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23:51 huginn        barton: The operation succeeded.
23:51 barton        @later tell oleonard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcLX-9jdEAI
23:39 mtompset      Not everyone is comfortable dealing with the files themselves, I like the upload plugin method provided -- once it is configured properly. :)
23:37 mtompset      BTW, greetings, wizzyrea and atJano. :)
23:36 mtompset      It's just security.
23:36 mtompset      And it isn't streaming it... it is serving it, but just not as directly as you'd like, because you might not have put the location of the upload path/directory in a web accessible place.
23:35 mtompset      It streams it, so that it is easier to add/delete files and track them.
23:32 wizzyrea      and put your pdf's there
23:32 wizzyrea      Alias /files/ "/var/www/files"
23:32 wizzyrea      and alias that in your apache config
23:32 wizzyrea      (like /var/www/files)
23:32 wizzyrea      is make a new space on your web server for your files
23:32 wizzyrea      instead of what you're doing
23:32 wizzyrea      what you probably want to do
23:18 atJano        it seens that koha/apache stream the file insted of provide direct access...
23:18 atJano        hello, have anyone tried the following: host a pdf file in the koha host and use the field 856$u for access the pdf? (don't use the upload feature)
23:18 atJano        it seens that koha/apache stream the file insted of provide direct access...
23:15 atJano        hello, have anyone tried the following: host a pdf file in the koha host and use the field 856$u for access the pdf?
19:58 oleonard      Bye all
19:53 mtompset      Hope that feelings hasn't lasted this long. :)
19:52 huginn        mtompset: cait was last seen in #koha 2 hours, 18 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <cait> now i feel even worse for missing it
19:52 mtompset      @seen cait
19:52 mtompset      Greetings, #koha.
19:45 magnuse       JesseM: been there, done that ;-)
19:37 JesseM        fell
19:37 JesseM        I feel asleep on the couch
19:36 JesseM        lol
19:36 JesseM        Was a well needed break.
19:36 magnuse       maybe a spot of break dancing, even?
19:36 magnuse       hope you had a good break!
19:36 JesseM        :) thx magnuse
19:35 magnuse       wb JesseM
19:28 magnuse       did we make any progress on using the manual for the online help?
19:21 magnuse       Joubu: yeah, and translate it too ;-)
18:56 Joubu         that's why we should improve the manual instead
18:53 LeeJ          [off] like I always say..it's like trying to herd cats :)
18:52 LeeJ          believe me I know :P
18:52 magnuse       these librarians keep asking too many questions ;-)
18:52 magnuse       definitely interested, but not had time to look at it
18:51 LeeJ          I knew you were interested in it but didn't know if you played with it..since I updated versions :)
18:50 LeeJ          magnuse: https://github.com/ldjamison/koha-plugin-room-reservations
18:50 magnuse       which one was that again? i probably have not had time for it
18:50 LeeJ          magnuse: by the way..I've updated my plugin if you had been playing with it :)
18:50 magnuse       hiya LeeJ
18:49 * LeeJ        waves to magnuse
18:28 huginn        Joubu: The operation succeeded.
18:28 Joubu         @later tell tcohen would you want this fancy stuffs: https://screenshots.firefox.com/vfEBhSCedAuLLCJw/pro.kohadev.org ? Or maybe you have it already?
18:28 magnuse       it's just that this year it clashes with the national library conf here in norway
18:28 magnuse       well, akshuly i will do my best to go every year
18:27 magnuse       yes please
18:25 oleonard      magnuse: If we're going to end up going on alternating years let's try to match our schedule :)
18:24 * magnuse     will go to marseille next year, come hell or high water!
18:24 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19866 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Move template JavaScript to the footer: UNIMARC editor plugins, part 1
18:24 oleonard      If anyone is interested in testing Bug 19866 (or 19877, 19874, 19872, 19869, 19868, 19866), I added a more thorough test plan which can be used even if you don't have a UNIMARC system.
18:18 * LeeJ        forgot Koha had a label creator
18:17 * oleonard    fears things he doesn't understand
18:17 * oleonard    tries to avoid the label creator if he can
18:17 barton        does anyone know if it's possible to add a blank line in the format for the label creator?
