Time Nick Message 23:56 Guest2299 Project Koha_Master_D8 build #95: STILL UNSTABLE in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/95/ 23:49 Guest2299 Project Koha_Master_U18 build #88: STILL UNSTABLE in 29 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/88/ 23:49 Guest2299 Project Koha_Master_D9 build #599: STILL UNSTABLE in 30 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/599/ 23:30 caroline bye everybody! 23:15 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 15494: Update display of renewal errors <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=72750cf3b7001b02237c4145121e1071b2ca65da> 23:15 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 15494: Add syspref <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b170f77d10bfc05eb346361c8d61819779fdd798> 23:15 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 15494: (QA follow-up) Additional polishing <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=114c1dfb2c0d8a14ea12e800ab57f1f942d0aa2b> 23:15 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 18316: Add weighting/relevancy options to ES query on simple search <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fa853f7d38a5addafe21fb3cabdaaa9cc692bb12> 23:15 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 18316: Ability to weight search fields <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5f0bc6e457f19b889d5f12ee92d6ca5e5effdf42> 23:15 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 18316: String changes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9db54580a64ecb8aacbcbe8f65abeb244db7275a> 23:15 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20602: Use weighted fields in OPAC simple search <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4a060e18f994d98e6212c8578ab358c54820a97b> 23:15 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 18316: (follow-up) Koha::SearchField::search_marc_maps return a result set -... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9380134a026c3927373557d9bb4cb6d7082a8b7c> 23:15 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 18316: Change search field weight field to decimal <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=474b9a1672b3b62d8c24fe72127bdadd1a11ff3f> 23:15 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 18316: Fix field weight validation/deletion bug <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=74198af0fe01035a6fcbf7af75fedcc06f4ae5d8> 23:15 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 21299: Add localReferer function to Util module, add test <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=db539f4dc0b5f7ceb0726c97c95310d5b853de15> 23:15 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 21299: Introduce localReferer in [opac-]changelanguage.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=07d5f76225a3acd905fecf53ccdc4f52474d7ffc> 23:15 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 18316: (follow-up) Fix tests and update statement <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0bfcac5a079318be7c5d20c6d52af45169eab922> 23:15 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 21299: (QA follow-up) Rename module and subroutine <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5755f30b1b472b5fbf1d8e8fd031efdcd1ed0518> 23:15 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 15494: (follow-up) Move yaml syspref code to its own sub in SySpref object <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4ed7a533ab437a72524f7b3ef660814999fde951> 23:15 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 15494: (follow-up) Update tests to generate their own data (no delete) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5594afb9c29a8b6db2a493330652f8766ae1b53a> 23:15 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 18316: (follow-up) remove use_dis_max <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=973bc0aceba522301217817239f1a9388ffda145> 23:15 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 18316: (QA follow-up) Add final missing filter <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=529d8cd7307cc34ebd1a9a58256ad9ed00e33c42> 23:15 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 15494: DBRev 18.06.00.053 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=dc43a4b4b3d7cb622bb5c91a25dabf4c5e2ccbdb> 23:15 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 18316: DBRev 18.06.00.054 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=07526d897a566c082860120c721bc1c610a24e48> 21:41 thd ashimema: While I do not have time presently to put forward a proposal, I see how some underused features of bugzilla and some projects based on the bugzilla API could be used for task management and kanban. 21:41 * andreashm waves 21:41 ashimema good night #koha 21:41 huginn ashimema: The operation succeeded. 21:41 ashimema @later tell Joubu I'll pick off some of those new qa-tools issues and send merge requests unless you beat me to them 21:36 oleonard_ bye again 21:35 * ashimema adds those issues quickly then heads to bed.. I'm such an old man now.. 21:34 alexbuckley kidclamp++ ashimema++ 21:34 ashimema kidclamp++ 21:33 kidclamp thanks all 21:33 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2018/development_irc_meeting_7_november_2018.2018-11-07-21.00.log.html 21:33 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2018/development_irc_meeting_7_november_2018.2018-11-07-21.00.txt 21:33 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2018/development_irc_meeting_7_november_2018.2018-11-07-21.00.html 21:33 huginn Meeting ended Wed Nov 7 21:33:53 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 21:33 kidclamp #endmeeting 21:33 kidclamp #info Next meeting: 21 November 2018, 14UTC 21:33 kidclamp we have a general next week if I need to grab anyone, and we have email, hopefully I will survive my first release :-D 21:32 ashimema probably not.. you've got enough on your plate so can just catch people directly as needed ;) 21:32 ashimema sounds good to me.. you didn't want anything more regular with release looming. 21:31 kidclamp 21 November 2018, 14 UTC? 21:31 kidclamp #topic Set time of next meeting 21:31 ashimema bit earlier in the day next meeting.. 21:31 ashimema I think that's our lot 21:30 kidclamp just time of next meeting unless anyone has anything else 21:29 kidclamp moving on? 21:29 oleonard_ Somehow I lost my connection without realizing it... sorry if I missed any questions directed at me 21:29 oleonard That's it from me unless someone has objections 21:29 kidclamp ashimema++ 21:29 * ashimema will go add them as issues now 21:29 ashimema then we can pick them off.. rather than just adding to joubu's list 21:28 ashimema we should record those as issues against the qa-tools repo in gitlab really.. 21:27 huginn kidclamp: The operation succeeded. 21:27 kidclamp @later tell joubu #idea add checks for javascript in head, yui- grid classes and no type for javascript to QA script 21:27 cait #idea add checks for javascript in head, yui- grid classes and no type for javascript to QA script 21:26 ashimema indeed 21:26 cait no js in head should be testable 21:26 ashimema hehe 21:25 cait sensible 21:25 kidclamp people who don't attend are signifying willingness to volunteer, no? 21:25 ashimema less sure how on that one 21:25 ashimema that could probably also be added to the qa script maybe.. 21:24 oleonard New templates shouldn't be added with JS in the <head> 21:24 cait someone volunteering? :) 21:24 oleonard Lastly I wanted to remind everyone about this: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines#JS12:_Include_javascript_at_the_end_of_template 21:24 ashimema that should be simple nough to add i think 21:24 kidclamp oleonard++ 21:23 oleonard I think a check for classes containing "yui-" would be good 21:23 andreashm sounds good 21:23 cait it's hard to keep everything in mind 21:23 cait especially additions to qa script 21:23 cait sounds both good 21:22 ashimema you beat me 21:22 ashimema haha 21:22 ashimema do we need anything in the qa script to help catch that oleonard? 