Time  Nick           Message
22:08 wizzyrea       sometimes your brain won't leave a concept until you get the words right >.>
22:08 rangi          heh
22:08 wizzyrea       there we go.
22:07 wizzyrea       indicative edible treat, not necessarily exclusive.
22:04 caroline       good night everyone!
21:38 rangi          hehe yeah
21:37 wizzyrea       with Very Fancy Butter.
21:37 rangi          i bet there are donuts
21:37 wizzyrea       Artisinal Toast Edibles
21:37 rangi          it's all all tinctures, and drinks, and chocolate bars etc in portland, brownies are not hipster enough
21:36 wizzyrea       ^.^ noted edible treat known to be one of many edible treats, example only
21:36 rangi          oh there's way more than brownies
21:35 wizzyrea       or, seems like a waste of a brownie.
21:35 wizzyrea       you can't smoke a brownie
21:28 rangi          heh, edibles
21:27 wizzyrea       I don't think it'll be cigars you're smoking in portland :P
21:26 cait           true
21:26 caroline       well, the numbers never add up when using opachiddenitems, but this is more obvious
21:25 cait           seems definitely confusing
21:25 cait           because now numbers don't add up
21:25 caroline       okidoo
21:25 cait           yep
21:25 caroline       That's what you would expect too, cait?
21:25 caroline       So if opachiddenitems says to hide, not only the item should be hidden from the record, but the availability should also be hidden from the results lists
21:23 cait           in my opinion - but never checked it closely, not sure if it's new behaviour or not
21:22 cait           i think it sounds like a bug
21:22 cait           it should not show the withdrwan
21:17 caroline       https://snag.gy/pF5VcG.jpg
21:14 caroline       but I'm confused about the results list availability...
21:14 caroline       If I click on the record I only see my one available, though, which is what I expect
21:13 caroline       in OPAC, if I have two items in one record, one of which is withdrawn, and my opachiddenitems syspref says not to show withdrawn items, is the results list supposed to show 1 available and 1 withdrawn?
20:14 oleonard       See y'all later
20:09 rangi          I promise not to waste one of nates cigars this time round!
20:09 oleonard       Yeah, can't wait!
20:09 rangi          yay!!
20:09 oleonard       Yes
20:08 rangi          will you get to stay for the whole conf + hackfest?
20:07 oleonard       Yes
20:06 rangi          im trying to remember where i flew into when i came to athens, i think columbus
20:06 rangi          hehe
20:06 oleonard       If all else fails I can always leave myself 36 hours for the drive
20:05 rangi          yep :)
20:04 oleonard       I did, thanks. I've got my hotel booked but not my flight so I'd better get on that.
20:04 rangi          oleonard: off topic but did you see https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon18_Proposals#Arrivals_.26_Departures
20:02 rangi          (bugs about the plugin infrastructure that is)
20:02 rangi          id put it under Architecture, internals and plumbing
20:01 rangi          yeah i feel like if you call it plugins you end up with a bunch of bugs about the plugins
20:00 oleonard       But I don't think anyone settled on a way to make it clear
20:00 oleonard       I think it's for bugs related to Koha's support for plugins
20:00 oleonard       Hi rangi
19:58 rangi          cos, plugins aren't part of koha, that's kinda the point
19:58 rangi          hmmm whats teh plugin component for?
18:42 Freddy_Enrique ashimema1++
18:42 Freddy_Enrique Joubu++
18:41 Freddy_Enrique I get it know! koha-create --letsencrypt
18:40 Freddy_Enrique thanks Ashimema1
18:40 Freddy_Enrique Omg! it was a command all a long... https://snag.gy/q26OXR.jpg
18:27 ashimema1      No.. man is standard Unix command for manual.. ie run it against a command to see that commands instructions
17:41 Freddy_Enrique so, the line should say... sudo man koha-create --create-db library --letsencrypt?
17:40 Freddy_Enrique Found it: sudo koha-create --create-db library
17:38 Freddy_Enrique :ashimema1 Hi, uhm... I failed to understand that line. Where could I get it?