18:14 * LeeJ        cries for his wallet
18:14 * LeeJ        cries for my wallet
18:13 oleonard      Yup :|
18:12 LeeJ          it's just a matter of trying to save up my own money since it couldn't be a work trip :P
18:11 oleonard      That's great LeeJ. I highly recommend it.
18:10 LeeJ          I plan on trying to go next year
18:08 oleonard      cait: Hackfest soon!!
17:34 cait          now i feel even worse for missing it
17:33 * Joubu       likes the joke
17:32 cait          i missed the joke... so hard to tell for me now if you are a jerk or not
17:31 tcohen        I was answering cait
17:31 LeeJ          tcohen: I'm aware :P
17:30 reiveune      bye
17:28 tcohen        because I repeated yesterday's joke
17:28 LeeJ          cait: because he's a jerk for picking on me by typing #endmeeting every time I login :-\
17:28 cait          LeeJ: but why tcohen?
17:26 LeeJ          I prefer open-ended so people can be...colorful..with word choice :)
17:26 cait          Joubu: ping!
17:25 cait          you need to give options
17:25 LeeJ          :D
17:25 tcohen        :/
17:25 LeeJ          #vote is tcohen a jerk?
17:25 LeeJ          tcohen: ...
17:24 LeeJ          cait: ping!
17:24 tcohen        he
17:24 tcohen        #endmeeting
17:24 LeeJ          hi #koha
17:24 * LeeJ        waves
16:42 tuxayo        bye #koha :)
16:39 huginn        Joubu: The operation succeeded.
16:39 Joubu         @later tell cait yep, ping me when back
16:05 atJano        that's why I need to store them in a folder inside the koha server....
16:02 kidclamp      at, no, it won't do bulk uploads
16:02 atJano        kidclamp i have 1000 articles, the upload tool can do bulk job?
16:01 kidclamp      use the upload tool atJano
15:57 atJano        hello ppl, what is the best location (folder) to store a lot pdf files (journal articles or magazine articles) laccess by field 856$u
15:15 tuxayo        cait: If you are here: do we need to handle thousand separators (space included?) for now?
15:13 Abigail       what to do in koha so that the user at the time of booking print receipt with data from the book, Thank you
15:11 Abigail       what to do in koha so that the user at the time of booking print receipt with data from the book, Thank you
15:07 Joubu         clear your cache! :D
15:06 oleonard      Grab someone off the street and teach them how to sign off on Koha patches with that bug.
15:06 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20268 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , CSS regression: white gap on the top of the staff pages
15:06 oleonard      Bug 20268
14:44 tuxayo        Thanks Joubu
14:44 tuxayo        NumberFormat is interesting :)
14:44 tuxayo        oha: I didn't perceive any dismissiveness, don't worry ;)
14:44 mirkh         Sorry about that.
14:44 mirkh         Joubu: after checking more thouroughly I just want to say that my description of how I thought it was failing was incorrect.
14:25 mirkh         Anyway, if a new subscription always creates a row in subscriptionhistory, then I should check that we always create a row there too when migrating a subscription. Joubu: thanks.
14:24 mirkh         After some simple data mangling we still have about 4000 unique subscription patterns to deal with.
14:23 mirkh         There's a lot of hand written 853 field values to parse...
14:22 mirkh         :-D
14:22 oleonard      mirkh: I would love to have the *option* of testing with that much data :)
14:22 mirkh         oleonard: Are you sure? :)
14:21 * oleonard    would love to be able to test Serials with 100,000 subscriptions in sample data
14:21 mirkh         Ok
14:20 Joubu         I am talking about subroutines in C4/Serials.pm
14:20 mirkh         Joubu: (because we have migrated over 100.000 subscriptions, but still testing)
14:18 mirkh         Joubu: (You are talking about a command line API, not the web interface, right?)
14:17 mirkh         Ok :) But I'll check the API. Perhaps it can teach me something :)
14:17 Joubu         (luckily)
14:17 Joubu         I do not migrate data
14:17 Joubu         no idea
14:16 mirkh         (in migration)
14:16 mirkh         Joubu: Even when adding old subscriptions from our old system?
14:15 Joubu         mirkh: you should use Koha API to insert the data (NewSubscription subroutine). It will take care of that
14:13 mirkh         Ok. Then maybe it is the fault of our migration, that we have subscriptions with no history, which breaks that select statement.
