Time Nick Message 20:17 cait yep, thx!! 20:14 andreashm sent you an e-mail earlier. 20:14 andreashm hi cait! 20:12 cait cya in Portland, rangi 20:11 andreashm yup, look forward to meeting irl 20:11 andreashm best of luck! 20:11 rangi see you in the USA in a few days 20:10 rangi ok, i gotta go teach a class on SQL 20:10 rangi heh 20:10 * andreashm remembers it fondly 20:10 andreashm yeah, that was a crazy piece of writing 20:10 rangi was aimed more at OLE than Koha but still 20:10 rangi andreashm: thats right was the VP at SirsiDynix, wrote that big whitepaper on how it was indirectly funding terrorism and other ridiculous claims 20:09 andreashm (stephen abrams) 20:09 andreashm rangi: was that the dude who dissed open source? 20:08 caroline_ to describe a new set of products that were being developed that promised to take a much different approach to library resource management than the incumbent integrated library systems." 20:08 caroline_ Ah! It's all this guy Marshall Breeding's fault : "I coined the term library services platform in 2011 20:08 rangi yup :) 20:08 andreashm rangi: we do. and even built a service layer to handle the api calls. so def an lsp. or so I'll claim! =) 20:08 rangi now that stephen abrams is gone 20:07 andreashm rangi: yeah, Sirsi does some good stuff here and there. after all. =) 20:07 rangi andreashm: if you have koha + something else hosted then yeah you could totally call it an LSP i reckon 20:07 rangi which we should hear about next week in one of the talks I think 20:07 * andreashm should put some marketing buzz-words into my presentation. claim we have an LSP perhaps? 20:07 rangi to their credit they even funded some dev on Coral 20:06 rangi andreashm: thats right 20:06 rangi words actually have no meaning in marketing hehehe 20:06 andreashm with some other systems/modules added probably. Sirsi has Coral as the ERM for Blue cloud I think? 20:06 rangi so yeah they will even co opt open to refer to proprietary software 20:05 rangi The BLUEcloud LSP is a truly open system, powered by Web Services that can extend almost anywhere. With this flexible architecture, vendors and customers alike can develop integrations and solutions quickly, giving you the most options for your library system. 20:05 rangi sirsi also say this too 20:05 andreashm I would think you need to offer something like SaaS to make claims of a LSP. Something "in the cloud" as rangi says 20:05 rangi afaict its symphony hosted with some other stuff 20:04 caroline_ Sirsi are not marketing Symphony as an LSP though 20:04 rangi marketing is fun 20:04 rangi :) 20:03 rangi EBSCO have FOLIO, so now thats an LSP 20:03 rangi but thats cos thats what sirsidynix have to offer, so thats an LSP 20:03 caroline_ I know! We should totally market it as an LSP 20:03 caroline_ "The BLUEcloud LSP is the future of library software. It brings the power of contemporary cloud computing to Horizon and Symphony and avoids the costs of a system migration" 20:03 rangi yeah which koha has been since 1999 20:03 caroline_ From what I'm reading here http://www.sirsidynix.com/products/library-services-platform it seems to refer to web-based ILS 20:02 rangi but it is a good one to be aware of 20:02 andreashm yup 20:02 rangi thats how those 2 roll :) 20:02 rangi once EBSCO started using LSP, Proquest started too 20:02 andreashm heard 20:02 andreashm LMS I've hards used for Alma 20:01 rangi but also LSP talking about FOLIO, which potentially could be more than an ILS 20:01 rangi which is fully an ILS 20:01 rangi but now ive heard people say LSP when they are talking about ALMA 20:01 andreashm pff. semantics. =) 20:01 rangi but yeah it can be whatever you want it to be, in maybe 3 more years there will be an accepted definition 20:00 rangi andreashm: i'd say that nothing in that broader definition actually exists yet ;) 20:00 andreashm I would say that LSP is a broader definition than ILS 19:57 rangi yup 19:57 caroline_ But if it's the new buzzword, it's good to know it 19:56 caroline_ hehe! 19:56 rangi its just whoever your audience is, and what they want to hear :) 19:56 rangi not ILS 19:56 rangi often we say Library Management System 19:55 rangi yep 19:55 rangi and it would be equally valid 19:55 caroline_ ILS is too old school ;) 19:55 rangi for library services platform 19:55 rangi you could subsitute library system 19:55 rangi yeah 19:54 caroline_ I think this is one of the things they were referring to this morning : https://www.mcgill.ca/library/about/planning/new-library-services-platform 19:54 rangi cos you know the proprietary vendors will, an LSP will be whatever they have :) 19:53 rangi but really you can say it is whatever you feel like :) 19:53 rangi thats one definition yep 