17:35 ashimema1      'man koha-create' Freddy_Enrique
16:51 Freddy_Enrique SO, there's a way to make it simple?
16:50 Freddy_Enrique but that is configured in the apache files, not the app per se
16:50 Freddy_Enrique Ive read That I could use cerbot
16:50 Freddy_Enrique yes, I've been looking for ways to get the https but nothing so far
16:49 Freddy_Enrique wait.... that is not in the manual
16:49 Freddy_Enrique really???????
16:45 Joubu          there is a --letsencrypt flag to provide to koha-create when you create the instance
16:44 Joubu          are you talking about letsentrypt?
16:44 Freddy_Enrique Oh... my bad. Ok
16:44 Joubu          it's not a "number", it's IP:PORT
16:44 Freddy_Enrique One last question. Should I configure the SSL before or after koha installation?
16:43 Freddy_Enrique that number instead of __MEMCACHED_SERVERS__. Got it! :)
16:42 Joubu          it should not be __MEMCACHED_SERVERS__ but  certainly 127.0.0.1:11211
16:42 Joubu          Freddy_Enrique: edit your koha-conf.xml file and replace the value of memcached_servers
16:35 Freddy_Enrique Wonder what problems I can Get from it and how to solve it
16:34 Freddy_Enrique Yesterday when trying to install the lastest version of Koha I happened to get this: https://snag.gy/8Y6Pnr.jpg
16:33 Freddy_Enrique Hi everyone!
15:49 reiveune       bye
15:29 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20935 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Redesign system preferences interface
15:29 oleonard       Joubu, josef_moravec: Bug 20935 updated, thanks for testing
15:14 Joubu          weird
15:12 oleonard       My screen is 2560x1440, and the position of the submit button doesn't change based on browser width
15:12 Joubu          tcohen: how do you see it?
15:11 Joubu          test in a private window
15:10 Joubu          oleonard: I do not, what's your screen resolution?
15:06 oleonard       http://zivotdesign.com/p/view.php?p=15301983857200
15:05 oleonard       I see it the way it's supposed to look
15:03 Joubu          how do you see it on neutral ground?
15:01 Joubu          oleonard: http://pro.user02-koha.sandbox.biblibre.eu/cgi-bin/koha/circ/returns.pl
14:50 * oleonard     too :P
14:50 Joubu          oleonard: I see the same with FF and Chromium
14:49 oleonard       Joubu: But you're right, the form fields in your screenshot are wider than I see
14:46 oleonard       The font size is correct
14:43 Joubu          If I disable it it looks like on your screenshot
14:42 Joubu          I see .barcode { font-size: 200% } in the dev tools
14:42 Joubu          oleonard: my input is much wider than yours
14:40 Joubu          oleonard: it's not
14:39 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20959 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Style checkin form more like the checkout form, with collapsed settings panel
14:38 oleonard       Joubu: I cannot reproduce your button problem with Bug 20959. Could you double-check that it's not a cache problem?
14:34 * oleonard     is working from home today
14:34 oleonard       Why do my holds always come in to the library on days I'm not there?
14:13 Joubu          maybe not
14:12 Joubu          the SQL is wrong
14:12 barton         hm.
14:09 oleonard       barton: That's not what the patron detail page says
14:07 barton         yes, borrower 2 is subscribed via email, phone and sms.
14:06 Joubu          If not, we will have to handle that case everywhere in the code."""
14:06 Joubu          If yes, I will write a script to catch them, add something to the about page and the update database process.
14:06 Joubu          """My question was: If an item is defined with a items.itype (or biblioitems.itemtype) that is not an entry in the itemtypes table, is it considered as a configuration issue?
14:06 Joubu          cait: I was referring earlier to the thread "Expected behaviour if itemtype does not exist" on koha-devel
14:05 oleonard       Is borrower 2 subscribed to that notice or not?
