Time Nick Message 06:35 reiveune hello 06:35 wahanui hey, reiveune 06:57 alex_a bonjour 07:27 jenkins Project Koha_17.11_D8 build #57: SUCCESS in 34 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_17.11_D8/57/ 07:27 jenkins * magnus: Bug 20546: Display shelving location on checkin 07:27 jenkins * kyle: Bug 18821: TrackLastPatronActivity is a performance killer 07:27 jenkins * kyle: Bug 18821: Convert to using cache with date checking 07:27 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20546 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, RESOLVED FIXED, Shelving location not displayed on checkin 07:27 jenkins * m.de.rooy: Bug 18821: (QA follow-up) Last tweaks for performance 07:27 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18821 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , TrackLastPatronActivity is a performance killer 07:41 gaetan_B hello 09:11 eythian hi 09:11 ashimema ho 11:43 oleonard Hi all 11:54 ncbaratta howdy oleonard :) 11:57 oleonard Hi ncbaratta, I enjoyed seeing your conference tweets recently 11:58 ncbaratta Thanks!! I haven't been going to as many conferences lately :) and when I do I always seem to be working the ChickTech booth 12:13 ashimema ooh.. we moved master to testing against D9.. I thought we were going to test both 12:48 oleonard Are we still having simultaneous dev and documentation meetings today? 12:53 Joubu oleonard: we will do one after the other ;) 12:57 Joubu oleonard: If CircSidebar is set and you hit /cgi-bin/koha/circ/returns.pl, you will get "ReferenceError: $ is not defined" 12:58 oleonard I'm sorry. 12:58 Joubu I have not idea how to fix it simply and cleanly, I am going to open a bug report ;) 13:01 tuxayo kivilahtio around? 13:02 Joubu bug 20931 13:02 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20931 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , JS error "ReferenceError: $ is not defined" when CircSidebar is turned on 13:12 kivilahtio tuxayo: fortunately 13:17 ashimema tcohen++ 13:19 tcohen morning 13:19 * ashimema will be late to the meetings.. collides with school run. 13:39 Freddy_Enrique Good morning everyone 13:40 oleonard Hi Freddy_Enrique 13:42 Freddy_Enrique One quick question... there in the US people like soccer? here are making me nuts for the world tournament 13:44 Freddy_Enrique the other question, a more serious one.. how is it possible for me to include a slider like the one shown here? : https://snag.gy/SRbJ8V.jpg 13:46 oleonard Freddy_Enrique: Yes there are people in the US who like soccer, there just aren't as many as like American football, baseball, and basketball. 13:46 Freddy_Enrique do I need to change some config files or just do all the work in the opac-main user/css in the intranet? 13:46 Freddy_Enrique I see :) 13:46 oleonard The slider is probably build on a JavaScript widget, maybe a jquery plugin. It's probably a combination of HTML (in OpacMainUserBlock), CSS (in OpacUserCSS) and JavaScript (in OpacUserJS) 13:47 Freddy_Enrique oh.... 13:47 Freddy_Enrique Can you find some code like that to download or one should build it from scratch? 13:48 Freddy_Enrique uhm...I get it now. Java :( 13:49 oleonard Not Java, JavaScript. 13:49 tuxayo kivilahtio: can I take bug 12586 :) 13:49 tuxayo Thanks a lot for having done most of the work on this! 13:49 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12586 normal, P5 - low, ---, olli-antti.kivilahti, Failed QA , Record matching rules - Required match checks doesn't work with MARCXML 13:49 tuxayo I'll try to rebase, write an automated test, and help the bug to make it through the process. 13:49 Freddy_Enrique Sorry, my bad. Thanks Oleonard :) 13:50 kivilahtio tuxayo: wow. Thank you so much for asking. Please help yourself! 13:50 * LeeJ waves 13:50 kivilahtio tuxayo: I think the latest version is available in our github 13:50 LeeJ hi #koha 13:51 LeeJ Joubu: around? 13:51 oleonard Freddy_Enrique: https://getbootstrap.com/docs/3.3/javascript/#carousel 13:51 Joubu LeeJ: yes 13:51 kivilahtio tuxayo: https://github.com/KohaSuomi/Koha/blob/ks-rumble/C4/Matcher.pm 13:52 Freddy_Enrique time for a little playground :3 13:52 Freddy_Enrique oleonard++ 13:52 kivilahtio tuxayo: that is running in production and is prolly the most best version I know of that feature 13:55 oleonard Freddy_Enrique: The carousel widget JS is already included in the OPAC, so no additional JS required 13:55 LeeJ anyone who's here for the docs meeting..docs will begin its meeting immediately following the dev meeting :) 13:59 * kidclamp waves 13:59 * LeeJ waves to kidclamp 14:00 kidclamp Are we running meetings at same time? 14:00 kidclamp one emeting to cover docs and dev? 14:00 LeeJ kidclamp: docs can start after dev 14:00 kidclamp kk 14:00 LeeJ :) 14:01 kidclamp #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 13 June 2018 14:01 huginn` Meeting started