Time  Nick           Message
07:24 reiveune       hello
07:53 alex_a         bonjour
07:53 wahanui        que tal, alex_a
08:33 passerBy       hola
08:34 passerBy       any spanish speakers her
08:34 passerBy       ?
08:36 cait           good morning #koha
08:39 passerBy       hola
08:39 passerBy       no spanish speakers here? i read it on reddit
08:39 josef_moravec  hi cait
08:42 passerBy       vale, adios
08:54 cait           hi josef_moravec :)
08:55 cait           good morning ashimema :)
09:01 eythian        hi
09:02 josef_moravec  hi eythian
09:24 ashimema_      Morning #koha
09:27 josef_moravec  hi ashimema_
09:29 LibraryClaire  hi #koha
10:03 eythian        say "hi, $_" foreach qw( ashimema_ josef_moravec LibraryClaire cait );
10:04 josef_moravec  eythian: ;)
10:06 LibraryClaire  o/
10:08 cait           hi eythian :)
11:19 paxed          Joubu: re. docs/history.txt, i think developer is spelled like that, not developper?
11:36 cait           paxed: thx for the translation bugfixes
11:39 paxed          cait: relearning koha, so starting with tiny fixes
11:39 magnuse        paxed++
12:16 oleonard       Hi all
12:50 * cait         waves
12:51 oleonard       Hi cait
12:51 LibraryClaire  hi oleonard
12:51 wahanui        hi dear loon
12:51 oleonard       Hi LibraryClaire
13:40 oleonard       What if we take out some columns in the table of saved reports and put the info in a modal?
13:40 oleonard       http://zivotdesign.com/p/view.php?p=15180107152426
13:42 LibraryClaire  I like the modal - would leave notes column in the table though?
13:43 oleonard       yeah I think we'd have to have a international election on which columns to keep. The vote would be: all of them :|
13:44 LibraryClaire  XD
13:44 eythian        make it configurable
13:45 LibraryClaire  syspref or option to show/hide columns
13:45 eythian        the latter, i think. It'd probably best be a per user thing.
13:45 oleonard       I'll bet it could be made to work dynamically with the show/hide columns thing
13:45 * eythian      distracts from his own tricky programming challenges right now.
13:46 LibraryClaire  I prefer show/hide columns
13:46 LibraryClaire  and I like the idea of hiding info I don't need
14:29 Joubu          paxed: thanks, I will fix the typo
14:29 cait           oleonard: what is type?
14:29 wahanui        type is, like, used for some things, like how to convert it when saving, and things like that
14:30 oleonard       I'm not sure cait. Saved guided report vs. saved SQL report?
14:32 cait           is there a difference visible once they are saved?
14:32 cait           we don't use guided reports, so possibly i never noticed
14:38 oleonard       I've got type 1 and type (empty). The schema shows the comment "always 1 for tabular"
14:39 cait           ah
14:40 cait           i think that might date back to the time where we offered more types - but only tabular was ever implemented
14:40 cait           probably i woud not display it
14:55 oleonard       I think I'll start a Koha Academy that forcibly conscripts participants.
14:56 Joubu          yes please, every two days
14:59 Mfuerst        Hey BW folks - is the server for bwsdev.bywatersolutions.com having issues again? Getting a 403.
16:09 reiveune       bye
16:12 tuxayo_afk     Hi, is there someone from ByWater?
16:13 oleonard       bag, barton, khall?
16:18 oleonard       I guess not tuxayo_afk
16:22 barton         I'm here!
16:22 barton         ... mostly.
16:31 bag            @later tell Mfuerst is this the site you are looking for?  http://devs.bywatersolutions.com/
16:31 huginn`        bag: The operation succeeded.
16:39 cait           josef_moravec++ and alex_a++
16:54 tuxayo         thanks oleonard :)
16:56 tuxayo         barton: hi, about your sandboxes, when testing a Bug that doesn't compile. It also breaks the config page of the sandbox. Which makes it unusable http://staff.sandbox2.sandbox.bywatersolutions.com/cgi-bin/koha/sandbox.pl
16:59 barton         tuxayo: I'll have khall take a peek. I think that larryb, is also looking at some apache issues on that box.
17:14 Joubu          @later tell marcelr Hi Marcel, can you take a look at bug 19530#c10?
17:14 huginn`        Joubu: The operation succeeded.
17:14 tuxayo         barton: thanks :)
17:28 tuxayo         Is there a guideline somewhere for syspref and variable names? Did I miss a place where to search? https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/System_Preferences
17:30 Joubu          camelCase, complete words, readable, meaningful
17:34 saa            how to upgrade koha 16.11 with new version of koha and with mariadb can one straight upgrade it without disturbing or it is necessary to backup database and then import
17:34 tuxayo         Joubu: for the syspref, should it be upper camel case ? (initial upper case letter) Other than that, same a variables?