14:04 pastebot       "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "barton: I don't understand this output" (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/12
14:00 barton         oleonard: thanks for reminding me of that report -- I think that I put it up on the reports library largely because once I figured it out once, I never wanted to have to figure it out again... I find the relaitonship between message_attributes and message_transports to be rather brain-bending.
13:56 cait           ah similar
13:56 cait           so the library could then go through them and add it
13:56 cait           not quite, that loosk for ones where the hold checkbox was not checked
13:55 oleonard       Same as https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Patrons#Patron_with_messages_but_no_email ?
13:53 cait           http://paste.koha-community.org/11
13:53 cait           i got a "student accounts that don't receive hold messages'
13:52 oleonard       (thanks barton)
13:52 oleonard       I found this: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library#Borrower_messaging_preferences_by_branch
13:50 cait           oleonard: let me check if i got something
13:46 oleonard       I'd like to know which patrons are "subscribed" to a particular message.
13:45 cait           but basically you need to check borrower_message_transport_preferences for if it's on or not
13:44 cait           what is your questio, i might have an sql stored?
13:44 cait           that's why it's complicated
13:44 cait           you need to see if there is something in transports too i think
13:44 cait           not one line
13:44 cait           no it always adds and updates them all
13:43 oleonard       That is not the case.
13:43 oleonard       I would expect that if a patron had no messaging preferences selected there would be no rows in borrower_message_preferences for that borrowernumber
13:43 cait           so see which message
13:43 cait           and can use that for message_attributes
13:43 Joubu          and there is another one for the transport type, in borrower_message_transport_preferences
13:43 cait           so from borrower_message_preferences you get the message_attribute_id
13:42 Joubu          yes, it's a join table
13:41 cait           but then you have to step backwards to see which message it is
13:41 Joubu          not that much, it's in borrower_message_preferences
13:41 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14662 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Add empty entry to pull down when subfield is mandatory and linked to authorized value
13:41 cait           bug 14662
13:40 oleonard       :(
13:40 cait           oleonard: that's complicated
13:40 oleonard       Where in the database do we store which messaging preferences a patron has selected?
13:40 cait           so most of our libraries don't use mandatory... because empty itemtypes are easier to find with a report than the ones you might have accidentally set to some value
13:39 cait           if you tr to save without filling the field, like it does for free text input
13:39 cait           it shoud have an empty option and trigger you to set one
13:39 cait           but it might not be the itemtype you wanted to have
13:39 cait           because you will never trigger a mandatory alert - it is never empty
13:39 cait           that makes it quite error prone
13:38 cait           or a default you selected if lucky
13:38 cait           which means it just randomly selects the firt itemtype
13:38 cait           it kills the 'empty' option
13:38 cait           if you makr a subfield with a pull down mandatory
13:38 Joubu          cait: mandatory behavior on the item form?
13:37 Joubu          when something is wrong it's better to explode than to suggest everything went ok
13:37 cait           because it's broken and that's bad
13:37 oleonard       I'm out of ideas.
13:37 oleonard       Everything should explode all the time.
13:36 cait           can we then please finally repair the mandatory behavior on the item form?
13:36 Joubu          few years ago Koha never exploded, even when it should
13:36 cait           if we don't want people to add items without itemtype
13:36 oleonard       Some things should explode, but not in Koha.
13:36 Joubu          oleonard: wrong assertion
13:35 cait           as soon as bugzilla lets me i will file a bug then
13:35 tcohen         Plugin subsystem
13:35 oleonard       cait: Nothing should ever explode.
13:35 cait           yeah plugin support might be understood as 'the support for existing plugins'
13:34 cait           or asked differently: shoudl i file a bug if a checkout withiut itemtype makes the summary print explode?
13:34 Joubu          "support" could be misunderstood, but if people agrees I can create it
13:32 cait           you get native speaker bonus anyway :)
13:32 AndrewIsh      'Plugin support' makes more sense to me since you're adding "support" for "plugins"
13:32 cait           do we still fix internal server errors for missing itemtypes in items?