14:12 Joubu         I have created a new subscription and I have one line in subscriptionhistory
14:12 mirkh         Error message says subscription-detail.pl: Use of uninitialized value $subscriptionid in hash element at /usr/local/koha/C4/Serials.pm line 301.
14:11 mirkh         It has the subscription info, but in the link "OPAC view" there is no biblionumber added to the link.
14:10 mirkh         I mean the subscription-detail page
14:10 Joubu         mirkh: what is the "result page"?
14:08 Joubu         oleonard: ho right, I got it this morning too :)
14:08 Joubu         oleonard: It happened to me few days ago, I have just tried again few times and it worked
14:07 mirkh         :D
14:07 oleonard      Joubu: Happens every day. However, I don't remember how long it's been since I destroyed and recreated.
14:06 Joubu         mirkh: the serial module is bug free, so it cannot be a bug
14:05 Joubu         oleonard: try again? :)
14:04 Joubu         "1 blockers 2 criticals, 23 majors." Most of them are waiting for a signoff. Could you all take care a bit of them?
14:04 mirkh         then the result page lacks information. If this is a bug and not a fault of our data, I can add it to bugzilla.
14:04 oleonard      ^^ Is that a problem?
14:04 mirkh         Hi! I would like someone to check if I found a bug or if it's just our data that is inconsistent. In koha/C4/Serials.pm in sub GetSubscription the select statement selects from several tables. The result from field subscriptionid is returned twice, one from table subscription and one from table subscriptionhistory. When there is no subscription history second version of the subscriptionid field is NULL, and
14:04 pastebot      "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "vagrant up messages -- 404 error?" (11 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/60
13:56 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4078 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Add the ability to customize and display the symbol for a currency
13:56 Joubu         and bug 4078 is more of less related as well (in term of currency configuration)
13:56 oha           it does the formatting, not the other way around, but maybe it's a good starting point to find something more
13:56 Joubu         tuxayo: Koha::Number::Price uses Number::Format, as well the TT plugin
13:55 Joubu         (just to add one more to your list :D)
13:55 oha           tuxayo: just found this: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/NumberFormat
13:54 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17098 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Validation problems with form field type "number" (decimal separator)
13:54 Joubu         tuxayo: looks like related to bug 17098 as well
13:47 oha           I believe a fields for the cents is good enough. but YMMV
13:47 oha           tuxayo: sorry, i didn't mean to sound dismissive.
13:41 tuxayo        oha: thanks for raising this potential issue, I'll be careful.
13:39 oha           tuxayo: not to me to say
13:25 tuxayo        Can we find somewhere information about that? That's critical to know because that's excludes a lot of solutions. (more broad topic than the decimal separators)
13:25 tuxayo        oha: Maybe it's wiser to handle the 10th and 5th in the third patch?
13:23 oha           *shrugs*
13:23 tuxayo        oha: Koha support disabled JS in the staff?
13:23 oha           it is just to help understanding you mean 050 if you type 50 and we expect /1000
13:22 oha           no, but it doesn't matter. the server has to do the same in case js is disabled
13:20 tuxayo        oha: «on focus lost» Does it's still work if the user press «enter» while the focus is still in the field?
13:20 oha           I'm just giving my 20 thousandths here
13:20 oha           but I haven't followed the discussion on the ML (alas! I know!)
13:20 oha           maybe a formatter in js could pad the missing zeroes on focus lost
13:19 oha           so if you type 50 in the /1000 field, you know you mean 0.050
13:18 oha           if you have a table for all the currencies, and based on the currenty you have an optional secondary field with a label, then that second field might be "[ ... ] /1000" or "[ ... ] cents/pennies" or "[ ... ] /5"
13:17 tuxayo        Joubu:  I was hoping to find a simple fix to handle the worse part of the bugs (decimal truncation and x100 of the amounts) while a super complete solution while be ready (in a very long time).
13:14 petter        For inspiration, check out the source code for the number formatters from the ICU project.. I guess it should be fairly complete, taking into account all locale information
13:14 oha           tuxayo: luckily, there won't be fractional numbers of bugs on this...
13:13 tuxayo        And the others I haven't found yet. Are there others actually?
