Time  Nick           Message
23:56 jenkins        Project Koha_Master_U18 build #42: UNSTABLE in 26 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/42/
23:54 jenkins        Project Koha_Master_D9 build #554: UNSTABLE in 25 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/554/
23:50 Joubu          whenever you want :)
23:49 kidclamp       Joubu: canwe have that conversation tomorrow? or over beers
23:40 huginn`        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21006 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nick, Needs Signoff , GetMarcBiblio is slow for records with many items
23:40 kidclamp       ere bug 21006
23:28 huginn`        News from kohagit: Bug 19179: Email option for SMSSendDriver is not documented <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2d6cf8bd7a0e290c8bb947ed1880f1e906d0e74c>
23:28 huginn`        News from kohagit: Bug 21334: Unit tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1442499a0b6d6c22c87b7ef9eea4c7cc540e3fce>
23:28 huginn`        News from kohagit: Bug 21334: Add bibliographic content type definitions <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b612ec7a0de5c77ca29a07728664fbd1d8cb7812>
23:28 huginn`        News from kohagit: Bug 19179: (QA follow-up) Replace second E-mail <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b0ef7174fe601bbf39408e455365ea563949b4bb>
23:28 huginn`        News from kohagit: Bug 21233: (follow-up) POD fix <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b29c4e2bf9562c47b525b2b0644fb48db7853df2>
23:19 rangi          calire1: i got that recalls to rebase finally
21:59 tcohen         Joubu: whenever you want
21:35 Joubu          tcohen, khall (not connected), kidclamp, rangi, cait2, others: I'd like to have a discussion about the "what's on in koha-devel" email, how we could have people contributing to it (I do not want to continue alone)
21:23 huginn`        Bug 18723: critical, P5 - low, ---, victor.grousset, NEW , Dot not recognized as decimal separator on receive
21:23 cait2          kidclamp: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18723
21:12 Joubu          tcohen: https://github.com/Libriotech/koha-pluginstarter
20:28 jenkins        Project Koha_Master_D8 build #47: SUCCESS in 35 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/47/
20:19 jenkins        Project Koha_Master_D9 build #553: SUCCESS in 25 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/553/
20:19 jenkins        Project Koha_Master_U18 build #41: SUCCESS in 29 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/41/
19:50 huginn`        News from kohagit: Bug 19469: Add ability to split view of holds view on record by pickup library and... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=42c94d185ab44c075073dd08762c4bb71df77b16>
19:50 huginn`        News from kohagit: Bug 19469: Clean up template whitespace <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=18d85cc8d72b55880e88c5364a3819965c8a2831>
19:50 huginn`        News from kohagit: Bug 19469: (follow-up) Use patron-title.inc as proposed by bug 18403 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=51a769bb59efe1b4511805734d2ef73b8fbbac81>
19:50 huginn`        News from kohagit: Bug 19469: Remove use of Dumper on request.tt <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fac3944aa1c6c0c43e5ceac77fe1d163b22bf3e2>
19:50 huginn`        News from kohagit: Bug 19469: (QA follow-up) Use hold item's itemtype if available, fix priority changing <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=765c28c8e3a7e11afac1a061ebd296f18f3ef8a5>
19:50 huginn`        News from kohagit: Bug 19469: (QA follow-up) When altering priorities, use the existing priority numbers... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5ef7f04f58dd470b85988b866a2e608256904da8>
19:50 huginn`        News from kohagit: Bug 13779: sessionID declared twice in C4::Auth::checkauth() <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=331af8521b5fba4b5553c182888a4017b2ce9c3a>
19:50 huginn`        News from kohagit: Bug 21127: Remove jqTransform jQuery plugin from the OPAC <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=83e515820abb6e2fa8ddf30f61b3f4972a48ed10>
19:50 huginn`        News from kohagit: Bug 21233: Unit tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5d2ef635627fd35f721c086e7b6491a7e82b958a>
19:50 huginn`        News from kohagit: Bug 21233: Add Koha::Exceptions::Password <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0c4460c2fbb6fb678381921911d9030419cc9700>
19:50 huginn`        News from kohagit: Bug 21248: Fix COinS carp in MARC details page on unknown record <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=030047da428521c248868e3ee5d655afd3bed05b>
19:50 huginn`        News from kohagit: Bug 21233: (QA follow-up) We do not like the plural form of whitespace <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4e8d22a51bf707d3e160a87a125bd8d8f9eb04e6>