19:53 caroline_ ok so like a solution incorporating more than one software working in concert 19:52 rangi but like I say, its not a real term, its a marketing one 19:52 rangi you could say, its a platform 19:52 rangi now say you offered vufind, or eds with that 19:52 rangi exactly 19:52 caroline_ Because that's pretty much what we have here. We have maybe 4-5 servers each with 6-9 kohas running on them 19:51 rangi multiple databases in the back (or siloed data in another way in the case of FOLIO) 19:51 rangi one code base 19:51 caroline_ but just one koha? 19:51 rangi they dont even need to know the others are there 19:50 rangi that serves 5 different libraries, each separate 19:50 rangi think of a hosted koha, on a cluster of servers 19:49 caroline_ hosted multitenant system? In english? 19:49 rangi it could 19:49 caroline_ Does it have to do with discovery platforms? 19:49 rangi bascially it kinda boils down to a hosted multitenant system that provides library services 19:48 rangi you'll hear EBSCO for example talk about FOLIO as an LSP in one breath, and as an ILS in another 19:48 caroline_ hehehe! 19:48 rangi LSP = whatever whoever is selling it at the time decides it is 19:47 rangi like cloud = someone elses computers 19:47 rangi caroline_: its a marketing term 19:47 caroline_ Library tech. students asked me about it this morning. It is apparently the future of ILSs (?) 19:47 caroline_ Anybody know anything about LSPs? (Library Services Platform) 19:33 andreashm hi #koha 18:19 jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #45: UNSTABLE in 35 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/45/ 18:16 ashimema Oh noes .. UNSTABLE 18:10 jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #39: UNSTABLE in 30 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/39/ 18:04 oleonard Nice try jenkins kidclamp is long gone 18:04 jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #551: STILL UNSTABLE in 25 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/551/ 17:54 ashimema Lol 17:53 oleonard The number was 6. 17:53 oleonard ashimema: The number of irmas who were logged in at one time. 17:50 ashimema What's an Irma count 17:41 * oleonard is back (gone 00:31:47) 17:41 kidclamp and now I run away so jenkins has no one to yell at 17:39 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 7534: Validate pickup location in CanBook/ItemBeReserved <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ce411c186dd2a4e35a3b1855b86283522cc7bfd3> 17:39 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 7534: Check hold availability to desired pickup location in opac-reserve.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=69316c7b8b937972477ec0a19475f41baf08f6b6> 17:39 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 7534: Display pickup locations instead of all libraries in opac-reserve.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8d404ec2ccbff96f638baf2746010648de3ed007> 17:39 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 7534: Display pickup locations instead of all libraries in request.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d9ceb30a4d72cbaf387bba2fc550b7bad1609e8f> 17:39 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 7534: (QA follow-up) Default pickup location to Yes when adding a new library <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=24fc43b9780260069c7aa1a328209f373d57e1bf> 17:39 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 19817: Redirect to the online manual <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2e641b698e2c329f36e06cc8969e749bd13dff1a> 17:39 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 19817: Remove local help files + edit help feature <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=206ba82a46eff0d3b29ae6ed65bd3f3b0ef8bbde> 17:39 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 19817: Make the location of the manual configurable - KohaManualBaseURL <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d9a8ac0489d22fe174ea28af7f90f00a7ca15676> 17:39 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 19817: Move code to Koha::Manual to make it testable and reusable <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3bede9a9d79f2999a7176afad38f75ae283b4a5c> 17:39 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 19817: Add pref KohaManualLanguage <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5496dc7eeaf6ddbe5503dade970e95ed0f283b55> 17:39 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 19817: Open the manual in a new window, not a popup <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ac07a5074f3a77f1af691af40ce67facdcd43685> 17:39 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 19817: Use