13:13 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12310 normal, P5 - low, ---, victor.grousset, ASSIGNED , Accept different monetary formats as input
13:13 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17462 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, alexbuckley, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Pay fines not accepting ',' for EUR currency input
13:13 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18186 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , Plack config: Amounts with decimal comma instead of decimal dot breaking payments
13:13 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18723 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , Dot not recognized as decimal separator
13:13 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19521 minor, P3, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , Partial fine payment is not working with comma decimal separator
13:13 tuxayo        Joubu: It's about bug 19521 bug 18723 bug 18186 bug 17462 bug 12310
13:13 oha           TIL
13:13 eythian       oh, tuxayo beat me to it.
13:13 oha           Joubu: not sure. i jumped in explaining why you should not expect only cents
13:13 eythian       oha: New Zealand has a 45 minute tz
13:12 tuxayo        oha: Even 45 min round timezones actually https://www.timeanddate.com/time/time-zones-interesting.html
13:12 Joubu         what's the context of this discussion, is it related to a patch?
13:10 oha           tuxayo: oh yes. they even invented "half hours" timezones... so expect the worst, always
13:09 tuxayo        oha: You mean a country that invent something else? (now I know what my next nightmares will be about)
13:09 oha           OTOH, 99.9% of the cases are probably in the first 2 categories, so you might want to propose 2 fields and the second accept cents
13:09 Joubu         the code of this in/out stuff is scary (cf ML)
13:08 tuxayo        ^^
13:08 oha           tuxayo: yeah exactly. and hopefully it won't change anytime soon
13:08 tuxayo        s/that/than
13:08 oha           the good news is that i can't find other cases than 1) no decimal, 2) cents, 3) thousandths 4) fifths
13:08 tuxayo        oha: actually I'm relieved that there is nothing else that 1000th, 100th 10th and 5th. It could have been worse.
13:07 oha           tuxayo: usually there are few hundreads, of which most of them fails in several cases.... :(
13:06 tuxayo        oha: Maybe there a JS library that magically handles everything? ^^"
13:04 oha           maybe 3+4/5
13:04 oha           but i guess i would say 3 4/5
13:03 oha           i found the info here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_circulating_currencies
13:03 oha           i don't know. i've never been there
13:03 tuxayo        oha: how do you write "three and four fifths" in Mauritania
13:01 oha           if you know upfront the locale, you can parse a string properly tho
13:01 Joubu         hi #koha
13:01 oha           tuxayo: and in mauritania you might have to write 2/5 :)
13:00 tuxayo        indeed
13:00 tuxayo        oha: oh noooooo T_T
13:00 oha           tuxayo: no. if i type 50, do i mean 0.050 or 0.50 ?
12:59 tuxayo        Using a separate field is inconvenient for pasting and copying.
12:59 tuxayo        oha: If the decimal field lets type 3 digits, then it's okay for all use-cases isn't it?
12:44 oha           (actually there are 2 that use fifths)
12:43 oha           the idea of using a secondary field for cents is great, but there are a bounch of currencies that use thousandths instead, and it will make it messy
12:42 tuxayo        hi oleonard , hi tcohen_
12:41 tuxayo        That's why I'm hoping to split the issue in two to fix the truncations and x100 case before the rest (1.000,5)
12:41 tuxayo        «it's all over messy. I think the more simple the solution, the better» +1
12:41 tuxayo        «it might depend on the browser or if javascript is involved before it's send?» No JS involved AFAIK, but yes it depends of the browser. Do you remember which caused problems to check if that's still valid.
12:41 tuxayo        «we shoudl allow comma - just think not at the same time allow» Then I could tweak your regex do to that. Would such a patch be okay (I fear the "ultimate patch" will take a lot of time to be ready)
12:41 tcohen        morning
12:41 tuxayo        cait:
12:40 tuxayo        I'll send part by part
12:40 tuxayo        Oh no...
12:40 oleonard      Hi all
12:40 * tuxayo      sent a long message: tuxayo_2018-03-01_12:40:04.txt <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/NiDPejUNUeSWBfykmPcqLqRq>
12:38 Bhavesh       KOHA is working on "localhost"
12:38 Bhavesh       any one can help, I like to link OPAC with web site of the LIBRARY, Please
12:37 Bhavesh       Hello Friends
12:04 eythian       what is the nature of the changes?
11:59 atJano        I select do save link as to compare with the original and they have some lines changes (I use the winmerge to compare files)
11:58 atJano        It's starts to open but then stops and the body it's worng...
