Time  Nick          Message
21:45 LeeJ          cait++ caroline_++ davidnind++ georgew++
21:44 caroline_     see you soon everyone!
21:44 davidnind     LeeJ++
21:44 LeeJ          thanks for coming everyone!
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21:44 LeeJ          #endmeeting
21:44 cait          LeeJ++
21:44 LeeJ          #info Next meeting: 13 June 2018, 14 UTC
21:44 cait          thx LeeJ
21:44 caroline_     works for me
21:44 georgew       see you then
21:44 LeeJ          13th at 14 UTC it is!
21:44 LeeJ          ah right
21:43 cait          maybe 13th?
21:43 LeeJ          how about June 14th at 14 UTC?
21:43 cait          no conflicts for both dates
21:43 wahanui       well, next meetings is https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Next_IRC_meetings
21:43 cait          next meetings?
21:42 caroline_     13 would be better for me or 14 earlier
21:42 cait          14th is fine by me
21:42 LeeJ          :D
21:42 cait          we like you anyways :)
21:42 LeeJ          :(
21:42 cait          you are so bad with dates :)
21:42 wahanui       rumour has it 14th is fine
21:42 LeeJ          14th?
21:42 LeeJ          hahah whoops..was looking at may's calendar :P
21:42 cait          lol
21:42 rangi         morning
21:41 caroline_     isn't june 17 a sunday?
21:41 cait          10pm instead of 11pm :)
21:41 LeeJ          I don't have classes now so I can do whenever now :)
21:41 LeeJ          perhaps we can do 14 UTC instead?
21:41 cait          could we do an hour earlier maybe?
21:41 cait          this is quite late, but i can mak eit work
21:41 georgew       June 17 would be awesome
21:40 LeeJ          how does June 16th or 17th at the same time work for everyone? if anyone is still interested in helping after the release ;)
21:39 LeeJ          #topic Set time of next meeting
21:39 tcohen        LeeJ: hhe
21:39 LeeJ          alright, I think that about wraps up everything :)
21:38 * LeeJ        thinks tcohen should be ashamed of himself ;)
21:38 LeeJ          #action LeeJ will be sending out an email Sunday about the week of May 13 - 19 as a sprint week
21:37 * tcohen      is sorry
21:37 georgew       if we do it after Tuesday I'll devote an entire workday to it
21:37 LeeJ          caroline_: no worries! you've been a great help this whole time :)
21:37 cait          I should be able to spend a lot of a day next week
21:37 caroline_     I don't know what awaits me next week, but I'll try!
21:37 LeeJ          nice!
21:37 davidnind     sounds good
21:37 georgew       yes
21:37 cait          yes
21:36 LeeJ          sound good to everyone?
21:36 LeeJ          caroline_: thanks!
21:36 cait          woohoo and congrats!
21:36 LeeJ          so I'm going to send out an email sometime on Sunday regarding a sprint week for next week
21:36 caroline_     LeeJ+ congrats!
21:36 LeeJ          alright, now that my final exams concluded as of this morning I can dedicate 100% of my time to documentation until the release date
21:35 LeeJ          #topic Next steps
21:35 cait          the issue is that I'd like to kill the misc chapter, but i will work out a suggestion
21:35 georgew       It almost seems like something you'd see in an appendix or endnotes if this were a physical book
21:35 LeeJ          alright, if no one has anything else let's move on
21:35 cait          georgew: i couldn't come up with others so far
21:34 georgew       And leaving them where they are till the next version is a great idea too, LeeJ
21:34 cait          i'd just wanted to try and reach some kind of 'stable' files number so the translations can be fixed for it :)
21:34 georgew       Sorry, I had to answer an emergency phone call, but are there any other big unweildy defaults like the ISBD defaults?  Is there a potential for putting default settings like that in a chapter of ther own?
21:34 LeeJ          #action some documentation section moves (specifically ISBD) will be benched until next release cycle
21:33 caroline_     ok
21:33 LeeJ          ?
21:33 LeeJ          cait caroline_: it seems we have a bit of discussion to do for it, but since they've been in the same place for so long, what say we bench the discussion until next docs release and leave ISBD as is
21:33 cait          LeeJ: move on?
21:33 cait          tcohen: you are disrupting a docs meeting ;)
21:32 huginn        tcohen: The operation succeeded.
21:32 tcohen        @later tell Joubu maybe we can promote timezone per-instance as a new feature? same for 'supporting emojis'. It feels like they are hidden in the release notes, but very important though
21:31 cait          i think i got some ideas now
21:31 cait          hm i will suggest something
21:30 cait          i haven't checked closely yet
21:30 caroline_     in the faq?
21:30 caroline_     is that where the db codes are?
21:30 cait          the itemtypes could also go under cataloguing maybe
21:30 cait          them
21:30 cait          we could slip then into faq?
21:30 caroline_     ah, then it won't work.
21:29 cait          adding a hidden page might be problematic
21:29 cait          as soon as you add a file to the index.rst it appears in the table of contents
21:29 cait          i am not sure if that works with the way the manual is
21:29 caroline_     that way, they wouldn't be a "chapter", but still accessible for ppl who want to know what the defaults are
21:29 cait          we could move them into a new chapter, but htat would mean a very small one :)
21:28 cait          https://koha-community.org/manual/18.05/en/html/miscellaneous.html#koha-xslt-item-types
21:28 caroline_     could we just make a page for those defaults and link them from the sys prefs chapter?
21:28 cait          but i am not even sure if the defaults are current, i am not checking content much right now, just trying to sort
21:27 cait          lost all my tabs now :(
21:27 cait          the xslt item types ones maybe
21:27 cait          when you install koha out of the box
21:27 LeeJ          cait caroline_are there any other "stray" or "out of place" sections in the manual that could be grouped with the ISBD defaults?
21:27 cait          it's the default values for the ibsd sysprefs
21:27 cait          just checed history
21:27 caroline_     can you see the history or do you need me to copy/paste my questions?
21:26 cait          frozen
21:26 cait          sorry, had to restart the laptop:(
21:26 caroline_     nooo! cait come back! ;)
21:25 caroline_     if we put default it's going to use this?
21:25 caroline_     Is it for the sys prefs when they say to use default or leave blank?
21:24 caroline_     I have no idea what those mean...
21:24 cait1         if you got a good idea, let me know please :)
21:24 cait1         yep
21:24 caroline_     https://koha-community.org/manual/17.05/html/18_miscellaneous.html#isbd-defaults
21:24 cait1         the isbd defaults and     Koha XSLT Item Types
21:23 cait1         i think i ciould get that somewhere i have all 'misc' sorted out
21:23 cait1         hm didn't quite link
21:23 cait1         https://koha-community.org/manual/18.05/en/html/miscellaneous.html
21:23 LeeJ          cait1: I honestly have no opinion on it
21:23 cait1         could we move it?
