Time  Nick           Message
04:05 paxed          morning
04:05 wizzyrea       hi
04:06 paxed          @wunder joensuu
04:06 huginn         paxed: Joensuu, Finland :: Overcast :: 54F/12C | Monday: Periods of rain. Thunder possible. High 59F. Winds W at 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 90%. Monday Night: Cloudy early with some clearing expected late. Low around 45F. Winds NW at 10 to 15 mph.
04:06 wizzyrea       @wunder nzwn
04:06 huginn         wizzyrea: Wellington International, New Zealand :: Clear :: 55F/13C | Monday: Chance of showers. Lows overnight in the upper 40s. Monday Night: Considerable cloudiness with occasional rain showers. Low 48F. Winds NE at 15 to 25 mph. Chance of rain 60%.
04:06 paxed          had to put on long pants for biking, first time in a several months
04:07 wizzyrea       this is nice weather for winter here :)
06:34 padraic7a      Hi folks, I know about the koha dev box, but wondering if there is a more production targeted vagrant set up for cloud services like Digital Ocean or Aws?
06:38 reiveune       hello
06:45 calire         hi #koha
07:13 tuxayo         padraic7a: Maybe the Debian package is simple enough to install? (or to automate)
08:02 padraic7a      I can install the package ok. My problem when using the installation guide was after that. I though a vagrant file or ansible yaml might be clearer about what config info needs to go where.
08:43 * andreashm    waves
08:52 jenkins        Project Koha_18.05_D8 build #43: SUCCESS in 21 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.05_D8/43/
08:55 jenkins        Project Koha_18.05_D9 build #44: SUCCESS in 26 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.05_D9/44/
09:15 jenkins        Project Koha_18.05_U18 build #40: SUCCESS in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.05_U18/40/
09:15 ashimema       Good way to start the week :)
09:25 AndrewIsh      Anyone online who knows anything about koha-testing-docker ?
09:27 ashimema       tcohen is the only one really
09:27 ashimema       though I'm sure Joubu and khall have perifal knowledge too
09:27 ashimema       none of those are awake yet though ;(
09:28 AndrewIsh      OK
09:35 ashimema       magnuse++ #quickly responding to bz normarc queries
09:35 magnuse        ashimema++ for keeping an out for normarc :-)
09:36 ashimema       :)
09:48 magnuse        *an eye
10:02 * cait         waves
10:04 cait           ashimema++ thx for qa :)
10:04 ashimema       pleasure
10:05 cait           BugĀ 21211        - Add message details  - has no content in the bug report. .uk address, one of yours?
10:06 ashimema       erm.. don't think so..
10:06 ashimema       newcastle.. hmm
10:06 cait           biblio-biblioitems is 1:1 - db might not enforce it, but there is no way to have multipe
10:07 ashimema       fair enough.. we should really be enforcing it if it's expected
10:09 cait           magnuse: could we do normarc for xslt on a separate bug report?
10:09 cait           i am afraid this might get lost if it sits longer, it's changing a lot of lines in xslt (easy, but still)
10:11 ashimema       cait, shouldn't a normarc patch be simple enough to add though?
10:13 cait           just pondering the timeline
10:17 ashimema       looking at the UNIMARC patch, it's tiny
10:19 cait           ah cool
10:19 cait           so let's see if we can get an anwer from the developer :)
10:19 * ashimema     isn't sure why the UNIMARC patch is soo different though if he's honest
10:19 cait           magnuse: it's somehting we didn't right ever - url escaping
10:20 ashimema       I'm kinda wondering if the unimarc one doesn't go far enough
10:20 cait           unimarc xslt are not as complicated/big as marc21 i think
10:20 cait           not the standard ones
10:20 cait           i haven't tested unimarc, but had a unimarc person do it :) so can't tell
10:20 ashimema       mm.. but these only change the Utils files
10:20 ashimema       seems suspicious
10:21 ashimema       NORMARC is closed to MARC21 than UNIMARC I believe.
10:21 ashimema       s/closed/closer/
10:22 cait           yes
10:50 * andreashm    does the wave and small little after-lunch dance
11:42 magnuse        ashimema, cait: normarc is mostly a subset of marc21
11:48 oleonard       Hi #koha
11:49 calire         hi oleonard
11:54 kidclamp       hi oleopard
12:49 caroline_      good morning #koha!
12:49 oleonard       I caroline_
12:49 oleonard       I mean hi caroline_
12:49 caroline_      oleonard: thank you for checking Pierre-Luc's bug! :)
12:49 oleonard       (I'm not caroline_ )
12:50 oleonard       caroline_: Sure, I hope my comments make sense and are constructive
12:51 caroline_      oleonard: he said your comment was very detailed
12:59 cait           hi caroline_ :)
12:59 caroline_      hi cait !
12:59 cait           oleonard++
13:15 oleonard       Bug 10659 rebased. Just sayin'
13:15 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10659 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Upgrade jQuery star ratings plugin
13:24 tcohen         morning
13:24 caroline_      hi tcohen!
