Time  Nick        Message
21:34 ashimema    Nighty night #koha
21:33 magnuse     g'night #koha!
21:32 rangi       ill take a look
21:32 rangi       yeah
21:32 cait        but there it's happening inside the plugin
21:32 rangi       cool
21:32 cait        it should be possible it hink so too
21:31 cait        but that's not quite the same
21:31 rangi       im pretty sure I can write it with js, but was wondering if someone had already done something
21:31 cait        all i can think of is the way some of the 00x plugins work
21:31 rangi       what im talking about is you put a topic, then a subtopic, and that subtopic list changes based on the topic you picked
21:31 cait        bye caroline:)
21:31 magnuse     have fun caroline
21:30 rangi       good night caroline
21:30 caroline    Well, I'm off to my nephew's 17th birthday bbq (17 already, i feel so old). Good night everyone!
21:30 rangi       has anyone done a plugin thingy for the cataloguing interface, that when you change a dropdown on one subfield, it changes the values in another drop down
21:30 * magnuse   does not have any customers north of the arctic circle yet, but is working on it
21:30 cait        proven to work in the cold
21:30 cait        a nice slogan
21:30 cait        hehe
21:30 rangi       more mundane question
21:29 rangi       and you artic circle folks :)
21:29 rangi       by public libraries in nunavut ;)
21:28 rangi       it's been proven to work in the cold
21:28 magnuse     no reason for them not to use it! :-)
21:28 rangi       so maybe in the future one will use Koha :)
21:27 rangi       there are 2 libraries there
21:27 * magnuse   would want to go to kohacon in antarctica
21:27 caroline    No Koha libraries there so far, I guess
21:27 rangi       :)
21:27 rangi       we've done all the continents except antartica
21:26 magnuse     i think you nailed it the first time :-)
21:26 rangi       i forget how to spell it
21:26 rangi       oceanania ? i
21:26 cait        yah :)
21:25 rangi       its been 10 years since oceania :)
21:25 magnuse     and i hope we all agree that nz can host in 2020 if they want to :-)
21:25 rangi       means it moves around the world more
21:25 rangi       usa now, next earliest time in north american is 2021
21:25 caroline    ok!
21:25 rangi       yep
21:25 magnuse     so if europe gets 2019, the next time it can be in europe is 2022
21:24 rangi       greece 2016 means europe 2019 is ok
21:24 rangi       not on the same continent within 3
21:23 caroline    How does the rotation work? One year per continent?
21:23 magnuse     and 2022 if sweden gets 2019
21:23 magnuse     so 2021 at the earliest
21:22 magnuse     curently, the date for that is sometime in 2020
21:22 magnuse     norway has mostly been me talking about how cool it would be to have kohacon in the new library in oslo sometime after they open, i think
21:17 ashimema    Wasn't there already also talk from Ireland and Norway for proposals for next conf
21:16 ashimema    Kohacon19 plans already aye..  Blimey
21:16 ashimema    cait++ for removing misc
21:14 andreashm   ok, now of to bed. bye #koha
21:13 magnuse     andreashm++
21:12 magnuse     w00t!
21:06 rangi       yay!
21:04 andreashm   So, a page is up: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Kohacon19_Proposals
20:40 * andreashm goes over to the wiki to add a page
20:38 rangi       :)
20:38 andreashm   second is on me.
20:38 andreashm   rangi: looking forward to that too!
20:38 rangi       excellent, first beer (or beverage of your choice) is on me
20:38 andreashm   (KohaCon, not the grants)
20:37 andreashm   lots of Swedes coming to Portland this year too. The Swedish User Group has travel grants. looking forward to it!
20:37 rangi       heh
20:37 * andreashm puts both hands up
20:36 caroline    cool! I'll start saving $$ :)
20:36 cait        being the first to put a hand up is not a bad thing :)
20:36 andreashm   caroline: we hope so. =)
20:36 rangi       maybe :)
20:36 caroline    kohacon19 is going to be in Sweden?
20:35 rangi       and put kohacon19 on the agenda for next irc meeting so that people can start discussing timelines (maybe note prefer voting in august or something)
20:35 andreashm   rangi: cool. that much we can do, after all. =)
20:35 rangi       yep, so id do a page, with "Sweden" "details to come"
20:35 andreashm   we will, perhaps I should write
20:34 andreashm   we are
20:34 rangi       indicating that you're going to pull one together is a good idea tho
20:34 rangi       yep
20:34 andreashm   but there need to be some time to put together a proposal too.
20:34 rangi       andreashm: yeah, but just putting up a bit of a placeholder with your names in .. is a good start
20:34 andreashm   rangi: yeah, of course.
20:34 cait        night LeeJ
20:33 cait        np :)
20:33 wahanui     goodnight LeeJ. You'll be back.
20:33 LeeJ        night all!
20:33 rangi       you kinda want it decided with as much time to give people chance to start getting funding etc
20:33 andreashm   Just talking for ourselves of course. =)
20:33 LeeJ        cait: I'll look tomorrow...I need to head out while there's a break in the weather
20:33 andreashm   (GDPR and all)
20:33 * andreashm would prefer to have it after summer. lots of work for the end of the semester
20:32 andreashm   oh, mid january. that was early.
20:32 rangi       the longer people have, the more people can come etc
20:32 rangi       and put it on the agenda for the next meeting
20:32 rangi       copy that page and start a kohacon19_proposals one
20:31 rangi       https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon18_Proposals
20:31 wahanui     it has been said that hehe is that a bad thing or a good thing? ;-)
20:31 andreashm   hehe...