21:23 cait1         is that helpful?
21:22 cait1         the chapter with the isbd defualts
21:22 KSorbo[       (SORRY)
21:22 wahanui       rumour has it last one is the first one if you look backwards
21:22 cait1         last one
21:22 cait1         ok
21:22 LeeJ          #topic Workflows
21:22 caroline_     and then I'll remove the chapter
21:22 KSorbo[       I have a Ubuntu 16.04 test server with 512M and 1 CPU with 1G swapfile. Koha is very slow, taking 10-15 secs on any screen. What am I doing wrong? Does perl require more cpu/memory than this?
21:22 cait1         caroline_: thx!
21:22 cait1         my brain is a little tired tonight :)
21:22 caroline_     I will check and copy them to the wiki
21:22 cait1         ah sorry
21:22 caroline_     that's what I meant!
21:21 cait1         caroline_: I am pretty sure yours are correct, meant te ones in the manual :)
21:21 LeeJ          KSorbo[: we're in the middle of a meeting...if you can wait a few minutes we'll be happy to help you
21:21 caroline_     check if the samples are still ok
21:21 caroline_     I can check that friday if you want
21:21 KSorbo[       Question on Server Specs:
21:21 LeeJ          didn't know about that serial wiki...
21:21 cait1         i think the wiki is the better source atm
21:20 cait1         one reason i'd remove it righ tnow is i am not sure if all the examples are still correct
21:20 cait1         :)
21:20 cait1         ok
21:20 cait1         #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Serial_Pattern_Library Serial pattern library
21:20 caroline_     the link to the wiki I mean
21:20 caroline_     and just putting the link "for examples see ..." in the serials chapter
21:20 cait1         was not sure about the naming of the chapters, 2) and 3) has a patch ready to go then :)
21:20 caroline_     well removing the serials sample section
21:19 caroline_     number 2 and 3 are fine by me
21:19 cait1         sorry, can you epxlain?
21:19 LeeJ          I think caroline_ has a good idea
21:19 caroline_     I would move the link to the wiki in the serials chapter
21:19 cait1         we could also imagine moving them into the serials chapter
21:18 caroline_     ah ok thanks!
21:18 georgew       The vot on wiki vs manuals was for faq
21:18 cait1         we decided on the manual i tihnk
21:18 cait1         ah for faq
21:18 cait1         caroline_: i was not sure how to proceed, maybe i forgot
21:18 caroline_     We voted on wiki vs manual for something
21:18 cait1         3) Move SIP2 and LDAP sections into a new chapter 'Other APIs and       protocols' right below the 'Web services' chapter?
21:18 caroline_     Didn't we already have this conversation a while back?
21:18 cait1         2) Move 'OCLC connextion gateway', 'Talking Tech' and 'MarcEdit'       into a new chapter 'Using third party software wit Koha' ?
21:17 LeeJ          cait1: have a link to that wiki page? never knew about it
21:17 cait1         1) can we lose the serials sample ins favor of the wiki page caroline started?
21:17 LeeJ          what help do you need?
21:16 cait1         i need some more help there
21:16 cait1         #info miscellanous has been split into multiple files now, like links, faq, extending_koha
21:16 cait1         #info administration has been split into prefs and rest
21:16 cait1         #info bug 20706 needs sign-off / qa - It's to adapt the links in Koha to the new file structure
21:16 LeeJ          *notes/minutes
21:15 cait1         otherwise links won't work right
21:15 LeeJ          cait1: would you mind adding some quick info tags for the notes? :)
21:15 cait1         we need to make one more change there and add back the en language codes int he files for the time being
21:15 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20706 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Fix links to help files for changed file structure (removed numbering on files)
21:15 cait1         bug 20706
21:15 cait1         so I needed to fix the links in Koha
21:15 cait1         but we also removed the numbering from the file names (to not have to renumber them all the time)
21:15 LeeJ          cait1: I agree with them! Otherwise they wouldn't get pushed ;D
21:14 cait1         miscellanous was not linked from Koha
21:14 LeeJ          especially since a lot of small, specific sections have been buried deep in larger files
21:14 cait1         i hope my changes so far are agreeable :)
21:14 LeeJ          I agree georgew
21:14 georgew       smaller chapters will be a lot easier on end users
21:14 cait1         let me find a link quickly
21:13 cait1         misecellanous
21:13 cait1         next i've been working on splitting the next big chapter
21:13 LeeJ          and less syntax to remember :)
21:13 cait1         or i hope so :)
21:13 cait1         which i think helps to make them a little more readable/easier to navigate
21:13 LeeJ          which is a BIG deal :D
21:13 cait1         like by splitting administration into system preferences and 'rest' we lost one level of headings
21:13 LeeJ          cait1++
21:12 cait1         another thing is that the TOCs get easier to handle
21:12 cait1         which will also help translators I think
21:12 cait1         one of the goals being to make the files smaller
21:11 cait1         I've been working on restructuring a bit
21:11 LeeJ          cait1: care to share with everyone all the "restructuring" you've been working on? :)
21:11 caroline_     thanks! :D
21:11 LeeJ          Inlibro++
21:11 cait1         Inlibro++
21:11 LeeJ          caroline_++
21:11 caroline_     translate OR doc, I meant
21:10 caroline_     So I either translate of doc, and the devs work on bugs or sign offs
21:10 caroline_     Yes, Every friday afternoon the whole team does what we call "community work"
21:10 caroline_     Ah ok!
21:09 LeeJ          caroline_: I meant in general :)
21:09 caroline_     um... Well, I'm the only one doing doc on my team
21:09 LeeJ          and cait1 your work too :)
21:09 LeeJ          caroline_: would you like to mention the work that you and your team have accomplished for documentation so far? I saw you've been very busy
21:08 caroline_     hehe!
21:08 LeeJ          yes I did, in fact, count them all ;)
21:08 LeeJ          #info currently in queue to be added to the documentation are 11 new features, 257 enhancements, and 19 new system preferences
21:07 LeeJ          #info the kohadocs Taiga project is current as of Release Notes 17.12.00.044
21:07 davidnind     LeeJ++
21:07 cait1         LeeJ++
21:07 LeeJ          alright, as of this morning I've gotten tasks created for everything current per the release notes
21:06 LeeJ          #topic What's been done so far
21:06 georgew       #info George Williams, Northeast Kansas Library System
21:06 davidnind     #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand
21:06 caroline_     #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inLibro
21:06 LeeJ          #info Lee Jamison, Marywood University
21:06 cait1         #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
21:05 wahanui       #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
21:05 LeeJ          #topic Introductions
21:05 huginn        The meeting name has been set to 'documentation_irc_meeting_9_may_2018'
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21:05 LeeJ          #startmeeting Documentation IRC meeting 9 May 2018
21:05 LeeJ          alrighty!
