Time Nick Message 22:08 wizzyrea sometimes your brain won't leave a concept until you get the words right >.> 22:08 rangi heh 22:08 wizzyrea there we go. 22:07 wizzyrea indicative edible treat, not necessarily exclusive. 22:04 caroline good night everyone! 21:38 rangi hehe yeah 21:37 wizzyrea with Very Fancy Butter. 21:37 rangi i bet there are donuts 21:37 wizzyrea Artisinal Toast Edibles 21:37 rangi it's all all tinctures, and drinks, and chocolate bars etc in portland, brownies are not hipster enough 21:36 wizzyrea ^.^ noted edible treat known to be one of many edible treats, example only 21:36 rangi oh there's way more than brownies 21:35 wizzyrea or, seems like a waste of a brownie. 21:35 wizzyrea you can't smoke a brownie 21:28 rangi heh, edibles 21:27 wizzyrea I don't think it'll be cigars you're smoking in portland :P 21:26 cait true 21:26 caroline well, the numbers never add up when using opachiddenitems, but this is more obvious 21:25 cait seems definitely confusing 21:25 cait because now numbers don't add up 21:25 caroline okidoo 21:25 cait yep 21:25 caroline That's what you would expect too, cait? 21:25 caroline So if opachiddenitems says to hide, not only the item should be hidden from the record, but the availability should also be hidden from the results lists 21:23 cait in my opinion - but never checked it closely, not sure if it's new behaviour or not 21:22 cait i think it sounds like a bug 21:22 cait it should not show the withdrwan 21:17 caroline https://snag.gy/pF5VcG.jpg 21:14 caroline but I'm confused about the results list availability... 21:14 caroline If I click on the record I only see my one available, though, which is what I expect 21:13 caroline in OPAC, if I have two items in one record, one of which is withdrawn, and my opachiddenitems syspref says not to show withdrawn items, is the results list supposed to show 1 available and 1 withdrawn? 20:14 oleonard See y'all later 20:09 rangi I promise not to waste one of nates cigars this time round! 20:09 oleonard Yeah, can't wait! 20:09 rangi yay!! 20:09 oleonard Yes 20:08 rangi will you get to stay for the whole conf + hackfest? 20:07 oleonard Yes 20:06 rangi im trying to remember where i flew into when i came to athens, i think columbus 20:06 rangi hehe 20:06 oleonard If all else fails I can always leave myself 36 hours for the drive 20:05 rangi yep :) 20:04 oleonard I did, thanks. I've got my hotel booked but not my flight so I'd better get on that. 20:04 rangi oleonard: off topic but did you see https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon18_Proposals#Arrivals_.26_Departures 20:02 rangi (bugs about the plugin infrastructure that is) 20:02 rangi id put it under Architecture, internals and plumbing 20:01 rangi yeah i feel like if you call it plugins you end up with a bunch of bugs about the plugins 20:00 oleonard But I don't think anyone settled on a way to make it clear 20:00 oleonard I think it's for bugs related to Koha's support for plugins 20:00 oleonard Hi rangi 19:58 rangi cos, plugins aren't part of koha, that's kinda the point 19:58 rangi hmmm whats teh plugin component for? 18:42 Freddy_Enrique ashimema1++ 18:42 Freddy_Enrique Joubu++ 18:41 Freddy_Enrique I get it know! koha-create --letsencrypt 18:40 Freddy_Enrique thanks Ashimema1 18:40 Freddy_Enrique Omg! it was a command all a long... https://snag.gy/q26OXR.jpg 18:27 ashimema1 No.. man is standard Unix command for manual.. ie run it against a command to see that commands instructions 17:41 Freddy_Enrique so, the line should say... sudo man koha-create --create-db library --letsencrypt? 17:40 Freddy_Enrique Found it: sudo koha-create --create-db library 17:38 Freddy_Enrique :ashimema1 Hi, uhm... I failed to understand that line. Where could I get it? 17:35 ashimema1 'man koha-create' Freddy_Enrique 16:51 Freddy_Enrique SO, there's a way to make it simple? 16:50 Freddy_Enrique but that is configured in the apache files, not the app per se 16:50 Freddy_Enrique Ive read That I could use cerbot 16:50 Freddy_Enrique yes, I've been looking for ways to get the https but nothing so far 16:49 Freddy_Enrique wait.... that is not in the manual 16:49 Freddy_Enrique really??????? 16:45 Joubu there is a --letsencrypt flag to provide to koha-create when you create the instance 16:44 Joubu are you talking about letsentrypt? 16:44 Freddy_Enrique Oh... my bad. Ok 16:44 Joubu it's not a "number", it's IP:PORT 16:44 Freddy_Enrique One last question. Should I configure the SSL before or after koha installation? 16:43 Freddy_Enrique that number instead of __MEMCACHED_SERVERS__. Got it! :) 16:42 Joubu it should not be __MEMCACHED_SERVERS__ but certainly 127.0.0.1:11211 16:42 Joubu Freddy_Enrique: edit your koha-conf.xml file and replace the value of memcached_servers 16:35 Freddy_Enrique Wonder what problems I can Get from it and how to solve it 16:34 Freddy_Enrique Yesterday when trying to install the lastest version of Koha I happened to get this: https://snag.gy/8Y6Pnr.jpg 16:33 Freddy_Enrique Hi everyone! 