17:34 tuxayo         *as
17:36 Joubu          yep CamelCase, sorry :)
17:51 tuxayo         Joubu:  In https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/System_Preferences#.pref_files
17:51 tuxayo         does «A name, which has the same syntax as a variable » refers to the naming conventions?
17:55 Joubu          I do not know what it means
17:57 tuxayo         Joubu: nor do I. The use of "syntax" is distrubing
18:16 tuxayo         see you tomorrow!
18:36 cait           tuxayo_afk: i tihnk variable here just refers to the database column - the pref: name should match what is in the db - also the same spelling/capitalization
18:41 Joubu          cait: should be "the same name of the variable" then?
18:48 cait           possibly
18:49 cait           that's what I think it means - but it's not very exactly written
18:51 cait           general irc meeting in an hour?
18:53 tcohen         next meeting?
18:53 wahanui        i think next meeting is https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Next_IRC_meetings
18:53 tcohen         damn
18:55 * oleonard     has already registered his apologies
18:55 * tcohen       just cursed
19:04 cait           not sure, was there a reminder?
19:04 oleonard       I don't think so. It was on my calendar.
19:04 oleonard       Joubu++ # useful calendar
19:04 cait           :)
19:07 cait           should we try and send a late reminder?
19:07 cait           oleonard: maybe still take a look at my button proble? *looks at you hopefully*
19:08 cait           @seen kidclamp
19:08 huginn`        cait: kidclamp was last seen in #koha 5 days, 1 hour, 43 minutes, and 16 seconds ago: <kidclamp> drive by ping!
19:08 oleonard       cait: I did, but I didn't come up with any brilliant ideas.
19:09 oleonard       Do we really need to have all that information in the button?
19:09 cait           in my opinon 'file' would do
19:09 cait           if all the  exports work the same, it seems like repeated information
19:11 cait           i think the problem was that CSV (comma...) doesn't fit for non-comma separated
19:14 cait           reminder sent
19:14 cait           good morning kathryn :)
19:15 kathryn        hi cait, I hope you enjoyed india :)
19:15 cait           it was great, thank you :)
19:15 cait           kathryn: did our christmas card arrive?
19:16 oleonard       cait: The issue is that "CSV" might be misleading because it could use some other delimiter?
19:16 cait           yes
19:17 kathryn        cait:  this will sound terrible but I don't *think* it did
19:17 cait           as far as I understood
19:17 cait           kathryn: :( we sent it right before christmas, same address as always
19:17 cait           wonder what happened
19:19 oleonard       cait: In my opinion "CSV" is commonly understood to refer to a file which may be delimited by commas or something else
19:19 kathryn        cai: hmmn, if it shows up I will apologise profusely! Thanks for sending it :D When looking for it just now, I found a collections of cards from you
19:20 cait           oleonard: cool
19:20 cait           could you note that?
19:20 cait           we then could decide to just push the first patch
19:20 cait           and leave the buttons as is
19:20 oleonard       On the bug?
19:20 cait           kathryn: don't worry, we will keep sending them every year - even if it doesn't show pu
19:21 cait           i will check if we have a digital version tomorrow
19:25 cait           oleonard: yes plz!
19:25 cait           wb josef_moravec :)
19:27 oleonard       Bye all
19:29 kathryn        hi and bye oleanard :)
19:29 kathryn        too late, wrong spelling!
19:29 cait           he always does that quick leaving thing - I have given up :)
20:01 mkuhn          Hi Koha
20:01 cait           hi all
20:01 cait           get ready :)
20:02 cait           #startmeeting General IRC meeting 7 February 2018
20:02 huginn`        Meeting started Wed Feb  7 20:02:40 2018 UTC.  The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
20:02 huginn`        Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
20:02 huginn`        The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_7_february_2018'
20:02 cait           #topic Introductions
20:02 wahanui        #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
20:02 cait           Please introduce yourself following wahanui's example
20:03 mkuhn          #info Michael Kuhn, Switzerland
20:03 clintD         #info clint deckard, Anact, NZ
20:03 cait           #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_7_February_2018 Today's agenda
20:03 Joubu          #info Jonathan Druart
20:03 josef_moravec1 #info Josef Moravec, Municipal Library Usti nad Orlici, Czech Republic
20:03 cait           #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
20:03 cait           giving it another minute
20:04 m23_KohaCZ_    $info Koha Czech community
20:04 cait           #info :)
20:05 cait           hm should have probably escaped that somehow
20:05 thd            # info, Thomas Dukleth, New York City via Denver
20:05 cait           m23_KohaCZ_: do you want to correct before I switch topics?