21:22 kidclamp I think those are all sensible 21:22 oleonard I'd love to get an addition to the QA tools checking for that. 21:21 oleonard Also: New templates shouldn't use any YUI grid markup 21:21 ashimema hehe 21:21 cait x 21:21 cait ashimema++ th 21:20 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany 21:20 oleonard Same for the "CDATA" markers in <script> 21:20 cait oops 21:20 oleonard New templates shouldn't include it. 21:20 oleonard I'm cleaning up the "type" attribute from <script> tags any time I update a template. 21:20 oleonard I just wanted to highlight some new things in the HTML & JS coding guidelines. I don't know if these require a vote 21:19 kidclamp you have some suggestions? 21:19 oleonard Present 21:19 wahanui oleonard is seeing some buggy stuff though 21:19 kidclamp oleonard? 21:19 kidclamp #topic Review of coding guidelines 21:19 kidclamp #info tabled for next meeting 21:18 thd The wiki page for the bug appears to show good research. 21:18 ashimema yeah.. lets shift it to the next meeting 21:18 ashimema I'll admit I don't follow translation closely enough to understand that one 21:18 kidclamp I have not been involved enough in the translation work to know what is needed, but perhaps we should table as is light meeting tonight? 21:17 kidclamp the frama is closed - I don't htink anyone objected, I believe he wants help in testing/implementing? 21:16 kidclamp #link https://framavox.org/d/2juWqIMz/internationalization-plural-forms-context-and-more 21:16 ashimema what did anyone want to say about it> 21:16 kidclamp #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Internationalization,_plural_forms,_context,_and_more_RFC 21:15 kidclamp #info Internationalization, plural forms, context, and more RFC, Framavox 21:15 kidclamp #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) 21:15 ashimema go for it I reckon 21:15 kidclamp moving on? 21:13 kidclamp full queue = full release 21:13 kidclamp qateam++ 21:13 kidclamp something to track the big things happening and who is doing what 21:13 ashimema I think on the qa front cait just wanted to thank everyone for their efforts the last couple of weeks.. we've got loads done (sorry kidclamp for filling your queue to the brim) 21:12 kidclamp taiga was proposed last release, but it didn't catch on 21:12 greenjimll project planner? 21:12 greenjimll what sort of organizational tool? 21:12 kidclamp Joubu mentioned wanting to find an organizational tool this morning - if anyone has any thoughts it would be helpful 21:11 ashimema Mmm.. pretty spares on the QA team front tonight 21:11 ashimema #info 18.05.x is looking for an rmaint for next cycle, I'd love to pass it on to a new happy owner (and will support as best I can) 21:11 kidclamp I don't think we have most of the team here 21:11 kidclamp #topic Updates from the QA team 21:10 kidclamp especially this release 21:10 kidclamp stable is the hard one, lots of rebasing :-) 21:10 ashimema it's been a great learning experience for me this cycle.. and I've been mad enough to offer stable branch rmaint again. 21:10 kidclamp #info RMaints spoke this morning in general. things are moving along nicely, a few big bugs 21:09 kidclamp also, looking for an 18.05 maintainer - if you ever wanted to get your hands dirty, now is a good time 21:09 ashimema #info Working through my rmaint queue after a couple of weeks of concentrating on SO/QA before feature slush... slowly catching back up. 21:08 kidclamp ashimema fridolin? 21:08 kidclamp #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers 21:08 kidclamp #topic 21:08 greenjimll #info Jon Knight, Loughborough University 21:08 kidclamp and it won't have typos 21:08 kidclamp great 21:08 kidclamp #info working on queue, keep jenkins happy, release is going to be greay 21:07 kidclamp that's all for me 21:07 ashimema I'll try to keep more of an eye on Jenkins than usual and offer a hand 21:07 oleonard Agenda: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_7_November_2018 21:06 kidclamp I think we can get it done 21:06 ashimema :) 21:06 kidclamp Lot in the queue, will do my best to clean it up, busy day 21:06 kidclamp I got voted for a second term, will continune reign of terror 21:05 ashimema Hows the queue looking.. are you confident of getting through it before freeze? 21:05 kidclamp help is appreciated for bugs and keeping jenkins happy 21:05 kidclamp working on pushing things 21:05 kidclamp I mentioned slush/freeze 21:05 kidclamp #topic Update from the Release manager (18.11) 21:05 ashimema nothing from me for anouncements 21:04 kidclamp seems no 21:04 ashimema no Joubu? 21:04 kidclamp Anyone else? 21:04 kidclamp #info We are in feature slush, freeze is approaching 21:03 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 21:03 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, USA 21:03 kidclamp #topic Announcements 21:02 ashimema yes, yes there is thd 21:02 kidclamp there is thd 21:02 thd Is there not a meeting now? 21:02 ashimema apologies.. this morning for alexbuckley 21:02 kidclamp dual meeting days 21:02 ashimema quiet tonight 21:01 alexbuckley #info Alex Buckley, Catalyst IT NZ 21:01 andreashm #info Andreas Hedström Mace, Stockholm University Library 21:00 ashimema #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe 21:00 kidclamp #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions 21:00 kidclamp #topic Introductions 21:00 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_7_november_2018' 21:00 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 21:00 huginn Meeting started Wed Nov 7 21:00:20 2018 UTC. The chair is kidclamp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:00 kidclamp #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 7 November 2018 20:59 ashimema or am I thiking of another channel? 20:59 ashimema did we not used ot have meeting countdown stuff done by a bot 20:59 ashimema hee 20:59 kidclamp 2 minutes 20:58 kidclamp hi ashimema 20:58 ashimema meeting? 20:58 alexbuckley agreed :) 20:58 ashimema hi kidclamp 20:58 ashimema but then lets get back to it.. don't want to let those enhancements go cold again 20:58 ashimema lets keep the momentum.. maybe chill or a week on the enhancements whilst we concentrate on stability and bugfixes ;) 20:57 ashimema no worries :) 20:56 kidclamp meeting! 20:54 alexbuckley hi ashimema, many thanks to you and andreashm for the testing and QA's :) 20:52 wahanui bidet, ashimema 20:52 ashimema hola 20:28 oleonard Bye #koha 20:13 tcohen bye! 20:04 alexbuckley :) 20:04 oleonard Hi alexbuckley 20:02 caroline hi alexbuckley! 20:02 alexbuckley hi all 19:32 cait Joubu: tcohen 19:32 cait http://paste.koha-community.org/168 19:31 cait and then ran up with provision 19:31 cait first i changed the .yml 19:31 cait and running the test in kshell 19:31 cait i did start it in another terminal 19:31 cait t/db_dependent/selenium/regressions.t .. Could not create new session: Unable to connect to host 127.0.0.1 on port 7055 after 45000 ms. Firefox console output: 19:30 cait but got further 19:30 cait still failing the tests 19:30 cait hm 19:20 tcohen we do it the more general we can to ease tweaking later 19:19 tcohen cait: you usually don't need to change versions or URLs 19:18 cait thx 19:12 pastebot "tcohen" at 172.22.66.9 pasted "Joubu: WTF" (64 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/167 19:12 tcohen not for general use 19:12 tcohen that's only if you're trying to test a different selenium version 19:11 tcohen no 19:08 cait do i want to uncomment the selenium url? 19:07 tcohen diff them 19:06 cait ah my file is too old, doesn't have this entries yet 19:06 tcohen hi cait 19:05 cait aha! 19:02 kidclamp https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Using_Selenium_with_Koha#cait: KohaDevBox 19:00 cait tcohen: selenium tests ... kohadevbox? :) 19:00 cait should kohadevbox not have this stuff preset? 