19:50 huginn`        News from kohagit: Bug 21293: Display of housebound delivery information broken by Bug 13618 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c427952783776bd9e6f79ee3860f968bea5b82a9>
19:50 huginn`        News from kohagit: Bug 21293: Remove another misplaced html filter on housebound.tt <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=293e84d38dd25ae5bd08c2cdd5ce064f4201a79c>
19:50 huginn`        News from kohagit: Bug 13779: (QA follow-up) Correct checkauth call in offline_circ/download.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=bf7082f854a1db9eb5b7eb77e5f450d018d8e07b>
19:50 huginn`        News from kohagit: Bug 21324: Fix column defs and spans <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=68138b225807a857ddbddef7680c43f2b10de87e>
19:50 huginn`        News from kohagit: Bug 19469: (RM follow-up) Add filters and fix variable name <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b8104d8882790b45c1d3b65386bd37ed1cc671d7>
19:49 huginn`        News from kohagit: Bug 19469: (QA follow-up) Disable priority pulldowns when using split holds queue <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=59b78fd095ecf7db88f339cc2f03d923b095130d>
19:49 huginn`        News from kohagit: Bug 19469: DBRev 18.06.028 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5acdbb1d2dcb0bd2719f88aa6905c2cf91fab1db>
19:49 huginn`        News from kohagit: Bug 21233: (QA follow-up) It is not only trailing whitespace characters <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cf3dbedae75b19ffd649725dddce212b63738582>
19:33 wahanui        fridolin: bugger all, i dunno
19:33 fridolin       wahanui: how are u ?
19:31 mtompset       Have a great day, #koha paxed
19:31 mtompset       No promises.
19:31 mtompset       paxed, that bug is ugly... I may look at it later.
19:28 SoniaB         kohacon people, are some of you intersted in having a look to Portland University Library. I think, I'll go near 4:30 PM, with my Koha Tshirt to make some adverstising ;)
19:22 * paxed        zaps a wand of teleportation at himself
19:19 huginn`        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11175 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, pasi.kallinen, Needs Signoff , Show the parent record's component parts in the detailed views.
19:19 paxed          mtompset: but i'd be really happy if bug 11175 got in...
19:18 paxed          s/cataloguers/acq ppl/ i guess, although in this case it was the same person ...
19:17 paxed          mtompset: yup. but our cataloguers were tearing their hair out with how slow it was - waiting a minute for a page load... now it's just a second or two
19:14 mtompset       Because the patch doesn't require actually testing acquisitions, but rather does it upgrade and does it create the index key. :)
19:13 mtompset       paxed, workflow testing is a pain. That patch was easy to test. :)
19:06 paxed          and i cba right now, it's friday evening ;)
19:05 paxed          mtompset: ah. thanks :) (although that one doesn't solve the real problem - i can't recall if i submitted the bug and fix for the actual acq workflow slowness)
19:05 ashimema       And.. thankyou for the cookies 😁
19:04 ashimema       Ooh, thanks for the reminder in 19469.. it is indeed on my list but was one I'd forgotten about..
19:03 mtompset       Thought you might appreciate that. :)
19:02 huginn`        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21288 minor, P5 - low, ---, pasi.kallinen, Signed Off , Slowness in acquisition caused by GetInvoices
19:02 mtompset       Bug 21288 :)
19:02 paxed          mtompset: yes?
19:02 huginn`        mtompset: paxed was last seen in #koha 3 days, 12 hours, 58 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: <paxed> tcohen: ah. i don't use the devbox, so i was guesstimating from vague memory
19:02 mtompset       @seen paxed
18:45 * fridolin     brown hat ;)
18:21 huginn`        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19469 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , Add ability to split view of holds view on record by pickup library and/or itemtype
18:21 andreashm      ashimema: don't forget bug 19469!
18:21 andreashm      I should have sent cookies too. =)
18:20 caroline_      ashimema: I sent a box of cookies back with Andrew, Janet and Jonathan, it should make its way back to you :)
18:13 huginn`        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18887 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Introduce new table 'circulation_rules', use for 'max_holds' rules
18:13 mtompset       I'll be doing a system upgrade tonight, I suppose if bug 18887 is still around by then, I might look at it. :)
18:04 mtompset       Have fun, ashimema.