20:06 m23_KohaCZ_    #info Michal Denar, KohaCZ
20:06 cait           #topic Announcements
20:06 cait           anyone? :)
20:06 thd            # info, Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City now Denver
20:07 cait           Joubu: ?
20:07 Joubu          nothing from me
20:07 cait           ok, no announcements, moving on
20:07 cait           #info no announcements were made
20:08 cait           #topic Update on releases
20:08 cait           Rmaints?
20:08 wahanui        Rmaints is kidclamp (17.11), fridolin (17.05), rangi (16.11)
20:08 * cait         learned that trick from Joubu
20:08 Joubu          About 18.05: I have a lot of things to tell you :) I am currently writing the next what's on in koha-devel emails I am going to publish tomorrow hopefully
20:08 Joubu          so just read it when it will be published :)
20:09 Joubu          (even if it is a bit long)
20:09 cait           will do :)
20:10 cait           #info Please find all info about 18.05 in the next What's on email from Joubu to be released soon
20:10 cait           moving on again?
20:10 cait           this is going to be a quick on
20:10 cait           e
20:10 cait           if somoene something they want to discuss - please pm or state here
20:11 cait           sorry, my keyboard is giving me a bit of trouble tonight, a bit slower than usual
20:11 cait           #topic QA Team
20:11 cait           QA team?
20:11 wahanui        QA team is hunting all the bugs!
20:11 cait           QA?
20:11 wahanui        hmmm... QA is Quality Assurance?
20:11 cait           hm... we need to fix that :)
20:11 cait           the queue was high, we got it down some, it got up back high (almost 140) - we got it down some again (currently around 90)
20:12 cait           i hope we can push it down some more this time around
20:12 * Joubu        flaps QA team with RJ45 cables
20:12 Joubu          qa_team?
20:12 wahanui        qa_team is, like, alex_a jajm marcelr khall kidclamp tcohen josef_moravec
20:12 cait           we are also working to get the long sitting bugs out of the queue
20:12 wahanui        okay, cait.
20:13 cait           so please have some more patience
20:13 cait           i have added a bug to the agenda
20:13 cait           bug 19928
20:13 huginn`        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19928 normal, P5 - low, ---, victor.grousset, Signed Off , Acquisitions' CSV exports should honor syspref "delimiter"
20:13 cait           i was looking for opinions on the changed buttons
20:14 cait           oleonard suggested earlier that CSV can be interpreted not strictly as only comma separated in english but generally means some kind of ... separated values in everyday's use
20:14 cait           so I will suggest to stick with the current labelling for shorter descriptions
20:14 cait           last but not least... if you want to join QA, let me know ;)
20:14 cait           Joubu: ?
20:15 Joubu          yes?
20:15 cait           or anyone else, something want to add as a topic or to this one before we move to setting the date?
20:15 thd            However, having two different competing names for the same function could be a source of confusion.
20:17 cait           why competing?
20:18 thd            A different expectation for some people seeing system preferences screens and acquisition screens.
20:18 cait           i am sorry, but I don't understand
20:19 cait           maybe epxlain to me after the meeting?
20:19 thd            Sorry, maybe I am reading something extra into the problem the bug report was supposed to raise.
20:19 thd            Comment withdrawn.
20:20 cait           #topic Set date of next meeting
20:20 cait           so wednesday in march
20:20 cait           march 7
20:20 Joubu          yep
20:20 cait           14 utc?
20:21 cait           I will read the quiet as agreement :)
20:21 cait           #info Next meeting: 7 March 2018, 14 UTC
20:21 cait           thx all!
20:21 cait           #endmeeting
20:21 huginn`        Meeting ended Wed Feb  7 20:21:57 2018 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
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20:22 clintD         Thank you. Best wishes to all
20:23 josef_moravec1 cait++
20:23 mkuhn          Have a nice evening (if you're living in around Central Europe like me)
20:23 cait           quick meeting - some more time for bugs :)
20:23 Joubu          we have lost the Documentation meetings
20:23 cait           true
20:23 cait           we should get in touch with the documentation team
20:24 thd            Joubu, Do you mean that they had not set a new date for meeting or do you mean some other form of lost?
20:27 cait           we missed one meeting and no new date was set since
20:28 thd            Ah, the lost your skipping stone sense of lost :)
20:30 thd            [skipping stone is a weather rounded stone with flat sides which can 'skip' across a body of water if thrown properly.]
20:31 thd            s/skip/bounce/
20:32 cait           :)
20:36 Altiplano      Hi to all!
20:37 cait           hello
20:37 wahanui        hi, cait