21:04 alexbuckley_  hi cait1
21:04 caroline_     Hi cait1!
21:04 cait1         hi all
21:03 * cait1       waves
21:01 davidnind     buy s/be by....
21:01 davidnind     A challenge all buy itself!
21:00 LeeJ          davidnind: no problem at all! I just try to keep the numbers matching up :)
20:59 davidnind     LeeJ: Apologies for the task think (combining multiple bugs into one Taiga task), should have sent a message about it!
20:58 LeeJ          don't we all! ;)
20:58 caroline_     no worries. I have plenty of stuff to do! ;)
20:58 LeeJ          we'll start at 5 after
20:56 LeeJ          hi caroline_!
20:56 caroline_     Hi LeeJ!
20:43 LeeJ          hi #koha
20:43 * LeeJ        waves
19:27 barton        saiful++
19:26 barton        you're welcome saiful, thanks for your work on... uh. that bug. (it's been a long day) :-)
19:01 oleonard      Bye all
18:56 * oleonard    curses Microsoft for being utterly incapable of making a decent browser
18:52 cait          nice :)
18:50 oleonard      I have some custom JS I run on my devbox that puts a system preferences search there
18:49 cait          looks great oleonard - what's your little search box on top for?
18:48 tcohen        where it left
18:48 tcohen        it will continue
18:47 saiful        thanks
18:47 tcohen        same command but provision instead of up
18:47 tcohen        vagrant provision
18:47 tcohen        just do
18:47 tcohen        its a known problem
18:47 tcohen        that's ok saiful
18:46 saiful        it says that "Ansible failed to complete successfully." i don't think it's a failure since koha was indeed installed. am i right?
18:45 saiful        https://gist.github.com/saiful-semantic/5c5d53a54981b5f203c7dcb90e0f7088
18:45 saiful        i setup kohadevbox on my win8pro laptop with vagrant with sync_repo option. i got the error message at the end "Koha instance is empty, no staff user created.", which i think fine.
18:40 saiful        thanks to barton for giving heads up on submitting patches
18:39 tuxayo        looks great :)
18:39 tuxayo        oleonard++
18:39 * cait        waves
18:38 tcohen        hi
18:36 saiful        hi
18:26 * oleonard    still hopes to get this design polished http://zivotdesign.com/p/#1/15223413373574
17:34 khall         I'll take a look Joubu
17:33 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20724 critical, P5 - low, ---, victor.grousset, In Discussion , ReservesNeedReturns syspref breaks "Holds awaiting pickup"
17:33 Joubu         khall: I have submitted a patch on bug 20724. Do you think it's the good way to fix the problem?
17:27 * oleonard    updated 15 screenshots on the wiki and is now exhausted
17:14 tuxayo        Joubu: ↑
17:14 tuxayo        BZ 20423 reproduces in 16.11 if I'm not mistaken. So they shouldn't be linked.
17:13 tuxayo        thanks for you help about BZ 20724
17:06 Joubu         I guess they are all duplicate
17:06 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20423 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , ReservesNeedReturns allows multiple patrons to have the same item set to 'waiting'
17:06 Joubu         bug 20423
17:06 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12011 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , ReservesNeedReturns breaks 'Hold Filled' functionality
17:06 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20724 critical, P5 - low, ---, victor.grousset, NEW , ReservesNeedReturns syspref breaks "Holds awaiting pickup"
17:06 Joubu         bug 12011
17:06 Joubu         bug 20724
17:06 Joubu         ok, it's because of ReservesNeedReturns
17:03 khall         however, it should be set for waiting holds where there is a max pickup delay
17:03 khall         Joubu: not that I'm aware of
17:01 Joubu         khall: Is reserves.expirationdate supposed to be set when placing a hold and no expiration date is selected?
17:01 khall         what's up Joubu ?
17:00 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20724 critical, P5 - low, ---, victor.grousset, NEW , ReservesNeedReturns syspref breaks "Holds awaiting pickup"
17:00 Joubu         bug 20724 scares me a bit
17:00 Joubu         khall: are you around?
16:34 tuxayo        bye #koha!
16:31 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20073 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, ere.maijala, Pushed to Master , Move Elasticsearch settings to configuration files
16:31 Guest1726     * Jonathan Druart: Bug 20073: Update DBIC Schema changes
16:31 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20734 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Add warning to the about page if RESTOAuth2ClientCredentials and not Net::OAuth2::AuthorizationServer
16:31 Guest1726     * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20734: Add warning to the about page if RESTOAuth2ClientCredentials
16:31 Guest1726     * Jonathan Druart: Bug 20624: DBRev 17.12.00.044
16:31 Guest1726     * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20624: Net::OAuth2::AuthorizationServer is not a hard dependency
16:31 Guest1726     * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20624: (QA follow-up) Add missing POD in Koha::REST::V1::OAuth
16:31 Guest1726     * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20624: (QA follow-up) Handle missing deps gracefuly
16:31 Guest1726     * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20624: (QA follow-up) Unit tests for missing deps situation
16:31 Guest1726     * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20624: Make staff client respect RESTOAuth2ClientCredentials
16:31 Guest1726     * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20624: Make /api/v1/oauth/token respect RESTOAuth2ClientCredentials
16:31 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20624 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Disable the OAuth2 client credentials grant by default
16:31 Guest1726     * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20624: Unit tests
16:31 Guest1726     * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20624: Add RESTOAuth2ClientCredentials syspref
16:31 Guest1726     * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20612: (QA follow-up) Fix typo in method POD
16:31 Guest1726     * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20612: koha-conf.xml cleanup
16:31 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20612 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Make OAuth2 use patron's client_id/secret pairs
16:31 Guest1726     * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20612: Make OAuth2 use patron's client_id/secret pairs
16:31 Guest1726     * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20612: Unit tests
16:31 Guest1726     * Jonathan Druart: Bug 20568: DBRev 17.12.00.043
16:31 Guest1726     * Jonathan Druart: Bug 20568: fix shebang
16:31 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18403 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, RESOLVED FIXED, Hide patron information if not part of the logged in user library group
16:31 Guest1726     * Jonathan Druart: Bug 20568: Fix bad resolution conflict with bug 18403
16:31 Guest1726     * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20568: (QA follow-up) Remove unused vars
16:31 Guest1726     * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20568: (QA follow-up) Remove api-key management from OPAC
16:31 Guest1726     * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20568: CSRF protection
16:31 Guest1726     * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20568: (QA follow-up) Get rid of the id column
16:31 Guest1726     * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20568: (QA follow-up) Make sure client_id and secret are not
16:31 Guest1726     * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20568: (QA follow-up) Test client_id and secret are not overwritten
16:31 Guest1726     * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20568: (follow-up) Atomic update fix
16:31 Guest1726     * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20568: Move value => client_id + secret
16:31 Guest1726     * oleonard: Bug 20568: (follow-up) Interface and markup changes
16:31 Guest1726     * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20568: API key management for OPAC users
16:31 Guest1726     * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20568: Unit tests
16:31 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20568 new feature, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Add API key management interface for patrons
16:31 Guest1726     * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20568: Add mandatory description field for api keys
16:31 Guest1726     * julian.maurice: Bug 20568: API keys management in interface
16:31 Guest1726     * Jonathan Druart: Bug 20402: Update DBIX schema
16:31 Guest1726     * Jonathan Druart: Bug 20402: DBRev 17.12.00.042
16:31 Guest1726     * Jonathan Druart: Bug 20402: only output if verbose flag is set
16:31 Guest1726     * julian.maurice: Bug 20402: Remove useless call to Koha::OAuthAccessTokens->search
16:31 Guest1726     * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20402: Add missing POD
16:31 Guest1726     * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20402: Atomic update and kohastructure.sql fixes
16:31 Guest1726     * julian.maurice: Bug 20402: Use TestBuilder->build_object in oauth.t
16:31 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20402 new feature, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , OAuth2 client credentials grant for REST API
16:31 Guest1726     * julian.maurice: Bug 20402: Remove dependency on Mojo::Plugin::OAuth2::Server
16:31 Guest1726     * julian.maurice: Bug 20402: Don't look at cookies if OAuth2 is attempted and has failed
16:31 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20525 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Add --timezone switch to koha-create
16:31 Guest1726     * julian.maurice: Bug 20402: Fix oauth.t
16:31 Guest1726     * julian.maurice: Bug 20402: Implement OAuth2 authentication for REST API
16:31 Guest1726     * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20525: Add --timezone switch to koha-create
16:31 Guest1726     Project Koha_Master_D8 build #468: SUCCESS in 33 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/468/
16:10 caroline_     wow, wahanui is so glum today...