18:04 mtompset       Yep, time difference is a killer.
18:01 ashimema       On that note, have fun hackfest people.. I'm cracking to pen the beer and cooking tea now.
18:00 ashimema       Mmm, the time difference is a killer.. I was clocking off and busy with family time as the conference lot came online most days this week.. stuck unable to really contribute much again tonight too
17:47 * mtompset     sighs.
17:47 mtompset       And the likelihood that I'm going to be around for a discussion with my colleagues is dropping. It's 1:46pm here, and I leave at 3:30pm.
17:42 kidclamp       shortcut to trello
17:42 kidclamp       tiny.cc/hackfest2018
17:40 caroline_      Hackfest ppl : Documentation workshop this afternoon at 2pm, seek me out
17:36 mtompset       SoniaB++ # for adding me to trello. :)
17:35 mtompset       Thank you, SoniaB. :)
17:32 mtompset       rangi++ # for signing off that blocker. :)
17:27 SoniaB         if someone needs to be add to the trello, email me : sonia.bouis@univ-lyon3.fr
17:21 mtompset       kidclamp, I'm logged in, but can't.
17:21 kidclamp       https://trello.com/b/8EZBrFYR/kohacon18-hackfest
17:20 mtompset       How do I add things to the "Needs" column?
17:17 cait2          https://trello.com/b/8EZBrFYR/kohacon18-hackfest
17:12 mtompset       Greetings, kidclamp
17:10 cait2          hi mtompset :)
17:09 huginn`        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16690 major, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Remote DB installation is less secure.
17:09 mtompset       Might I request bug 16690 and 17237 be added?
17:07 SoniaB         joubu : I'm gonna test it
17:06 SoniaB         joubu: I found the fist one wich block the others : Bug 18887- Introduce new table 'circulation_rules', use for 'max_holds' rules
17:05 mtompset       (may have doubled greeted, but hey, that never hurts)
17:05 mtompset       Greetings, Joubu rangi cait2 bag SoniaB
17:03 cait2          rangi++
17:03 cait2          at the momen it doesn't apply because of the filters in the templates, but maybe don't rebase until needed?
17:03 rangi          ive started the scoreboard up again
17:02 cait2          Joubu: i put the splitting callnumbers one on the board
17:02 Joubu          The orange boxes
17:02 Joubu          https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/showdependencygraph.cgi?id=15522
17:02 Joubu          SoniaB:
17:02 Joubu          SoniaB: you should open the dependency tree and test blocking bugs
17:01 huginn`        Bug 15522: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, BLOCKED , New interface for revamped circulation rules
17:01 SoniaB         is there any devs who want to work on the circulation rules reorganising : https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15522 ?
16:58 bag            sb1.sandboxes.bywatersolutions.com
16:54 mtompset       I was hoping to see my colleagues online shortly. Turns out they made it to the KohaCon. :)
16:52 huginn`        Joubu: The operation succeeded.
16:52 Joubu          @later tell kidclamp we should also bring some people here (irc)
16:51 tcohen         we don't support GRS-1 mode as it is abandoned a lot of years already by indexdata
16:51 mtompset       Right... but they might be handy when someone decides to index another way... or is zebra dead, and we are moving to elasticsearch only eventually?
16:50 SoniaB         morning
16:50 huginn`        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14302 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, RESOLVED FIXED, Remove GRS1 indexing related code
16:50 tcohen         mtompset: as part of bug 14302
16:50 tcohen         morning bag
16:50 bag            good morning from the hackfest
16:49 mtompset       why not just leave them as dom?
16:49 mtompset       Though, why did you remove the indexing mode entries?
16:49 mtompset       tcohen, Nope... all is fixed.
16:44 SoniaB         here is a trello to follow the tests : https://trello.com/b/8EZBrFYR/kohacon18-hackfest
16:43 mtompset       Because that reset hard looks like it did the job.
16:43 mtompset       Let me check for the OTHER issues....
16:43 tcohen         is the 'publicserver' one
16:43 tcohen         the only __START that's in there
16:42 tcohen         git fetch ; git reset —hard origin/master
16:41 mtompset       nope... the __START_... stuff is still there.
16:40 tcohen         I could've missed something
16:40 mtompset       ah... git remote update -p triggered something... let me see....
16:40 tcohen         what problem do you see in the template file?
16:39 mtompset       though, I hacked the config file directly.