20:31 rangi       its already winter! :)
20:31 * andreashm was under the impression it would be for the fall. for some reason
20:31 rangi       what i would do
20:31 rangi       andreashm: i reckon now!
20:30 andreashm   (going back to the KohaCon discussion)
20:30 andreashm   rangi: is the time for 2019 proposals soon?
20:30 LeeJ        I'm adding a new Closed status now
20:30 cait        I was looking for that but didn't spot it
20:29 caroline    LeeJ, cait isn't it that you have to manually change the status of the user story?
20:29 LeeJ        cait: looking now..
20:29 rangi       :)
20:29 LeeJ        I'll talk to people to see if we can submit a proposal for then :)
20:27 LeeJ        rangi: :D
20:27 rangi       ohhh you are in scranton LeeJ? so probably 2021 next chance for US again :)
20:27 cait        documenation housekeeping > break up...
20:26 LeeJ        which story were you doing? cleanup?
20:26 cait        https://tree.taiga.io/project/ldjamison-kohadocs-1805/epics
20:26 cait        why does it still show in progress?
20:26 cait        now all tasks of my user story are finished
20:26 LeeJ        cait: hm?
20:26 cait        LeeJ: taiga question
20:26 LeeJ        rangi: yay!
20:25 LeeJ        cait: merged! :) looks good as usual!
20:25 rangi       (20th birthday back home :))
20:24 rangi       2020 NZ
20:24 rangi       speaking of which we need to start proposals for 2019
20:24 cait        no more spotted for the moment
20:24 cait        ok, fixed link
20:24 rangi       i think this one should be pretty biggish
20:23 LeeJ        I'd love to try to have my campus host it sometime..just have to figure out how to pitch it to the ones in charge :)
20:22 cait        greece where almost 250 i think
20:22 cait        depends a bit on the place
20:20 LeeJ        how many usually attend kohacon?
20:19 LeeJ        haha
20:19 rangi       :)
20:19 rangi       i wonder who else I can convince to do that
20:19 rangi       ahh bummer
20:19 rangi       i reckon a live demo of editing it, as part of the main conf, might help show how not tricky it is
20:19 LeeJ        rangi: if I could have afforded the trip I would have :(
20:18 rangi       LeeJ: will you be doing a talk on documentation stuff at kohacon?
20:18 cait        happy that people share my opinion about misc :)
20:18 rangi       cait++
20:18 andreashm   cait++
20:18 LeeJ        exactly!
20:18 rangi       :)
20:18 rangi       misc has no place ever in anything
20:18 rangi       yay!
20:17 LeeJ        cait has been doing a great job of helping clean up the manual...she got rid of the misc chapter :D
20:17 rangi       so yuo can be all reading them on your kindle and what not
20:17 rangi       ah yes, it is doing the epubs too
20:17 rangi       https://koha-community.org/manual/18.05/en/epub/ for example
20:16 rangi       im not sure if it is still doing the epubs too
20:16 LeeJ        :)
20:16 rangi       https://koha-community.org/manual/18.05/en/html/ https://koha-community.org/manual/18.05/zh_TW/html/  for example
20:15 LeeJ        now I know where to look...just wanted to make sure everything looked right
20:15 LeeJ        thanks for the info :)
20:15 rangi       (but put them in a different place)
20:15 rangi       it will do the same on the 17.11 branch too
20:15 rangi       for each language in the locales
20:15 LeeJ        that's fun to watch lol
20:15 LeeJ        gotcha
20:14 rangi       https://gitlab.com/koha-community-devs-users/kohadocs/-/jobs/68446564
20:14 rangi       the CI tool builds and scps the files
20:14 LeeJ        ah
20:14 rangi       see there
20:14 rangi       automatic
20:14 LeeJ        rangi: cron based or automatic?
20:14 rangi       https://gitlab.com/koha-community-devs-users/kohadocs/-/jobs
20:13 rangi       LeeJ: currently it gets done automatically
20:13 LeeJ        rangi: so does the docs HTML get automatically updated? Or does something have to be done manually?
20:12 rangi       heya LeeJ
20:11 * LeeJ      waves to rangi
20:10 huginn      rangi: The operation succeeded.
20:10 rangi       @later tell natec probably me
20:09 cait        not sure how that works right now
20:09 cait        i noticed that the po files in the repo are not kept up to date
20:09 cait        will send an email to bernardo aboutp o files
20:06 LeeJ        merged :)
20:05 LeeJ        ok :)
20:05 cait        i found some links to fix from earlier patches, working on those now, then declaring restructuring finished
20:04 LeeJ        lol
20:04 cait        LeeJ: it's dead.
20:02 huginn      cait: Konstanz, Germany ::  :: NoneF/NoneC | Tuesday: Cloudy, periods of rain. Lows overnight in the upper 40s. Tuesday Night: Rain showers early will evolve into a more steady rain overnight. Low 48F. Winds WSW at 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 80%.
20:02 cait        @wunder Konstanz
19:51 andreashm   =)
19:51 LeeJ        andreashm: not as much as I do ;)
19:49 andreashm   LeeJ: hope it will get better soon!
19:47 LeeJ        it could be bright and sunny one minute and the next it will be storming
19:46 LeeJ        our weather is bi-polar
19:46 LeeJ        that's not nice :(
19:45 huginn      andreashm: Stockholm, Sweden :: Clear :: 64F/18C | Tuesday: Clear. Lows overnight in the upper 40s. Tuesday Night: Clear skies. Low 48F. Winds light and variable.