Wed Jun 13 14:01:23 2018 UTC. The chair is kidclamp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:01 huginn` Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 14:01 huginn` The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_13_june_2018' 14:01 kidclamp #topic Introductions 14:01 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 14:01 kidclamp #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions 14:01 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart 14:01 LeeJ #info Lee Jamison, Marywood University 14:02 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, USA 14:02 josef_moravec #info Josef Moravec, Municipal Library Usti nad Orlici, Czech Republic 14:03 kidclamp #topic Announcements 14:03 kidclamp Anybody 14:03 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 14:03 LeeJ docs will be having a meeting immediately following this dev meeting :) 14:04 LeeJ kidclamp: have there been any 18.11 pushes to master done yet? or still getting set up? 14:04 kidclamp #topic Update from the Release manager (18.11) 14:04 Joubu we should send a what's on in koha-devel email this month. If you want to contribute, it's there https://annuel2.framapad.org/p/What_s_on_in_koha-devel 14:05 kidclamp still pushing bugs for one more week, then will begin with the queue next friday 14:05 kidclamp #info RM is pushing bugs for one more week, will begin on enhancements next friday 14:05 LeeJ kidclamp: okay thanks..so the docs meeting will be brief :) 14:05 kidclamp thanks Joubu 14:06 kidclamp LeeJ there is a note on the merging deleted tables for docs 14:06 kidclamp bug 20271 14:06 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20271 major, P1 - high, ---, oha, Passed QA , Merge deleted* tables with their "alive" cousins 14:06 LeeJ kidclamp: hm? 14:06 LeeJ oh dear...alright 14:07 * lavamind waves 14:07 LeeJ kidclamp: thanks...I'll have to read it in-depth later 14:07 kidclamp oleonard, is there a write up on the wiki for dev/testing process after SCSS patches are pushed? 14:08 kidclamp if not, can there be? 14:08 oleonard https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Working_with_staff_client_SCSS 14:08 oleonard I can add a section specifically for testers 14:08 kidclamp oleonard++ 14:09 kidclamp that's all I have for now, I am going to push all I can to leave time for testing 14:09 kidclamp Mana, ES stuffs, other big things please QA sooner rather than later :-) 14:09 kidclamp #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers 14:10 kidclamp RMaints? 14:10 wahanui somebody said RMaints was kidclamp (17.11), fridolin (17.05), rangi (16.11) 14:10 fridolin #info Fridolin Somers, Biblibre, France 14:10 kidclamp wahanui RMaints is ashimema (18.05), fridolin (17.11 and 17.05) 14:10 wahanui ...but rmaints is kidclamp (17.11), fridolin (17.05), rangi (16.11)... 14:10 kidclamp wahanui RMaints is ashimema (18.05), fridolin (17.11 and 17.05) 14:10 wahanui ...but rmaints is kidclamp (17.11), fridolin (17.05), rangi (16.11)... 14:10 Joubu no wahanui, RMaints is ashimema (18.05), fridolin (17.11 and 17.05) 14:10 wahanui okay, Joubu. 14:11 kidclamp thanks joubu 14:11 kidclamp fridolin? 14:11 wahanui i guess fridolin is that guy with the great hair 14:11 fridolin evrything is ok for 17.11.07 release 14:11 fridolin nothing special 14:12 ashimema #info Martin Renvoize - PTFS Europe 14:12 kidclamp it has been mentioned we may want to relase 18.05.01 early? ashimema? 14:13 lavamind iirc Joubu mentioned 18.05 was unfit for prod 14:14 ashimema I've been waiting for the bugfixes to slow down before making a decision on early release.. felt like there were still bits coming in at more than a tricle pace 14:15 ashimema as I said.. I'm open to opinions on that but to date I've only had one person suggest a need to get it out sooner than 22nd 14:15 Joubu there are still some that are not pushed to 18.05.x 14:15 ashimema indeed 14:15 Joubu bug 20918, bug 20899 , bug 20832 should be part of 18.05.01 14:15 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20918 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , left-side navigation broken on the checkout history page 14:15 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20899 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Patron name not showing on issuehistory.pl 14:15 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20832 critical, P5 - low, ---, josef.moravec, Passed QA , Opac user page crash when there is an overdue fine and not any rental charge for a patron 14:16 ashimema We'll stick to 22nd as per the norm I think.. get as many solid fixes in as possible rather than setting a precident to release early with some fixes missing 14:16 kidclamp #info 18.05.01 will stick to release on 22nd to get as many fixes as possible 14:16 kidclamp soudns good to me 14:16 ashimema 20832 was one that particular caught my attention ;) 14:17 kidclamp I will push bugs today or tomorrw 14:17 kidclamp to give you time 14:17 * ashimema goes on school run to presence will be intermitten for the next 30 mins 14:17 ashimema :) 14:17 kidclamp moving on 14:17 kidclamp #topic Updates from the QA team 14:18 kidclamp QA team? 14:18 wahanui QA team is hunting all the bugs! 14:18 Joubu qa_team? 14:18 wahanui qa_team is probably alex_a jajm marcelr khall kidclamp tcohen josef_moravec 14:18 Joubu and few more now 14:19 kidclamp no wahanui qa_teamis jajm marcelr josef_moravec alex_a ashimema tcohen khall Joubu rangi 14:19 kidclamp no wahanui qa_team is jajm marcelr josef_moravec alex_a ashimema tcohen khall Joubu rangi 14:19 wahanui okay, kidclamp. 