16:38 mtompset       tcohen, already did that.
16:38 tcohen         hola SoniaB
16:38 SoniaB         hello!
16:38 tcohen         git remote set-url origin gitlab…
16:38 huginn`        Joubu: The operation succeeded.
16:38 Joubu          @later tell kidclamp and maybe we could fix few quickly
16:38 tcohen         have you
16:38 tcohen         bummer
16:37 tcohen         ah
16:37 tcohen         what problem?
16:37 huginn`        Joubu: The operation succeeded.
16:37 Joubu          @later tell kidclamp idea for later today or tomorrow: librarians should think about bugs driving their nuts all day long
16:37 mtompset       That one still has the problem.
16:37 tcohen         roles/kohadevbox/templates/koha-conf...
16:36 tcohen         and reprovision
16:36 tcohen         you can koha-remove kohadev
16:36 mtompset       what template file... just to check.
16:36 tcohen         if the instance exists, then it is not re-created
16:36 tcohen         the only thing to keep in mind is that
16:36 tcohen         mtompset: the template file should be up to date if you provision a new box, or reprovision
16:35 * mtompset     grins.
16:35 tcohen         do we know you Joubu?
16:35 mtompset       it says it's already up to date.
16:35 Joubu          Hi from Portland
16:34 tcohen         mtompset: git pull on kohadevbox
16:34 ashimema       evil clone :P
16:33 ashimema       cait2.. I want cait back
16:31 mtompset       The reason I ask about when is because I did a vagrant up xenial yesterday, and the config file still had the same problems.
16:23 huginn`        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20777 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Remove unused field accountlines.dispute
16:23 mtompset       BTW, I love the column_exists check you have on your atomic update for bug 20777
16:22 mtompset       When did you push it?
16:20 tcohen         but it would be great to get rid of the template
16:20 tcohen         I put it in sync
16:19 tcohen         kohadevbox incorrectly uses a template one that gets outdated easily
16:19 tcohen         mtompset: I pushed a fix for that already
16:16 mtompset       but somewhere in the packaging, I think the koha-conf.xml file is grabbing from the wrong thing and not substituting.
16:15 huginn`        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14302 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, RESOLVED FIXED, Remove GRS1 indexing related code
16:15 mtompset       things that were being replaced are no longer, because of bug 14302
16:15 mtompset       I was noticing there is a huge difference between etc/koha-conf.xml and debian/template/koha-conf.xml.in
16:14 mtompset       BTW, tcohen... I helped CrispyBran through his koha-conf.xml issues with the devbox last night.
16:13 mtompset       Oh that one. :)
16:13 tcohen         dispute
16:12 huginn`        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19465 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Patch doesn't apply , Allow choosing Elasticsearch server on instance creation
16:12 mtompset       bug 19465?
16:12 mtompset       which catch?
16:11 tcohen         good catch, mtompset
16:11 mtompset       Greetings, tcohen!
16:11 mtompset       CrispyBran, started tracing the problem in the koha-conf.xml
16:11 tcohen         morning!
16:01 mtompset       Greetings, cait2?
15:44 mtompset       CrispyBran ^^
15:44 pastebot       "mtompset" at pasted "Do these look like the things we fixed last night, CrispyBran?" (8 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/71
15:39 mtompset       Greetings, cait
15:37 mtompset       Hopefully you got more sleep than I, CrispyBran. :)
15:36 mtompset       Greetings, CrispyBran oleonard
15:32 oleonard       Hi #koha
15:28 CrispyBran     Good morning #koha and HackFest!
15:13 reiveune       bye
14:57 huginn`        mtompset: tcohen was last seen in #koha 1 day, 16 hours, 38 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <tcohen> ere: can you give me a pointer to your API docs?
14:57 mtompset       @seen tcohen
14:41 huginn`        mtompset: LeeJ was last seen in #koha 1 week, 2 days, 16 hours, 53 minutes, and 50 seconds ago: <LeeJ> have a good night all..back to work!
14:41 mtompset       @seen LeeJ
14:41 mtompset       By the way, does anyone know how to confirm xml doc changes?
14:32 tuxayo         <_oftc_mtomps "Hey, tuxayo! Have a sign off. ;)"> mtompset: thanks! ❤
14:27 huginn`        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20915 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, victor.grousset, Signed Off , Use date --iso-8601 instead of date +%Y-%m-%d to be more readable and crontab friendly
14:27 mtompset       Hey, tuxayo! Have a sign off. ;) bug 20915
14:13 mtompset       I can't sign off, because I submitted a patch on it.