16:09 bag           heya cait
16:09 cait          hi bag :)
16:08 wahanui       the only good morning is a dead one
16:08 bag           good morning
15:59 Joubu         here we go
15:58 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 20612: Unit tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8eb9239a340e662c42f8686a4d29154cc54ec5e4>
15:58 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 20612: Make OAuth2 use patron's client_id/secret pairs <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5bf71bb837239ca9e3fdf4703074caf5eff7ec52>
15:58 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 20612: koha-conf.xml cleanup <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c46439abda66bfbf9cd7a987346331f93670062c>
15:58 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 20568: (QA follow-up) Remove api-key management from OPAC <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=82edceb2ed583ae9beaa63fd6208b380cc184c28>
15:58 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 20624: Add RESTOAuth2ClientCredentials syspref <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=027aa4f3495a5b1b3fd778470cdcd1c8f623233b>
15:58 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 20624: Unit tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=de0698076fee3061d3c37a8a922faf19a69336c8>
15:58 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 20624: Make /api/v1/oauth/token respect RESTOAuth2ClientCredentials <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=997a5705504b63cbaf9ae41f0487f5c1654c686f>
15:58 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 20624: Make staff client respect RESTOAuth2ClientCredentials <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5cf8bbfb7aea34b6367dfbbfb9d73f88851507fb>
15:58 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 20624: (QA follow-up) Unit tests for missing deps situation <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a8579ac6c4fac0a660b506949bc47fcc7faf7674>
15:58 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 20624: (QA follow-up) Handle missing deps gracefuly <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=763343a152b1e2a7a0c4fb6f6b8fd685843eb562>
15:58 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 20568: (QA follow-up) Remove unused vars <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0cb1020e0cdb63143d3d954d4d9ff3a4bd93e330>
15:58 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 20612: (QA follow-up) Fix typo in method POD <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0d96a9080dd2625229528adff8f35b9c2b8aebb9>
15:58 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 20624: (QA follow-up) Add missing POD in Koha::REST::V1::OAuth <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=432dd41418003494c6db24ef0fc9d81f83186ba3>
15:58 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 20624: Net::OAuth2::AuthorizationServer is not a hard dependency <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=17e8acad70c778a1d544ad2cb22e0fc98ba2f312>
15:58 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 20568: DBRev 17.12.00.043 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ef7a900742cf8c7bc063cc6df74b922db235b8b6>
15:58 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 20624: DBRev 17.12.00.044 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b8acd86231a3b63f311a1c6357acc8096bef06ed>
15:58 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 20568: Fix bad resolution conflict with bug 18403 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d2454d6868c357ee65dd683d80ab16f2cc2366fc>
15:58 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 20568: fix shebang <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2a8c3fad0a669870505d5b84b5fbaa7dd1c2a8a8>
15:58 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 20734: Add warning to the about page if RESTOAuth2ClientCredentials and not Net... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fe7e0d1e5257f266ea81370553d235164186c245>
15:58 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 20073: Update DBIC Schema changes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=dc300b6547355019d9135c2023c444df7a7f3cff>
15:40 thd           KSorbol: No need to rebuild as far as I know.  Merely install the two packages.
15:40 KSorbo[       Thanks. I'll give that a try
15:40 greenjimll    You can use `apt-get install libplack-perl libcgi-emulate-psgi-perl` and then install Koha as you would normally. That patch is fixing dependencies in the packing, which you'll satisfy anyway once those two packages are installed.
15:39 thd           KSorbo[: greenjimll has suggested that you may simply install the packages he listed with apt-get install $whateverPackagename .
15:38 KSorbo[       If I patch those files by hand, how do I get the system to reload all the dependencies, etc?
15:37 thd           KSorbol: What greenjimll wrote allows you to apply the solution of the patch without rebuilding koha for installation.
15:37 KSorbo[       <thd> I am using packages from Ubuntu 16.04
15:35 oleonard      https://css-tricks.com/words-avoid-educational-writing/#article-header-id-2
15:34 greenjimll    KSorbo[: actually, looking at the diff install the packages `libplack-perl` and `libcgi-emulate-psgi-perl` as that's what the patch is doing (for the debian control files)
15:34 thd           KSorbol: The patch merely adds 4 lines of code and you could simply use the patch command.
15:32 greenjimll    KSorbo[: In this case you might want to just try installing the package `libcgi-emulate-psgi-perl` by hand if its stopping you from installing the rest of Koha.
15:31 thd           KSorbol: The manner for applying the patch depends on whether you are using koha packages in a particular GNU/Linux distribution.
15:30 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20227 normal, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Stable , admin/smart-rules.pl should pass categorycode instead of branchcode
15:30 Guest1726     m.de.rooy: Bug 20227: Check for categorycode in default_borrower_circ_rules
15:30 Guest1726     Project Koha_17.05_D8 build #95: STILL UNSTABLE in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_17.05_D8/95/
15:27 KSorbo[       I have no perl experience. How do I apply this patch to my site?