15:49 reiveune bye 15:29 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20935 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Redesign system preferences interface 15:29 oleonard Joubu, josef_moravec: Bug 20935 updated, thanks for testing 15:14 Joubu weird 15:12 oleonard My screen is 2560x1440, and the position of the submit button doesn't change based on browser width 15:12 Joubu tcohen: how do you see it? 15:11 Joubu test in a private window 15:10 Joubu oleonard: I do not, what's your screen resolution? 15:06 oleonard http://zivotdesign.com/p/view.php?p=15301983857200 15:05 oleonard I see it the way it's supposed to look 15:03 Joubu how do you see it on neutral ground? 15:01 Joubu oleonard: http://pro.user02-koha.sandbox.biblibre.eu/cgi-bin/koha/circ/returns.pl 14:50 * oleonard too :P 14:50 Joubu oleonard: I see the same with FF and Chromium 14:49 oleonard Joubu: But you're right, the form fields in your screenshot are wider than I see 14:46 oleonard The font size is correct 14:43 Joubu If I disable it it looks like on your screenshot 14:42 Joubu I see .barcode { font-size: 200% } in the dev tools 14:42 Joubu oleonard: my input is much wider than yours 14:40 Joubu oleonard: it's not 14:39 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20959 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Style checkin form more like the checkout form, with collapsed settings panel 14:38 oleonard Joubu: I cannot reproduce your button problem with Bug 20959. Could you double-check that it's not a cache problem? 14:34 * oleonard is working from home today 14:34 oleonard Why do my holds always come in to the library on days I'm not there? 14:13 Joubu maybe not 14:12 Joubu the SQL is wrong 14:12 barton hm. 14:09 oleonard barton: That's not what the patron detail page says 14:07 barton yes, borrower 2 is subscribed via email, phone and sms. 14:06 Joubu If not, we will have to handle that case everywhere in the code.""" 14:06 Joubu If yes, I will write a script to catch them, add something to the about page and the update database process. 14:06 Joubu """My question was: If an item is defined with a items.itype (or biblioitems.itemtype) that is not an entry in the itemtypes table, is it considered as a configuration issue? 14:06 Joubu cait: I was referring earlier to the thread "Expected behaviour if itemtype does not exist" on koha-devel 14:05 oleonard Is borrower 2 subscribed to that notice or not? 14:04 pastebot "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "barton: I don't understand this output" (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/12 14:00 barton oleonard: thanks for reminding me of that report -- I think that I put it up on the reports library largely because once I figured it out once, I never wanted to have to figure it out again... I find the relaitonship between message_attributes and message_transports to be rather brain-bending. 13:56 cait ah similar 13:56 cait so the library could then go through them and add it 13:56 cait not quite, that loosk for ones where the hold checkbox was not checked 13:55 oleonard Same as https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Patrons#Patron_with_messages_but_no_email ? 13:53 cait http://paste.koha-community.org/11 13:53 cait i got a "student accounts that don't receive hold messages' 13:52 oleonard (thanks barton) 13:52 oleonard I found this: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library#Borrower_messaging_preferences_by_branch 13:50 cait oleonard: let me check if i got something 13:46 oleonard I'd like to know which patrons are "subscribed" to a particular message. 13:45 cait but basically you need to check borrower_message_transport_preferences for if it's on or not 13:44 cait what is your questio, i might have an sql stored? 13:44 cait that's why it's complicated 13:44 cait you need to see if there is something in transports too i think 13:44 cait not one line 13:44 cait no it always adds and updates them all 13:43 oleonard That is not the case. 13:43 oleonard I would expect that if a patron had no messaging preferences selected there would be no rows in borrower_message_preferences for that borrowernumber 13:43 cait so see which message 13:43 cait and can use that for message_attributes 13:43 Joubu and there is another one for the transport type, in borrower_message_transport_preferences 13:43 cait so from borrower_message_preferences you get the message_attribute_id 13:42 Joubu yes, it's a join table 13:41 cait but then you have to step backwards to see which message it is 13:41 Joubu not that much, it's in borrower_message_preferences 13:41 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14662 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Add empty entry to pull down when subfield is mandatory and linked to authorized value 13:41 cait bug 14662 13:40 oleonard :( 13:40 cait oleonard: that's complicated 13:40 oleonard Where in the database do we store which messaging preferences a patron has selected? 