19:00 cait hm 18:08 cait I'll try again after dinner 17:53 Joubu cait: ^ 17:53 Joubu there is a step-by-step procedure to run them 17:53 Joubu see t/db_dependent/selenium/basic_workflow.t 17:53 Joubu hum... some of my messages have been lost it seems 17:51 cait Joubu: ^ 17:38 cait http://paste.koha-community.org/166 17:37 cait and jut prove doesn't work 17:37 cait no test plan 17:37 cait but now i got another problem - i have no idea how to run selenium tests 17:36 cait my issue was looking at the depends field instead of the comments :) 17:36 cait ? 17:35 Joubu let push to master, then will see for stable branches 17:35 Joubu s/cannot/am lazy to/ 17:35 Joubu cait: There are patches for 18.11 and master, and they are on the same file. So I cannot provide all the combinations 17:34 cait ... in the comment... argh. 17:33 cait some unnamed dependency maybe? 17:33 cait sha1 useless... 17:33 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21777 major, P5 - low, ---, nick, Signed Off , Checkouts table in circulation is out of alignment (Bug 21562) 17:33 cait bug 21777 doesn't apply for me 17:33 cait Joubu: around? 17:32 davidnind caroline: a REST API is a type of API (this article might be useful https://schoolofdata.org/2013/11/18/web-apis-for-non-programmers/) 17:29 kidclamp needs 21775 too 17:28 kidclamp ah yes, would like to clear that up 17:28 cait i'll qa it now 17:28 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21777 major, P5 - low, ---, nick, Signed Off , Checkouts table in circulation is out of alignment (Bug 21562) 17:28 cait bug 21777 17:28 kidclamp in a meeting, not sure what you mean cait 17:27 cait the one you asked about earlier 17:27 kidclamp ? 17:27 cait kidclamp: need help with something urgent? 16:52 caroline Also, are there current uses of Koha's REST API that would make it easy for someone non-technical to understand what an API does? 16:47 caroline dummy question : what is the difference between an API and a REST API? Is it a subcategory of API? 16:39 tuxayo Joubu (IRC): Indeed, that will avoid unexepected behavoir. 16:35 Joubu and print it to the console 16:35 Joubu maybe you should fallback to a value 16:34 tuxayo Joubu (IRC): thanks, that's better than silently ignoring or throwing an horrible alert() 16:24 Joubu tuxayo: console.log? 16:23 fridolin see u all tomorow 16:11 tuxayo https://gitlab.com/tuxayo/Koha/commit/cba19c76be07e0674167f20c5d7fbffb6627835f#bf0e3ef983c2d21d84c42c6c41b92804a66c0c9b_61_60 16:11 tuxayo QA question: how to handle multiple values of a syspref in the code? (future values, in particular) 16:03 reiveune bye 16:02 ashimema :) 16:02 Joubu Bernardo answered "Yes, If there are no other candidates" 15:57 marcelr htg bye #koha 15:54 marcelr played a bit with 100 and 1000 to speed up 15:53 marcelr on bugzilla 15:52 marcelr sure 15:52 Joubu can you post the full working script? 15:52 marcelr my $consent = $builder->build_object({ class => 'Koha::Patron::Consents' }); in a loop 15:51 marcelr yeah i added some patron::consent add statements before it 15:51 Joubu marcelr: what does it display? I have nothing in my DB to test... 15:50 Joubu ha, better with context 15:49 Joubu marcelr: I do not understand 15:44 marcelr or just a mistake? 15:43 marcelr Joubu: 20819 amazing? 15:31 thd s/tend/tends/ :) 15:28 caroline language is fun :) 15:27 thd GPL and AGPL are also helpful query terms for free software. Querying for other licenses such as Apache or MIT tend to pollute the results. 15:27 caroline From the link eythian sent earlier : " To understand the concept, you should think of “free†as in “free speech,†not as in “free beerâ€. We sometimes call it “libre software,†borrowing the French or Spanish word for “free†as in freedom, to show we do not mean the software is gratis. " 15:27 ashimema Ta 15:26 oleonard Libre 15:26 * ashimema has forgotten what the L stands for in FLOSS 15:25 thd 'Open source' definitely won the marketing battle for 'free software' which is why the 'open source' campaign was created in the first place. 15:24 eythian sometimes pragmatism must triumph 15:24 thd I like FOSS or FLOSS. 15:23 caroline ok so -now- i'm allowed to use open source? ;) 15:23 thd Common usage becomes meaning over time even if we have a more subtle knowledge with etymology. 15:22 eythian usually open source gets you the right results, as annoying as that is to purists :) 15:22 thd 'Open source' is not properly a synonym, however, it is commonly used as one. 15:21 caroline is there a synonym for "free software" in the sense that you use it? Googling "free software task management" returns free as in 0$, not as in freedom 15:17 thd I think that the main problem for project management tools is that the free software community has mostly allowed themselves to be lured into using non-free or non-community based free tools for the task and their has not yet been a priority to create great features for the task as free software. 15:17 ashimema moving on 15:17 ashimema it just feels a bit painful to use.. needs a UX person to make it more consistent I think 15:16 ashimema it's in a collapsed 'activity' box that looks like a comments stream 15:16 ashimema aha.. found it.. 15:15 ashimema but I can't see how to look at a revision history or see what I edited 15:15 ashimema prime example of confusion with taiga.. I can edit a wiki page and I can see that I was the last person to edit it.. 15:14 cait it might be the one i meant 15:14 cait i might be 15:14 oleonard ashimema: I noticed that GitLab has a sub-feature of Issues called "Boards," and it made me think that there might be something there. 15:14 cait hm don't have my taiga account on hand 15:12 caroline cait: is it the "working on" list? 15:12 thd Any problems I had with navigation I attributed to performance on my most portable system simply because of a giant lag in responsiveness with Taiga on that system. 15:12 * ashimema doesn't think bugzilla is going anywhere any time soon.. as much as he feels there are nicer workflows out there 15:12 eythian I don't really have much of an opinion just due to not having really used it deeply. We run gitlab at work (I think it's EE), and I have some things on gitlab.org. Beyond that, I've not used it much. 15:12 ashimema hehe 15:12 cait on the start page? 15:12 cait caroline: i think i had that 15:11 * oleonard wonders if GitLab issues could replace Bugzilla 15:09 ashimema what's your take on GitlabCE then eythian ? 15:09 thd It was on a very limited system where I found performance to be an issue which I would not expect to be a problem for most active contributors. 15:08 caroline What I've never found on Taiga is a list of what is assigned to me 15:06 ashimema performance wasn't an issue.. I just found it hard to navigate.. I never built up enough of an understanding of it to have a clear workflow 15:06 thd ashimema: What are the particular reasons which have made you reluctant to use Taiga? 15:06 eythian I think gitlab has their enterprisy stuff which is some sort of closed, but I don't know the details. 15:05 ashimema and very walled garden now 15:05 ashimema trello is definately closed 15:05 eythian https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html 15:05 eythian well, free software, pedantically :) it's a bit different. 15:05 ashimema yeah.. I thought gitlab started more open than it is now 15:05 caroline no I don't think it's open source 15:05 caroline oh like open source 15:05 ashimema I like trello.. but I'm sure I've heard people here being a bit negative about it? 15:04 eythian as in, it's not free software like koha is 15:04 caroline maybe I just don,t have a big team 15:04 caroline really? I've used it for free... 15:04 eythian non-free though 15:03 ashimema indeed 15:03 caroline if you just need kanban and assignments, there's also Trello which is pretty simple and straightforward 15:03 eythian you could create a private repo for that sort of admin stuff if that was what you wanted. 