19:45 andreashm   @wunder Stockholm
19:45 LeeJ        andreashm: >_>
19:45 huginn      LeeJ: Scranton, PA :: Thunderstorm :: 63F/17C | Tuesday: Strong thunderstorms likely. Damaging winds and large hail with some storms. High 86F. Winds WNW at 15 to 25 mph. Chance of rain 90%. Tuesday Night: Cloudy. A stray shower or thunderstorm is possible. Low 54F. Winds N at 5 to 10 mph.
19:45 LeeJ        @wunder 18509
19:44 andreashm   almost afraid to mention that we have had terrific wether in Sweden the last week.
19:43 andreashm   LeeJ: ouch.
19:39 LeeJ        :(
19:39 LeeJ        caroline: right now it's a torrential downpour outside
19:38 LeeJ        cait: looking forward to it :)
19:35 cait        will make a patch, you can take a look then :)
19:34 cait        hm at least if you want to make it preformatted it needs fixing
19:34 cait        line breaks are wrong etc
19:34 cait        the formatting has been badly mangled anyway by the conversion of the manual
19:34 cait        LeeJ: i will move the isbd to the wiki
19:30 caroline    Ugh, I see the storms on the radar. They're thin though, shouldn't last too long
19:28 LeeJ        cait: now it's actually merged ;)
19:28 LeeJ        caroline: Pennsylvania
19:27 caroline    LeeJ: where are you?
19:27 cait        https://gitlab.com/koha-community-devs-users/kohadocs/merge_requests/113
19:27 cait        hm yeah we had some lightning earlier, but not much happened since
19:27 cait        last one is still open :)
19:26 LeeJ        FYI my power might go out here...extremely bad thunderstorms and tornado watches :-\
19:26 LeeJ        already merged :)
19:21 cait        work for you
19:04 LeeJ        yay!
19:04 cait        catalouging guides
19:04 cait        i think i found a good spot for the xslt material type icons
19:04 cait        maybe
19:01 LeeJ        cait: perhaps have the defaults moved to the wiki then add a link to the top of the syspref section linking to it?
19:01 cait        i feel the item types might fit into a catalouging help thing
19:00 cait        i guess to help people misconfiguring theirs
19:00 LeeJ        cait: do you know the reasoning behind them being there?
19:00 cait        i am still torn about hte usefulness of the pref defaults
18:59 wahanui     bye oleopard
18:59 LeeJ        bye oleonard
18:59 oleonard    see y'all later
18:58 LeeJ        cait++
18:58 LeeJ        :D
18:58 cait        (with my patches)
18:57 cait        https://koha-community.org/manual/18.05/en/html/miscellaneous.html#reset-the-zebra-index
18:57 cait        the only ones left now are the first and hte last
18:57 cait        ok
18:57 cait        yeah
18:56 LeeJ        misc is so....vague
18:56 LeeJ        I agree
18:56 LeeJ        haha
18:56 cait        those are the worst
18:56 LeeJ        what is? the misc section?
18:56 cait        it's like receiving support emails named 'misc'
18:56 cait        i think it's a pet peeve...
18:55 LeeJ        cait: I don't see why not as long as each subsection in misc is accounted for elsewhere :)
18:55 cait        and then i only need to figure out the sysprefs default and the itemtype cataloguing stuff
18:54 cait        i'd like to move printers into a hardware chapter
18:54 cait        LeeJ: can i destroy misc ?
18:48 mtompset    -- unless I'm in a bad mood. :)
18:48 mtompset    Of course, I live in a world of pink unicorns, and everyone is best. ;)
18:47 mtompset    I third it, if we even need to go that far. :)
18:46 cait        hmpf :)
18:46 LeeJ        I second oleonard
18:46 oleonard    cait: Yeah-huh.
18:45 cait        nah
18:44 LeeJ        cait: you're the best :D
18:44 cait        yay :)
18:42 LeeJ        mtompset: hiya
18:42 mtompset    Greetings, LeeJ
18:41 LeeJ        cait: merged :)
18:39 * LeeJ      waves to mtompset
18:38 cait        and link directly to the manual
18:38 cait        for next release
18:38 cait        this will be an interim fix, we plan to  get rid of the help pages
18:38 cait        mtompset: we can't do that at the moment in the gui
18:37 cait        LeeJ: next merge request :)
18:37 mtompset    If someone wishes to expand it to across languages, we'd need to add an id attribute into the anchor reference, and then we could scrape it more precisely. :)
18:35 mtompset    If you fail to apply all three patches, the test will fail. :)
18:34 mtompset    The test is currently limited to English, because it scrapes the URL.
18:33 drojf       good night #koha
18:33 cait        'from a suggestion' option is used to create an order from it.
18:33 cait        also english? This notice is sent to the patron who made a suggestion, when the
18:30 mtompset    Because checking 190ish pages is a pain!
18:30 mtompset    It makes testing easier. :)
18:30 mtompset    And that's why I wrote that crazy test script.
18:28 cait        mtompset: cool, trying to find someone to qa
18:25 huginn      mtompset: LeeJ was last seen in #koha 3 minutes and 53 seconds ago: <LeeJ> caroline: by the way, that browse results syspref DOES work after following the test plan...I left the link to it in the task
18:25 mtompset    @seen LeeJ
18:25 huginn      mtompset: downloading the Perl source
18:25 mtompset    @seenm LeeJ
18:25 caroline    It wasn't what I was expecting, i misread the syspref
18:24 caroline    LeeJ: yes, I saw the link!
18:24 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20706 critical, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Signed Off , Fix links to help files for changed file structure (removed numbering on files)
18:24 mtompset    I signed off bug 20706... and tweaked the test I added so it wasn't a hard coded list. :)
18:23 huginn      mtompset: cait was last seen in #koha 7 minutes and 15 seconds ago: <cait>       made in order to confirm the request.