11:48 cait          in which way changed? can't be opened?
11:48 cait          if you don't use the feature in Koha
11:48 cait          i don't thin it's changed by Koha
11:42 atJano        everything works but the file that koha shows is changed by KOHA/apache
11:41 atJano        i mounted a shared directory windows 2013 that as the pdf files
11:40 atJano        version 17.11, I don't use the upload feature also
11:38 cait          what version of Koha? what means not showing correctly?
11:38 cait          but i think you need to give more information too
11:38 cait          atJano: sorry, we don't use the upload file feature
11:38 atJano        it seens that koha/apache has made changes to the file
11:37 atJano        I have compare both files (the one displayd by KOHA /apache and the original from CIFS) and they are diferent
11:37 atJano        hi ppl, can someone help? I have a cifs share for access some pdf files link to bibliorecords, but the pdf doesn't show correctly.
11:31 cait          bbl
11:30 cait          that's my horror stories for today ;)
11:30 paxed         same
11:30 cait          i prefer 2 a bit because we also have a global setting for how to display
11:29 cait          (browser language = template language)
11:29 cait          2) have a global setting
11:29 cait          and either 1) make it dependent on the browser language and react to it (bit dangerous as we'd need to know what each language expected)
11:28 cait          i think overall: allow one valid format for input (don't try 'accept all and Koha will figure it out)
11:27 cait          but you can also enter 1
11:27 cait          hm the last 2 numeric
11:27 paxed         i'd test for non-alphanum before "00" at end of string, then that's the cents or whatever, the rest gets non-numeric chars stripped ;P
11:25 cait          tuxayo: it's all over messy. I thinkt he more simple the solution, the better
11:24 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18186 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , Amounts with decimal comma instead of decimal dot breaking payments
11:24 cait          tuxayo: bug 18186
11:24 paxed         cait: officially "1 234,56 €"
11:23 cait          when turned to german, we suddenly had , and also problems with input
11:22 cait          it seems hard to believe, but the locale chosen for plack changed the appearance of amounts in the KOha GUI
11:22 kidclamp      cait just separate the dollars and cents fields, make it two inputs :-b
11:22 cait          we definitely had problems with it and then plack made things worse
11:22 cait          tuxayo: it might depend on the browser or if javascript is involved before it's send?
11:21 cait          tuxayo: i think we shoudl allow comma - just think not at the same time allow . :) Have a pref to set it to the kind of formatting you want to allow and use that everywhere, like we do for dates
11:21 oha           I wish one day we all agree in ISO dates and using dots for decimal separator and only ' for thousands, if any :)
11:21 tuxayo        cait: even if we type "," Firefox sends a "." to the server. (with type="number") Was that with other browsers?
11:20 cait          paxed: what kind of formatting is right for Finland?
11:20 paxed         oh boy.
11:20 cait          and it got a bit lost
11:19 cait          that's also why I had to patch it quickly
11:19 cait          we've had a lot of fun with that kind of problems when implementing Koha for the Goehte libraries
11:18 cait          because it doesn't understand , as decimal separator
11:18 cait          the validator forces you to use , and then koha truncatesit
11:18 cait          koha doesn't aceept it
11:18 tuxayo        thanks for BZ 17098
11:17 tuxayo        About type="number" that means that enough users don't type number consistently with the language of the interface?
11:17 tuxayo        cait: too much user don't thinks about trying "." when seeing a truncated amount.
11:17 cait          found it
11:17 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17098 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Validation problems with form field type "number" (decimal separator)
11:17 cait          bug 17098
11:16 cait          well or switch to English templates before doing anything with money... but that's not really nice
11:15 cait          and remove the HTML5 number
11:15 cait          it works currently if you stick to .
11:15 tuxayo        cait: «'allow it all' leads to problems along the road» → More problems than the current? (trucation and x100 to some sums)
11:15 cait          sorry for typos :)
11:14 cait          having to wrtie them as i see with thousand separators optional
11:14 cait          that's why i think tying currencyformat = display and input together could make sense
11:14 kidclamp      et al
11:14 kidclamp      morning cait
11:14 cait          the currencyformat pref has swiss now too
11:13 tuxayo        cait: swiss: only handwrited maybe (hopefully)
11:12 cait          i think swiss is 1'000,00
11:12 cait          that's why i think 'allow it all' leads to problems along the road
11:11 khall         1,000.50 in US
11:11 khall         right cait
11:11 tuxayo        T_T
11:11 tuxayo        ↑another example
11:11 cait          1.000,50 in German
11:11 tuxayo        cait: 1,000.40 ?