15:03 oleonard Good idea ashimema 15:03 * ashimema takes a look as an alternative.. worth pondering 15:02 ashimema not sure how open/closed it can be 15:02 ashimema I've not played with it much.. but it does Kanban and assignments 15:02 ashimema I wonder about the issues functionality of gitlab? 14:58 thd Joubu: I do not comment merely to be difficult. However, I did not grasp in the moment that the reason which some people have been reluctant to use Taiga was unrelated to my primary difficulty which I have had with it. 14:57 ashimema community++ 14:57 kidclamp koha++ 14:57 ashimema koha++ 14:57 davidnind kidclamp++ 14:57 oleonard kidclamp++ 14:56 marcelr kidclamp++ 14:54 cait thx oleonard 14:54 cait ok 14:54 ashimema kids permitting 14:54 oleonard 6 hours to dev meeting? 14:54 * ashimema aims to be at the dev meeting 14:54 cait how many hours to next? 14:53 * cait sends cookies 14:53 * cait pushes kidclamp back to pushing ;) 14:53 kidclamp see you all later today ? 14:53 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2018/general_irc_meeting_7_november_2018.2018-11-07-14.03.log.html 14:53 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2018/general_irc_meeting_7_november_2018.2018-11-07-14.03.txt 14:53 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2018/general_irc_meeting_7_november_2018.2018-11-07-14.03.html 14:53 huginn Meeting ended Wed Nov 7 14:53:41 2018 UTC. 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(v 0.1.4) 14:53 kidclamp #endmeeting 14:53 kidclamp #info Next meeting: 14 November 2018, 14 UTC 14:52 ashimema lets try for that date.. we can't go on indefinitely if there is no feedback we need to reconsider our position 14:52 oleonard +1 14:52 cait we can still postpone 14:52 cait having a deadline before release would be good I think 14:52 marcelr depends on reactions? 14:51 kidclamp November 14, 14:00 UCT? 14:51 ashimema +1 14:51 cait quick one 14:51 cait yes 14:51 kidclamp one week? to vote for things 14:51 kidclamp #topic Next meeting 14:50 kidclamp #link https://tree.taiga.io/project/joubu-koha-rm-1711/wiki/about Taiga for koha 14:50 cait ok, ending meeting quickly? :) 14:50 Joubu https://tree.taiga.io/project/joubu-koha-rm-1711/wiki/about 14:50 cait ? 14:50 cait some place to list urgent tasks and for people to grab them= 14:50 Joubu thd: please stop 14:50 cait sounds good 14:50 ashimema not 'invitation only'.. but not hugely promoted either.. agreed upon by a core group I think 14:49 kidclamp have the taiga link handy Joubu? 14:49 Joubu working on a daily basis on bug fixes, tests, etc. 14:49 ashimema agreed.. only needs to be the real core folks really 14:49 thd I quite like Taiga except for its consumption of system resources with unnecessary JavaScript. 14:49 Joubu ... or 6 14:49 Joubu we are less than 10 14:49 Joubu I do not need "lot of people", I just want few people, the active ones 14:48 caroline I could do a short tutorial for taiga? 14:48 kidclamp #info We need a method of organizing priorities and who is handling them during the release, taiga is a possibility, but we need a tool all will use, please consider and discuss at next meeting(s) 14:48 ashimema I found I was using alot of time just trying to navigate it.. perhaps I need some lessons 14:48 Joubu read the wiki page as well? 14:48 marcelr i thought that we concluded that yet another tool was too much for a lot of people 14:48 ashimema I tried 14:48 Joubu I think people did not really try it 14:48 * ashimema fins taiga hard to work with personally 14:48 thd Do we have no alternative to the CPU wastage of Tagia? 14:47 cait yes 14:47 ashimema talk next meeting 14:47 cait the docs team is using it 14:47 * ashimema uses the dashboard as a part of his workflow.. perhaps we could extend it a little to help keep dev team on the same page a bit more? 14:47 cait can someone summarize for info? i am struggling 14:47 marcelr it didnt work 14:47 Joubu I suggested taiga, and I still think it's a tool we need. But I am open to anything else 14:47 cait maybe another go with taigo? 14:46 Joubu we need different views: the "big things" (who/what/when), the release things, and the urgent things 14:46 ashimema yes 14:46 Guest2299 Project Koha_Master_D8 build #94: STILL UNSTABLE in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/94/ 14:46 cait shoudl we info? 14:46 ashimema Joubu++ 14:46 cait not good .) 14:46 cait losing momentum again 14:46 cait an issue is that after release things tend to get quiet 14:45 kidclamp Joubu++ 14:45 ashimema would be good to agree some shared targets for next release.. I can see a few patterns emarging right near the end of this cycle.. be good to keep the pressure on those for early next cycle 14:45 Joubu I'd people to think a bit about it, then maybe we could discuss that later during the dev meeting 14:45 Joubu But I did not think about it closely, so it will be messy. I would like people to think about how we could improve our communication. I think we are missing a tool/channel to keep track of 1. the urgent topics/bug# we need to focus on and 2. the tasks affected to someone. IRC (laters or pm) and bugzilla comments are not sufficient, at least for me. 14:45 wahanui i think Joubu is kidding, right ;) 14:45 cait Joubu? 14:44 cait yep sorry 14:44 ashimema agreed 14:44 kidclamp mayeb this is conversation for the dev meeting? 14:44 cait just trying to give some direction - there is a lot with elastic and we need to get them in in some sensible sequence 14:43 * ashimema needs to get back on top of his rmaint queue.. but then intends to get back to ES.. likely not quick enough for this cycle though.. 19.05 early I reckon 14:43 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21336 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , GDPR: Handle unsubscribe requests automatically by optional (administrative) lock, anonymize and remove 14:43 marcelr just mentioning bug 21336 here for the next cycle too (gdpr) 14:42 cait not everyone has in-house devs capable to do that .) 14:42 ashimema agreed 14:42 kidclamp I would love to get all the big es fixes in for 19.05 (would have loved for 18.11 ) 14:42 cait I think we should work towards fixing that 14:42 cait thy all use additional patches that haven't been included yet 14:42 cait we currently have some libraries using Elasticsearc, but none on a released version 14:41 cait i talked to Ere, he said it's the next one we need to go in - so advertising it a bit 14:41 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19893 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, glasklas, Needs Signoff , Alternative optimized indexing for Elasticsearch 14:41 cait For elastic search, the next one we need is bug 19893 14:41 Joubu I do too. 14:40 cait yes 14:40 cait ah 14:40 kidclamp anyone have anything for Misc? 14:40 kidclamp thanks marcel 14:40 * ashimema likes that there's a good list of topic experts there and intends to throw work their way when he needs QA help ;) 14:40 kidclamp #topic MIscellaneous 14:40 marcelr it must be done still 14:39 marcelr kidclamp: i propose to send the patch for 18.11 release team on master; as i did last versions 14:39 kidclamp #info roles for 19.05 are accepted with translation manager and 18.05 maint tbd 14:39 ashimema :) 14:39 huginn oleonard: downloading the Perl source 14:39 oleonard huginn: Has cait been sent to prison for voter fraud? 14:39 kidclamp heh, unanimous 14:38 huginn Yes (13): Joubu, andreashm, davidnind, thd, AndrewIsh, georgew, oleonard, ashimema, marcelr, kidclamp, cait, tcohen, caroline 14:38 huginn Voted on "Do we vote to accept the roles for 19.05 as proposed on the wiki page "Roles for 19.05" with the exception of Translation manager" and "18.05 Maintainer" to be voted on their own special meeting in a week?" Results are 14:38 kidclamp #endvote 14:38 * ashimema wonders what tcohen just said formeally for? 14:38 cait yes.. please not we are not trying to cheat :) 14:38 ashimema me either.. hense the double vote ;) 14:38 kidclamp last call 14:37 cait not sure if that's case sensitive 14:37 Joubu marcelr: I do not think so, if I have them I did not use them this release 14:37 cait #vote Yes 14:37 tcohen marcelr: formally 14:37 cait #vote yes 14:37 AndrewIsh #vote Yes 14:37 ashimema #vote Yes 14:37 marcelr didnt you have them already ? joubu 14:37 georgew #vote Yes 14:37 thd #vote yes 14:37 tcohen #vote yes 14:37 davidnind #vote Yes 14:37 Joubu Note that I ask for push permissions! 