13:40 cait so most of our libraries don't use mandatory... because empty itemtypes are easier to find with a report than the ones you might have accidentally set to some value 13:39 cait if you tr to save without filling the field, like it does for free text input 13:39 cait it shoud have an empty option and trigger you to set one 13:39 cait but it might not be the itemtype you wanted to have 13:39 cait because you will never trigger a mandatory alert - it is never empty 13:39 cait that makes it quite error prone 13:38 cait or a default you selected if lucky 13:38 cait which means it just randomly selects the firt itemtype 13:38 cait it kills the 'empty' option 13:38 cait if you makr a subfield with a pull down mandatory 13:38 Joubu cait: mandatory behavior on the item form? 13:37 Joubu when something is wrong it's better to explode than to suggest everything went ok 13:37 cait because it's broken and that's bad 13:37 oleonard I'm out of ideas. 13:37 oleonard Everything should explode all the time. 13:36 cait can we then please finally repair the mandatory behavior on the item form? 13:36 Joubu few years ago Koha never exploded, even when it should 13:36 cait if we don't want people to add items without itemtype 13:36 oleonard Some things should explode, but not in Koha. 13:36 Joubu oleonard: wrong assertion 13:35 cait as soon as bugzilla lets me i will file a bug then 13:35 tcohen Plugin subsystem 13:35 oleonard cait: Nothing should ever explode. 13:35 cait yeah plugin support might be understood as 'the support for existing plugins' 13:34 cait or asked differently: shoudl i file a bug if a checkout withiut itemtype makes the summary print explode? 13:34 Joubu "support" could be misunderstood, but if people agrees I can create it 13:32 cait you get native speaker bonus anyway :) 13:32 AndrewIsh 'Plugin support' makes more sense to me since you're adding "support" for "plugins" 13:32 cait do we still fix internal server errors for missing itemtypes in items? 13:27 * AndrewIsh fixes his Vim with a hard stare... 13:26 AndrewIsh Joubu: Indeed, arghhhh, I'll fix 13:25 Joubu AndrewIsh: first patch of 20968 is full of tabs ;) 13:25 * AndrewIsh suggests oleonard reignites the effigy... 13:25 AndrewIsh Joubu: I see what you mean though, there's something funky going on with the indenting on those patches :( 13:25 * Joubu joins oleonard for the ceremony 13:25 ashimema1 'Plugin subsystem' +1 13:24 * oleonard douses the effigy 13:24 tcohen 'Plugin subsystem' 13:23 tcohen 'Plugin support' 13:23 AndrewIsh Joubu: I would hope not! Unless my Vim is playing games with me.... 13:23 tcohen Joubu: it could be just 'internals', right? people might think they should file bugs for plugins in there 13:23 * oleonard burns AndrewIsh in effigy 13:23 Joubu AndrewIsh: are you still submitting patches with tabs?!? 13:22 AndrewIsh Ignore my last message, I was misunderstanding who it was from/to ;-) 13:21 Joubu tcohen, khall: would it make sense to you to have a "Plugins" component in bugzilla? 13:19 Joubu oleonard: haaaaaaa :) 13:19 AndrewIsh Potentially anywhere 13:19 oleonard Joubu: In the opac? 13:18 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20968 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, andrew.isherwood, Failed QA , Plugins: Add hooks to enable plugin integration into catalogue 13:18 AndrewIsh Joubu: How so. Adding plugin hooks into core happens as required, for example Bug 20968 13:18 Joubu oleonard: `git grep -l ui-autocomplete`, yes it is 13:18 oleonard Joubu: I believe that there is no place where it is used. 13:17 Joubu AndrewIsh: I can add it, but not sure it makes sense to have it 13:17 AndrewIsh rangi: Any chance you could add a "Plugins" component on Bugzilla please :) 13:17 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20559 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Occurrences of loading-small.gif still exist 13:17 Joubu oleonard: on bug 20559 you remove CSS related to autocomplete (.ui-autocomplete, etc.), is it expected? 13:17 AndrewIsh Thanks cait & oleonard 13:15 AndrewIsh Thanks cait & oleonard :) 13:14 cait i'd just ask rangi to add it 13:14 ashimema1 :) 13:14 cait AndrewIsh ashimema 13:14 cait maybe plugin system could be a new component 13:07 huginn oleonard: The operation succeeded. 13:07 oleonard @later tell AndrewIsh I think rangi manages Bugzilla and could add a new component 13:07 oleonard Too slow. 13:07 oleonard AndrewIsh: I think rangi manages Bugzilla and could add a new component 13:01 caroline Hello! 12:50 nlegrand cait: ho we find books now, it's the main new thing ^^ 12:49 nlegrand the only things that surprised me is ESÂ yelling deprecation messages all the time. He's not doing the same thing on my test instance. 