13:27 * AndrewIsh    fixes his Vim with a hard stare...
13:26 AndrewIsh      Joubu: Indeed, arghhhh, I'll fix
13:25 Joubu          AndrewIsh: first patch of 20968 is full of tabs ;)
13:25 * AndrewIsh    suggests oleonard reignites the effigy...
13:25 AndrewIsh      Joubu: I see what you mean though, there's something funky going on with the indenting on those patches :(
13:25 * Joubu        joins oleonard for the ceremony
13:25 ashimema1      'Plugin subsystem' +1
13:24 * oleonard     douses the effigy
13:24 tcohen         'Plugin subsystem'
13:23 tcohen         'Plugin support'
13:23 AndrewIsh      Joubu:  I would hope not! Unless my Vim is playing games with me....
13:23 tcohen         Joubu: it could be just 'internals', right? people might think they should file bugs for plugins in there
13:23 * oleonard     burns AndrewIsh in effigy
13:23 Joubu          AndrewIsh: are you still submitting patches with tabs?!?
13:22 AndrewIsh      Ignore my last message, I was misunderstanding who it was from/to ;-)
13:21 Joubu          tcohen, khall: would it make sense to you to have a "Plugins" component in bugzilla?
13:19 Joubu          oleonard: haaaaaaa :)
13:19 AndrewIsh      Potentially anywhere
13:19 oleonard       Joubu: In the opac?
13:18 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20968 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, andrew.isherwood, Failed QA , Plugins: Add hooks to enable plugin integration into catalogue
13:18 AndrewIsh      Joubu: How so. Adding plugin hooks into core happens as required, for example Bug 20968
13:18 Joubu          oleonard: `git grep -l ui-autocomplete`, yes it is
13:18 oleonard       Joubu: I believe that there is no place where it is used.
13:17 Joubu          AndrewIsh: I can add it, but not sure it makes sense to have it
13:17 AndrewIsh      rangi: Any chance you could add a "Plugins" component on Bugzilla please :)
13:17 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20559 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Occurrences of loading-small.gif still exist
13:17 Joubu          oleonard: on bug 20559 you remove CSS related to autocomplete (.ui-autocomplete, etc.), is it expected?
13:17 AndrewIsh      Thanks cait & oleonard
13:15 AndrewIsh      Thanks cait & oleonard :)
13:14 cait           i'd just ask rangi to add it
13:14 ashimema1      :)
13:14 cait           AndrewIsh ashimema
13:14 cait           maybe plugin system could be a new component
13:07 huginn         oleonard: The operation succeeded.
13:07 oleonard       @later tell AndrewIsh I think rangi manages Bugzilla and could add a new component
13:07 oleonard       Too slow.
13:07 oleonard       AndrewIsh: I think rangi manages Bugzilla and could add a new component
13:01 caroline       Hello!
12:50 nlegrand       cait: ho we find books now, it's the main new thing ^^
12:49 nlegrand       the only things that surprised me is ES yelling deprecation messages all the time. He's not doing the same thing on my test instance.
12:49 cait           lots of things in the works currently
12:49 cait           keep us updated about elastic? :)
12:48 nlegrand       cait: frankly, we've done worse :)
12:46 cait           if you have item level itypes the worst shoul dnot hit you
12:46 cait           nlegrand: there were some bigger issues fixed, maybe peek at the release notes at least
12:46 nlegrand       cait: well most of 18.05.x till last week, didn't have the time to rebase all to tag .01
12:45 ashimema1      +1
12:45 ashimema1      :=
12:45 nlegrand       cait: it's still a bit patchy but it's already better :)
12:44 cait           .01 i hope?
12:44 nlegrand       cait: yup!
12:44 cait           swicched already?
12:44 nlegrand       So we did it, we switch to 18.05 with ES :)
12:43 nlegrand       Hey #koha
12:13 ashimema1      there's a core/infrastucter or someting like that category that I'e used for such things to date.