14:19 Joubu I'd like QA on bug 19817 and bug 20287, they should be pushed early in the release cycle 14:19 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19817 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Merge local and online documentations 14:19 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20287 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Move AddMember and ModMember to Koha::Patron 14:20 Joubu bug 20271 is PQA, I think we should get another stamp on it 14:20 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20271 major, P1 - high, ---, oha, Passed QA , Merge deleted* tables with their "alive" cousins 14:20 kidclamp #info bugs 19817 and 20287, please QA for early pushing to allow thorough testing 14:20 Joubu and also know if someone is going to work on other tables (issues, reserves, etc.) for this release 14:21 kidclamp Joubu, doesn't it touch them all? 14:21 kidclamp oh, it changed 14:22 Joubu ha, maybe it has changed since I took a look 14:22 kidclamp no, it was all, then it wasn't again 14:22 kidclamp yes, issues and reserves are the most problematic 14:22 Joubu I have just looked at the update db entry this morning 14:22 Joubu and it's scary 14:23 Joubu INSERT IGNORE INTO items ( 14:23 Joubu + SELECT *, timestamp AS deleted_on FROM deleteditems 14:23 Joubu + WHERE biblioitemnumber IN (SELECT biblioitemnumber FROM biblioitems) 14:23 Joubu + AND homebranch IN (SELECT homebranch FROM branches) 14:23 Joubu + AND holdingbranch IN (SELECT holdingbranch FROM branches) 14:23 Joubu + AND biblionumber IN (SELECT biblionumber FROM biblio) 14:23 Joubu not sure how this will behave on very big DB, that needs to be checked/confirmed before pushed 14:24 kidclamp will test against some dbs before pushing 14:24 kidclamp #info bug 20271 could use a second (or third) pair of eyes as it is a big (but necessary) change 14:25 kidclamp anything else Joubu?> 14:25 Joubu nope 14:25 kidclamp #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) 14:25 Joubu (well, it's no longer a necessary change ;)) 14:25 kidclamp #topic Accounts API: Vote the RFC 14:27 thd I note the question about manager_id vs something more familiar. 14:28 kidclamp #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Patrons_account_lines_endpoint_RFC Accountlines endpoint RFC 14:28 ashimema The accounts RFC looks solid to me. 14:29 LeeJ looks good to me as well 14:29 thd Is the reason for manager_id to use accounting terms as distinct from Koha nomenclature? 14:29 kidclamp thd: I think vote can proceed with note to consider the naming for tcohen 14:29 kidclamp I am not sure why 'manager_id' 14:30 Joubu kidclamp: heh, I was going to ask the same! 14:30 Joubu to me it's confusing 14:30 ashimema What term would you prefer? 14:30 thd It may be the term which proper accountants expect. 14:31 Joubu and cait asked the same on the wiki page 14:32 kidclamp for the api he specifies 'user_id' which is more in line 14:32 kidclamp so I think he took the comment into account 14:32 ashimema Staff_id would suit me 14:32 ashimema Grr, autocorrect 14:33 josef_moravec both terms proposed by Katrin are OK for me... 14:33 ashimema Hmm, user_id feels too generic to me 14:34 kidclamp vote on user_id vs staff_id then vote on rfc with that change? 14:34 ashimema There are two users in this call.. so having role there makes sense 14:34 thd Yes, actually if it was for accountants then the api term would be manager so manager is still confusing. 