14:13 huginn`        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21281 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Label Template - Creation not working
14:13 mtompset       bug 21281 -- it's a blocker, and it isn't hard to test.
14:13 mtompset       Anyone want an "easy" sign off?
14:10 huginn`        mtompset: Joubu was last seen in #koha 1 day, 15 hours, 2 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: <Joubu> yes
14:10 mtompset       @seen Joubu
13:45 magnuse        mtompset++ for trying :-)
13:45 mtompset       Not a problem. Just thought I'd mention it. :)
13:41 magnuse        sorry, i'm running late with setting up a prod instance for a customer...
13:41 mtompset       Then we can finally be rid of the '%' cases.
13:40 huginn`        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17237 minor, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Stop koha-create from creating MySQL users without host restriction
13:40 mtompset       Because then you could also sign off bug 17237
13:40 huginn`        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16690 major, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Remote DB installation is less secure.
13:40 mtompset       Could you sign off bug 16690?
13:39 mtompset       magnuse!
13:39 Freddy_Enrique how are things going?
13:38 Freddy_Enrique Hi all!
13:30 ashimema       floating point and rounding fun scares me.. that bug is one i've dipped into a few times now and always come back out the other end screaming
13:30 ashimema       though.. the rounding errors bug does sort of 'go there'.. which is scary
13:30 ashimema       oh god, that would have been aweful!
13:28 tuxayo         ashimema oh good thing these thing were only limited to these niches and we never had to deal with these.
13:28 tuxayo         > Similarly, in the UK, the prices of government securities continued to be quoted in multiples of ​1⁄32 of a pound (​7 1⁄2 d or ​3 1⁄8 p) long after the currency was decimalised.
13:28 tuxayo         > stock exchanges in the United States used eighths or sixteenths of dollars, until converting to decimals between September 2000 and April 2001.[14]
13:25 tuxayo         magnuse++
13:25 magnuse        may the hackfest Fix All The Things!
13:17 ashimema       hehe
13:16 tuxayo         And trying to throw some important and complicated bugzillas hard enough so that they will fall in Portland.
13:16 tuxayo         mtompset missing the fun too ^^"
13:14 tuxayo         Definitely, we talked a lot about that issue during the last hacking
13:14 tuxayo         > lets see what cait says.. I'll bug her this afternoon when they're all at hackfest ;)
13:11 ashimema       missing the fun :'(
13:11 mtompset       Greetings, ashimema
13:11 mtompset       Are you two at KohaCon? Or are you missing the fun too?
13:09 ashimema       cheers.. I was hoping that was the case
13:09 mtompset       Greetings, tuxayo
13:09 huginn`        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18723 critical, P5 - low, ---, victor.grousset, BLOCKED , Dot not recognized as decimal separator
13:09 tuxayo         I think I had to convince someone to not change too much pages at once to keep the bugzilla not too big. The follow up will be bug 18723
13:09 tuxayo         ashimema: The idea is to have a consistent behavior in the whole program. To not be confusing.
13:09 tuxayo         > we're only talking accounts right now aren't we
13:09 tuxayo         o/ mtompset:
13:08 mtompset       Greetings again, #koha. Silly network.
13:06 ashimema       lets wait for their response.. I'm happy to back down.. just need a little more pursuading and qa people ;)
13:05 ashimema       hense my asking cait.. she has a bunch of people in the room to ask ;)
13:05 ashimema       mmm
13:05 tuxayo         Or maybe from someone else in Koha? I'm not sure about that usecase
13:05 ashimema       ack.. but we're only talking accounts right now aren't we.. fines etc
13:04 tuxayo         In acquisition when copy from another software, an invoice email, a PDF
13:04 tuxayo         > when are people pasting :(
13:04 ashimema       mwah.. my brain hurts ;)
13:04 ashimema       we could just do the three end to end and we'd still be in a better place
13:03 ashimema       well right now.. with the CurrencyFormat we are hard coded to three.. FR, US, CH
13:03 tuxayo         😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱
13:03 tuxayo         > I'm envisioning a configurable mask.. one per currency
13:02 ashimema       when are people pasting :(
13:02 ashimema       grr
13:02 ashimema       but yeah.. the whole number, no decimal bit on paste is still a fail
13:01 ashimema       I'm envisioning a configurable mask.. one per currency
13:00 tuxayo         🎉🎈💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥
13:00 tuxayo         And the currencies without a decimal part and the currencies with three decimal parts.