12:12 AndrewIsh      Hey all - is there any particular reason why Bugzilla doesn't have a "Plugins" component when creating a bug? Obviously plugins themselves won't be appearing in Bugzilla, but plugin hook additions, and modifications to the core Plugin object will do. Does anyone fancy creating a component for them, if not, what component should I use for such a bug?
12:01 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20554 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, claire_gravely, Needs Signoff , New OPAC CSS
12:01 oleonard       calire: I also made sure Bug 20554 still applies... Just in case...
11:59 cait           quite a change :)
11:59 calire         oleonard, looks nice!
11:58 oleonard       Working on this some more today: http://zivotdesign.com/p/#1/15301338390205
11:55 calire         hi oleonard
11:54 oleonard       Hi #koha
09:46 cait           tbh it was alwys my advice but i didn't always manage myself... so ashimema++ :)
09:34 ashimema1      pleasure fridolin.. the main bit of advice I got given coming into this from everyone I spoke to was 'Keep up with the RM and don't pile up the updates' :).. I'm taking that advice seriously :)
09:33 tcohen         cait: thanks
09:23 tcohen         morning
09:01 fridolin       thanks ashimema for you work on 18.05 its nice to do it little by little
09:01 fridolin       and strong coffee
09:00 * fridolin     likes SUCCESS
09:00 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20702 normal, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Stable , Bind results of GetHostItemsInfo to the EasyAnalyticalRecords pref
09:00 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20794 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , Don't show holds tab when user doesn't have circulate_remaining_permissions
09:00 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20881 normal, P5 - low, ---, pasi.kallinen, Pushed to Stable , Order receiving: Price filter missing on_editing
09:00 jenkins        * m.de.rooy: Bug 20702: Bind results of GetHostItemsInfo to the EasyAnalyticalRecords
09:00 jenkins        * m.de.rooy: Bug 20702: Add unit tests for GetHostItemsInfo
09:00 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20951 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Pushed to Stable , Koha::Patron::Discharge is missing use Koha::Patron::Debarments
09:00 jenkins        * katrin.fischer: Bug 20794: Hide holds tab on details when user lacks
09:00 jenkins        * pasi.kallinen: Bug 20881: Order receiving: Price filter missing on_editing
09:00 jenkins        * fridolin.somers: Bug 20951: add missing use Koha::Patron::Debarments in
09:00 jenkins        * Jonathan Druart: Bug 20906: Fix translatable-templates.t
09:00 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20906 major, P4, ---, martin.renvoize, Pushed to Stable , Fix Debian 9 Test Failures
09:00 jenkins        * martin.renvoize: Bug 20906: Prevent test failures due to precision changes (2)
09:00 jenkins        * martin.renvoize: Bug 20906: Prevent test failures due to stricter perl
09:00 jenkins        * martin.renvoize: Bug 20906: Prevent test failures due to precision changes
09:00 jenkins        Project Koha_17.11_D8 build #63: SUCCESS in 32 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_17.11_D8/63/
07:51 JesseDhammu    yeah, it looks like
07:50 cait           moved and improved :)
07:49 cait           cool, you are welcome
07:43 JesseDhammu    *Found it and worked...
07:43 JesseDhammu    cait: You've always been helping Champ. thanks. fount it and worked..
07:36 cait           look in administration > columns configuration
07:36 cait           JesseDhammu: it was just moved
07:23 gaetan_B       hello
07:15 JesseDhammu    I recently upgraded my entire system and the revised koha verison im using is 18.05.00.000, but unlike my previous installation, the newer version does not have any option to show barcode in OPAC details page. This is exteremly essensial for our library, can anyone help in restoring the setting, so that my users can see the item barcode in opac details display screen under normal view.
07:13 JesseDhammu    hi
06:43 reiveune       hello
06:39 alex_a         bonjour
05:39 fridolin       hi there
00:25 * ashimema1    goes to aleep
00:25 * ashimema1    catches up on meeting many hours later