Time  Nick        Message
05:30 fridolin    hie poeple
06:24 alex_a      bonjour
06:31 reiveune    hello
06:31 wahanui     niihau, reiveune
07:18 cait        @wunder Konstanz
07:18 huginn      cait: Konstanz, Germany ::  :: NoneF/NoneC | Thursday: Periods of rain. High 63F. Winds light and variable. Chance of rain 100%. Rainfall near a half an inch. Thursday Night: Rain early. Decreasing clouds overnight. Low 48F. Winds light and variable. Chance of rain 90%.
07:38 gaetan_B    hello
07:53 andreashm   morning #koha
08:00 andreashm   is there an easy way do disable the cache? (koha or apache?) testing some css stuff on a test-server an it's updating slowly
08:03 eythian     won't that be the browser cache?
08:04 andreashm   eythian: no, tried on different browsers. but my coworker is testing using opacusercss instead, works well. so not an issue anymore.
08:12 tuxayo      hi #koha o/
08:22 andreashm   hey tuxayo
08:22 tuxayo      hi andreashm :)
08:24 ashimema    mornin'
08:33 gaetan_B    andreashm: could be plack getting in the way also, i restart plack manually very often when testing these things
08:44 tuxayo      _oftc_ashimema[m]: morning :)
09:53 andreashm   gaetan_B: thanks! that's a good tip. (I missed that you wrote earlier)
11:30 oleonard    Hi all
11:46 ashimema    @wunder Stevenage, UK
11:46 huginn      ashimema: Error: I could not find a valid location for: Stevenage, UK
11:46 ashimema    @wunder Stevenage, GB
11:46 huginn      ashimema: Error: I could not find a valid location for: Stevenage, GB
11:47 oleonard    @wunder 45701
11:47 huginn      oleonard: Athens, OH :: Mostly Cloudy :: 65F/18C | Thursday: Mostly cloudy early, then thunderstorms developing this afternoon. High 79F. Winds NE at 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 80%. Thursday Night: Considerable cloudiness with occasional rain showers. Low 63F. Winds ENE at 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 60%.
12:01 marcelr     hi #koha
12:01 tuxayo      hi marcelr
12:01 marcelr     hi tuxayo
12:08 kidclamp    hi marcelr tuxayo
12:08 kidclamp    tuxayo you messaged me yesterday?
12:09 tuxayo      hi kidclamp
12:09 marcelr     hi kidclamp
12:10 tuxayo      kidclamp: yes it was about this wiki page: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/User:WNickC
12:10 tuxayo      Which seems to be you but outdated ^^
12:10 kidclamp    I am not even WNickC anymore :-)
12:11 oleonard    Good ol' WikiNick
12:11 marcelr     WNickC++
12:12 tuxayo      WNickC++
12:13 oleonard    Anyone remember what year we moved #koha to oftc?
12:15 tuxayo      oleonard: maybe https://wiki.koha-community.org/w/index.php?title=IRC_Regulars&action=historysubmit&diff=4010&oldid=4009
12:15 tuxayo      Not sure how if it was updated without too much lag
12:16 * oleonard  was thinking of nicknames long past https://wiki.koha-community.org/w/index.php?title=IRC_Regulars&diff=prev&oldid=3607
12:18 kidclamp    moved and updated tuxayo
12:19 marcelr     do nicknames expire?
12:20 tuxayo      Yep it's 2011 oleonard
12:20 tuxayo      https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_Meeting,_5_January_2011
12:20 tuxayo      https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_Meeting,_2_February_2011
12:20 tuxayo      Transcript of the 2n meeting confirms this.
12:20 oleonard    marcelr: Many of our old nicknames were taken on the oftc network when we moved from katipo
12:20 marcelr     oops we crossed the 7 years mark
12:21 gveranis    hi all I would like to ask something for cataloguing
12:21 gveranis    it is possible to set a default value for indicators ?
12:22 gveranis    on some fields ? or on save it set the default form MARC ?