11:11 cait          decimal and thousand separators
11:11 cait          german and US are good examples because between them it's just switched
11:11 cait          yes, and 1000 in german
11:10 tuxayo        cait: 1.000 is one in the US right?
11:10 cait          khall: right?
11:10 cait          1,000 = 1000 in US
11:10 cait          ah sorry
11:10 cait          in acq for example
11:10 cait          what happens if an american library enters 1.000 (thousands separator)
11:10 tuxayo        cait: Why?
11:10 cait          what I said earlier - I don't think you can allow comma and . at the same time
11:09 cait          the problem is that the browser tries to be super clever - changing the input format around depending on the language in the body
11:09 cait          it won't work with 'number'
11:09 cait          and have it correctly deducted from an existing fine
11:08 cait          install german templates, try to enter 1.10
11:08 cait          tuxayo: the problem is ont too strict validation - it made it impossible to enter amounts
11:07 cait          it was the fastest 'hot fix' I could come up with
11:07 cait          tuxayo: yes
11:06 tuxayo        paste: this only accepts "." right?
11:06 tuxayo        cait: the 2 other tabs already work like that. (type="number") Would it be acceptable to have a bit too restrictive validation (to get rid of the truncating and x100 bug) ? While a more flexible validation will be developed.
11:05 cait          Joubu: ping me when you are around plz?
11:05 cait          morning kidclamp
11:04 cait          i am quite sure i brought it up at a meeting, not sure why I didn't patch it properly in the end
11:04 cait          tuxayo: http://paste.koha-community.org/59
11:02 cait          but can't spot the right bug right now where it hought i had fixed it... maybe i only did it locally *hides*
11:02 cait          tuxayo: i think it will apply whenever you enter decimal
11:00 cait          switch to english, .
11:00 cait          so if you look at german templates, the form thing expects , as separator and will complain otherwise
10:59 cait          the problem is that it changes validation depending on the language you select
10:59 cait          tuxayo: i will try to dig up the bug
10:57 cait          sorry, was afk, reading back, will answer
10:56 * tuxayo      <3 lists.koha-community.org (mailman) that sends periodically an email with my password in it.
10:52 atJano        I have compare both files (the one displayd by KOHA /apache and the original from CIFS) and they are diferent
10:52 andreashm     Good. I'll ping him as well.
10:52 atJano        hi ppl, can someone help? I have a cifs share for access some pdf files link to bibliorecords, but the pdf doesn't show correctly.
10:51 khall         ah, yes. I'll have to ping Tomas about that. Better make sure it still applies!
10:51 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19469 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Add ability to split view of holds view on record by pickup library and/or itemtype
10:51 andreashm     khall: you haven't heard of any progress for bug 19469 have you? I saw Tomas now listed as QA contact.
10:51 khall         I'm happy to talk. I've been geeking over this stuff for years now
10:50 khall         lol : )
10:50 andreashm     Ignore me. =)
10:50 khall         it's like an 'undo' button where reverse just turns a payment into a fine of the same amount
10:49 andreashm     ah it logs! perfect
10:49 khall         it's a much cleaner implementation, puts everything back the way it was, and logs the voids in both the fines log and the account offsets
10:49 andreashm     Difficult to track if something goes wrong.
10:49 khall         Voids are meant to get rid of the mess that reverse has ; )
10:49 andreashm     As an administrator of such things, payments that are made and then cleared away again, would not be ideal.
10:48 andreashm     Void payments also seem scary to me. The reverse payment option already creates a mess. (Or maybe this functionality would take care of that?)
10:47 andreashm     ok.
10:47 khall         andreashm: that bug fixes a long standing issue where account credits never go away. Right now in Koha if you owe $10 and have a $10 'credit' your account will be 0, but you still owe the $10. That bug just says 'pay off the $10 fee with the $10 credit so everything is nice and proper again'
10:47 tuxayo        The idea was that it be a fix while BZ 12310 is finished (which could take time: functional decision if this is indeed what we want + QA work to validate that the technical solution is correct)
10:47 tuxayo        cait: are their issues with <input type="number">?