18:23 mtompset    @seen cait
18:23 mtompset    Greetings, #koha.
18:22 LeeJ        caroline: by the way, that browse results syspref DOES work after following the test plan...I left the link to it in the task
18:17 LeeJ        caroline: right?! And then on July 1 I get a fresh batch of leave time for the next year :)
18:16 LeeJ        cait: yes it is!
18:16 caroline    oh no, poor you! ;)
18:16 cait        made in order to confirm the request.
18:16 cait        This notice is sent to the patron when an article request has been
18:16 cait        is that an english sentence?
18:16 LeeJ        I'm a workaholic so it will be hard beinh away so much
18:16 cait        so do it :)
18:16 LeeJ        I have 15 vacation days to use before July 1st :(
18:16 caroline    cait: you keep busy on vacation!
18:15 cait        caroline: just on vacation heh
18:13 caroline    not right now, I'm too busy trying to make my marketing guy happy ;)
18:13 LeeJ        so are you caroline!
18:12 caroline    cait: you are on fire! :)
18:10 LeeJ        that's awesome
18:10 LeeJ        cait: I didn't know we already started to put the style guide together! :D
18:09 cait        ordered lists
18:09 cait        https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/ReStructuredText_-_Tips_and_Tricks
18:08 LeeJ        yep!
18:07 cait        you saw 3 ocmmits right? heh
18:07 LeeJ        :D
18:07 cait        wow fast :)
18:07 LeeJ        cait: merged! Looks great! :)
18:05 LeeJ        okay
18:05 cait        LeeJ: merge request submitted
18:04 huginn      News from kohagit: Bug 20437: Force the dependency on HTTP::OAI < 4.0 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=05ebfaf0c04cce35933f81e48de95b307da1c325>
18:04 huginn      News from kohagit: Bug 20693: Plack fails, because 'libcgi-emulate-psgi-perl' package is not installed <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f9e06c38495ad9b7c14a9866414c229da92833db>
18:04 huginn      News from kohagit: Bug 20693: Update control file <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2a6cad2fa9d8e4419be7538949b4ce9a758d0e9b>
18:04 huginn      News from kohagit: Bug 20437: Update debian/control <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9b31bc2d27c6e045a6e7ea079778c47674c135db>
18:02 cait        totally right about that
18:02 cait        ashimema++
18:02 cait        hoping the english is ok
18:01 LeeJ        cait: I'll be looking forward to it! :)
18:01 cait        LeeJ: i will have another brnach with a few patches for you soon
18:00 cait        thx
18:00 cait        yep
17:59 cait        ashimema: maybe it was the missing .
17:58 LeeJ        thanks ashimema!
17:54 ashimema    As I said.. I've dabbled with sphinx a few time before.. You guys are doing a great job 😀
17:52 LeeJ        good find!
17:52 LeeJ        ashimema: :O
17:52 ashimema    http://www.sphinx-doc.org/en/master/usage/restructuredtext/basics.html#lists-and-quote-like-blocks
17:50 ashimema    You need the period
17:50 ashimema    #. For ordered lists cait
17:48 cait        hm?
17:48 LeeJ        I've been looking in gitlab settings for some sort of key
17:47 cait        we can try and clean them up later if we figure it out
17:47 cait        i followed that for now
17:47 LeeJ        >_>
17:47 cait        in notices there are some lists numbered manually
17:47 cait        i was wondering
17:45 LeeJ        I can't find an example of numbered lists..only unordered..
17:38 LeeJ        let's see...
17:36 cait        :)
17:36 cait        numbered lists
17:35 LeeJ        cait: hm?
17:35 cait        maybe something about my spaces
17:35 cait        but doesn't seem to do it
17:35 cait        hm according to docs # shoudl auto number
17:34 LeeJ        variations...ugh lol
17:34 cait        i'd handle them separately and maybe something like a see also ote to the other?
17:33 cait        we renamed the old one to match with the new one
17:33 cait        i thnk one is a rename and the other is new?
17:33 LeeJ        thanks :)
17:33 cait        looking
17:31 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20291 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nick, RESOLVED FIXED, Add a StaffLoginInstructions system preference to add text to the staff client login box
17:31 LeeJ        cait: I'm not sure how to handle/split up the two prefs for Bug 20291
17:31 LeeJ        cait: it's also one word in computer design so we're good :)
17:31 cait        also good :)
17:30 LeeJ        cait: I tried googling tool bar and it suggested toolbar so yes one word :)
17:30 LeeJ        hmm
17:29 * oleonard  will try to stay put for a while
17:29 cait        wb oleonard :)
17:27 * cait      decides on toolbar
17:25 cait        LeeJ: toolbar or tool bar?
17:00 LeeJ        :D
17:00 * LeeJ      cheers cait on
16:54 LeeJ        kidclamp++ # for adding detailed info for the novelist staff client syspref :)
16:46 cait        ok :)
16:46 LeeJ        so some of it might be outdated but at least it's all there
16:46 LeeJ        cait: if memory serves, the "missing sections" user story was added just for us to migrate all the content from the framapad at the time
16:45 LeeJ        yes please
16:45 LeeJ        cait: thank you :)
16:45 cait        some seem alrady in, just mark closed?
16:45 cait        LeeJ: looking a bit at the missing sections
16:44 LeeJ        4 of the new sys prefs documented..only 15 more to go
16:34 LeeJ        Joubu: thanks!
16:19 cait        oh i found one actually
16:19 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19794 minor, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Rename RLIST - Routing list notice template as it's not related to routing lists
16:19 cait        LeeJ: where do I add a taiga task for bug 19794?