14:34 kidclamp user_id vs patron_id 14:35 khall #info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions 14:36 kidclamp going to call a vote for the manager id field 14:36 thd I think we should wait for clarification from the author of the API. 14:37 kidclamp tcohen said he is happy to go with what is wanted 14:37 thd OK 14:38 thd patron_id is a distinct and separate role. 14:38 kidclamp #startvote Should manager_id in the accountlines endpoint be referred to as staff_id, user_id, or manager_id? staff_id, user_id, manager_id 14:38 huginn` Begin voting on: Should manager_id in the accountlines endpoint be referred to as staff_id, user_id, or manager_id? Valid vote options are staff_id, user_id, manager_id. 14:38 huginn` Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 14:38 kidclamp #vote user_id 14:38 LeeJ #vote user_id 14:39 khall #vote user_id 14:39 Joubu https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Acquisitions_funds_endpoint_RFC 14:39 thd #vote staff_id 14:40 Joubu #vote member_id 14:40 huginn` Joubu: member_id is not a valid option. Valid options are staff_id, user_id, manager_id. 14:40 Joubu :D 14:40 LeeJ lol 14:40 ashimema #vote staff_id 14:40 thd #vote staff_id # for the DB 14:40 huginn` thd: staff_id # for the DB is not a valid option. Valid options are staff_id, user_id, manager_id. 14:40 Joubu #vote staff_id 14:40 thd Is the vote about the DB or the API? 14:41 kidclamp the api 14:41 kidclamp i think we are tied, someone around to help us? 14:41 josef_moravec #vote staff_id 14:41 kidclamp josef_moravec++ 14:41 kidclamp last call 14:41 ashimema We can't easily change the db can we? 14:41 Joubu it's not so important, we just need to stay consistent with other endpoints 14:42 thd The original question was about the DB column manager_id with API key user_id . 14:42 kidclamp #endvote 14:42 huginn` Voted on "Should manager_id in the accountlines endpoint be referred to as staff_id, user_id, or manager_id?" Results are 14:42 huginn` staff_id (4): Joubu, ashimema, thd, josef_moravec 14:42 huginn` user_id (3): kidclamp, LeeJ, khall 14:43 kidclamp #info staff_id is preferred for API access to manager_id in the db 14:43 thd My vote was intended to be for the DB column name. 14:43 kidclamp did you want to change your vote thd? 14:44 thd I am still not clear what the vote is for DB column or API key? 14:44 kidclamp the API 14:44 Joubu maybe we do not care? 14:44 thd ... or both 14:44 Joubu really, who *really* cares? 14:44 kidclamp we do not planj to alter the db, is much messier 14:45 thd Is the db column not new? 14:45 thd maybe not. 14:45 kidclamp no, this is just conversing on API endpoints for existing database tables 14:45 kidclamp calling for vote on the RFC 14:46 thd I will leave my vote 14:46 kidclamp #startvote Should we accept the accountlines endpoint RFC with adjustment for manager_id -> staff_id? Yes, No, Abstain 14:46 huginn` Begin voting on: Should we accept the accountlines endpoint RFC with adjustment for manager_id -> staff_id? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain. 14:46 huginn` Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 14:46 kidclamp #vote Yes 14:46 Joubu let's say the RFC is flexible and will be adjusted depending on further needs/discussions? 14:47 kidclamp #info the RFC is flexible and will be adjusted depending on further needs/discussions 14:47 josef_moravec #vote Yes 14:47 thd Joubu++ 14:47 josef_moravec Joubu++ 14:47 thd #vote Yes 14:47 kidclamp yes, just voting on enough consensus for work to proceed 14:48 LeeJ #vote Yes 14:48 thd I would have preferred to have a rationale from tcohen. 14:49 khall #Yes 14:49 khall #vote Yes 14:49 Joubu #vote yes 14:49 kidclamp last call 14:50 kidclamp you can still discuss with him later thd 14:50 kidclamp #endvote 14:50 huginn` Voted on "Should we accept the accountlines endpoint RFC with adjustment for manager_id -> staff_id?" Results are 14:50 huginn` Yes (6): Joubu, josef_moravec, khall, kidclamp, thd, LeeJ 14:50 kidclamp #info Accountlines RFC endpoint is accepted 14:50 kidclamp #topic Review of coding guidelines 14:51 kidclamp #topic Add a new coding guideline about maintaining the cookie documentation, see: Use of Cookies 14:51 kidclamp #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Use_of_Cookies Use of cookies 14:51 thd I meant that I would have preferred a rationale from the author before voting but the suggestion has been that he did not have a strong rationale and as Joubu rightly stated we can revisit the issue if it has a consequence. 14:53 thd s/has been/has been implied indirectly/ 14:54 kidclamp cookies seems to be gdpr consideration? anyone know who added or has opinion? 14:54 oleonard Okay, so cookies... 14:55 LeeJ kidclamp: should the cookies page be referenced somewhere in the manual considering the gravity of GDPR? 14:56 kidclamp it can't hurt, or can refer to that page 14:57 kidclamp I think asking devs to update docs for cookie expiration time sounds fair 14:57 kidclamp just need someone to word it to vote 14:57 LeeJ sounds good! I'll mark it down for the docs meeting to mention it/create a task 14:58 * Joubu thinks Koha should have a page with developper's name and postal address to let librarians send them cookies 14:59 * LeeJ agrees with Joubu's idea 14:59 eythian that's what the cookie law was about eg 14:59 eythian *eh 14:59 kidclamp Joubu++ 14:59 kidclamp Joubu, you added the note, you want to propose a guideline to vote on? or next meeting? 