15:27 thd           tuxayo: Yes, I am mostly at peace with converting indentations to whatever pleases in the editor except for trouble overcoming the editor automatically marking the file as modified.
15:27 huginn        Bug 20693: blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, REOPENED , Plack fails, because 'libcgi-emulate-psgi-perl' package is not installed
15:27 KSorbo[       https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20693
15:27 KSorbo[       I experience the problem dealt with in this bug:
15:26 KSorbo[       How does one apply a bug fix patch to an existing site?
15:23 tuxayo        thd: indeed there is that. But I was thinking about the case of some alignments wouldn't make sense anymore depending of the settings of one's text editor
15:21 thd           tuxayo: I see that you are considering views other than a programming editor where how tabs display may not be well controlled by the user and thus may not be fixed by the user in any way.
15:21 marcelr       have to go now; bye #koha
15:20 tuxayo        cait: still around?
15:20 marcelr       Joubu: what happened with 19436, not pushed..
15:20 oleonard      :D
15:20 caroline_     oleonard: did you leave to go scream in a pillow? ;)
15:19 tuxayo        Joubu: +1 better focus on other gaps in the guidelines rather that these details as long as it's not an issue.
15:19 marcelr       tcohen: could you add your qa mark to 20695; much obliged..
15:18 tuxayo        You can put them vertically and align them. Have a variable spacing with tabs settings wouldn't cause much trouble though. There should be other case but nothing really big.
15:18 tuxayo        thd: "It would be fixed according to however you set your view of tabs or am I missing something?" : When you have a lot if methods params of argument.
15:18 * oleonard    brb
15:18 greenjimll    I'm just going to get rid of all the indentation and put all the perl on one line. :-)
15:18 oleonard      凸(>皿<)凸
15:17 fridolin      ^^
15:17 * thd         will be converting spaces to tabs for viewing in the editor then converting them back for writing out the file.
15:17 fridolin      and CRLF has end of line
15:17 Joubu         oleonard: we voted "tabs everywhere"
15:16 * oleonard    didn't get to vote on his own issue
15:16 * oleonard    got knocked offline :(
15:16 thd           I like the QA deference approach until there is a real problem.
15:16 greenjimll    So just do what I don't. :-)
15:16 greenjimll    Fair enough. As I said, whatever I do will be wrong, guaranteed. :-)
15:15 Joubu         are you sure we need to talk about space indentation for weeks?
15:15 tuxayo        Leaving it to QAers seems the default choice. And we will see how it goes after some experience enforcing the guideline.
15:15 greenjimll    Considering the meeting has finished now, we'll have to!
15:14 thd           greenjimll: You may need to add it to the agenda for the next meeting if needed.
15:14 Joubu         yes, not that important
15:14 tuxayo        or we leave it to QAers appreciation?
15:13 greenjimll    So we've ended the meeting without deciding on the strict/relaxed spacing when patching existing files?
15:13 thd           Do we vote on strict vs. relaxed or defer to the question to the next meeting?
15:12 huginn        Log:            http://meetings.koha-community.org/2018/development_irc_meeting_9_may_2018.2018-05-09-14.01.log.html
15:12 huginn        Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2018/development_irc_meeting_9_may_2018.2018-05-09-14.01.txt
15:12 huginn        Minutes:        http://meetings.koha-community.org/2018/development_irc_meeting_9_may_2018.2018-05-09-14.01.html
15:12 huginn        Meeting ended Wed May  9 15:12:57 2018 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
15:12 Joubu         #endmeeting
15:12 Joubu         #Next meeting: 23 May 2018, 20UTC?
15:12 greenjimll    20 or 21 UTC for me.
15:11 thd           19 would be even better for me but perhaps not for others.
15:10 tuxayo        +1
15:10 greenjimll    Before we close the meeting are we going to decide on what the 4 space rule applies to when making patches?
15:10 tuxayo        thd "Did we vote about about any issue of strict or relaxed"
15:10 Joubu         last dev meeting at 21, we were 3...
15:09 thd           20 is now better for me most of the time.
15:09 greenjimll    tuxayo: Good question. What I was playing with yesterday did bits all over basketgroup.tt and basketgroup.pl. Having to fix the whole file would be a pain, but it would fit in with the "strict spacing".
15:09 Joubu         Next meeting: 23 May 2018, 19, 20, 21 UTC?
15:08 thd           Did we vote about about any issue of strict or relaxed?
15:07 tuxayo        greenjimll: what is "it": whole file, method, block, line?
15:07 thd           tuxayo: It would be fixed according to however you set your view of tabs or am I missing something?
15:07 Joubu         #topic Set time of next meeting
15:07 wahanui       nothing else is priority
15:07 Joubu         nothing else?
15:07 tuxayo        But the balance could still be in favor of tabs is the pros are heavier
15:07 tcohen        #info Yes: 7, No: 2
15:06 greenjimll    So does this now mean we've a "you touch it, you fix it" rule for tweaking indentation in existing files?
15:06 tcohen        coward
15:06 tuxayo        thd: tcohen : With tabs we loose some possibilities of alignment which require a fixed size
15:05 thd           tcohen: Exactly, which is why I like tabs.
15:05 huginn        Voted on " should we adopt 4-space indentation globally?" Results are
15:05 tcohen        #endvote
15:05 josef_moravec #vote yes
15:05 tcohen        ok
15:05 tcohen        thd: anyone can 'see' it as they like with tabs
15:04 tcohen        Joubu: you agree, you are talking about how we phase into that
15:04 * thd         prefers tab indentation which may appear as two spaces in editor but I think that is a lost position in Koha.
15:03 Joubu         maybe it's a yes then
15:03 tuxayo        Should the vote have been between various alternatives?
15:03 Joubu         I am voting no because it should be applied strictly. ok for new files, new blocks, not to add a 4 spaces alignement inside a 2 space align block
15:03 tcohen        ok
15:03 ashimema      lol
15:02 ashimema      #vote no
15:02 * ashimema    uses the mojolicious projects perltidy config for all projects other than Koha to date..
15:02 tcohen        ashimema: LOL but that's not under discussion hehe
15:02 Joubu         lol
15:01 * ashimema    likes 2 space indentation for perl personally
15:01 tuxayo        #vote Yes
15:01 Joubu         #vote no
15:01 ashimema      all good
15:01 ashimema      Indeed.. that somewhat caught me by surprise.. I hadn't realised the boss had actually volunteered me.. we'd had the chat but I didn't realise it had reached it's conclusion ;)
15:01 thd           #vote Yes
15:01 greenjimll    #vote Yes
15:01 cc_           #vote Yes
15:01 tcohen        #vote Yes
15:01 marcelr       #vote Yes
15:01 huginn        Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
15:01 huginn        Begin voting on:  should we adopt 4-space indentation globally? Valid vote options are Yes, No.