16:14 Joubu       LeeJ: it's staff only, 10858 will be for OPAC (not pushed yet)
16:12 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10858 new feature, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, In Discussion , Browse selected biblios - OPAC
16:12 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19290 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, RESOLVED FIXED, Browse selected biblios - Staff
16:12 LeeJ        Joubu: am I correct in my understanding that the BrowseResultSelection syspref is OPAC only? Bug 19290 indicates it's for the OPAC but then it appears Bug 10858 points it towards being used in intranet. Basically, should I include the syspref under OPAC or elsewhere?
16:11 cait        ashimema: we are using gitlab, you will like it ;)
16:11 ashimema    It's not the submitting a patch I have problems with.. Gitlab is nicer than bugzilla 😉 and I've used sphinx for a couple of years myself. It's more to do with tying the two things together between a Gitlab PR and a bugzilla patch going through qa etc..
16:09 LeeJ        ashimema: I'm always available for lessons :)
16:09 ashimema    I'm still not sure about doc process to be honest.. It would be good to submit manual patches in parallel to the code patches
16:02 LeeJ        what cait said!
16:01 wahanui     mailing lists are http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/
16:01 bag         mailing lists?
16:00 cait        ashimema: even better to submit a patch to the manual :)
15:59 LeeJ        :)
15:59 LeeJ        ashimema: for the record, it's primarily important for new features and enhancements :
15:59 LeeJ        but really though...it makes it such a smoother process if we don't have to go through potentially hundreds of comments to find information about what something does :)
15:58 LeeJ        ashimema: :D
15:58 * ashimema  takes note to give better detail info for such patches in the future ;)
15:57 * LeeJ      would like to thank the devs who provide detailed information about system preferences in bug reports
15:55 NateC       Who is the best person to refer someone to who is having issues with general mailing list? Wizzyrea? Rangi?
15:54 NateC       Hi Everyone!!
15:44 * oleonard  bbl
15:39 drojf       tcohen: you can use --version with dh-make-perl i think. what i did is dget -x with the dsc file that is in jessie
15:29 kidclamp    jajm++
15:05 cait        yep thx
15:05 tcohen      just giving you info
15:05 cait        just wondering
15:05 cait        it's alright
15:05 tcohen      ashimema++ # Relase Maintainer!
15:04 tcohen      and we ight be inconsistent on that regard
15:04 tcohen      the first attempt from jajm (from which I borrowed the code) had a different (than OAuth2) terminology
15:03 tcohen      cait: you should talk about client ID and secret I think
15:01 reiveune    bye
14:59 tcohen      what was the way to build specific versions of cpan moduleS?
14:59 tcohen      drojf: I just picked libhttp-oai-perl from jessie
14:54 AndrewIsh   Joubu:  Looking at, for example opac/opac-issue-note.pl, C4::Scrubber::scrub is called on a note field. Which, looking at http://search.cpan.org/~nigelm/HTML-Scrubber-0.17/lib/HTML/Scrubber.pm appears to remove the unwanted content. I too am sanitizing a notes field, so was going to follow the example of opac-issue-note.pl
14:53 cait        oleonard++
14:53 cait        thx :)
14:52 oleonard    cait: ⌘ represents the "command" key on a Mac, formerly the "Apple" key. It typically replaces "Ctrl" in Mac keyboard shortcuts.
14:51 Joubu       AndrewIsh: ^
14:51 Joubu       you certainly want to store what the user entered then display the string escaped
14:51 cait        ⌘ < some apple key?
14:46 AndrewIsh   Looks like that should fit the bill, thanks cait
14:46 LeeJ        #TheMoreYouKnow
14:46 cait        ah cool
14:46 AndrewIsh   opac/opac-tags.pl:use C4::Scrubber;
14:46 AndrewIsh   opac/opac-memberentry.pl:use C4::Scrubber;
14:46 AndrewIsh   opac/opac-issue-note.pl:use C4::Scrubber;
14:46 AndrewIsh   opac/svc/checkout_notes:use C4::Scrubber;
14:46 AndrewIsh   opac/opac-review.pl:use C4::Scrubber;
14:46 AndrewIsh   opac/opac-suggestions.pl:use C4::Scrubber;
14:46 AndrewIsh   Here, apparently:
14:45 cait        not sure if somewhere else
14:45 cait        i know it's used by tags
14:45 AndrewIsh   cait:  Sanitization of user input, e.g. removing undesirable markup or scripting. I just discovered C4::Scrubber, which appears to be a wrapper around HTML::Scrubber. Looks like that might be what I've been searching for
14:43 cait        what kind of sanitation?
14:42 AndrewIsh   I have been poking around looking for examples, but failed to find any thus far
14:41 AndrewIsh   Can anyone point me to a good example of how Koha sanitizes user input? I'm specifically looking for examples of sanitizing input prior to database storage, I want to stay consistent with whatever approach is currently in use.
14:37 cait        because both appear int ranslations and was not sure
14:37 cait        i meant key and secret :)
14:36 tcohen      client_id and client_secret
14:35 cait        tcohen: ?
14:35 cait        are client id/key and client id/secret different things?
14:19 cait        ah :)
14:18 LeeJ        for example, in the Fall semester starting in August I'll be hopefully taking classes with 2 Chinese professors and 1 Nigerian professor :)
14:18 LeeJ        we're getting a rapidly increasing number of international professors
14:17 cait        oi :)
14:16 LeeJ        cait: your English is better than many academics at my university
14:16 eythian     https://www.deepl.com/translator often gets translations surprisingly good
14:16 cait        and my question back was: is my english really that terrible?
