Time  Nick          Message
00:06 mtompset      gmcharlt: I think wunder is horribly US-ian-centric.
00:09 wizzyrea      it's worse than it used to be, it seems
00:12 pianohacker   yo
00:47 mtompset      Greetings, gmcharlt wizzyrea pianohacker :)
00:47 mtompset      @seen Joubu
00:47 huginn        mtompset: Joubu was last seen in #koha 7 hours, 23 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: <Joubu> kohagit32??
00:47 mtompset      I fear to look up what that conversation was about.
01:00 TGoat         good night everyone!
01:01 wizzyrea      later
01:39 mtompset      Have a good night.
01:40 mtompset      Have a great day (24 hour period).
01:40 mtompset      Lack of caffeine reverted to bad exit. :)
07:24 cait          still stuck trying to figure out 20001 - fixed a template bug, but now stuck on the next error
07:24 cait          bug 20001
07:24 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20001 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, REOPENED , ILL: Adding a 'new request' from OPAC is not possible
07:38 reiveune      hello
07:46 magnuse       ~~~
07:46 alex_a        bonjour
07:46 wahanui       que tal, alex_a
08:06 marcelr       hi #koha
08:16 gaetan_B      hello
08:16 wahanui       what's up, gaetan_B
08:29 paxed         any way to recover my old bugzilla user? the email i used isn't available anymore
08:35 tuxayo        hi #koha o/
08:38 andreashm     hi tuxayo
08:55 * andreashm   is curious if anyone in the qa team is looking at bug 19469? =)
08:55 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19469 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Add ability to split view of holds view on record by pickup library and/or itemtype
08:56 cait          not sure someone started yet, but we will get to it
08:57 * andreashm   wishes he could to thmubs up on irc
08:57 andreashm     thumbs up.
08:58 fridolin      hi
09:00 cait          hi fridolin
09:00 fridolin      cait: bonjour
09:00 wahanui       bidet, fridolin
09:06 BLUE_ICE      hello
09:07 andreashm     hi
09:07 wahanui       privet, andreashm
09:07 BLUE_ICE      how to run on the web for client?
09:08 BLUE_ICE      url:8080 is running but the client page is not running
09:08 cait          you mean the opac?
09:08 BLUE_ICE      yes cait
09:08 cait          the frontend for the users of the library
09:08 BLUE_ICE      yes please help
09:09 BLUE_ICE      i gues i miss to install?
09:10 BLUE_ICE      im running Koha version:	3.18.00.000
09:10 cait          are you just starting to use Koha?
09:10 cait          so is this a fresh installation?
09:11 cait          the OPAC is always installed, more likely to be an Apache issue - but 3.18 is super old, you should not use that
09:11 BLUE_ICE      actually it was running 1 year i leave it for a year
09:11 cait          3.20, 3.22, 16.05, 16.11, 17.05, 17.11 released since
09:12 BLUE_ICE      so need to install a new one?
09:12 BLUE_ICE      how can i backup my files ? sorry for this newbie on opac :)
09:13 BLUE_ICE      or what about upgrading?
09:13 BLUE_ICE      is the files losT?
09:15 cait          IosT?
09:17 BLUE_ICE      lost i mean
09:21 BLUE_ICE      just asking how to backup the database and patch it on the new installations possible?
09:22 cait          update will depend on how you installed, but of course it will be possible
09:23 cait          dumping your mysql database is enough if you didn't change files locally
09:23 cait          it has your data and all of the configuration
09:23 cait          updated should always be tested first - having a test installation to do that with is always good
09:25 magnuse       acquisitions.pref#CurrencyFormat# 360'000.00 (CH) - what does the CH mean?
09:25 cait          if you aren't using package installations yet, you might want to do that :)
09:25 cait          magnuse: swiss
09:28 magnuse       cait: thanks
09:37 BLUE_ICE      i will be back tomorrow have no time :) need your help when i get back here :)
09:37 BLUE_ICE      thanks cait
09:55 cait          hi paul_p
09:55 paul_p        hi cait. Seen your email about the hackfest. Great !