10:46 andreashm     the way amount outstanding _works_ I intended to write
10:45 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18805 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add ability to use up account credits
10:45 andreashm     khall: am I reading it correctly that bug 18805 would change the way amount outstanding? I don't know if I am to fond of that idea.
10:44 andreashm     khall: good! but partial payments could be affected?
10:43 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12310 normal, P5 - low, ---, victor.grousset, ASSIGNED , Accept different monetary formats as input
10:43 tuxayo        Indeed it's not as versatile as bug 12310
10:43 khall         cait: what are you looking for ; )
10:43 tuxayo        cait:  avoid the html5 feature really? That's what I was going to propose T_T
10:43 khall         andreashm: it shouldn't affect that, the accountlines table remains essentially untouched
10:42 tuxayo        cait: maybe I can fix bug 18186 by the same occasion.
10:42 andreashm     Must see how this change affects our heavy use of api call for fines (accountlines)
10:42 * cait        looks at khall for that
10:41 cait          s
10:41 cait          and we need to avoid the html5 feature
10:41 khall         andreashm: still plenty of bugs to go thought ; ) https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/showdependencygraph.cgi?id=18786
10:41 cait          input as you display it makes the most sense
10:41 cait          i think the cleanest option for nice would probably to tie it the currencyformat pref
10:41 andreashm     Nice. We hope to upgrade to 17.11 in the summer.
10:41 cait          accept , and . as separators the same time
10:41 khall         it's in 17.11+!
10:41 andreashm     khall: ah! 17.11?
10:41 cait          my thinking is, we can't have both
10:41 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18186 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , Amounts with decimal comma instead of decimal dot breaking payments
10:41 cait          bug 18186
10:41 atJano        I have compare both files (the one displayd by KOHA /apache and the original from CIFS) and they are diferent
10:40 khall         andreashm: the account offsets is in Koha now!
10:40 * andreashm   haven't been paying attention to that lately
10:40 andreashm     how are things progressing with the accounts offsets table? khall? =)
10:40 cait          tuxayo: we have a reoccurring problem with Plack and fines
10:40 tuxayo        cait: that's what I meant also. I case the UI was going to change there.
10:40 cait          andreashm: but any detail questions you shoud ask khall ;)
10:39 cait          andreashm: with the accounts offsets table things shoudl get more manageable for partials
10:39 khall         hi!
10:39 cait          tuxayo: meant the partial payments
10:39 tuxayo        hi khall
10:39 atJano        hi ppl, can someone help? I have a cifs share for access some pdf files link to bibliorecords, but the pdf doesn't show correctly.
10:38 khall         mornin!
10:38 magnuse       hiya khall
10:37 andreashm     hi khall
10:36 andreashm     I applaud the effort!
10:36 tuxayo        cait: is there work in progress there? Because that might change my plans to fix the separator issues in paycollect.tt
10:33 cait          it should get better
10:32 andreashm     Mmm, partial fine payment, my favorite function. *Irony*
10:30 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12310 normal, P5 - low, ---, victor.grousset, ASSIGNED , Accept different monetary formats as input
10:30 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17462 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, alexbuckley, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Pay fines not accepting ',' for EUR currency input
10:30 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18186 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , Amounts with decimal comma instead of decimal dot breaking payments
10:30 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18723 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , Dot not recognized as decimal separator
10:30 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19521 minor, P3, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , Partial fine payment is not working with comma decimal separator
10:30 tuxayo        T_T
10:30 tuxayo        Decimal separator issues are a mess. Does anyone know if there are other bugs than bug 19521 bug 18723 bug 18186 bug 17462 bug 12310
10:29 magnuse       hi tuxayo
10:28 andreashm     hej magnuse!
10:28 tuxayo        hi andreashm hi magnuse
10:27 magnuse       hiya andreashm
10:27 tuxayo        whoops, fixed nick ^^
10:26 andreashm     hi tuxayo_afk
10:25 tuxayo_afk    hi #koha o/
10:04 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19469 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Add ability to split view of holds view on record by pickup library and/or itemtype
10:04 andreashm     oh, good, bug 19469 now has a QA contact! I now know who to bug! (pun intended) =)
10:03 cait          and that if you found the article and are redirected to the serial, it seems kind of silly for the user to rhave to enter the information again manually from the record they just visited (article title, pages, etc.)