14:16 * eythian   prefers deepl for many things
14:15 cait        but i remember a former koha develoer who asked me if I was using google translate to communicate with you all
14:15 LeeJ        at least in my experience anyway :)
14:15 LeeJ        haha
14:15 cait        never failed would go too far
14:15 LeeJ        cait: Google translate has never failed me! Especially in recent years when they've added being able to select alternate translations :)
14:14 LeeJ        cait: that's what I'm here for :)
14:14 cait        sorry for complaining :)
14:14 cait        a little :)
14:14 LeeJ        cait: does that help? :P
14:14 eythian     surely it's just one word
14:14 LeeJ        cait: OAuth2-Client-Berechtigungsnachweis gewähren
14:11 * cait      cries a little trying to phrase that in German
14:11 cait        OAuth2 client credentials grant
13:56 wahanui     bidet, tcohen
13:56 tcohen      hi
13:53 cait        still not ideal
13:53 cait        just the word fine somewhere would be harder
13:53 cait        it means I have some kind of context there and know that they will work together
13:53 cait        Joubu: actually it's not all bad
13:51 AndrewIsh   OK, thanks cait
13:50 Joubu       (translations)
13:49 Joubu       cait: yes it's hard to catch on QA, we should think about a way to find them before push
13:48 LeeJ        cait: side note..breaking up those chapters really made a difference when looking for something specific in the HTML copy
13:47 cait        because applying for the testers is fine
13:46 cait        I think 'do not push' maybe
13:45 AndrewIsh   Hey all. Can someone advise me on schema changes. Should the patch be marked with "DO NOT APPLY" or similar? I gather that used to be the way it was done, but I'm not seeing anything on the Database Updates wiki page, so am not sure
13:45 * LeeJ      backs away from translation very slowly
13:44 LeeJ        :O
13:44 cait        no fun
13:44 cait        stuff like this: %s %sPayment, thanks %sPayment, thanks (cash via SIP2) %sPayment, thanks  (VISA via SIP2) %sPayment, thanks (credit card via SIP2) %sNew card  %sFine %sAccount management fee %sSundry %sLost item %sWriteoff  %sAccruing fine %sHold waiting too long %sRental fee %sForgiven %sLost  item fee refund %sProcessing fee %sPayment %sWriteoff %sCredit %sCredit  %s%s %s %s, %s%s %s, %s%s %s(%s)%s␠
13:44 cait        thx :)
13:42 LeeJ        cait: Viel Glück :)
13:42 ashimema    yup
13:42 cait        will see how far ig et today in my todo list
13:42 cait        i have to translate now :(
13:42 LeeJ        working on it allllll day
13:42 cait        i know
13:42 LeeJ        don't I know it lol
13:42 * LeeJ      groans
13:42 cait        there is still a lot for 18.05 to document
13:42 LeeJ        cait: I like that idea :)
13:41 cait        i'd probably branch out when the first 18.11 patch comes in
13:41 cait        time wise
13:41 cait        we are not there yet i think
13:41 LeeJ        wait a tick...so then if something needed to be added retroactively then that should still be fine I'd think?
13:41 ashimema    the docs in master should reflect the work being pushed to master in my opinion
13:40 ashimema    so branching an 18.05 and continueing work on it sounds like the way to go to me..
13:40 ashimema    yeah they are..
13:40 ashimema    I can't remember
13:39 ashimema    Are the docs versioned?
13:37 AndrewIsh   magnuse:  Thanks for the pointer :)
13:37 AndrewIsh   magnuse:  Well spotted on me mistakenly touching Koha/Schema/Result/SocialData.pm - now fixed :)
13:36 cait        hm i think they are not autogenerated yet
13:35 LeeJ        okay thanks for the confirmation Joubu I just wasn't sure because the docs page on the site has links to each version's PDF..didn't know but now I do :)
13:33 Joubu       the manual is online, so we can update it when we want, no need to stop when it's released :)
13:32 LeeJ        progress is progress :)
13:31 cait        feels not quite done yet... but getting there
13:31 LeeJ        soooo much easier to handle
13:31 cait        oh thx :)
13:31 LeeJ        cait: loving the docs structure rework by the way :)
13:30 cait        sounds good
13:30 LeeJ        thanks :) I'll consult with rangi next time I see him on and get his take on it
13:30 cait        i am not sure what would need to be changed for the jobs running
13:29 cait        as a lot of 18.05 might still be missing you could branch out a little later i tihnk
13:29 LeeJ        ah didn't know that
13:29 cait        hm i think that depends on the docs team
13:28 LeeJ        cait: correct me if I'm wrong :)
13:28 LeeJ        cait: it could just be an instance of my ignorance but it was my understanding the day of version release there was a "final" version of a release's PDF documentation then beyond that would be for master for the next release
13:27 cait        why do we need a cutoff?
13:21 LeeJ        Joubu: I'm sending out an email to the lists about a documentation sprint from today until release. Should I indicate the cutoff for documentation as the 21st or the 22nd?
13:15 oleonard    ^^ That was misplaced focus, not agreement. Though Joubu presumably knows what he's talking about
13:13 oleonard    y
13:13 Joubu       gaetan_B: sort could also be used for priority, for faceted fields for instance
13:11 cait        it seems a small change
13:11 cait        it's been in my emails to qa team for a while too
13:11 cait        i know
13:11 Joubu       Joubu added keyword RM_priority on 2018-04-04...
13:11 cait        :(
13:10 Joubu       and so no regression tests on sql modes done by jenkins
13:10 cait        yeah...
13:10 cait        too late = too complicated?
13:10 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20521 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, BLOCKED , dev installations should run with problematic SQL modes
13:10 Joubu       cait: too late, but that really a shame because we will not have bug 20521...