15:01 tcohen        #startvote should we adopt 4-space indentation globally?
15:01 marcelr       the chair left :)
15:01 Joubu         because he left
15:01 Joubu         Is everybody waiting for kidclamp to write the vote proposal?
15:00 * tuxayo      throws a net on ashimema_
15:00 marcelr       my vote is Yes for 4 spaces
15:00 marcelr       ashimema: you are Rmaint in the meantime :)
14:59 * ashimema    frantically tries to catch up now he's back from the school run
14:59 tuxayo        I vote Yes for the proposal of voting
14:59 greenjimll    Whichever way we vote I guarantee I'll keep getting it wrong. :-)
14:58 thd           s/extensive/extensive levels of/
14:58 marcelr       +1
14:58 oleonard      Shall we vote?
14:58 thd           Exceptions should be noted as a comment in the file header.
14:57 marcelr       stay and talk about tabs
14:57 tcohen        kidclamp: how could you do this to us
14:57 kidclamp      I have to run, good luck all
14:57 * tcohen      secretly loves to shift 2 spaces left TT-specific lines to be able to read HTML more clearly
14:57 thd           Relaxed and provision for exceptions when files have extensive indentation.
14:57 greenjimll    I experienced this yesterday playing with basketgroup.tt.  I tried to make my changes fit in with what was already there but its a pain with mixed HTML and Perl in the templates.
14:56 huginn        Current chairs: Joubu kidclamp tcohen
14:56 kidclamp      #chair tcohen Joubu
14:56 kidclamp      +1
14:56 marcelr       i am all for a relaxed migration to four spaces ;)
14:56 oleonard      ...because if someone wants to say the rule for .tt is two spaces we've got the same argument and ALSO two different standards.
14:55 oleonard      I think the choice is pretty simple: Either the 4-space indentation is global or: it isn't, and there's no standard at all for other file types.
14:55 tcohen        the .editorconfig file should probably be updated
14:54 Joubu         2b: there is not b actually
14:54 Joubu         2a: use the same identation as the block you are editing (unless it's tab)
14:54 Joubu         2. changes in existing and dirty files should be:
14:54 Joubu         1. new file: 4 spaces
14:53 Joubu         same as previously for this rule, it should not be applied strictly:
14:53 marcelr       may be not that simple in a bad template
14:53 Joubu         popcorn time
14:52 oleonard      Re-indent changed lines, just like we've done with files that have tab indentation
14:52 marcelr       lots of files with indentation troubles
14:52 marcelr       what about changes?
14:51 oleonard      I'd prefer that we make the rule global
14:51 oleonard      We've got a lot of templates, especially newer ones, with two-space indentation. The rules aren't very clear because they only refer to Perl scripts
14:51 * kidclamp    wishes so hard
14:50 wahanui       hmmm... oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer
14:50 kidclamp      oleonard?
14:50 kidclamp      #topic Proposal: Officially apply Perl indentation rules to all file types. 4-space indentation for new/changed templates, JS, CSS, etc. -- oleonard
14:50 kidclamp      #action tcohen will draft a rule (with examples and qa escape clause)
14:49 * tcohen      volunteers to write it as a draft (with examples, etc) for voting next dev meeting
14:49 tcohen        yohann++
14:48 kidclamp      is there a proposed rule (i.e. what's the wording?)
14:48 Joubu         and it's still a pain
14:48 tcohen        before, it was a pain
14:48 Joubu         basically, in 90% of the time, if you add a new method, add a separate subtest, see t/db_dependent/Koha/Patrons.t for an example
14:48 tcohen        TestBuilder helped get here
14:47 josef_moravec marcelr++
14:47 marcelr       ¨unless we have good reasons to do otherwise¨ :)
14:47 tcohen        would it involve having the transaction inside the subtest?
14:47 kidclamp      yes, while it easier to add a test using existing data, it is harder to fix/maintain
14:47 Joubu         tcohen: yes, that's why cait wanted it in the guidelines
14:46 Joubu         unless 2 methods are strongly linked and it will need to dup too much code to test them separated into 2 subtests
14:46 tcohen        Joubu: we've been kind of enforcing it on QA
14:46 Joubu         it should be applied strictly, but the idea is to have 1 subtest for 1 method
14:46 Joubu         I think cait added after a discussion with me
14:46 * tuxayo      curses the latency of using an IRC bridge (from Matrix/Riot) instead of actually being on IRC
14:45 kidclamp      #topic PERL17.1 Unit tests should be grouped into sensible subtests that create their own data.
14:44 tuxayo        #vote Yes
14:44 kidclamp      #info 8 yes, unanimous
14:44 huginn        Voted on "should we adopt coding guideline HTML8 as written?" Results are
14:44 kidclamp      #endvote
14:44 thd           #vote Yes
14:44 kidclamp      last call
14:44 calire        #vote Yes
14:43 marcelr       #vote yes
14:43 greenjimll    #vote Yes
14:43 Joubu         #vote yes
14:43 josef_moravec #vote yes
14:43 oleonard      #vote Yes
14:43 kidclamp      #vote Yes
14:43 huginn        Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
14:43 huginn        Begin voting on: should we adopt coding guideline HTML8 as written? Valid vote options are Yes, No.
14:43 kidclamp      #startvote should we adopt coding guideline HTML8 as written?
14:42 tcohen        we are voting the guidelines change, which is ok
14:42 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20538 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , Remove the need of writing [% KOHA_VERSION %] everywhere
14:42 josef_moravec bug 20538
14:42 kidclamp      we better vote yes then :-)
14:42 Joubu         this one is pushed already actually, I did not know we had to vote it :)
14:41 josef_moravec does make sense, thanks tcohen and others for discussion!
14:41 kidclamp      #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines#HTML8:_use_Asset_TT_plugin_for_linking_javascript_and_css_files Use Asset TT plugin for linking js and css files
14:41 kidclamp      #topic HTML8: use Asset TT plugin for linking javascript and css files
14:41 kidclamp      #topic Review of coding guidelines
14:41 kidclamp      moving on but feel free to continuye discussion
14:40 tcohen        right
14:40 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17004 enhancement, P3, ---, lari.taskula, In Discussion , REST API: add route to authenticate patron (Single Sign On - SSO)
14:40 kidclamp      #info bug 17004 may be covered by OAuth developments - involved parties should talk about coordinating :-)
14:40 wahanui       thoughts are that this might help us fix a lot of extended-unicode bugs
14:40 tcohen        ashimema: thoughts?
14:39 josef_moravec ok, I will try to think about it more for next time, this was requirement from an external API user, but with full OAuth2 flow, we could maybe do it better...