12:22 tuxayo      kidclamp++
12:22 tuxayo      For "sonic screwdriver"
12:23 marcelr     gveranis: the new version will contain such features
12:23 marcelr     18.05
12:23 marcelr     talking about indicators here
12:23 gveranis    thanks
12:24 marcelr     the other fields can have already
12:24 marcelr     defaults
12:24 wahanui     defaults are 80 with packages.
12:24 marcelr     wahanui: good to see you
12:24 wahanui     marcelr: what?
12:24 marcelr     yeah
13:06 caroline    Hello everyone!
13:07 marcelr     hello caroline
13:08 tcohen      bonjour
13:09 caroline    Could someone check if the "Holds to pull" list is working? I reserved an available item and it's not appearing in the list...
13:09 marcelr     hi tcohen
13:09 marcelr     did you finish the rest api?
13:09 tcohen      almost there jajaja
13:09 marcelr     great
13:09 marcelr     :)
13:19 oleonard    caroline: It's working for me
13:20 caroline    oleonard: ok, thanks, it must be something I'm doing wrong
13:20 oleonard    caroline: Is your hold from the last couple of days? The report has a very narrow default date range
13:21 caroline    oleonard: yes, I made it yesterday. I even changed the dates to show the reservations from the last year and there's nothing
13:21 oleonard    :/
13:22 caroline    I know... :( I'm trying to document the new feature of being able to mark an item as lost from that list, but it doesn't show any item...
13:22 * LeeJ      waves
13:22 LeeJ        hi #koha
13:22 caroline    hi LeeJ
13:23 marcelr     LeeJ!
13:23 LeeJ        hi caroline marcelr
13:23 caroline    oleonard: my master is up-to-date, so i'm really stumped
13:23 LeeJ        caroline: just merged your request
13:23 marcelr     caroline: did you check if you have a hold on opac-user?
13:23 caroline    LeeJ: thanks!
13:24 caroline    marcelr: how do I check that? What is opac-user?
13:24 marcelr     go to opac and click your username in the bar
13:24 caroline    ah ok!
13:24 caroline    going to check right now
13:25 caroline    but the hold appears in the record on the staff side
13:25 marcelr     ok thats another check
13:25 marcelr     so you know it is there
13:25 LeeJ        marcelr: I greatly appreciate the details/descriptions you add to the authorities enhancements/features...makes our lives easier during documentation :)
13:25 marcelr     cool
13:26 oleonard    caroline: Does the record on hold have no items which aren't lost/damaged/notforloan/withdrawn?
13:26 caroline    the hold is also in the holds queue
13:26 wahanui     okay, caroline.
13:27 caroline    oleonard: there is only one item and it's available
13:27 oleonard    wahanui: the hold?
13:27 wahanui     hmmm... the hold is in the holds queue
13:28 caroline    lol! said like that, it sounds very philosophical
13:28 oleonard    wahanui: my hovercraft?
13:28 wahanui     i don't know, oleonard
13:28 oleonard    tsk
13:29 bag         morning all
13:29 caroline    marcelr: I confirm that the hold shows on in the user's opac account
13:29 caroline    hi bag!
13:29 oleonard    You out of your time zone bag or just up early?
13:30 bag         hehe - up at a normal time for me ;)
13:31 bag         Just commenting in #koha earlier than normal
13:31 oleonard    #koha is like a fresh cup of coffee
13:31 LeeJ        Joubu: around?
13:31 bag         and waiting for the eletric kettle to heat the water ;)
13:36 LeeJ        hiya bag
13:40 tcohen      morning bag, isn't it too early? :-D
13:45 oleonard    Stop tcohen you'll make bag sleepy
13:45 tcohen      hehe
13:46 Guest2933   nick Paul
13:46 LeeJ        caroline: did anyone confirm holds to pull was broken
13:46 LeeJ        ?
13:46 oleonard    LeeJ: It works for me
13:46 caroline    LeeJ: everybody says it's working for them
13:46 LeeJ        hmm
13:47 caroline    but it isnt for me
13:47 marcelr     caroline: maybe you have a hold that has no expirationdate
13:47 marcelr     there was a bug about that
13:47 marcelr     pushed just this week
13:47 caroline    marcelr: I will check
13:47 LeeJ        marcelr++
13:47 marcelr     you should check if all holds have a expirationdate
13:47 marcelr     let me check the bug number
13:47 Guest2933   Hello, anybody are trying to create a rpm type installation package?