14:59 kidclamp (at 1 hr) 15:00 Joubu did I?? 15:00 josef_moravec I think it was Katrin ;) 15:01 thd Koha Coding Guidelines to be changed to incorporate cookies use and expiration as described in https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Use_of_Cookies with the Koha Manual to incorporate a reference to the same policy as an element in GDPR compliance, Yes or No? 15:01 kidclamp ah, I misread 15:02 Joubu why do we need to vote on that? Submit a patch and we are done 15:02 thd Joubu++ 15:02 kidclamp the vote is on adding a guideline to ask devs to maintain that page 15:03 thd we need an #info at least. 15:03 Joubu ho right, so let's vote yes 15:04 LeeJ I'm wondering if there should be a dedicated section in the manual titled something like "GDPR Compliance" if we're going to be continually updating/changing things for compliance purposes 15:04 Joubu (we need 2 version columns (from-to), if we remove them) 15:04 kidclamp #startvote Should a codign guidline be added to require devs to maintin documentation on cookie use/expiration as required by GDPR and maintained on the wiki page Use of Cookies? Yes, No, Abstain 15:04 huginn` Begin voting on: Should a codign guidline be added to require devs to maintin documentation on cookie use/expiration as required by GDPR and maintained on the wiki page Use of Cookies? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain. 15:04 huginn` Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 15:04 Joubu #vote yes 15:04 kidclamp #vote Yes 15:04 oleonard #vote yes 15:04 khall #vote Yes 15:04 thd #vote Yes 15:05 LeeJ #vote Yes 15:05 kidclamp last call 15:05 Joubu it could also be added to the release notes (like syspref, notice templates, permissions, etc.) 15:05 thd Joubu++ 15:05 kidclamp #endvote 15:05 huginn` Voted on "Should a codign guidline be added to require devs to maintin documentation on cookie use/expiration as required by GDPR and maintained on the wiki page Use of Cookies?" Results are 15:05 huginn` Yes (6): Joubu, oleonard, khall, kidclamp, thd, LeeJ 15:06 kidclamp #info agred, we shoudl add a coding guideline to maintain cookie documentation 15:06 kidclamp #info Joubu suggests also adding notes about cookies/gdpr to release notes 15:06 kidclamp #action cait, please write a codign guideline for cookies 15:07 kidclamp Next meeting June 27th, 21 UTC? 15:08 Joubu yes 15:08 thd The more place people may see references to specific elements of GDPR compliance release notes, etc. as Joubu stated the safer people should be at present from any overzealous enforcement. 15:08 kidclamp #info Next meeting: 27 June 2018, 21 UTC 15:09 kidclamp #endmeeting 15:09 huginn` Meeting ended Wed Jun 13 15:09:07 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 15:09 huginn` Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2018/development_irc_meeting_13_june_2018.2018-06-13-14.01.html 15:09 huginn` Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2018/development_irc_meeting_13_june_2018.2018-06-13-14.01.txt 15:09 huginn` Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2018/development_irc_meeting_13_june_2018.2018-06-13-14.01.log.html 15:09 kidclamp thanks all! 15:09 kidclamp koha++ 15:09 josef_moravec kidclamp++ 15:10 Joubu LeeJ: your turn 15:10 LeeJ I'll be starting the docs meeting in a few minutes..helping someone for a sec :) 15:11 LeeJ #startmeeting Documentation IRC meeting 13 June 2018 15:11 huginn` Meeting started Wed Jun 13 15:11:48 2018 UTC. The chair is LeeJ. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:11 huginn` Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 15:11 huginn` The meeting name has been set to 'documentation_irc_meeting_13_june_2018' 15:12 * ashimema is back.. but on child care duties so still intermittent 15:12 LeeJ #topic Introductions 15:12 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 15:12 LeeJ #info Lee Jamison, Marywood University 15:12 ashimema #info Martin Renvoize - PTFS Europe 15:13 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 15:14 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart 15:14 kidclamp #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions 15:15 LeeJ #topic What's been done so far 15:15 LeeJ #info the docs group has been adding tasks to the koha manual Taiga as necessary to prepare for documenting 18.11 15:16 josef_moravec #info Josef Moravec 15:16 LeeJ #info kidclamp will begin tackling the RM queue beginning Friday June 22, 2018 15:17 kidclamp ;-) 15:17 ashimema kidclamp++ 15:18 LeeJ #topic Next steps 15:18 reiveune bye 15:18 LeeJ #info there is a note on the merging deleted tables for docs (Bug 20271) per kidclamp which will need to be addressed in the documentation 15:18 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20271 major, P1 - high, ---, oha, Passed QA , Merge deleted biblio, biblioitems, biblio_metadata, and items tables with their "alive" cousins 15:19 LeeJ anyone have anything else to add? ashimema anything about your work to add? :) 15:19 LeeJ oh! I just remembered something else to add 15:20 LeeJ #info will be discussing the inclusion of a "GDPR Compliance" section of the manual with a minimum content of adding links to the appropriate wiki pages (i.e. the use of cookies https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Use_of_Cookies) 15:20 Joubu LeeJ: you got a PR, with a schema 15:21 ashimema I was going to create a branch to merge for the above then submit it with the WIP flag until the bug is pushed to master 15:21 LeeJ Joubu: that will be addressed soon but not right now..I'll explain more later 15:21 LeeJ ashimema: a branch for what exactly? 