the language from the interface if valid <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=bfbc6cc941632269582891d63c58cea8b4fe668f> 17:39 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 19817: use https instead of http <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6739346e1b8f542f38852f49277ccfb150a5095c> 17:39 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 19817: (QA follow-up) Add German manual and fix system preference help files <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5616e22236e8c263da0629a25b3aa7146e19c866> 17:39 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 7534: Fix number of tests for Holds.t <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c556ad49b8a3e0d6112ebcc899a09723709e11de> 17:39 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 7534: Disambiguate branchcode parameter, make it match between subroutines <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3afbe3cf5d544572aa2febc1d745fb77c7f305e3> 17:39 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 19817: Remove numbering from chapter file names <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=87c2755c04c962dab69ac846ecdff0893d35b9df> 17:39 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 7534: (RM follow-up) Fix tests and adjust after bug 15524 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b40070f4ad58f921f6994b304618bb560d471586> 17:39 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 7534: (QA follow-up) Don't do pickup branch checking for determining holdability... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=de629e2a28f14cb3d64fd8a767b1bfe30d3d82de> 17:39 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 7534: DBRev 18.06.00.024 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f190ef3f2e7b7a03c3ca10086ed3a923b7c11bdb> 17:10 * oleonard is away: I'm busy 16:20 oleonard Wow our irma count has dropped by 83% today. 13:47 cait hm? 13:41 paxed oops. 13:41 paxed cait: /win 19 13:36 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17530 normal, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Failed QA , Don't show 'article request' link when no article requests are permitted 13:36 ashimema bug 17530 13:34 marcelr kidclamp: will have alook soon for 17530; thx 13:30 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21322 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , process_message_queue.pl --type should take an argument 13:30 magnuse easy peasy signoff: bug 21322 11:45 wahanui hi oleopard 11:45 calire hi oleonard 11:31 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20600 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, andrew.isherwood, Needs Signoff , Provide the ability for users to filter ILL requests 11:31 AndrewIsh oleonard: Just an FYI, that question I was asking yesterday about the strange use of api() in KohaTable. As I mentioned, I rebased Bug 20600, that I needed to use it with, but seems that the rebase was bad, despite it appearing to work. Anyway, I've rebased it properly this time! What's on BZ should now work :) 11:30 wahanui hi oleopard 11:30 AndrewIsh Hi oleonard 11:29 oleonard Hi all 10:59 jenkins Project Koha_18.05_D9 build #57: SUCCESS in 40 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.05_D9/57/ 10:42 jenkins Project Koha_18.05_U18 build #55: SUCCESS in 25 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.05_U18/55/ 10:37 jenkins Project Koha_18.05_D8 build #57: SUCCESS in 21 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.05_D8/57/ 09:55 ashimema thanks cait 09:54 cait hm not sure, but she is in canada 09:53 ashimema what timezone is caroline in? 08:05 * cait leaves very early on Saturday 07:30 andreashm oh, leaving early! 07:20 magnuse lucky Fridolin, Matts and Paul :-) 07:19 tuxayo \o 07:19 calire o/ 07:19 tuxayo o/ andreashm 07:18 tuxayo o/ cait 07:18 tuxayo So, Fridolin, Matts and Paul are on their way to the KohaCon! 07:18 * cait waves 07:17 tuxayo Hi #koha 07:08 * andreashm waves 07:03 magnuse \o/ 06:33 wahanui bidet, alex_a 06:33 alex_a bonjour 06:28 marcelr hi #koha 01:12 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha. 00:55 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20592 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , updateitem.pl causes database errors when empty non-public item notes updated 00:55 mtompset Wow. 20 weeks. Okay, if anyone wishes to sign off bug 20592, that would be nice. :) 00:16 huginn` mtompset: dcook was last seen in #koha 20 weeks, 1 day, 20 hours, 32 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <dcook> Oh also if someone wants a super easy pretty trivial sign off: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20592 00:16 mtompset @seen dcook