13:48 marcelr     caroline: bug 20724
13:48 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20724 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , ReservesNeedReturns syspref breaks "Holds awaiting pickup"
13:48 marcelr     and bug 20773
13:48 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20773 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , bug 20724 follow-up - Database cleanup
13:49 caroline    marcelr: there is no expiration in the staff client. I will check in the database directly
13:49 caroline    hmm.. I chased him away... :/
13:50 marcelr     @later tell Joubu: exception for 18856 ?
13:50 huginn      marcelr: The operation succeeded.
13:51 caroline    marcelr: I confirm there is not expiration date in the database. Isn't the expiration date added when the hold is put in "Waiting"?
13:51 marcelr     that is the new report for
13:52 marcelr     you could do it via command line if you know mysql ?
13:52 marcelr     see the second bug for an example
13:52 caroline    you mean add the expiration date?
13:52 marcelr     yes
13:53 marcelr     hmm
13:53 marcelr     in and out
13:55 caroline    Ok, so I added the expiration date, but there is still nothing in the holds to pull
13:56 caroline    Is there a script I'm supposed to run? Like build_holds_queue but for the holds to pull?
13:57 oleonard    No
14:01 marcelr     have to go
14:05 LeeJ        caroline: holds to pull doesn't use a script...in the pendingreserves.pl file there's a SQL query (line 173 on current master) that collects all unfilled holds of items that are not checked out
14:05 LeeJ        :)
14:06 caroline    LeeJ: That's what I figured. It worked instantly in my 17.05 version in production, but it doesn't work in my master
14:06 LeeJ        that's unusual
14:07 caroline    I really don't know what's wrong. I've git pulled and fetched and statused and logged, and everything seems up to date
14:08 LeeJ        if you comment a test plan in task #291 I'll see if I run into the same problem :)
14:08 caroline    ok, will do
14:09 caroline    But it's pretty straightforward. Place a hold on an available item, see if it's in the Holds to pull list
14:13 LeeJ        mhm
14:15 LeeJ        caroline: well I've been reading a book called Pragmatic Programmer and one of its key suggestions was attempting to reproduce bugs by following exact steps because each person may test different ways :)
14:16 caroline    :) It's what I do with my clients too. And my colleagues can't believe the test plans I write for them ;) lol!
14:16 LeeJ        hahaha
14:16 caroline    a gazillion steps, lol!
14:17 LeeJ        I used to be the test subject for one of our campus trainers when she was my supervisor years ago
14:17 LeeJ        she documented the same way :)
14:19 eythian     Yes, explicit atomic steps is always the best way
14:19 eythian     It removes unconscious assumptions, too.
14:20 LeeJ        yes!
14:20 LeeJ        atomic-steps++
14:20 LeeJ        the book has really opened my eyes to an entirely different way of writing code
14:26 tcohen      alex_a: around?
14:26 alex_a      tcohen, \o
14:27 tcohen      I'm outlining a new RFC for accountlines, can we zoom or hangouts?
14:27 tcohen      a couple minutes
14:27 alex_a      accountlines?
14:27 wahanui     hmmm... accountlines is the table
14:28 alex_a      Are you talking about REST API?
14:28 tcohen      alex_a: bug 15165
14:28 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15165 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, alex.arnaud, In Discussion , REST API routes to list, edit and pay borrower's accountlines
14:28 alex_a      tcohen, ok
14:28 tcohen      yes, the API
14:28 tcohen      do you use zoom?
14:28 LeeJ        caroline: followed your test plan and I got holds to pull results
14:29 caroline    LeeJ: :((((
14:29 alex_a      hangout if you want (but speak very very very slowly please :) )
14:29 LeeJ        caroline: are you on kohadevbox? have you tried a reset_all?