13:00 tuxayo         It could make the mask solution works with pasting. (if the pasted number has always two decimals) But then there are the cases when one just want to input a round number without a decimal part.
13:00 tuxayo         > just scrubbing out non numerics could still work
12:53 ashimema       lets see what cait says.. I'll bug her this afternoon when they're all at hackfest ;)
12:53 ashimema       lol.. sounds like we're on the same line here.. only you've already exhausted all the options
12:52 ashimema       but again.. I've not witnessed that usage myself.. and actually.. just scrubbing out non numerics could still work
12:52 huginn`        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12310 major, P5 - low, ---, victor.grousset, Failed QA , Decimal separators issues in patrons payments/fines
12:52 tuxayo         That happened like five times during the hackfest when I though I had found the solution. I really didn't want to go with the solution in bug 12310
12:52 ashimema       mm, pasting is a hard one
12:51 tuxayo         And then the pasting case comes and ruins the party :(
12:51 tuxayo         > the mask would input the ,.£$GBP USD etc for you.
12:51 tuxayo         ashimema A french library could for have one or many computers with a french keyboard but an english locale. So "." in the numpad wouldn't input ","
12:48 ashimema       time is always a factor :'(
12:48 ashimema       the mask would input the ,.£$GBP USD etc for you.
12:48 ashimema       what I'd like to see is only digits being able to be input.. that way you don't have to worry about allowing any other stray chars which may creep in because of keyboard mappings..
12:47 ashimema       not sure I understood that last one
12:45 tuxayo         Or just having on or many compters in english because a bug or "historical reasons"
12:45 tuxayo         «same library wanting to be able to use differing input styles»
12:45 ashimema       fair enough
12:44 * tuxayo       sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/kLXFxrsmBQsMfwJKCyjtmZWc >
12:44 tuxayo         That's what I tried to push most of the time during the last hackfest. Until accepting that it should be a requierement. ^^"
12:44 tuxayo         > mmm, but I don't think it's reasonable for users to expect the computer to guess which format they're using.. we should rather be encouraging/enforcing the right format is used by the user.
12:44 tuxayo         Considering how complicated the problem is and that a perfect solution will take year to get enough resources and get into master.
12:44 tuxayo         I can't in a reasonable time put up a great UX + handle most cases. That might be better to refine out decimal number handling in various steps.
12:44 tuxayo         ashimema I'm focusing on getting rid of x100 or /100 of the amounts + decimal part truncation.
12:39 mtompset       Greetings, #koha
12:30 * ashimema     us brits have it easy ;)
12:29 ashimema       like a library in Limburg area of holland perhaps.. where you're only a stones throw away from germany, france and belgium
12:28 ashimema       I presume it's for libraries near international borders mostly?
12:27 ashimema       I must admit.. i've not really had to deal with multiple users in the same library wanting to be able to use differing input styles.. it seems like a really strange requirement to me.
12:27 ashimema       I think that's probably the best approach
12:27 ashimema       there are 'nice' ways to apply masks.. one's that keep the user informed
12:26 ashimema       but I nearly always push for 'correct' rather than 'easy on the user'.. the users won't be so easy on the computer when the math is all wrong ;)
12:25 ashimema       perhaps I'm over simplifying
12:25 ashimema       mmm, but I don't think it's reasonable for users to expect the computer to guess which format they're using.. we should rather be encouraging/enforcing the right format is used by the user.
12:24 tuxayo         But yes coercing isn't great
12:24 tuxayo         ashimema: here we have the functionnal constraint on accepting various format on the same instance.
12:24 tuxayo         > my general feeling comes down to "We should be validating this input and ensuring it's of the right form rather than coercing various forms".. It's really important the user and computer agree on what's been input.
12:23 * ashimema     roles up his sleaves and gets back to what he was meant to be doing this morning.. oops ;)
12:20 huginn`        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15395 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , Internationalization: plural forms, context, and more
12:20 tuxayo         ashimema: It's not that bad. We have bug 15395 :P
12:20 tuxayo         > this one's been round the houses allot already
12:17 ashimema       indeed.. though I know exactly what it feels like having a patch pushed back on over and over.. this one's been round the houses allot already
12:15 tuxayo         ashimema: «feeling really guilty and mean» You should not if your concerns are real. It's moves the bug forward because most of the wait was for input from someone else.
