting close
13:29 magnuse     automatic renewals - are they supposed to start happening the day after a loan was issued? i would expect them to start when the due date is getting closed. one library that uses them is running out of allowed renewals before the due date is passed...
13:27 marcelr     would be great
13:26 oleonard    I know I had some work in progress for that, now I have to see if I can find it...
13:26 marcelr     cait++
13:26 marcelr     but if i add a new class for it, would you have some nice styling in mind ?
13:25 marcelr     oleonard: somehow nothing happened ;)
13:23 cait        yep... now one more.... and I will be a really happy cait :)
13:23 wahanui     o/`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
13:23 cait        confetti!
13:21 huginn      magnuse: I've exhausted my database of quotes
13:21 magnuse     @confetti!
13:21 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14391 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Granular permissions for the administration module
13:21 magnuse     ooh cait: bug 14391
13:19 oleonard    We talked about cataloging plugin buttons a while ago, and I thought there was a bug you were working on which was going to lay the groundwork for some changes
13:17 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21709 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , Addbiblio shows tag editor icons which do nothing
13:17 marcelr     oleonard: any suggestion for bug 21709 ? did we talk about that before..
13:16 marcelr     hi #koha
13:09 huginn      News from kohagit: Bug 14391: Add granular permissions to the administration module <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=252f4674a56301c22dda32f2d41985c26f185650>
13:09 huginn      News from kohagit: Bug 14391: (QA follow-up) Resolve POD warn on svc..systempreferences <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=16f475e49358a5a808f34edb301605a480efac2e>
13:09 huginn      News from kohagit: Bug 21387: Receive items from - form should include tax hints <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=702ca8e9a341ea8350bb69596be5ce8c29596b45>
13:09 huginn      News from kohagit: Bug 14391: (QA follow-up) Fix some typos <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=88753242468cc4c88d916ab9aa57e8473539b9dc>
13:09 huginn      News from kohagit: Bug 21474: Add the Koha::Subscription->frequency method <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7bd3e6736cf057682ccbd01574d979670e18132b>
13:09 huginn      News from kohagit: Bug 14391: Keep parameters_remaining_permissions for now <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fa611c5b7299c0c2d813d478f2beea95236f5951>
13:09 huginn      News from kohagit: Bug 21619: Expand tax abreviations in acquisitions form hints <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=dec84e08208b16ea0d6c1423b8d0b724a5c3a777>
13:09 huginn      News from kohagit: Bug 14391: Move udpate to perl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=89b16151ca89400f80d7c1a847ffe69cc84b02cb>
13:09 huginn      News from kohagit: Bug 14391: (QA follow-up) Correct database update for manage_item_search_fields permi... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a29824970c900706b5fe158379c357516937730c>
13:09 huginn      News from kohagit: Bug 14391: (RM follow-up) Adjust a few template conditions <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d932101fa3ff620cd61994cecec6117ebb8ca2e7>
13:09 huginn      News from kohagit: Bug 14391: DBRev 18.06.00.052 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=29456ce3d8115a2287fd7c103c9fd9acd9bbee1b>
13:06 * ashimema  is scared of writing tests for C4::Breeding now
13:06 ashimema    you'd need to make sure the mapping.xml for each IdP is setup nicely to map the two different IdP's to a 'nice' overlapping final output which goes to Koha
13:05 ashimema    the native service provider software supports it for us and we just map the same was we usually do at the koha end
13:04 ashimema    yes.. it's done outside of koha itself though
13:04 cait        ashimema: question for you... can you configure more than one shibboleth provider with Koha?
13:02 * oleonard  is used to it.
13:02 magnuse     the horror!
13:02 wahanui     it has been said that oleonard is seeing some buggy stuff though
13:02 magnuse     oleonard!
13:02 magnuse     Archie^: if you have not seen it, this page will tell you more about the use of 952 for item data: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Holdings_data_fields_(9xx)
12:46 wahanui     hi oleopard
12:46 Archie^     hi oleonard
12:45 oleonard    Hi all
12:43 * ashimema  needs more :Tea:
12:31 Archie^     right so from what i gathered i need to add encoding ISO 8859 - 4 into marcedit and that's not going to happen any time soon. guess i need to work with developers on this one
12:19 kidclamp    easy sign off, bad bug
12:19 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21777 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Checkouts table in circulation is out of alignment (Bug 21562)
12:19 kidclamp    bug 21777
12:19 kidclamp    Archie 952 is where item information is stored for koha
12:18 kidclamp    magnuse
12:18 kidclamp    that not good magnue
12:12 Archie^     * 952?