13:10 cait        was going to do some regression testing in order to be able to pass it, is it on the list still?
13:09 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20177 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Remove GROUP BY clause in GetCourses
13:09 cait        bug 20177
13:09 cait        Joubu: was going to ask about 20177
13:09 huginn      oleonard: I've exhausted my database of quotes
13:09 oleonard    huginn not everything is about you
13:09 huginn      oleonard: downloading the Perl source
13:09 oleonard    huginn just mentioned it above, trying not to spam us
13:08 cait        hm
13:08 cait        bug 20706
13:08 Joubu       bug 20706
13:07 Joubu       can be considered as blocker for 18.05
13:07 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20437 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Passed QA , Force requirement for HTTP::OAI 3.27
13:07 Joubu       bug 20437
13:07 oleonard    I've been waiting to submit some patches for that template pending understanding of the sorting issue
13:07 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20724 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , ReservesNeedReturns syspref breaks "Holds awaiting pickup"
13:07 Joubu       bug 20724
13:07 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20706 critical, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Fix links to help files for changed file structure (removed numbering on files)
13:07 Joubu       bug 20706
13:07 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20693 blocker, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Signed Off , Plack fails, because 'libcgi-emulate-psgi-perl' package is not installed
13:07 Joubu       bug 20693
13:07 Joubu       btw
13:06 Joubu       alex_a: I am focussed on 18.05 release, sorry I do not have time for that now
13:06 cait        as just thinking because we had already removed the old code when the new was started
13:06 oleonard    That's so kidclamp
13:06 gaetan_B    but no one is sure
13:06 cait        ah alright
13:06 gaetan_B    we (alex_a, clrh and i)also think this is were this came from
13:06 kidclamp    that sounds like something I would say
13:05 gaetan_B    well kidclamp told me "drag and drop was implemented I think because SOLR cared which mapping was first and would sort on that - ES won't - if you give it an array if will sort however it wants" when we discussed it
13:04 huginn      LeeJ: The operation succeeded.
13:04 LeeJ        @later tell davidnind I added a new status for tasks of "Needs screenshots" so we can at least get the content into master then have indication of which ones we need images for
13:04 cait        but yeah, question is why is it there in the first place
13:04 oleonard    alex_a: If those points are true then you're right, it's not needed.
13:04 huginn      LeeJ: The operation succeeded.
13:04 LeeJ        @later tell caroline I added a new status for tasks of "Needs screenshots" so we can at least get the content into master then have indication of which ones we need images for
13:04 cait        i am not sure if we reused any of that old work
13:04 gaetan_B    but not required for elastic
13:04 gaetan_B    i think it's inherited from some old work on solr
13:04 cait        hm that seems odd
13:03 oleonard    I thought the point was for it to be saved. Why have it if it isn't saved?
13:03 alex_a      2) In ES fields/index order is not taken into account
13:03 cait        i guess the question is if the sequence matters
13:03 alex_a      1) it's not saved
13:03 alex_a      I would say no
13:03 alex_a      The question is: Do we need drag N drop on this table?
13:01 Joubu       for the mappings, not the field list
13:00 Joubu       oleonard: yes it does work
12:59 Joubu       so I think I did not PQA because I did not have time to confirm that
12:59 oleonard    The last time I looked at the elasticsearch configuration page the drag-and-drop reordering wasn't working. Joubu have you looked at it recently?
12:59 Joubu       I do not remember if this is used"
12:59 Joubu       "
12:58 Joubu       alex_a: it looks like this view needs a complete refresh. The different enhancements you want to add make it less ergonomic in my opinion
12:58 LeeJ        sorry, last week was final exams week :)
12:57 Joubu       yes, since 2 weeks already ;)
12:57 LeeJ        *everything up to the May 9th commit
12:57 LeeJ        Joubu: just to confirm..everything (excluding bugfixes) listed in the release notes is all that will be in 18.05 yes?
12:55 LeeJ        speak of the devil :)
12:55 * LeeJ      waves to Joubu
12:55 oleonard    I don't know if Joubu fudged any of those dates, but we're definitely past all of them :)
12:55 Joubu       hi #koha
12:54 LeeJ        oleonard: thanks! I didn't realize the freezes were listed there
12:51 oleonard    String freeze was May 4 according to the calendar
12:49 LeeJ        cait: did the feature and/or string freeze happen yet? If not do we know when it will?
12:46 LeeJ        I think if you remove the CTZ param it would probably convert to local TZ
12:46 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20588 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, alex.arnaud, Signed Off , Elasticsearch - Apply dataTable on search fields and mapping tables
12:46 alex_a      Joubu, do you fail QA bug 20588 ?
12:44 LeeJ        well that sets it for my time zone but I'm sure it can be adjusted :) that's the public cal link
12:43 LeeJ        cait: https://calendar.google.com/calendar/embed?src=9favfolvgbh721ar2uusnbddlo%40group.calendar.google.com&ctz=America%2FNew_York
12:31 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20750 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, andrew.isherwood, Needs Signoff , Allow timestamped auditing of ILL request events
12:31 magnuse     AndrewIsh: looks like the new patch on bug 20750 touches Koha/Schema/Result/SocialData.pm - is that by design?
12:30 ashimema    It's just ical isn't it cait
12:16 huginn      cait: The operation succeeded.
12:16 cait        @later tell Joubu I think I ofund a way to use it, th
12:09 huginn      cait: The operation succeeded.
12:09 cait        @later tell Joubu can the calendar for the meetings be used without using Google calendar?
12:07 cait        Joubu: around?