12:14 ashimema       I have asked cait in a PM to raise it during their hackfest fun today though..
12:13 ashimema       my general feeling comes down to "We should be validating this input and ensuring it's of the right form rather than coercing various forms".. It's really important the user and computer agree on what's been input.
12:11 * ashimema     is feeling really guilty and mean
12:11 ashimema       sorry it's not more positive :(
12:11 tuxayo         ashimema thanks for your feedback I'll respond in the bugzilla
12:08 * tuxayo       sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/xsMXqBCdTdvJoryMxcnxyTRZ >
10:50 ashimema       I'm inclined to agree with marcelr at the moment really.. I really don't like that the user can input one thing then later be displayed something entirely different because of the two distinct system preferences.
10:47 ashimema       anoyther surprise to me that people paste this stuff
10:45 ashimema       https://www.w3schools.com/Tags/att_input_pattern.asp
10:44 ashimema       i.e. the html5 `pattern` attribute?
10:44 ashimema       can we use input masks perhaps?
10:44 ashimema       ok
10:44 ashimema       ack.. pasting
10:40 tuxayo         And libraries with international personel that might have their habbits
10:40 tuxayo         The case where Koha instances used with computer with not the same locale setting (and the same char outputed from the ,/. on the numpad)
10:40 tuxayo         > that really surprises me
10:40 tuxayo         > requireing multiple values
10:37 tuxayo         We might not want to start considering the location right?
10:37 tuxayo         "where" → "what" right?
10:37 tuxayo         > where the syspref we expose is a 'template' for what monetary values should look like including locations of decimal and thausand separators and what they are.
10:31 tuxayo         On needs also to be able to paste a value. I'm not sure that's compatible with this aproach
10:31 tuxayo         > something akin to how you enter amounts in 'other amount' on the 'Presets' example here: http://uipatterns.io/currency-input/presets would be my prefered aproach
10:31 tuxayo         ashimema
10:26 ashimema       and.. I don't have the time to submit a better proposal so I think I'll go ahead and pass it...
10:25 ashimema       hmm.. so much as I think there's a nicer solution out there I don't think there's anything to fail the patch over here..
09:48 tuxayo         During the last hackfest after talking to enough devs and librarians, I couldn't not put that in the requirements :(
09:48 tuxayo         ashimema «is there a precident for requireing multiple values?»
09:16 tuxayo         The defaut value«,.» is a multiple value
09:15 tuxayo         Isn't that the only solution to handle multiple values?
09:13 tuxayo         Could the syspref help text be changed in any way to help?
09:13 tuxayo         ashimema you can have both separators. But then, dont use one of them to be a thousands separators
08:23 tuxayo         thanks ^^
08:21 tuxayo         ashimema: I'm trying to only reupload the modified patch. But it seems that some errors went through.
08:20 tuxayo         thanks a lot ashimema!
08:18 ashimema       on bugzilla
08:18 ashimema       s/commits/patches/
08:17 ashimema       as a general rule.. try to re-upload all the patches when you add followups.. it's easy to rebase and forget you've done so before uploading the followups.. I tihnk that's what happened here looking at the dates on the commits.
08:17 ashimema       required the manual application of the patch in question using `patch -p1 < /tmp/patchfile.patch` followed by a manual merge fix for the bad hunks and a bz apply --continue
08:16 ashimema       OK.. think I sorted it for you
08:05 ashimema       try rebasing it on master and re-uploading the patches (there are some minor requirements in the rebase.. just a few additions of the `| html` filter in a few places ;)
08:05 ashimema       do you still have a branch with all the patches as a set?