14:37 marcelr #vote Yes 14:37 andreashm #vote Yes 14:37 ashimema #vote yes 14:36 oleonard #vote Yes 14:36 caroline #vote Yes 14:36 Joubu #vote yes 14:36 kidclamp #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_19.05 Roles for 19.05 14:36 kidclamp #vote Yes 14:36 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 14:36 huginn Begin voting on: Do we vote to accept the roles for 19.05 as proposed on the wiki page "Roles for 19.05" with the exception of Translation manager" and "18.05 Maintainer" to be voted on their own special meeting in a week? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain. 14:36 kidclamp #startvote Do we vote to accept the roles for 19.05 as proposed on the wiki page "Roles for 19.05" with the exception of Translation manager" and "18.05 Maintainer" to be voted on their own special meeting in a week? Yes, No, Abstain 14:36 marcelr do we agree on .. ? 14:35 cait i could never come up with one .) 14:35 Guest2299 Project Koha_Master_U18 build #87: STILL UNSTABLE in 30 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/87/ 14:35 cait ... as a question 14:35 Guest2299 Project Koha_Master_D9 build #598: STILL UNSTABLE in 31 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/598/ 14:35 kidclamp okay, lemme phrase this 14:35 marcelr like critical bugs and so ? 14:34 oleonard 's continuing reign to include more fire and brimstone 14:34 * oleonard would like kidclamp 14:34 marcelr its more or less everything statys the same 14:33 kidclamp yes, mainly the same, except now I know how muich time it takes, and am slightly better at it 14:33 andreashm lets vote 14:33 * ashimema is happy for you to 'continue as before' 14:33 * ashimema is happy to link to your 18.11 proposal for you if it's the same.. 14:33 cait +1 for one vote 14:32 kidclamp that's true - same as before, but finish the things I did not and work on community involvement? I can write more if you wish 14:32 cait yeah, don't let people jump off now :) 14:31 Joubu kidclamp: I did not find your proposal 14:31 * ashimema thinks we can vote on whats there and just leave to the two missing ones to next meeting 14:30 kidclamp beyond that, can we vote on the remaining in a single call? or wait until next week and do the whole shebang 14:30 ashimema brill 14:30 kidclamp i took it ashimema 14:30 ashimema I sent the last chaser 14:30 kidclamp :-D 14:30 kidclamp #action kidclamp will email list to ask for volunteers for needed roles, will schedule special meeting for vote in a week 14:30 ashimema who do we want to send out a chaser email for those two roles? 14:30 fridolin let see what comes 14:29 ashimema hard to commit fully.. but lets see if we can get some new blood first 14:29 fridolin indeed 14:29 ashimema if pushed, we could perhaps share it fridolin? 14:29 ashimema happy to share all I've learned this cycle (and the old bregade are here to help still too I'm sure) 14:28 fridolin if its realy needed i could do it with 17.11 but I'd like to change 14:28 ashimema would be good to get new blood involved :) 14:28 fridolin :) 14:28 ashimema :) 14:27 cait and second oldest is a good one to start with 14:27 cait true 14:27 fridolin would be cool to have someone new 14:27 marcelr seems a good idea to me 14:27 cait let's have another meeting for that in a week or so? and another call on mailing list 14:26 kidclamp 18.05 maint, any volunteers? 14:25 caroline I vote for waiting until we hear back 14:25 Joubu we do not have another choice anyway 14:25 cait and pretend he stays on until a successor is found or we hear back 14:25 cait maybe resolve next meetingß 14:24 kidclamp can we ask tcohen or someone to reach out and tentatively vote him in? 14:24 Joubu (trying to reach him) 14:23 Joubu He was late last release as well 14:23 cait tcohen: ? 14:23 cait I don't know if it's by mistake or not 14:23 cait I've had some trouble reaching him lately 14:23 ashimema both have merrits.. I think I'm leaning towards Joubu's version at the moment 14:22 kidclamp is bernardo out? or just didn't sign up? 14:22 ashimema I looked at bug 21770 earlier.. was just debating which version to lean towards. 14:22 cait we are missing 2 - translation manager and rmaint 18.05 14:22 kidclamp #topic Roles for 19.05 - Elections! 14:21 kidclamp that's all i got for now 14:21 kidclamp ^ to fix jenkins 14:21 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21770 normal, P5 - low, ---, chris, Signed Off , t::lib::QA::TemplateFilters should allow html_entity in href 14:21 kidclamp bug 21770 14:20 kidclamp what Joubu said :-) 14:20 kidclamp if we had consensus and well tested I would consider - if not it is priority for next release 14:20 Joubu marcelr: I'd say it depends on feedback we get 14:19 ashimema 21610 is on my list to revist after this meeting :) 14:19 marcelr thought it was for the next cycle 14:19 marcelr could 21610 still make it then ? 14:19 cait more things pushed, there are really some goodies in that queue 14:19 cait save the time of the RM... 14:19 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21610 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Koha::Object->store needs to handle incorrect values 14:19 Joubu About 18.11, I'd like to note that QA members and other tech guys should take a look at bug 21610 and bug 21526. 14:19 oleonard Well you could make me rebase them kidclamp 14:18 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21526 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , TT variables used to build a link should be uri filtered 14:18 wahanui bug 21526 is going to make me rebase all oleonard's patches again isn't it :| 14:18 kidclamp bug 21526 14:18 Joubu fridolin: Fixed already 14:18 kidclamp #info kidclamp is pushing to master, tryiing to clear the queue, needs help in moving along bugs to fix jenkins failures and bugs needed for release 14:18 fridolin Joubu: if you can look ^ 14:18 fridolin strange circular dependancy issue 14:17 fridolin i mean i did not backport in the end 14:17 fridolin i reverted it 14:17 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21396 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, RESOLVED FIXED, Missing use statements in Koha::Account 14:17 fridolin yep, had one jenkins failure because of Bug 21396 14:17 kidclamp Lots of good things to get in, but lots of cleanup to be done as well :-) 14:16 kidclamp Please focus on bugs to fix jenkins and get blockers/criticals/majors cleaned up 14:16 ashimema will do fridolin 14:16 kidclamp already mentioned, 18.11 is in slush, freeze on Friday. I will be out Friday so pushing things is my priority now 14:16 fridolin i will read your release note to see i have all major+ bugs 14:15 fridolin ashimema: tell me when you push it 14:15 kidclamp #info bug 21771 is needed for stab;e 14:15 ashimema :boring: rmaints.. it's good to be boring :) 14:15 cait too slow :) 14:15 cait bug 21771 14:15 kidclamp #info ahsimema catching up after focusing on so/qa for master 14:15 ashimema :) 14:15 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21771 major, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Password recovery is broken (see 20023) 14:15 fridolin Bug 21771 14:14 kidclamp #info Stable releases moving as usual 14:14 fridolin ah yes cait wich bug nb ? 14:14 fridolin i will continue RMaint 17.11.x after 18.11 release 14:14 cait password recovery with email is broken in 17.11.11 14:14 ashimema I'm just cathcing up on my rmaint queue at the moment after spending a couple of weeks before the freeze on qa/so 14:14 * fridolin preparing 17.11.12 release, nothing special 14:13 ashimema Nothing major to report.. 