12:12 Archie^     ? TRIK
12:11 Archie^     ashimema:  ^
12:11 Archie^     a damn i had to restart my pc. What was the MARC record for koha to list items ?
12:02 magnuse     gah, i have several servers/instances where the fix from https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/DBMS_auto_increment_fix does not seem to work...
12:01 magnuse     kia ora kidclamp
11:56 Archie^     hi kidclamp
11:55 kidclamp    hello everyone
11:53 Archie^     you are right, i'm 100% gui guy
11:53 Archie^     nah i'm not into scripting ;D
11:00 ashimema    ever scripted.. Marc::Record would probably be my next tool.. (actually I would usually start by scripting, but I presumed you were a gui guy 😉 )
11:00 Archie^     allright, brb, lunch time
10:59 ashimema    oh, fun
10:58 Archie^     Marc Edit does not understand russian language ;D
10:54 ashimema    pqa :)
10:09 cait        andreashm++ ashimema++
10:07 ashimema    i'll get onto qa
10:07 ashimema    thanks.. that'll makes Alex's day :)
10:07 ashimema    :D
10:06 andreashm   ashimema: ^^
10:06 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21754 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, alexbuckley, Signed Off , If an item is marked as lost, any outstanding transfers upon it should be automatically cancelled
10:06 andreashm   bug 21754
10:00 andreashm   Should be doable with MarcEdit then
09:50 Archie^     ~ 8k
09:49 andreashm   how many records are we talking about?
09:48 Archie^     hmm, yeah good idea, marcedit might do that
09:48 ashimema    it's been a long time.. but I vaguely remember it being fairly simple using MarcEdit or similar tools
09:48 Archie^     nah, that old legacy system BARELY supports marcXML, that's why we are migrating to KOHA ;D
09:47 ashimema    there's an option in the export to include items
09:47 ashimema    that's how most systems I've worked with do it..
09:47 ashimema    or.. you're old ILS should be able to add items into their export
09:47 ashimema    shouldn't be a desperately hard edit though
09:47 ashimema    yup
09:47 Archie^     so that means i have to modify every record in marcxml file ?
09:46 Archie^     ashimema: i tried using bulkmarcimport but somehow i cant run it correctly
09:46 * andreashm might be wrong about the field... seldom adds items to records on import
09:46 andreashm   I think you can add items as 952 fields in the marcxml record, when you import it will be added as an item
09:45 * ashimema  uses bulkmarcimport.pl from the command line personally.. but it's basically the same thing
09:45 andreashm   Bibliographic records (what you are uploading) won't connect to a specific branch/library, but items do.
09:45 ashimema    what andreashm said
09:44 andreashm   Yes, you need to add items to these books, an have one field (homebranch) use the branchcode of that library
09:44 Archie^     or do i need to login into koha and on login page i need to select the specific library and it should be enough
09:43 Archie^     it's marcXML. i know that i can upload the data via tools ->  Stage MARC records for import but as far as i understand it will just upload these books into koha without actually mapping them to one specific Library
09:42 andreashm   Is the data in MARC/MARCXML?
09:41 Archie^     i have a database of books from a specific library. Now how would i add these books into koha, so koha knows that these are the books from this specific library
09:41 Archie^     ok i stated my question incorrectly
09:37 Archie^     but what im trying to understand is, how do i specify difference of books in koha that these  are " items " in " library"
09:37 ashimema    so what don't you get? ;)
09:37 ashimema    caveat.. library 'could' be a small group of buildings if you really wanted it to be
09:36 Archie^     no i mean i get that
09:36 ashimema    library = 'the building the shelves are in'
09:36 ashimema    item = 'the thing you're lending.. the physical thing you put on the shelf'
09:35 Archie^     or libraries for that matter
09:35 Archie^     i'm having trouble understanding what is considered an "item" in terms of KOHA
09:30 ashimema    very odd.. make's QA 'hard'
09:30 magnuse     sounds fragile, yes
09:30 ashimema    especially as they seem to often be called a long way apart
09:29 ashimema    still feels prone to error to have to manually call LostItem after any case of ModItem around the codebase
09:29 magnuse     a key piece of koha lore :-)
09:29 ashimema    thanks magnuse
09:29 ashimema    thats the one
09:28 wahanui     i already had it that way, huginn.