14:39 tcohen        there's a long road to go
14:39 tcohen        I wouldn't block this dev as the way we currently deal with OAuth authentication is far from standard-ish (we do oauth2 for google, but generate a session cookie instead of using the token, etc)
14:38 tcohen        so, where to put the energy
14:38 tcohen        the thing is we don't have that many hands working on this things
14:37 tcohen        separate thing
14:37 tcohen        which could be in turn used for that
14:37 greenjimll    tcohen: Great - that's really useful for systems integration.
14:37 tcohen        this one is for generating session cookies
14:36 tcohen        greenjimll: that's probably getting into 18.05 already
14:36 barton        #info Barton Chittenden, BWS
14:36 tcohen        I mean, until we cover the other flows, we could replace the current controller scripts with this kind of endpoint, but it is a short-term thing
14:36 greenjimll    confidential client OAuth2 flows so that back end servers can use it for bulk updates?
14:35 tcohen        I'm not against having it for people needing it, but the goal is to have full support for other OAuth2 flows
14:35 fridolin      i think jajm is at the beach
14:34 tcohen        the main problem with that proposal is that is just replicating the current cookie based authentication we have
14:34 kidclamp      #link https://annuel2.framapad.org/p/What_s_on_in_koha-devel To contribute for 'What's on in koha devel"
14:34 josef_moravec .I added it, we need an easy way to authenticate a patron by username and password
14:34 marcelr       yes tcohen
14:33 tuxayo        Joubu: "irony": no no no, not at all. It's nice to contribute that less people (including me) are out of the loop
14:33 tcohen        is marcelr around?
14:33 greenjimll    In "whats on in koha devel" is it worth mentioning trying to sweep up old bugs/ideas?
14:33 kidclamp      lari tcohen jajm ^
14:32 fridolin      miam miam
14:32 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17004 enhancement, P3, ---, lari.taskula, In Discussion , REST API: add route to authenticate patron (Single Sign On - SSO)
14:32 kidclamp      #topic Way to authenticate patron for REST API - what about Bug 17004
14:31 wahanui       well, irony is of course that he learns it all from humans. ;)
14:31 Joubu         irony?
14:31 tuxayo        "what's on in koha-devel" Oh great idea! :D
14:31 ashimema      But only lurking.. On school run duties
14:30 ashimema      #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe
14:30 kidclamp      #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...)
14:30 Joubu         https://annuel2.framapad.org/p/What_s_on_in_koha-devel
14:29 kidclamp      also +1
14:29 Joubu         maybe it's time to contribute to the what's on in koha-devel?
14:29 kidclamp      #info kidclamp will corordinate ES efforts for 18.11 - may tap individuals for help along the way
14:29 kidclamp      +1
14:28 cait          maybe a most important elasticsearch bug for the weekly qa email? :)
14:28 kidclamp      moving on
14:28 kidclamp      been trying to point out conflicts and guide, clrh_ doc has been helpful we should update it for 18.11 goals
14:28 cait          you know who you are
14:28 marcelr       cait++
14:28 cait          hm.
14:28 wahanui       i think qa team is hunting all the bugs!
14:28 cait          qa team?
14:28 cait          all from me then, qa_team?
14:27 greenjimll    #info Jon Knight, Loughborough University
14:27 cait          kidclamp++
14:27 cait          keeping the big picture
14:27 kidclamp      I will, but some help too
14:27 cait          someone to coordinate that woudl be great
14:27 cait          right now we have a lot of bugs and patches waiting, but i don't see how they depend on eacho ther clearly and what is most urgent
14:27 Joubu         kidclamp is doing it
14:27 kidclamp      clrh_
14:27 tcohen        I think the RM will be very involved
14:27 cait          maybe we could also find someone to coordinate elasticsearch?
14:26 tcohen        thanks
14:26 cait          which i thin is a great thing
14:26 cait          tcohen++ signed up for module maintainer rest api
14:26 cait          can i jump in with a releas team question?
14:26 * Joubu       is going to remove the "Database Documentation Manager" role
14:26 kidclamp      #info QA please focus on bugs, after release there are big patches to look towards
14:26 cait          never ever again ;)
14:25 cait          true
14:25 cait          happy to see we have quite a good team ready for the next release
14:25 kidclamp      - #info cait says fix all the bugs or she won't qa your patches anymore ever
14:25 cait          stock rotation, mana and recalls to name some
14:25 cait          and then we will start over, there are some quite big featues in the queue that we will need to tackel after release
14:24 cait          anything that is needed to get us to the release
14:24 cait          what Joubu said, focus now should be on bug fixes mostly
14:24 cait          Nothing much
14:23 kidclamp      cait
14:22 fridolin      prepare beers for that
14:22 cait          work load wise the newer the more work
14:22 kidclamp      #topic Updates from the QA team
14:21 * tuxayo      prepares a net to catch ashimema
14:21 fridolin      ashimema++
14:21 kidclamp      moving on
14:21 Joubu         (we will catch him when he will be around)
14:21 Joubu         (Martin asked me few days ago how he could help for 18.11, and if he could be RMaint, that's why I said that)
14:20 kidclamp      #action ashimema has (been?) volunteered for 18.05 RMaint - he should update the wiki :-D
14:20 * fridolin    is ok
14:20 fridolin      oki cool (so much patches)
14:20 fridolin      I m not proposing for RMaint 18.05 i will not have enough time
14:20 Joubu         fridolin: nope (yet)
14:19 cait          still confused, but think people will hopefully sign up on the wiki :)
14:19 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20144 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Test suite is failing with new default SQL modes
14:19 fridolin      Joubu: is Bug 20144 for stable branches also ?
14:19 kidclamp      any notes frido?
14:19 kidclamp      #info kidlcmap will push for 17.11 this week
14:18 khall         kk
14:18 josef_moravec I am late, sorry
14:18 josef_moravec #info Josef Moravec, library Ústí nad Orlicí
14:17 Joubu         ashimema is volunteering
14:17 tcohen        ?
14:17 tcohen        we need someone for 18.05
14:17 cait          so what's our lineup? 18.05?
14:17 tcohen        khall++
14:17 marcelr       khall++
14:16 Joubu         ashimema_: ?
14:16 khall         yes, I'd be willing to rmaint 17.05
14:16 * kidclamp    points at khall
14:14 tuxayo        Or could it be an incentive to upgrade to not have 17.05 maintained? (just a idea, not sure if good at all)
14:14 tuxayo        Joubu: Indeed, if many people will stay stuck on 17.05 that would be useful: https://hea.koha-community.org/systempreferences
14:14 kidclamp      I am going to ush some this week before string freeze, will try not o leave a mess for frido :-)
14:14 kidclamp      #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers
14:14 tcohen        hi rangi
14:13 fridolin      +1
14:13 cait          but it would be much nicer to have 3
14:13 cait          18.05 and 17.11 is needed, we could drop 17.05 if noone is willing to
14:13 kidclamp      moving on?