08:04 ashimema       it's a rebasing issue possibly
08:03 ashimema       really odd
08:03 ashimema       so.. it's a sha1 issue
08:02 * ashimema     sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/tUpaHJHNdHrjWjIkLVWWQTFp >
08:02 ashimema       ah.. no.. I did entirely misread it
08:01 ashimema       nice use of koala's in the test plan btw ;)
07:59 ashimema       I'll try again.. perhaps I mis-read git-bz or something
07:59 ashimema       odd.. just checked the files manually and the spelling it out
07:59 tuxayo         ashimema, hum strange, I'll check that
07:58 ashimema       wonder if you've fixed it already in a prior patch during a rebase at some point
07:58 ashimema       tuxayo, when I bz  applied I found the patch `Fix typo: unformating => unformatting` didn't need to be applied.. or rather git bz claimed it didn't change anything to I skipped it
07:53 ashimema       there's just too many bugs to keep up with ;)
07:48 ashimema       I'll need to get myself up to speed on how those two already work
07:48 ashimema       ooh.. I remember.. yeah.. I had the same funny feeling about CurrencyFormat and DecimalSeparators..
07:47 marcelr        ashimema++
07:47 ashimema       I'll get myself back up to speed on it this morning
07:47 ashimema       oh.. that one hasn't made it to my list.. but I do remember having a very brief look already
07:46 huginn`        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12310 major, P5 - low, ---, victor.grousset, Failed QA , Decimal separators issues in patrons payments/fines
07:46 tuxayo         ashimema bug 12310
07:45 ashimema       it may already be on my list, but I could bump it up a bit today..
07:45 ashimema       which currency one marcelr
07:40 tuxayo         marcelr: thanks for your help :)
07:39 marcelr        tuxayo: i asked for other qaers and katrin too, but nobody had time apparently sofar
07:21 tuxayo         *window
07:21 tuxayo         marcelr: it's been since end fo august that I want to take the time to address everything. And I still can't get rid of enough other bad problems to solve before getting to this one. So I'm worried to miss the 18.11 windows
07:05 marcelr        still no response on the currency formats?
07:04 tuxayo         hi marcelr ! o/
07:04 marcelr        o/
07:04 tuxayo         hi #koha o/
07:02 marcelr        hi #koha
06:34 reiveune       hello
06:25 alex_a         bonjour
04:20 mtompset       Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha CrispyBran wizzyrea
02:20 wizzyrea       more "make this fancy thing do a dance on my whatever page"
02:19 wizzyrea       naw, we always at least try to get new functionality in
02:14 mtompset       because rebasing is a female dog in heat!
02:14 mtompset       Hopefully not actual full-blown new functionality.
02:14 wizzyrea       yeah stuff that is special to that library, and not generalisable
02:13 mtompset       Plugins? Reports?
02:13 mtompset       That sucks.
02:13 mtompset       can't go upstream? :(
02:13 wizzyrea       stuff that can't go upstream :(
02:12 wizzyrea       mostly client work really
02:12 wizzyrea       hm.
02:12 mtompset       Thank you. What fun stuff have you been working on lately?
01:59 wizzyrea       thank you I hope you can avoid the worst of it this winter
01:41 mtompset       (the get sick when I don't want to, and it cycles because ear throat and nose just had to be connected, arg)
01:40 mtompset       It's fall here, and it's started up for me too.
01:40 mtompset       Hope you feel better with the flu/cold thing.
01:39 mtompset       Guess I'm not as loveable as I hoped. :)
01:39 mtompset       But a heads up would have been nice. :)
01:39 wizzyrea       ah right
01:39 mtompset       So, I don't really have regular meetings and the like with them.
01:38 mtompset       wizzyrea, well, we are remote.
01:38 wizzyrea       oh neat
01:38 huginn`        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14385 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Extend OpacHiddenItems to allow specifying exempt borrower categories
01:38 wizzyrea       awkward
01:38 mtompset       Going to be skyping about bug 14385, etc.
01:38 mtompset       I need to be awake and chipper for tomorrow. My colleagues went to KohaCon without telling me. :P
01:37 wizzyrea       no, family obligations :(
01:37 wizzyrea       was actually non-functional for a week and some change, mostly functional this week but still holding my own sort of hack fest.
01:37 mtompset       You didn't go to KohaCon?
01:37 wizzyrea       early spring flu/cold thing it's pants.
01:36 wizzyrea       oy yes :)
01:36 mtompset       Greetings, wizzyrea. You still coughing now? :)
01:36 huginn`        mtompset: CrispyBran was last seen in #koha 7 hours, 49 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <CrispyBran> I've been a pest to tcohen lately.  Trying to get zebra fixed in kohadevbox.  Anyone have ideas?  We tried creating a new instance and copying the koha-conf.xml file and updating the info, but no luck.
01:36 mtompset       @seen CrispyBran