12:03 * LeeJ      LeeJ uses AdiIRC
12:03 LeeJ        hi #koha
12:03 * LeeJ      waves
12:00 wahanui     well, next meetings is https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Next_IRC_meetings
12:00 cait        next meetings?
11:37 eythian     You get my pain!
11:35 oleonard    Someone captured your sealskin and you've had to live as a human on dry land ever since?
11:33 drojf       true!
11:33 eythian     also, long time no sea: (|-<<<<<-<
11:33 drojf       hi oleonard :)
11:33 oleonard    Hi drojf, long time no see
11:33 drojf       *tried
11:32 drojf       ashimema: i played with it a bit and set up a server. i had a bridge here too, not sure if it is still there actually. but riot did not cope with the amount of messages or something when i left the matrix account in here. have not tired in a while
11:32 oleonard    Hi all
11:32 AndrewIsh   magnuse:  +1
11:32 ashimema    AndrewIsh is on an ILL sprint for a few more days yet ;)
11:31 magnuse     and those patches are saving me some work ;-)
11:30 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20750 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, andrew.isherwood, Needs Signoff , Allow timestamped auditing of ILL request events
11:30 magnuse     i have not looked at the updated patch for bug 20750 yet, but a quick turnaround is good :-)
11:30 * eythian   just uses quassel
11:30 AndrewIsh   magnuse:  Glad you approve! ;-)
11:29 ashimema    very tempted though.. are you on matrix then drojf?
11:29 magnuse     AndrewIsh++
11:29 ashimema    not got around to working that out yet.
11:29 drojf       ashimema: run your own matrix server
11:27 * cait      is still happily using pidgin
11:25 * ashimema  still needs two irc clients as matrix doesn't yet have bridges to all his channels :(
11:24 cait        way less confusing :)
11:23 ashimema    doppelgänger be gone.
10:44 ashimema    boo.. so riot/matrix isn't forwarding pm's properly
10:38 cait        from ashimema_
10:38 cait        ashimema only one?
10:37 cait        hi drojf :)
10:37 cait        only one :)
10:18 ashimema    did you get my PM's cait?
10:16 ashimema    Hi cait
09:58 ere         hi cait!
09:58 cait        hi kidclamp and ere
09:57 * ere       waves back
09:56 * kidclamp  waves
09:38 andreashm   cait: oh, thanks!
09:36 cait        calendar link on top: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Meetings
09:35 cait        Joubu made something that will add the dates to your calendar
09:35 andreashm   cait: calendar thing?
09:34 cait        i thin it's high time to put your name down if you want to do it
09:33 tuxayo      Even worse, they might not be here at the meeting so we might never hear about potential candidates.
09:32 cait        ashimema ping?
09:32 tuxayo      cait: If there are people that could turn up for 18.05 RMaint, they might think that it's probable that ashimema_  is interested so they might not turn up.
09:30 cait        just started raining heavily, wow
09:29 cait        there is also the calendar thing, but can point out we are still missing some important roles
09:28 andreashm   cait: always a good idea with a reminder!
09:24 cait        i am going to send a meeting reminder
09:24 cait        hm
09:22 tuxayo      cait: yes https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_16_May_2018#Agenda
09:19 wahanui     tomorrow is pizza friday! or the day after today.
09:19 cait        tomorrow?
09:19 cait        hm yeah, i hope someone turns up before the election meeting
09:13 tuxayo      cait: it seems so. I've heard nothing new since the meeting. And a quick search in the IRC logs didn't allowed to find more info. (←terrible phrasing...)
09:08 cait        hm coming back after a few days... we still miss a 18.05 release maint? :(
09:08 tuxayo      o/ cait
09:08 * cait      waves at tuxayo
09:03 tuxayo      Hello again KohaDevBox, it's been a long time! :D
09:03 tuxayo      "All tests successful."
08:50 cait        good morning #koha
08:35 andreashm   morning
07:43 gaetan_B    hello
07:20 tuxayo      I'm happy because my PC doesn't crash anymore when starting a virtual machine. Which means I can use a devbox again!!!
07:19 tuxayo      Hola Koha!
06:35 reiveune    hello
06:27 wahanui     hi, alex_a
06:27 alex_a      bonjour
05:56 magnuse     \o/
03:16 wizzyrea    later
03:16 wizzyrea    right
03:16 mtompset    Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha wizzyrea
03:13 mtompset    Not to mention release 18.05 candidate, and it is kind of necessary to fix the help files, at least in English. :)
03:11 mtompset    I figured you might like to sign something off for cait. :)
03:11 mtompset    I just added a patch and a test.
03:11 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20706 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Fix links to help files for changed file structure (removed numbering on files)
03:11 mtompset    bug 20706
03:11 wizzyrea    hi, sup
03:10 huginn      mtompset: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 1 week, 0 days, 5 hours, 7 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> they should definitely be on their way to bed :P
03:10 mtompset    @seen wizzyrea
02:52 huginn      mtompset: The operation succeeded.
02:52 mtompset    @later tell cait bug 20706 has a tiny issue, which if you fixed, I would be able to get around to signing off. Thank you.
02:27 mtompset    Valid call there.
02:26 huginn      mtompset: Joubu was last seen in #koha 4 hours, 58 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <Joubu> @later tell fridolin I think you should revert 20234 from 17.05.x
02:26 mtompset    @seen Joubu
02:25 huginn      mtompset: cait was last seen in #koha 3 days, 5 hours, 1 minute, and 11 seconds ago: <cait> usually they go fast :)
02:25 mtompset    @seen cait
00:59 mtompset    tcohen, I had to add headless, tzdata-java and tzdata of a particular version with a --forced-yes, in order to get it to build.