10:02 cait          my point was that a request directly on a separately catalogued article might be what libraries want in some cases
10:02 cait          ?
10:02 cait          marcelr: was not talking abut acq itemsß
09:59 * andreashm   waves
09:22 paxed         anyone got that in any of the 041 fields? ;)
09:21 paxed         tlh - Klingon (Artificial language)
09:20 drojf         hi marcelr
09:19 marcelr       hi drojf
09:13 marcelr       cait: didnt fully get your point on acquisition items on the art request enhancement; i am just interested in separately catalogued records for articles in serials
09:12 marcelr       hi cait
09:11 huginn        cait: The operation succeeded.
09:11 cait          @later tell LeeJ can you ping me when around? I'd like to ask something about your work on plugins :)
08:50 oha           now works for me too
08:48 LibraryClaire oha seems to work for me
08:48 oha           is bugzilla down?
08:41 LibraryClaire hi gaetan_B
08:29 gaetan_B      hello
08:17 magnuse       the coconuts are just asbout ripe here
08:17 eythian       here the seagulls and other waterfowl are slowly being compressed into the unfrozen parts of the canals.
08:17 magnuse       it sure is!
08:16 eythian       magnuse: looks pretty tropical there.
08:15 huginn        LibraryClaire: Konstanz, Germany :: Snow :: 20F/-7C | Wind Chill: 13F/-11C | Thursday: Cloudy with snow showers mainly during the morning. High 34F. Winds NE at 5 to 10 mph. Chance of snow 90%. Snow accumulations less than one inch. Thursday Night: Partly cloudy skies. Hard freeze expected. Low 21F. Winds NE at 5 to 10 mph.
08:15 LibraryClaire @wunder konstanz
08:07 marcelr       sounds like norway
08:06 magnuse       "Thursday Night: Bitterly cold." eh?
08:06 huginn        magnuse: Bodo, Norway :: Mostly Cloudy :: 28F/-2C | Wind Chill: 23F/-5C | Thursday: A mix of clouds and sun. High around 30F. Winds ENE at 10 to 15 mph. Thursday Night: Bitterly cold. A few clouds. Low 18F. Winds ENE at 10 to 15 mph.
08:06 magnuse       guten morgen BüchereiKlara
08:06 magnuse       @wunder bodo, norway
08:04 magnuse       i might be a bit confused by *miles* per hour
08:04 magnuse       hehe
08:04 marcelr       hi magnuse : you cant have it all
08:03 magnuse       with that wind i would have expected even more windchill?
08:01 eythian       yep, definitely nice windchill
08:00 huginn        eythian: Amsterdam, Netherlands :: Partly Cloudy :: 21F/-6C | Wind Chill: 4F/-16C | Thursday: Windy with a mix of clouds and sun. High near 30F. Winds E at 25 to 35 mph. Thursday Night: Partly cloudy skies with gusty winds. Low 17F. Winds E at 20 to 30 mph. Winds could occasionally gust over 40 mph.
08:00 marcelr       nice wind chill
08:00 eythian       @wunder amsterdam
08:00 eythian       marcelr: well, I just biked to work. I'll be staying inside for the next while :)
07:57 huginn        paxed: Joensuu, Finland :: Mostly Cloudy :: 3F/-16C | Thursday: Overcast. High 13F. Winds light and variable. Thursday Night: Bitterly cold. Cloudy. Low 4F. Winds light and variable.
07:57 paxed         @wunder joensuu
07:54 marcelr       stay inside ;)
07:54 eythian       (not here though, doesn't look safe here yet.)
07:53 eythian       marcelr: you should be out skating on the ice!
07:52 marcelr       o/
07:52 alex_a        hello LibraryClaire marcelr
07:51 reiveune      \o_
07:51 LibraryClaire :)
07:51 marcelr       hi LibraryClaire
07:51 LibraryClaire hi marcelr, reiveune, alex_a
07:49 marcelr       hi #koha
07:41 alex_a        bonjour
07:39 reiveune      hello
07:36 LibraryClaire hey magnuse :)
07:18 magnuse       \o/
06:14 petter        good morning
06:02 fridolin      hi
04:00 CSS           i have issues with bringing my server online