15:22 ashimema Bug_20271 15:23 LeeJ okay 15:23 tcohen hi 15:24 LeeJ #info ashimema will be creating a WIP branch on the manual to handle Bug 20271 15:24 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20271 major, P1 - high, ---, oha, Passed QA , Merge deleted biblio, biblioitems, biblio_metadata, and items tables with their "alive" cousins 15:24 ashimema Anyone else been having issues with gitlab the last few days out of interest? That's what's held me up on submitting it already 15:24 LeeJ tcohen: I can't end meeting you today because we're in the docs meeting :( 15:24 LeeJ ashimema: not me 15:24 tcohen yeah, I love the situation actually 15:24 tcohen haha 15:26 LeeJ anyone have anything else to add before scheduling next meeting? 15:26 kidclamp LeeJ is the best 15:27 kidclamp except for me of course ;-) 15:27 LeeJ kidclamp: agreed ;) 15:28 LeeJ guess we're good 15:28 LeeJ Set time of next meeting 15:29 Joubu wait 15:29 Joubu I'd like to know why nobody cares about bug 19817 15:29 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19817 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Merge local and online documentations 15:29 Joubu but really, why? 15:30 LeeJ Joubu: I'll make sure no one contributes anything until that's taken care of :) 15:30 LeeJ including myself 15:30 * ashimema just hasn't got that far down his list yet Joubu 15:30 tuxayo kivilahtio: great! Do you think that the test plan changes a lot? 15:31 LeeJ ashimema: put it at the top of your list? <3 15:31 Joubu Next meeting on July 4th then? 15:32 LeeJ I just wrote the bug # on my whiteboard in my office so I can work on it and not forget 15:32 ashimema It's very nearly there already 😉 15:32 LeeJ I won't be at work on July 4th because it's a holiday :) 15:34 LeeJ July 13th 21:00? 15:34 Joubu nope, general meeting 15:34 Joubu ha it's at 14 15:35 LeeJ so that would work then? 15:35 Joubu yes 15:36 LeeJ cool 15:36 LeeJ #topic Set time of next meeting 15:37 LeeJ #info Next meeting: 13 July 2018, 21 UTC 15:37 LeeJ #endmeeting 15:37 huginn` Meeting ended Wed Jun 13 15:37:13 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 15:37 huginn` Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2018/documentation_irc_meeting_13_june_2018.2018-06-13-15.11.html 15:37 huginn` Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2018/documentation_irc_meeting_13_june_2018.2018-06-13-15.11.txt 15:37 huginn` Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2018/documentation_irc_meeting_13_june_2018.2018-06-13-15.11.log.html 15:37 LeeJ thanks for coming out everyone :) 15:41 Joubu Friday 21UTC? 15:41 Joubu it was 11th actually 15:45 thd LeeJ: Joubu is correct. You may have mistakenly typed 13 July without enough attention given when 11 July was intended. 15:45 LeeJ ugh 15:46 LeeJ >_> 15:46 * LeeJ needs to start checking his typing in quadruplicate 15:47 thd LeeJ you could have an administrative typo correction meeting just now. 15:47 LeeJ thd: hm? 15:47 LeeJ do tell 15:48 thd Just do startmeeting etc. and fix the date for the next meeting, link the additional log to the wiki, send an email correcting the error to the relevant lists. 15:50 thd Most anyone who was here 10 minutes ago is still here also. 16:00 Tim_A Does anyone know if it's possible or even how to modify item search results fields? 16:05 dani 16:22 oleonard Bug 20935 16:22 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20935 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, ASSIGNED , Redesign system preferences interface 16:26 cait t 16:35 Joubu bug 20934 needed for 18.05.01 16:35 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20934 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Biblio checkout history shows only current checkout 18:49 Laura__MCC_ I am in need of some serials help 18:52 oleonard Laura__MCC_: Ask a specific question so people can reply if they know the answer 18:53 Laura__MCC_ So I am trying to enter Library Journal that comes out on the 1 and 15 for instance I added as a semimonthly and the dates added were 1 and 16 can this be changed in the subscription or is there a better way to do this? 18:55 Laura__MCC_ Question 2 - what are the implications of not entering an end date? 18:58 Laura__MCC_ Question 3: I have been told by EBSCO that they did not have a way to do claims with Koha. Have individuals figured out a work around? 