14:13 kidclamp      #info please look at bugs 20270 19835 20710 for release
14:13 fridolin      ^^
14:12 Joubu         but if everybody is willing to run master, it's fine by me
14:12 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20710 minor, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Needs Signoff , Update MARC21 frameworks to Update 26 (April 2018)
14:12 cait          bug 20710
14:12 Joubu         tuxayo: we should maintain at least 3 stable releases.
14:12 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19835 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , Update MARC frameworks to Updates 23+24+25 (Nov 2016, May and Dec 2017)
14:12 cait          bug 19835
14:11 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20720 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , Add libraries (sponsors) to the about page
14:11 Joubu         ha, it would be nice to have bug 20720 into 18.05 (I will not have time to write a patch)
14:11 tuxayo        Joubu: " we really need release maintainers" : at least 18.05 Or is 17.05 really needed also?
14:11 cait          sec
14:10 kidclamp      bug number cait?
14:10 cait          i signed off the first, waiting for qa *hint* :)
14:10 cait          i think it might be nice to be up to the latest standard with release
14:10 kidclamp      #info 18.05 release in string freeze but exception being made for OAuth patches, please focus on bugs and testing
14:10 Joubu         and that's all for me
14:09 Joubu         a side note about 18.11: we really need release maintainers
14:09 cait          ther are some patches for the marc freameworks that don't involve translation
14:09 Joubu         it's not useful to rebase or dev new enhancements ;)
14:09 kidclamp      +1
14:09 cait          i think the strings involved there will be ok until the .01
14:09 Joubu         and catch bugs
14:09 Joubu         people should focus on signoff/qa of bugfixes
14:09 tcohen        +1
14:09 * oleonard    mutters Seems like all my friends have a big *but*
14:09 cait          +1
14:09 Joubu         certainly today
14:08 Joubu         I am going to make an exception and push the OAuth patchset
14:08 Joubu         *but*
14:08 khall         oleonard+++ indeed!
14:08 Joubu         we are in string freeze already
14:08 wahanui       o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
14:08 kidclamp      confetti!
14:08 Joubu         18.05 will be released quite soon
14:08 kidclamp      Mr Joubu
14:07 kidclamp      #topic Update from the Release manager (18.05)
14:07 cait          more piles of patches? oy
14:07 calire        oleonard++
14:06 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20654 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Omnibus: Update two-column templates to use Bootstrap grid
14:06 * oleonard    is ready to dump piles of patches on y'all as part of Bug 20654
14:06 wahanui       Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?
14:06 kidclamp      anyone?
14:05 kidclamp      #topic Announcements
14:05 calire        #info Claire Gravely, BSZ, Germany
14:05 fridolin      keeping maintaining oldstable
14:05 tuxayo        thanks oleonard :D
14:04 * fridolin    has proposed to maintain 17.11.x after 18.05 release
14:04 tuxayo        #info Victor Grousset, BibLibre, France
14:04 tuxayo        hi!
14:04 cait          coming out of another meeting, sorry to be late
14:04 cait          #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
14:03 fridolin      #info Fridolin Somers, Biblibre, France
14:03 fridolin      hi there
14:03 oleonard      tuxayo?
14:03 wahanui       rmaints is kidclamp (17.11), fridolin (17.05), rangi (16.11)
14:03 Joubu         rmaints?
14:03 wahanui       well, qa_team is alex_a jajm marcelr khall kidclamp tcohen josef_moravec
14:03 Joubu         qa_team?
14:03 oleonard      cait? calire? josef_moravec?
14:02 khall         #info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions
14:02 tcohen        #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions
14:01 blou          #info Philippe Blouin, Solutions inLibro
14:01 marcelr       #info Marcel de Rooy
14:01 cc_           #info Colin Campbell, PTFS Europe Ltd
14:01 davbo_        #info David Bourgault, Solutions InLibro
14:01 thd           #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
14:01 Joubu         #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_9_May_2018
14:01 Joubu         #info Jonathan Druart
14:01 kidclamp      #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions
14:01 oleonard      #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, USA
14:01 wahanui       #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
14:01 kidclamp      #topic Introductions
14:01 huginn        The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_9_may_2018'
14:01 huginn        Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
14:01 huginn        Meeting started Wed May  9 14:01:10 2018 UTC.  The chair is kidclamp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
14:01 kidclamp      #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 9 May 2018
14:00 wahanui       http://i.imgur.com/hVVuP.jpg
14:00 oleonard      wahanui no
14:00 wahanui       meeting is in two days, i thought was tomorrow. plenty of time then
14:00 kidclamp      meeting?
13:48 tcohen        hi josef_moravec
13:47 josef_moravec hi tcohen
13:45 tcohen        morning
13:00 oleonard      That's what my digital assistant has just told me.
12:57 magnuse       development meeting in about 1 hour?
11:32 wahanui       hi dear loon
11:32 marcelr       hi oleonard
11:32 oleonard      Hi all
11:12 marcelr       ok
11:12 khall         I didn't set to pqa since nick was the signer, but if you are fine with that you can definitely consider my so was pqa : )
11:11 marcelr       the double accepts on shared lists
11:11 khall         oh, that one
11:10 marcelr       do you change or should I
11:10 khall         marcelr: yep!
11:10 marcelr       it is the second signoff
11:10 marcelr       hey khall does your signoff on 11943 count as a pqa ?
11:09 khall         yo
11:09 marcelr       khall around ?
11:09 kidclamp      :-)
11:08 marcelr       hi kidclamp new RM
11:08 marcelr       hi #koha
10:47 cait          Joubu: pointed at you for end of string freeze/translation period on the koha-translate list... hope it'sok :)
10:33 nlegrand      ay up magnuse
10:16 magnuse       tiffin time!
10:15 magnuse       hiya nlegrand
10:13 nlegrand      Good day #koha
08:34 * andreashm   waves
07:55 cait          hi all
07:41 fridolin      hi there
07:37 cait          #koha still waking up I guess
07:36 wahanui       thanks cait :)
07:36 cait          wahanui botsnack breakfast
07:36 cait          ssh wahanui
07:36 wahanui       well, it's morning somewhere, yes
07:36 cait          good morning
07:29 shohl         moin moin
07:21 wahanui       kia ora, gaetan_B
07:21 gaetan_B      hello
07:14 magnuse       bonjour alex_
06:57 alex_         hello magnuse
06:56 magnuse       morning
06:51 alex_         bonjour
06:35 rangi         evening
02:47 mtompset      Have a great day, #koha alexbuckley :)
02:46 mtompset      Well, I best call it a day. I need to be reading assignments to "mark".
00:33 alexbuckley   hi
00:33 huginn        mtompset: alexbuckley was last seen in #koha 6 days, 19 hours, 39 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <alexbuckley> hey aleisha. Are you still in Bali or back in NZ now?
00:33 mtompset      @seen alexbuckley