12:49 cait lots of things in the works currently 12:49 cait keep us updated about elastic? :) 12:48 nlegrand cait: frankly, we've done worse :) 12:46 cait if you have item level itypes the worst shoul dnot hit you 12:46 cait nlegrand: there were some bigger issues fixed, maybe peek at the release notes at least 12:46 nlegrand cait: well most of 18.05.x till last week, didn't have the time to rebase all to tag .01 12:45 ashimema1 +1 12:45 ashimema1 := 12:45 nlegrand cait: it's still a bit patchy but it's already better :) 12:44 cait .01 i hope? 12:44 nlegrand cait: yup! 12:44 cait swicched already? 12:44 nlegrand So we did it, we switch to 18.05 with ESÂ :) 12:43 nlegrand Hey #koha 12:13 ashimema1 there's a core/infrastucter or someting like that category that I'e used for such things to date. 12:12 AndrewIsh Hey all - is there any particular reason why Bugzilla doesn't have a "Plugins" component when creating a bug? Obviously plugins themselves won't be appearing in Bugzilla, but plugin hook additions, and modifications to the core Plugin object will do. Does anyone fancy creating a component for them, if not, what component should I use for such a bug? 12:01 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20554 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, claire_gravely, Needs Signoff , New OPAC CSS 12:01 oleonard calire: I also made sure Bug 20554 still applies... Just in case... 11:59 cait quite a change :) 11:59 calire oleonard, looks nice! 11:58 oleonard Working on this some more today: http://zivotdesign.com/p/#1/15301338390205 11:55 calire hi oleonard 11:54 oleonard Hi #koha 09:46 cait tbh it was alwys my advice but i didn't always manage myself... so ashimema++ :) 09:34 ashimema1 pleasure fridolin.. the main bit of advice I got given coming into this from everyone I spoke to was 'Keep up with the RM and don't pile up the updates' :).. I'm taking that advice seriously :) 09:33 tcohen cait: thanks 09:23 tcohen morning 09:01 fridolin thanks ashimema for you work on 18.05 its nice to do it little by little 09:01 fridolin and strong coffee 09:00 * fridolin likes SUCCESS 09:00 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20702 normal, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Stable , Bind results of GetHostItemsInfo to the EasyAnalyticalRecords pref 09:00 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20794 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , Don't show holds tab when user doesn't have circulate_remaining_permissions 09:00 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20881 normal, P5 - low, ---, pasi.kallinen, Pushed to Stable , Order receiving: Price filter missing on_editing 09:00 jenkins * m.de.rooy: Bug 20702: Bind results of GetHostItemsInfo to the EasyAnalyticalRecords 09:00 jenkins * m.de.rooy: Bug 20702: Add unit tests for GetHostItemsInfo 09:00 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20951 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Pushed to Stable , Koha::Patron::Discharge is missing use Koha::Patron::Debarments 09:00 jenkins * katrin.fischer: Bug 20794: Hide holds tab on details when user lacks 09:00 jenkins * pasi.kallinen: Bug 20881: Order receiving: Price filter missing on_editing 09:00 jenkins * fridolin.somers: Bug 20951: add missing use Koha::Patron::Debarments in 09:00 jenkins * Jonathan Druart: Bug 20906: Fix translatable-templates.t 09:00 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20906 major, P4, ---, martin.renvoize, Pushed to Stable , Fix Debian 9 Test Failures 09:00 jenkins * martin.renvoize: Bug 20906: Prevent test failures due to precision changes (2) 09:00 jenkins * martin.renvoize: Bug 20906: Prevent test failures due to stricter perl 09:00 jenkins * martin.renvoize: Bug 20906: Prevent test failures due to precision changes 09:00 jenkins Project Koha_17.11_D8 build #63: SUCCESS in 32 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_17.11_D8/63/ 07:51 JesseDhammu yeah, it looks like 07:50 cait moved and improved :) 07:49 cait cool, you are welcome 07:43 JesseDhammu *Found it and worked... 07:43 JesseDhammu cait: You've always been helping Champ. thanks. fount it and worked.. 07:36 cait look in administration > columns configuration 07:36 cait JesseDhammu: it was just moved 07:23 gaetan_B hello 07:15 JesseDhammu I recently upgraded my entire system and the revised koha verison im using is 18.05.00.000, but unlike my previous installation, the newer version does not have any option to show barcode in OPAC details page. This is exteremly essensial for our library, can anyone help in restoring the setting, so that my users can see the item barcode in opac details display screen under normal view. 07:13 JesseDhammu hi 06:43 reiveune hello 06:39 alex_a bonjour 05:39 fridolin hi there 00:25 * ashimema1 goes to aleep 00:25 * ashimema1 catches up on meeting many hours later