14:29 alex_a      tcohen, ^
14:29 tcohen      ok
14:31 caroline    LeeJ: no, I have an installation on my computer (It was installed during my first week, so don't ask me details, I don't remember much ;) ) I git pull when I need to work n it so it's up-to-date. And I don't do any development, so I'm not branhcing out or anything
14:31 LeeJ        O.o
14:31 LeeJ        that's odd...
14:31 Joubu       hi all
14:31 * LeeJ      waves to Joubu
14:32 caroline    hi Joubu
14:32 LeeJ        Joubu: noticed in the release notes it now lists 1 less enhancement..?
14:34 Joubu       LeeJ: it's bug 20540
14:34 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20540 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , TransformHtmlToXml can duplicate the datafield close tag
14:34 caroline    LeeJ: currently my "HEAD" is at c1c7f5e (HEAD -> master, origin/master, origin/HEAD) - Lee Jamison : Bug 7143: Update about page for documentation team, but I saw that bug 20724 was pushed yesterday so I may be missing stuff...?
14:34 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Bug for tracking changes to the about page
14:34 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20724 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , ReservesNeedReturns syspref breaks "Holds awaiting pickup"
14:39 Joubu       caroline: git fetch origin
14:39 Joubu       well, then rebase. But it means your repo is not up-to-date
14:40 caroline    Joubu: I fetched and it says my branch is up-to-date with origin/master
14:41 tcohen      Joubu: if you agree with my PR, then I will add jq to kohadevbox
14:41 Joubu       caroline: sorry, I did not check, c1c7f5e is indeed the current master :)
14:42 Joubu       tcohen: where is your PR?
14:42 caroline    Joubu: :) yay!
14:43 caroline    So I'm not missing any developments, that doesn't help my problem, but it's reassuring nonetheless
14:43 tcohen      koha-misc4dev
14:43 tcohen      ?
15:01 cait        kidclamp++
15:10 caroline    cait: question about capitalization: in the middle of a sentence, should I remove the capital letters for specific types of information? For example: Enter a code for your Authorized value into the 'Authorized value' field.
15:11 caroline    Should it be Enter a code for your authorized value into the 'Authorized value' field
15:11 caroline    Or "Authorized value" is like a set term in Koha?
15:13 caroline    Later on, there is this sentence "New authorized values can be added to any existing or new category."
15:13 caroline    So I guess in the middle of a sentence we don't use capital letters?
15:17 huginn      News from kohagit: Bug 19862: Turn off RoutingListAddReserves on new installations <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=45b6ea652797288d2910b121e3009696c847791d>
15:17 huginn      News from kohagit: Bug 18856: (QA follow-up) Rename method to avoid confusion <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1cb0147affce54f19004173456ff2f8027767b30>
15:17 huginn      News from kohagit: Bug 18856: Don't show cancel option for waiting holds in OPAC <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=710c0e5df644731cee15f91b4ebc62924f7f85c9>
15:17 alex_a      tcohen++
15:26 ashimema    Do we really still recomment/require the use of Modern::Perl for new code.. without even specifying a year pragma?
15:26 Joubu       yes
15:27 ashimema    ok
15:36 reiveune    bye
16:10 jm          hola
16:27 caroline    LeeJ: are you there?
16:30 Joubu       @later tell rangi release notes have a link to the kohadocs repo, should I update the url with https://gitlab/koha-community/koha-manual (or we stick with "kohadocs")?
16:30 huginn      Joubu: The operation succeeded.
16:40 huginn      News from kohagit: Release notes for 18.05.00-rc2 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cb8b0824ff94380cffb200ecdccae23df1f2314f>
16:40 huginn      News from kohagit: Bug 18786: Add PAYMENT_TYPE to the installer file <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5de40713a518f02a4cc6e4f4898bd78fee287ee0>
16:41 sen         jm: asking here would be best, PMing random people in the channel isn't the best way
16:49 fer         Hello everyone. Could someone tell me how to access opac from the internet? Please. At the moment I can only do it locally.
16:59 oleonard    fer: Your question is a general server-related question rather than a Koha-specific one, so you might try searching the web for documentation related to your server. Apache probably.
17:09 LeeJ        caroline: sorry! I am now
17:09 caroline    LeeJ: no problem!
17:09 LeeJ        what's up?