13:25 calire         hi tcohen
13:54 tcohen         hola calire
13:55 calire         o/
14:22 Veronica       send booking alerts to email in koha! what to do! .Thank you!
14:26 Veronica       send booking alerts to email in koha! what to do! .Thank you!
14:29 caroline_      :O jenkins left?
14:29 caroline_      ok phew!
14:29 eythian        I tell you, the bots are going for their uprising meetup
14:30 caroline_      wahanui is still not back either
14:33 oleonard       I called wahanui's mom's place and she said she hadn't seen him but I think I heard him in the background
14:33 cait           wahanui still missing :(
14:51 Freddy_Enrique Hola a todos!
14:51 Freddy_Enrique .....
14:51 caroline_      hi Freddy_Enrique!
14:52 Freddy_Enrique wait.... wasnt wahanui a bot??
14:52 Freddy_Enrique what happened to it?
14:54 oleonard       Freddy_Enrique: kidclamp said something that hurt wahanui's feelings and he's been sulking for weeks now
14:56 cait           not sure if liz is on vacation... we should try and catch her for a restart
14:56 Joubu          kidclamp: bug 21213 will add diag to Circulation.t in order to have more info on next failures (currently we have D9 failing because of that)
14:56 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21213 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Circulation.t needs diagnostics
14:57 kidclamp       I just gave him a botsnack, how was I to know wahanui had peanut allergies
14:59 reiveune       bye
15:00 Freddy_Enrique XD
15:01 Freddy_Enrique at least we have huginn....yet...
15:01 Joubu          (kidclamp: read "Can I get a quick push pleaaaaaase?")
15:01 * oleonard     pats huginn affectionately
15:02 ashimema       is that right Joubu... you've increased the test plan from 14 to 21 yet I only see one 'is' test adde
15:02 * ashimema     may be being thick and missing something though
15:02 Joubu          apply and read ;)
15:03 Joubu          it's in a sub
15:04 ashimema       ah.. I see
15:04 cait           hm maybe silly question
15:04 cait           PREDUE and PREDUDGST
15:04 cait           i always thought PREDUE was one item per email... or is it one library per email?
15:05 cait           ah nv - found an example in the db
15:05 cait           it's definitely one item each
15:05 * ashimema     really wishes splinter would give more context.. but of course it can't as it only has the patch to go on.
15:06 ashimema       if signoff/qa is holding kidclamp back I'm happy to sign it off now ;)
15:06 Veronica       reservation alerts to the email as activate it in koha, thanks
15:07 caroline_      Veronica: you have to enable EnhancedMessagingPreferences in system preferences
15:08 caroline_      Veronica: make sure in Tools > Notices & Slips you have a letter called HOLD
15:09 Veronica       SI
15:09 caroline_      Veronica: for each patron, go to their record and activate the letter in "Patron messaging preferences"
15:09 caroline_      Am I missing somthing?
15:09 Veronica       what steps should I do?
15:10 caroline_      Veronica: Did you check if the EnhancedMessagingPreferences was activated in Administration > System Preferences?
15:11 Veronica       If you already activate.
15:11 caroline_      Veronica: ok, do you have an email address in KohaAdminEmailAddress?
15:12 caroline_      Veronica: now go into Administration > Patron categories
15:12 Veronica       yes :)
15:13 caroline_      For each patron category, check "Hold filled" in Default messaging preferences for this patron category
15:14 caroline_      This will make sure that all new patrons will have the reservation emails
15:15 caroline_      For the patrons yu already have, you can go in the record and edit the part "Patron messaging preferences" and check the "hold filled" box
15:15 Veronica       Thank you very much
15:15 caroline_      Now try to make a reservation and confirm it to make sure you receive the email
15:18 Veronica       I will try to make the reservation, thank you very much
15:18 kidclamp       yes, will push asap, in a meeting atm
15:18 caroline_      Veronica: no problem! :)
15:33 Freddy_Enrique caroline++
15:38 tcohen         Veronica: once you enable the EnhancedMessagingPreferencese, there might be still the need to set those for each patron
15:38 tcohen         i.e. rules are configured globally, but the existing patrons don't have them chosen
15:39 cait           caroline++
16:44 cait           Joubu: around?
16:48 Joubu          yep
16:49 cait           your comment on the accountlines bug
16:49 cait           bug 21065
16:49 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21065 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Data in account_offsets and accountlines is deleted with the patron leaving gaps in financial reports
16:49 cait           was that the suggested solution or did i miss something? :)
16:52 Joubu          ho I did not see it, I thought it was the current table structure
16:52 cait           ok, now more confused
16:52 cait           isn't the set null only for items?
16:52 cait           and on cascade for borrowernumber?
16:56 Joubu          hu
16:56 cait           sorry, long day already, not quite sure i make sense still
16:56 Joubu          so it was the current table structure!
16:56 cait           yes
16:56 cait           copy then master i think
16:57 Joubu          would you agree to replace the on delete cascade with a on delete set null for the borrower FK?
16:57 cait           i think it would be the quickest fix
16:57 cait           so yep
16:57 Joubu          and what would be the best fix?