14:13 Archie^ sorry, yes 14:13 caroline #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inlibro 14:13 oleonard Joubu++ 14:13 fridolin caroline: bien le bonjour 14:13 wahanui i think fridolin is indeed, but maybe not on Rmain 18.11 14:13 kidclamp fridolin 14:13 kidclamp #topic Update on releases 14:13 oleonard Hi caroline, welcome to the meeting 14:12 caroline good morning! 14:12 cait and meeting :) 14:12 cait Archie^: the column from earlier - only you. we put the ISIL as branchcode, MarcOrgCode is also the isil usually 14:12 ashimema Archie^ We're in a meeting right now.. any change you could ask your question again in half hour or so? 14:12 kidclamp moving on? 14:12 Archie^ Does Koha has any tablespace for ISIL codes of Libraries? 14:12 * ashimema thinks his irc client is playing up again.. 14:12 cait #action Joubu to add release/freeze dates to calendar 14:11 Joubu yep 14:11 ashimema Joubu, you're the calandar gatekeeper aren't you.? can those be added? 14:11 Joubu November 27 - Release 14:11 Joubu November 16 - String Freeze - 2nd draft of release notes 14:11 cait Sep 25, 2018; 12:06pm Koha 18.11 Dates 14:11 Joubu November 9 - Feature freeze - only bugfixes will pushed after this - 1st draft of release notes 14:11 kidclamp sorry oleonard , i got your later and did not get them set there 14:11 cait long message thing 14:10 * ashimema sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/rVKjeagJmrvZSUhIwPPOTIQH > 14:10 kidclamp #info Koha Development IRC meeting later today as well 14:10 cait oleonard: there as an email to the list sec 14:10 * cait hopes that was right 14:10 oleonard I don't know the dates of the release stages... Don't see them on the calendar.... So feature freeze is when? String freeze? 14:10 cait #info We have reached feature slush last Friday, going into feature freeze this Friday 14:09 georgew I had the link a second ago. hold on. 14:09 cait #info koha-US has a meeting today at 16:30 UTC 14:09 georgew koha-US has a meeting today at 16:30 UTC 14:09 kidclamp yup 14:08 ashimema feature slush ;) 14:08 kidclamp anybody have announcements? 14:08 cait he is not that wrong.... coooookies 14:07 * cait shrugs 14:07 wahanui qa team are the real gatekeepers, send cookies their way 14:07 ashimema wahanui (IRC): qa team 14:07 davidnind hi fridolin! 14:07 kidclamp #topic Announcements 14:07 davidnind cait: feels like it! Keep on waking up at ridiculous times! 14:07 Joubu #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_7_November_2018 14:07 kidclamp alex_a, jajm, marcelr, khall, tcohen, josefmoravec, ashimema,rangi 14:07 fridolin davidnind nice to see you :D 14:07 ashimema qa team 14:06 cait davidnind: sleep walking? 14:06 cait qa? 14:06 kidclamp ppor wahanui 14:06 davidnind #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand 14:05 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, USA 14:05 kidclamp QAteam? 14:05 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 14:05 cait Qa_team 14:05 wahanui it has been said that Rmaints is ashimema and fridolin are the rmaints 14:05 cait Rmaints? 14:05 cait memory loss? 14:05 fridolin hé bonjour 14:05 fridolin #info Fridolin Somers, Biblibre France 14:05 wahanui joubu: wish i knew 14:05 Joubu wahanui: qa_team? 14:04 wahanui hmmm... rmaints is ashimema and fridolin are the rmaints 14:04 Joubu rmaints? 14:04 AndrewIsh #info Andrew Isherwood, PTFS Europe 14:04 wahanui i don't know, joubu 14:04 Joubu wahanui: ? 14:04 Joubu qa_team? 14:04 georgew #info George Williams, Northeast Kansas Library System 14:04 huginn Current chairs: Joubu cait kidclamp 14:04 kidclamp #chair Joubu 14:04 huginn Current chairs: cait kidclamp 14:04 kidclamp #chair cait 14:04 andreashm #info Andreas Hedström Mace, Stockholm University Library 14:04 kidclamp #info Nick Clemens, ByWaterSolutions 14:04 ashimema #info Martin Renvoize - PTFS Europe 14:04 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart 14:04 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany 14:03 kidclamp #topic Introductions 14:03 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_7_november_2018' 14:03 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 14:03 huginn Meeting started Wed Nov 7 14:03:50 2018 UTC. The chair is kidclamp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:03 kidclamp #startmeeting General IRC meeting 7 November 2018 14:03 andreashm sleeping on the job wahanui? 14:03 cait hm wahanui 14:03 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 14391: (follow-up) check for correct patron categories permission <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e40907a67e6fdcdca6e4eda4c1a74a238275fe1c> 14:03 oleonard Yeah I could meeting. 14:03 cait irc meetings? 14:03 cait next meetings? 14:02 andreashm meeting? 14:02 cait meeting now? 14:01 andreashm cait: yeah, possibly 14:01 cait another typo? 14:01 cait ok thx! 14:01 kidclamp I got it cait, easy fix 14:00 cait Joubu: i will look into fixing it after the meeting 14:00 cait um 0 14:00 cait magnuse: andreashm: the difference could be something like "" vs. NULL vs. 9 13:59 cait Joubu: UGH 13:58 * cait waves 13:56 Archie^ cool then it's safe to remove. Tnx oleonard 13:56 oleonard Archie^: I don't. 13:55 Archie^ can someone check? ;D don't remember me creating it 13:54 oleonard Archie^: I hope you're the only one :| 13:54 andreashm I'm not sure why we don't have 0 instead. Should be the same result 13:52 andreashm It doesn't renew until the due date 13:52 andreashm magnuse: 999 13:52 oleonard The issue we're having with automatic renewals is that the "item due" notice seems to go out *just* before the automatic renewal goes through :P 13:52 magnuse andreashm: how high is ridiculous, and how does it behave then? 13:52 Guest2299 Project Koha_Master_D8 build #93: STILL UNSTABLE in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/93/ 13:51 magnuse oleonard: i don't know how it behaves with a 2-5 day value for "no renewal before", but i will find out :-) 13:50 Joubu the link "Patron categories" is not displayed 13:50 Archie^ am i am the only one who has a "column_23" in table branches? 13:49 Joubu cait: koha_1 | SCREENSHOT: https://framapic.org/2vzFPRMkHvyA/pSVycziXstLI 13:49 Joubu cait: koha_1 | An element could not be located on the page using the given search parameters: //div[@class="main container-fluid"]//a[contains(@href, "/admin/categories.pl")],xpath at /kohadevbox/koha/t/lib/Selenium.pm line 160. 13:49 andreashm we have a ridiculous high numer for no renewals before 13:49 oleonard That matches our 14 day checkout period. 13:49 Joubu https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/86/consoleFull 13:49 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14391 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Granular permissions for the administration module 13:49 Joubu cait: I think bug 14391 caused the last Jenkins failure 13:49 oleonard In our production system, running 17.11.10, we have automatic renewals with no "no renewal before" value set for any item type. An item I checked out on 2018-10-12 has been automatically renewed once, on 2018-10-26 13:46 cait i am not sure what might have changed, but it was definitely like that 13:46 cait oleonard: i know they used to, one of our libraries developed the initial auto-renew 13:46 cait oleonard: did you check the number of renewals on some items? shoudl be easy to see from there 13:46 oleonard magnuse: But do automatic renewals follow that rule? It doesn't appear that they do, assuming the our automatic renewal process runs nightly. 