18:59 * oleonard waves goodbye and wishes Laura__MCC_ luck 20:12 zenkit hi does anyone recommend installing koha on a VM environment 20:12 zenkit ? 20:25 lavamind zenkit: I run 120 instances in a VM environment :P 20:26 zenkit :) Thanks lavamind 20:27 lavamind I have a problem where both the opac and intranet base URLs (https://example.com/) return a 404 error 20:31 lavamind I can still login and use the site 20:32 Joubu lavamind: hum? 20:33 lavamind "GET / HTTP/1.1" 404 20:33 lavamind but "GET /cgi-bin/koha/mainpage.pl HTTP/1.1" 200 20:33 * lavamind checks rewrite configs 20:36 lavamind aah, I'm missing mod_dir 20:37 lavamind apache-shared.conf could use a "DirectoryIndex index.html" directive 20:38 lavamind yeah, because index.html is aliased to the correct cgi script 20:39 lavamind but nothing in the Koha configs define index.html as a directory index 20:40 lavamind mod_dir and DierctoryIndex index.html are usually default configurations 20:41 * lavamind is finding out many things using a ground-up setup< 21:35 lavamind I'd be interested to learn how I can minimize memory usage with Plack 21:35 lavamind 200MB per instance is too much 21:45 lavamind is it possible to example only load a part ok Koha (OPAC) into plack ? 21:48 Joubu lavamind: in the psgi file, remove some "use" statements (?) 21:49 lavamind Joubu: yeah I tried that, the effect is very small 21:50 lavamind oh I did it with mount 21:50 zenkit What is the minimum RAM requirement to reflect memcache speed? 21:53 lavamind I commented out all use C4:: and use Koha:: and now it uses more memory :s 22:03 lavamind I think it's way too tricky, I just wont use Plack at all 22:08 wizzyrea 120 instances on one server? 22:08 wizzyrea plack might be heavy for that. 22:10 lavamind it's heavy even for 10 instances 22:10 lavamind same with the indexer daemon 22:10 wizzyrea the indexer you can go around if you're happy to use the cron 22:11 lavamind not so happy to use cron no, because running it doesn't even have time to index all the instances within 5 minutes 22:11 lavamind I used to have it every 15 minutes, and it worked but the machine just kept grinding days and night 22:12 wizzyrea offload zebra to a different server? 22:12 lavamind so eventually I enabled apache access logs and had the cron only trigger when there was activity 22:12 lavamind most the instances are seldom used 22:12 lavamind they're just there for classes and assignments 22:13 lavamind instead of watching apache access logs Ill try watching the zebraqueue table using the commandline and trigerring the reindex as needed 22:14 lavamind having 120 rebuild_index.pl in memory is too heavy 22:14 wizzyrea possibly having 120 koha on one machine is too many. 22:15 lavamind heh, that's my Koha 3.02 setup :p 22:15 lavamind just upgrading it to 18.05 22:15 wizzyrea but koha 3.02 is like 10 years old. 22:15 rangi lavamind: you can disable the indexer, and go bak to the cron job for rebuild zebra 22:15 lavamind hence the upgrade 22:16 lavamind rangi: */10 * * * * root test -x /usr/sbin/koha-rebuild-zebra && koha-rebuild-zebra $(find /var/log/koha -mmin -10 -name intranet-access.log | cut -f5 -d/) 22:16 rangi the indexer runs as a daemon, so much more realtime, but if you switch that off, and put the cron job back in, and just say you might have to wait up to 15 mins for your change to show in search 22:16 rangi yep 22:18 lavamind maybe there's a way to run multiple instances using one Plack daemon 22:18 rangi thats all good as no other jobs (like other crons) change values 22:18 rangi as long as i mean 22:19 rangi like long overdues cron job that makes stuff lost 22:19 rangi but it'll get index after someone looks at koha i guess ;) 22:19 lavamind as far as I know the classes they teach don't use OPAC services at all 22:19 rangi there is a bug for that,and some patches you could try 22:20 rangi i forget the bug number 22:20 lavamind rangi: let me know if you find it 22:20 lavamind for now I have to run 22:20 lavamind thanks btw 22:22 Joubu bug 15562 22:22 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15562 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Needs Signoff , Make Koha more suitable for shared hosting with plack 22:34 zenkit how do i create multiple instances of koha in one server? 22:38 wizzyrea koha-create --create-db instance1 22:38 wizzyrea koha-create --create-db instance2 22:38 wizzyrea koha-create --create-db instance 3 22:38 wizzyrea and so on 22:38 zenkit thanks :wizzyrea 22:38 wizzyrea np 22:38 zenkit How about the ip references 22:39 wizzyrea you can edit the apache config files in /etc/apache2/sites-available/instance1.conf (instance2.conf, instance3.conf, etc.) 22:39 wizzyrea and restart apache 22:40 wizzyrea maybe I'm not understanding what you're referring to as "ip references" 22:41 zenkit i wish to have each instance of koha referenced by a unique ip or port no. 22:41 wizzyrea then yeah, as before 22:42 zenkit is zebra indexing instantiated to index simultaneous? 