09:28 huginn      magnuse: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
09:28 magnuse     @quote get 123
09:27 ashimema    hmm
09:26 huginn      ashimema: I've exhausted my database of quotes
09:26 ashimema    huginn (IRC): quote123
09:26 ashimema    quote 123
09:26 ashimema    lol
09:26 andreashm   ashimema: I'm sure there is some (weird?) use case for that! =)
09:23 * ashimema  wonders if there's ever a reason one would not want to fire the ItemLost routine after marking an item as lost
09:19 * andreashm goes to look at 21754
09:17 andreashm   ah thanks
09:15 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20844 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, alexbuckley, ASSIGNED , Reset a hold when it is missing after allocation
09:15 ashimema    but that's where bug 20844 comes in
09:14 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20285 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle, RESOLVED FIXED, Lost item refund won't always pay down lost item fee first
09:14 andreashm   And have got it sorted now. Kind of. It was bug 20285
09:14 ashimema    I think the thing you'd lose is transfers setup by holds/reserves
09:14 ashimema    it should trigger a new transfer
09:14 * andreashm is on 17.11
09:14 ashimema    yup
09:13 ashimema    I wasn't aware of any problems.. happy to try and help
09:13 andreashm   ashimema: the one case I have been thinking about is if the lost item is actually returned... but that would trigger a new transfer (if it is not checked in at the home branch), right?
09:13 ashimema    what's wrong in 18.05 with lost items then?
09:13 ashimema    I would really like to QA it today.. but as it's migrated twice now I kinda feel I need a new SO (rather than migrating Owens signoff from the original bug)
09:12 * andreashm has been struggling with lost items the last few weeks yes. =)
09:12 ashimema    :)
09:12 andreashm   ashimema: I have been thinking about that one. trying to come up with a use case for keeping the transfer... but so far hasn't thought of one. =)
09:12 ashimema    you seemed knowledgable about that area pointing out changes to MarkLostItemsAsReturned ;)
09:11 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21754 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, alexbuckley, Needs Signoff , If an item is marked as lost, any outstanding transfers upon it should be automatically cancelled
09:11 ashimema    andreashm, any opinion on bug 21754
09:04 ashimema    :)
09:03 andreashm   hi ashimema
09:03 andreashm   (depending on what you upgrade from)
09:02 andreashm   magnuse: I would keep an eye on the behaviour of MarkLostItemsAsReturned
09:01 ashimema    Mornin' #koha
09:01 Archie^     Good morning everyone
08:51 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21486 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , SIP does not return  checked out (charged) items on patron_information request
08:51 * magnuse   makes a note of bug 21486
08:51 magnuse     andreashm: thanks! already have one customer running it, so not expecting any great surprises
08:41 andreashm   magnuse: good luck
08:41 andreashm   cait: I thought you where in the process of upgrading? seen you comment a lot about 17.11.11. =)
08:30 * magnuse   is doing an upgrade to 18.05 for a customer tomorrow
08:30 magnuse     \o/
08:27 cait        hm?
08:26 andreashm   getting ready to upgrade?
08:26 andreashm   hey cait
08:26 * cait      waves
08:25 * andreashm waves
08:15 tuxayo      hi #koha o/
07:56 wahanui     hello, alex_a
07:56 alex_a      bonjour
07:45 wahanui     privet, reiveune
07:45 reiveune    hello
06:45 fridolin    hi
03:08 laeng       Is there a way to fix it?
03:08 laeng       Everything is set correctly, but it is white.
03:07 laeng       There is a problem creating a callnumber label.
03:07 laeng       hi
03:06 laeng       There is a problem creating a callnumber label.
03:06 laeng       There is a problem creating a callnumber label.
03:05 wahanui     hey, laeng
03:05 laeng       hi
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