13:45 Guest2299 Project Koha_Master_D9 build #597: STILL UNSTABLE in 31 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/597/ 13:45 magnuse oleonard: from the docs: "Items can be renewed at any time if this value is left blank. Otherwise items can only be renewed if the item is due after the number in units (days/hours) entered in this box." https://koha-community.org/manual/18.05/en/html/administration.html#default-circulation-rules 13:44 oleonard cait: It doesn't appear to be working that way for us in production 13:43 Guest2299 Project Koha_Master_U18 build #86: STILL UNSTABLE in 33 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/86/ 13:43 cait i'd think so 13:43 oleonard So without "no renewal before" set, automatic renewals renew everything every day? 13:42 cait kidclamp++ 13:40 * cait hopes that makes sense 13:40 cait so you can choose to let them only renew a certain time period before things are due and negate those effects 13:40 magnuse cait++ Joubu++ 13:40 cait they either get a much nicer due_date immediately (which makes renewals kind of nonsense) or they lose a renewal attempt because the same date will be caluclated 13:40 magnuse that made things a lot clearer for me! 13:39 cait depending on how you calculate the the due date 13:39 cait so in theory if you have it not set, the user can check out an item and go immediately to the opac and renew the item 13:39 cait the auto-renewal checks like the normal ones if a renewal is possible (yet) and if not, it doesn't happen 13:38 cait it affects both, normal and automatic 13:38 oleonard cait: I don't understand how that affects automatic renewals 13:37 cait so 2 days before the loan period ends... you can renew 13:37 magnuse ah... 13:37 cait we have something between 2-5 days 13:37 cait that#s immediately 13:37 cait yes 13:36 magnuse cait: it is set, but to the same value as the loan period. could that be a problem? 13:36 cait magnuse: only allow renewals x days before the due date - so renewals will only start getting tried then 13:36 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21499 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Emails about automatic renewal sent in error 13:36 cait magnuse: set the no renewal before value 13:36 magnuse also bug 21499 13:35 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19014 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Patrons should not get a on_reserve notification if the due date is far into the future 13:35 Joubu bug 19014 13:35 Joubu and a patch 13:35 Joubu iirc there is a bug reported for this feature 13:34 oleonard kidclamp: We don't have that set at all. What is the recommended value? 13:33 magnuse it is set, at least now. i will double check that it wasn't done very recently 13:33 kidclamp that prevents the items from renewing until they have been out a while 13:32 kidclamp you have to set the no renewals before magnuse 13:31 magnuse *getting close 13:29 magnuse automatic renewals - are they supposed to start happening the day after a loan was issued? i would expect them to start when the due date is getting closed. one library that uses them is running out of allowed renewals before the due date is passed... 13:27 marcelr would be great 13:26 oleonard I know I had some work in progress for that, now I have to see if I can find it... 13:26 marcelr cait++ 13:26 marcelr but if i add a new class for it, would you have some nice styling in mind ? 13:25 marcelr oleonard: somehow nothing happened ;) 13:23 cait yep... now one more.... and I will be a really happy cait :) 13:23 wahanui o/`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` 13:23 cait confetti! 13:21 huginn magnuse: I've exhausted my database of quotes 13:21 magnuse @confetti! 13:21 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14391 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Granular permissions for the administration module 13:21 magnuse ooh cait: bug 14391 13:19 oleonard We talked about cataloging plugin buttons a while ago, and I thought there was a bug you were working on which was going to lay the groundwork for some changes 13:17 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21709 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , Addbiblio shows tag editor icons which do nothing 13:17 marcelr oleonard: any suggestion for bug 21709 ? did we talk about that before.. 13:16 marcelr hi #koha 13:09 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 14391: Add granular permissions to the administration module <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=252f4674a56301c22dda32f2d41985c26f185650> 13:09 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 14391: (QA follow-up) Resolve POD warn on svc..systempreferences <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=16f475e49358a5a808f34edb301605a480efac2e> 13:09 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 21387: Receive items from - form should include tax hints <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=702ca8e9a341ea8350bb69596be5ce8c29596b45> 13:09 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 14391: (QA follow-up) Fix some typos <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=88753242468cc4c88d916ab9aa57e8473539b9dc> 13:09 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 21474: Add the Koha::Subscription->frequency method <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7bd3e6736cf057682ccbd01574d979670e18132b> 13:09 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 14391: Keep parameters_remaining_permissions for now <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fa611c5b7299c0c2d813d478f2beea95236f5951> 13:09 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 21619: Expand tax abreviations in acquisitions form hints <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=dec84e08208b16ea0d6c1423b8d0b724a5c3a777> 13:09 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 14391: Move udpate to perl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=89b16151ca89400f80d7c1a847ffe69cc84b02cb> 13:09 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 14391: (QA follow-up) Correct database update for manage_item_search_fields permi... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a29824970c900706b5fe158379c357516937730c> 13:09 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 14391: (RM follow-up) Adjust a few template conditions <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d932101fa3ff620cd61994cecec6117ebb8ca2e7> 13:09 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 14391: DBRev 18.06.00.052 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=29456ce3d8115a2287fd7c103c9fd9acd9bbee1b> 13:06 * ashimema is scared of writing tests for C4::Breeding now 13:06 ashimema you'd need to make sure the mapping.xml for each IdP is setup nicely to map the two different IdP's to a 'nice' overlapping final output which goes to Koha 13:05 ashimema the native service provider software supports it for us and we just map the same was we usually do at the koha end 13:04 ashimema yes.. it's done outside of koha itself though 13:04 cait ashimema: question for you... can you configure more than one shibboleth provider with Koha? 13:02 * oleonard is used to it. 13:02 magnuse the horror! 13:02 wahanui it has been said that oleonard is seeing some buggy stuff though 13:02 magnuse oleonard! 13:02 magnuse Archie^: if you have not seen it, this page will tell you more about the use of 952 for item data: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Holdings_data_fields_(9xx) 12:46 wahanui hi oleopard 12:46 Archie^ hi oleonard 12:45 oleonard Hi all 12:43 * ashimema needs more :Tea: 12:31 Archie^ right so from what i gathered i need to add encoding ISO 8859 - 4 into marcedit and that's not going to happen any time soon. guess i need to work with developers on this one 12:19 kidclamp easy sign off, bad bug 12:19 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21777 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Checkouts table in circulation is out of alignment (Bug 21562) 12:19 kidclamp bug 21777 12:19 kidclamp Archie 952 is where item information is stored for koha 12:18 kidclamp magnuse 12:18 kidclamp that not good magnue 12:12 Archie^ * 952? 12:12 Archie^ ? TRIK 12:11 Archie^ ashimema: ^ 12:11 Archie^ a damn i had to restart my pc. What was the MARC record for koha to list items ? 