17:09 caroline    Well, I already sent my merge request, but I was wondering if you were very picky on separating each change in different commits?
17:10 caroline    I was going through the administration chapter to fix the capitalization and I noticed one section was obsolete
17:10 caroline    so I changed it but I didn't do two different commits
17:11 LeeJ        caroline: I don't really have a preference. I'm only hesitant if it's more than 10+ changes (excluding typos/capitalization)
17:11 caroline    10+ lines you mean?
17:12 caroline    You might have to go trough what I did, there is a lot of changes for capitalization (like 200+)
17:12 LeeJ        more or less, yes
17:12 LeeJ        caroline: yours are fine..merging now
17:12 caroline    but the Koha to MARC mapping is fairly small
17:13 caroline    I will try to make smaller commits in the future.
17:13 LeeJ        my largest concern would be adding say every new feature into a single commit
17:13 caroline    Ah ok, I understand
17:13 LeeJ        your current volume is fine caroline!
17:13 caroline    :)
17:15 LeeJ        caroline: I'm urging for smaller commits because last release I submitted a merge to cait that had something like 40+ lines
17:16 LeeJ        but also because if your edits timeout then many more have to get fixed
17:21 LeeJ        caroline: I'm going to try to tackle as many enhancements as I can today
17:21 caroline    LeeJ: In the Patrons chapter it says that only patrons with "Staff" type categories can have permissions. I have not found that to be true. Can you confirm?
17:23 caroline    LeeJ: in the "new features" I'm not comfortable with the API and architechture features. I'd rather not do them. I'll work on the Self-checkout thing, and I'lll move on to enhancements after
17:24 LeeJ        caroline: regarding permissions, it has not been true for us. We have students with permissions
17:25 LeeJ        caroline: I'll have a go at them and see how I make out
17:25 caroline    LeeJ: same here. I will remove that specification
17:27 LeeJ        caroline: thank you! :)
17:27 * LeeJ      waves to cait
18:58 caroline    LeeJ or cait, how do I add a reference to a chapter heading? Specifically Course reserves. There is no _course-reserves-label
18:59 LeeJ        hmm..not sure
19:00 caroline    I'll point the reference to the first *-label in the course reserves chapter for now
19:00 LeeJ        okay :)
19:04 Joubu       caroline: http://www.sphinx-doc.org/en/master/ext/autosectionlabel.html
19:07 caroline    Thanks Joubu! I had noticed those I wasn't sure what the difference was. I would still prefer to point to a *-label since heading can change
19:09 Joubu       caroline: yes, I think it's better to use label. Otherwise if the title is changed, the link will be broken
19:14 caroline    Joubu: so, should I add a label at the top of the chapter?
19:20 pastebot    "LeeJ" at pasted "tcohen just tried spinning up a box w/ ES enabled and got this" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/50
19:20 LeeJ        just an FYI
19:21 tcohen      LeeJ: please ping drojf
19:21 LeeJ        kk
19:22 tcohen      its a dependency issue in master packages it sems
19:23 LeeJ        @later tell drojf tcohen told me to ping you about this..he said it appears to be a dependency issue in master packages. I got this error during koha-common install step when spinning up a kohadevbox with ES enabled http://paste.koha-community.org/50
19:23 huginn      LeeJ: The operation succeeded.
19:24 tcohen      thanks LeeJ
19:24 tcohen      #endmeeting
19:24 LeeJ        thank you for giving me some direction for it tcohen
19:58 cait        or add a label - that's what I did
19:59 cait        caroline: what Joubu said ... should scroll down. will also be safer for translations
20:00 caroline    cait: ?
20:00 caroline    I added a label
20:00 cait        sorry, might be slightyl confused today :)
20:00 cait        labels are good
20:01 caroline    labels++
20:01 caroline    ;)
20:17 * andreashm waves
20:17 caroline    hi andreashm!
20:18 andreashm   tcohen: woho! rest api accountlines RFC! yay!
20:18 andreashm   hi caroline
20:45 * LeeJ      waves to andreashm
20:46 * LeeJ      is trying to get devbox with ES to work and failing horribly