16:57 cait           i can't really think of another
16:57 Joubu          so the quickest it the best one and the only one
16:57 cait           i think keeping the borrowernumber would be something some libraries might like... but i am not sure if that's valid
16:57 Joubu          I like that
16:58 cait           if you have paid your fines, that might be hard to argue for
16:58 cait           right to be forgotten and all
16:59 Joubu          I do not think patrons can be deleted if they have fines, at least from the interface
16:59 cait           no they can't
16:59 Joubu          forget that
17:02 oleonard       Joubu: Looking again at Bug 13618, are you saying that it is expected to get alerts from admin/branches.pl and admin/itemtypes.pl?
17:02 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13618 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Prevent XSS in the Staff Client and the OPAC
17:04 Joubu          yes
17:04 oleonard       Okay
17:04 Joubu          well, it is what I am expecting, I may be wrong
17:07 oleonard       I found two issues I missed before. Hopefully they won't be too complicated to address.
17:07 cait           [off] cool library of things result list in Koha: https://prag.bibliothek.goethe.de/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=kw&op=and&idx=kw&op=and&idx=kw&limit=mc-itype%2Cphr%3AGEGE&sort_by=relevance&do=Suche
17:07 cait           and also oleonard++
17:08 oleonard       [off] So cool, cait!
17:08 cait           [off] it totally is! :)
17:09 cait           [off] apparently slangline translates to slagline :)
17:11 oleonard       [off] Good looking OPAC customization too
17:13 cait           [off] no us - external designer
17:13 cait           and actually we can talk about it normally
17:13 cait           i tihnk it's just a feeling of not wanting to advertise? opac is public
17:17 cait           i just thought you might enjoy it or use it hwen someone asks if they can catalog X in koha :)
17:20 tuxayo         +1
17:20 tuxayo         :)
17:20 Joubu          We need to catalogue Koha installations then
17:20 cait           hehe
17:20 Joubu          or our bugs
17:20 cait           marc records for hea data?
17:22 Joubu          well, we would use the metadata table with json
17:23 cait           :)
17:28 paxed          btw, the finish koha libraries will stop using the opac (some already have done so), and use the finnish national library's finna portal
17:28 paxed          derp.
17:28 paxed          finnish*
18:05 oleonard       Joubu: I'm having a problem with holds.js, but I'm not sure why...
18:06 oleonard       TypeError: oObj.itemcallnumber is undefined (line 50)
18:09 Joubu          heh
18:09 Joubu          I think I closed my eyes on something with that
18:10 Joubu          ha nope, I do not recreate that one
18:10 Joubu          oleonard: does it happen with any items?
18:11 oleonard       I'll try more examples
18:14 Joubu          oleonard: I got it, biblio level holds
18:18 Joubu          oleonard: follow-up pushed
18:20 oleonard       Great, that fixes it for me.
18:29 oleonard       See you later #koha
18:41 caroline       librarians, do you guys often have information other than the isbn in 020$a? (like "(paperback)")
18:42 caroline       I'm noticing that it's screwing up the ISBN matching rules, but I'm wondering if it's just the way we do it here
18:43 Dyrcona        caroline: That is normal for MARC records. Newer records should be using 020$q, at least in the USA.
18:49 caroline       Dyrcona: thanks! I had seen the documentation on 020 $q, so I was wondering why that kind of information was in 020$a. Good to know that it changed
18:49 Dyrcona        Yeah, the $q is relatively new.
18:50 Dyrcona        Most of our records have that extra information in the 020$a.
18:52 caroline       Dyrcona: so when you import records and check for duplicates with the ISBN does it consider "ISBN (cover)" different that "ISBN" ?
18:52 caroline       Is this what  AggressiveMatchOnISBN is supposed to do?
18:52 Dyrcona        caroline: I actually work with Evergreen and not Koha. Evergreen has code to deal with the extra info in the subfield a.
18:53 caroline       Dyrcona: ah! a lurker unmasked! ;)
18:53 Dyrcona        :)
19:27 cait           i think some of koha's code can deal with it... or uses data of it
19:27 cait           is that the field that also can have hte price?
19:28 cait           i might just be confused
19:28 caroline       cait: I think AgressiveMatchOnISBN covers that problem
19:28 cait           cool :)
19:28 caroline       I tried it and it seemed to find the record with stuff after the ISBN
19:31 * andreashm    waves
19:31 cait           it shoudl not be too hard to strip out the isbn
19:31 caroline       hi andreashm!
19:31 cait           hi andreashm :)
19:31 andreashm      hi caroline and cait!
20:26 cait           wizzyrea: around?
21:15 wizzyrea       yep sup
21:16 wizzyrea       hi cait
21:41 cait           oh hey!
21:41 cait           was owndering if you were the right person to ask about bringing back wahanui?
21:42 cait           wizzyrea: ^
21:42 wizzyrea       no, rangi is, but he's away from his desk
21:42 cait           aah
21:42 cait           ok
21:44 cait           cool
21:46 caroline       see y'all tomorrow #koha!
21:48 cait           bye #koha
21:48 wizzyrea       good night