12:02 magnuse gah, i have several servers/instances where the fix from https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/DBMS_auto_increment_fix does not seem to work... 12:01 magnuse kia ora kidclamp 11:56 Archie^ hi kidclamp 11:55 kidclamp hello everyone 11:53 Archie^ you are right, i'm 100% gui guy 11:53 Archie^ nah i'm not into scripting ;D 11:00 ashimema ever scripted.. Marc::Record would probably be my next tool.. (actually I would usually start by scripting, but I presumed you were a gui guy 😉 ) 11:00 Archie^ allright, brb, lunch time 10:59 ashimema oh, fun 10:58 Archie^ Marc Edit does not understand russian language ;D 10:54 ashimema pqa :) 10:09 cait andreashm++ ashimema++ 10:07 ashimema i'll get onto qa 10:07 ashimema thanks.. that'll makes Alex's day :) 10:07 ashimema :D 10:06 andreashm ashimema: ^^ 10:06 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21754 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, alexbuckley, Signed Off , If an item is marked as lost, any outstanding transfers upon it should be automatically cancelled 10:06 andreashm bug 21754 10:00 andreashm Should be doable with MarcEdit then 09:50 Archie^ ~ 8k 09:49 andreashm how many records are we talking about? 09:48 Archie^ hmm, yeah good idea, marcedit might do that 09:48 ashimema it's been a long time.. but I vaguely remember it being fairly simple using MarcEdit or similar tools 09:48 Archie^ nah, that old legacy system BARELY supports marcXML, that's why we are migrating to KOHA ;D 09:47 ashimema there's an option in the export to include items 09:47 ashimema that's how most systems I've worked with do it.. 09:47 ashimema or.. you're old ILS should be able to add items into their export 09:47 ashimema shouldn't be a desperately hard edit though 09:47 ashimema yup 09:47 Archie^ so that means i have to modify every record in marcxml file ? 09:46 Archie^ ashimema: i tried using bulkmarcimport but somehow i cant run it correctly 09:46 * andreashm might be wrong about the field... seldom adds items to records on import 09:46 andreashm I think you can add items as 952 fields in the marcxml record, when you import it will be added as an item 09:45 * ashimema uses bulkmarcimport.pl from the command line personally.. but it's basically the same thing 09:45 andreashm Bibliographic records (what you are uploading) won't connect to a specific branch/library, but items do. 09:45 ashimema what andreashm said 09:44 andreashm Yes, you need to add items to these books, an have one field (homebranch) use the branchcode of that library 09:44 Archie^ or do i need to login into koha and on login page i need to select the specific library and it should be enough 09:43 Archie^ it's marcXML. i know that i can upload the data via tools -> Stage MARC records for import but as far as i understand it will just upload these books into koha without actually mapping them to one specific Library 09:42 andreashm Is the data in MARC/MARCXML? 09:41 Archie^ i have a database of books from a specific library. Now how would i add these books into koha, so koha knows that these are the books from this specific library 09:41 Archie^ ok i stated my question incorrectly 09:37 Archie^ but what im trying to understand is, how do i specify difference of books in koha that these are " items " in " library" 09:37 ashimema so what don't you get? ;) 09:37 ashimema caveat.. library 'could' be a small group of buildings if you really wanted it to be 09:36 Archie^ no i mean i get that 09:36 ashimema library = 'the building the shelves are in' 09:36 ashimema item = 'the thing you're lending.. the physical thing you put on the shelf' 09:35 Archie^ or libraries for that matter 09:35 Archie^ i'm having trouble understanding what is considered an "item" in terms of KOHA 09:30 ashimema very odd.. make's QA 'hard' 09:30 magnuse sounds fragile, yes 09:30 ashimema especially as they seem to often be called a long way apart 09:29 ashimema still feels prone to error to have to manually call LostItem after any case of ModItem around the codebase 09:29 magnuse a key piece of koha lore :-) 09:29 ashimema thanks magnuse 09:29 ashimema thats the one 09:28 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn. 09:28 huginn magnuse: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 09:28 magnuse @quote get 123 09:27 ashimema hmm 09:26 huginn ashimema: I've exhausted my database of quotes 09:26 ashimema huginn (IRC): quote123 09:26 ashimema quote 123 09:26 ashimema lol 09:26 andreashm ashimema: I'm sure there is some (weird?) use case for that! =) 09:23 * ashimema wonders if there's ever a reason one would not want to fire the ItemLost routine after marking an item as lost 09:19 * andreashm goes to look at 21754 09:17 andreashm ah thanks 09:15 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20844 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, alexbuckley, ASSIGNED , Reset a hold when it is missing after allocation 09:15 ashimema but that's where bug 20844 comes in 09:14 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20285 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle, RESOLVED FIXED, Lost item refund won't always pay down lost item fee first 09:14 andreashm And have got it sorted now. Kind of. It was bug 20285 09:14 ashimema I think the thing you'd lose is transfers setup by holds/reserves 09:14 ashimema it should trigger a new transfer 09:14 * andreashm is on 17.11 09:14 ashimema yup 09:13 ashimema I wasn't aware of any problems.. happy to try and help 09:13 andreashm ashimema: the one case I have been thinking about is if the lost item is actually returned... but that would trigger a new transfer (if it is not checked in at the home branch), right? 09:13 ashimema what's wrong in 18.05 with lost items then? 09:13 ashimema I would really like to QA it today.. but as it's migrated twice now I kinda feel I need a new SO (rather than migrating Owens signoff from the original bug) 09:12 * andreashm has been struggling with lost items the last few weeks yes. =) 09:12 ashimema :) 09:12 andreashm ashimema: I have been thinking about that one. trying to come up with a use case for keeping the transfer... but so far hasn't thought of one. =) 09:12 ashimema you seemed knowledgable about that area pointing out changes to MarkLostItemsAsReturned ;) 09:11 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21754 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, alexbuckley, Needs Signoff , If an item is marked as lost, any outstanding transfers upon it should be automatically cancelled 09:11 ashimema andreashm, any opinion on bug 21754 09:04 ashimema :) 09:03 andreashm hi ashimema 09:03 andreashm (depending on what you upgrade from) 09:02 andreashm magnuse: I would keep an eye on the behaviour of MarkLostItemsAsReturned 09:01 ashimema Mornin' #koha 09:01 Archie^ Good morning everyone 08:51 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21486 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , SIP does not return checked out (charged) items on patron_information request 08:51 * magnuse makes a note of bug 21486 08:51 magnuse andreashm: thanks! already have one customer running it, so not expecting any great surprises 08:41 andreashm magnuse: good luck 08:41 andreashm cait: I thought you where in the process of upgrading? seen you comment a lot about 17.11.11. =) 08:30 * magnuse is doing an upgrade to 18.05 for a customer tomorrow 08:30 magnuse \o/ 08:27 cait hm? 08:26 andreashm getting ready to upgrade? 08:26 andreashm hey cait 08:26 * cait waves 08:25 * andreashm waves 08:15 tuxayo hi #koha o/ 07:56 wahanui hello, alex_a 07:56 alex_a bonjour 07:45 wahanui privet, reiveune 07:45 reiveune hello 06:45 fridolin hi 03:08 laeng Is there a way to fix it? 03:08 laeng Everything is set correctly, but it is white. 03:07 laeng There is a problem creating a callnumber label. 03:07 laeng hi 03:06 laeng There is a problem creating a callnumber label. 03:06 laeng There is a problem creating a callnumber label. 03:05 wahanui hey, laeng 03:05 laeng hi 03:05 laeng ้ร 03:05 laeng สวัสดี