22:43 wizzyrea pass 22:45 zenkit do i have to do configure anything in koha_config with regard to kohadb instances 22:46 wizzyrea you don't have to, but some things are nice to do 22:46 wizzyrea for example, your domain name is probably not mydnsname.com 22:46 wizzyrea so set that to your one 22:46 wizzyrea you might not like the intranet to have -intra, you might prefer -admin, or -staff 22:46 wizzyrea you might want to set memcached on by default for all new instances, that's in there 22:47 wizzyrea it sets the settings for all new instances 22:47 wizzyrea at least the ones created since you changed your koha_config 22:47 wizzyrea actually I just realised you might be asking a different question 22:48 wizzyrea i.e. "do I have to change anything in the koha-conf.xml related to the database" 22:48 wizzyrea the answer to that question is "no, if you are running the database server locally you do not" 22:48 zenkit related to zebra indexing 22:48 zenkit ... 22:48 wizzyrea if you are running the zebra server locally you shouldn't have to change anything 22:49 wizzyrea don't think too hard about it. 22:50 zenkit :) ok. Let me give it a try and get back to you. 22:50 zenkit thanks a lot wizzyrea 22:50 wizzyrea good luck :90 22:50 wizzyrea :) 23:02 zenkit @wizzyrea i don't if will be suitable to koha on Amazon ec2 t2.nano 512 MB 1vCPU upto 3.3GHz 23:02 huginn` zenkit: downloading the Perl source 23:03 zenkit anyone please... 23:06 wizzyrea that's gonna be tight 23:06 wizzyrea I personally wouldn't go that small, especially if you anticipate any sort of actual usage. 23:07 zenkit 10GB of storage 23:07 zenkit 15,000 biblio 23:07 wizzyrea if you are running multiple instances, that will not be enough. 23:07 wizzyrea not enough even for one really 23:07 wizzyrea Koha isn't a lightweight anymore. 23:09 zenkit yes I realize recently, koha has put on weight 23:11 zenkit how about t2.micro? will that be suitable or your recommendation... 23:12 wizzyrea i wouldn't go with less than 2GB RAM and at least 20-30GB storage. 23:13 wizzyrea idk what the amazon sizes mean anymore I use the catalyst cloud :P 23:16 zenkit yes i c the price in catalyst seems much higher 23:18 zenkit Anyway I'll take your recommendation. thanks 23:24 wizzyrea oh I wasn't saying you should use that, just that I don't know what the names for aws sizes mean. 23:26 zenkit ya, I was referring to the minimum server config 23:28 zenkit I don't know if it would support 50-100 users at a given instance 23:31 wizzyrea 50-100 per instance with like 5 instances on the server? 23:31 wizzyrea each with 15k bibs? 23:31 wizzyrea a very small server, even that would be tight. 23:32 zenkit yes 15k 23:32 zenkit 2GB 20GB Storage 23:32 wizzyrea storage is cheap tho yeah? 23:32 wizzyrea don't skimp. 23:33 wizzyrea you might get away with it on that RAM 23:33 wizzyrea you just... don't wanna be running out of storage every night when you do backups for 5 instances. 23:33 wizzyrea it might be fine 23:34 wizzyrea but idk what all you're planning to keep in your Koha, and thusly don't really feel qualified to size your server. 23:34 zenkit alright i do then will be requiring more Storage 23:34 wizzyrea go as big as you can afford. 23:34 wizzyrea ^advice for life, really. 23:34 zenkit I hope 2GB RAM should fine? 23:35 wizzyrea i guess it's not terrible to size it up in that regard if it's not ok 23:35 wizzyrea work-wise 23:35 wizzyrea go as big as you can afford. 23:35 wizzyrea no, I don't want to say "yes that will be ok" because I really can't say. 23:36 lavamind you definately want more than 2gb of ram with 5 instances and plack 23:37 wizzyrea (I would personally never go that small if I was going to have more than one instance. But I am not you and I don't have your $$ constraints) 23:37 lavamind rangi: bug 15562 is definately what I'm looking for 23:37 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15562 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Needs Signoff , Make Koha more suitable for shared hosting with plack 23:38 zenkit ya need to evaluate on the $ 23:40 zenkit Can we also implement google OAuth for patrons? 23:42 lavamind zenkit: look in https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/ 23:42 lavamind enhancement request are filed there 23:42 wizzyrea yes that's a feature 23:42 wizzyrea i think 23:42 wizzyrea at least someone was working on it 23:46 zenkit I came across the manual. Haven't tried yet. I wish it works well. Interesting feature. After all having multiple logins is a nightmare 23:58 zenkit gtg :wizzyrea c y soon 23:58 zenkit bye