09:55 paul_p        (will send you the link to gdoc later)
09:56 cait          thx!
09:56 cait          paul_p: going to advertise hea in my presentation in India
09:59 paul_p        cait ++++++
09:59 paul_p        cait (I didn't knew you're going to India. Where ? which conf ? )
09:59 cait          Library Technology Conclave - next week
10:01 paul_p        where is it in India ?
10:01 cait          Goa
10:05 clrh          Hi, who is Mike 'black 23) on bz ?
10:06 cait          i think it's someone from czech - did you check his email ?
10:06 clrh          black23 on gmail
10:06 clrh          I am discovering your convesration about gdpr
10:06 clrh          and wiki page
10:06 wahanui       it has been said that wiki page is not completely up to date, but it should give you an idea of the steps involved
10:06 clrh          and bz 18081
10:12 magnuse       gdpr?
10:12 magnuse       gdpr is bug 18081 and https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Improve_data_protection_and_patron_privacy
10:12 magnuse       gdpr?
10:12 wahanui       i heard gdpr was bug 18081 and https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Improve_data_protection_and_patron_privacy
10:12 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18081 new feature, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , [omnibus] GDPR (General Data Protection Regulation)
10:12 cait          magnuse: new european laws for data privacy etc
10:12 magnuse       i know, just training wahanui :-)
11:13 fridolin      yop, koha-perldeps unstable is still in 17.06, should be in 17.12 no ?
11:32 alex_a        @seen tcohen
11:32 huginn        alex_a: I have not seen tcohen.
11:34 tuxayo        Hi, I'm trying the KohaDevBox but after getting into the box. What one must to do have a usable instance? What I did:
11:34 tuxayo        - Install missing deps (libsearch-elasticsearch-perl)
11:35 tuxayo        - reset_all
11:35 tuxayo        logs:
11:35 tuxayo        DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Unknown column 'me.date_renewed' in 'field list'
11:37 cait          yu should not need to install somehting i think
11:37 cait          it should just work
11:37 cait          localhost:8080 an dlocalhost:8081
11:38 cait          and for elasticsearch check the github page - there is a param i think, but haven't quite mastered that yet
11:38 tuxayo        cait: the install of a dep was necessary to avoid a compile error
11:38 cait          hm
11:38 cait          not sure there
11:38 wahanui       i guess not sure there is a better way to do it
11:38 tuxayo        the goal is not even to use ES, just to run the tests and QA tools
11:39 cait          yep
11:39 cait          so what happens when you go to localhost:8080?
11:39 cait          from your host
11:40 tuxayo        cait: oh the OPAC work
11:40 cait          :)
11:40 tuxayo        but "Internal Server Error" in staff
11:40 cait          try restart_all
11:40 cait          in vagrant ssh
11:40 tuxayo        cait: already done
11:40 cait          no change?
11:41 tuxayo        a search in the opac gives «Internal Server Error»
11:41 cait          take a look at the plack log - koha-plack-err
11:41 tuxayo        cait: that's were «DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Unknown column 'me.date_renewed'» comes from
11:41 cait          hm
11:41 cait          are you on the master branch?
11:41 tuxayo        Has anyone done a fresh DevBox recently?
11:43 cait          it sounds liek there is some mismatch with your schema
11:43 cait          i'd check you are on master and maybe try a reset_all
11:43 cait          bbl
11:43 tuxayo        Yep, I'm on master. I'll do another reset_all
11:45 tuxayo        cait: now it works. I don't get why?
11:46 tuxayo        Maybe we had to do a `reset_all` after a `dbic`. That's what we tried before.
11:49 tuxayo        cait: should I just have needed a `reset_all` after the first ssh login?
11:59 tcohen        dbic runs against a separate db
12:30 cait          reset all gives you a clean db
12:30 cait          maybe something from testing was odd?
12:42 LibraryClaire oleonard angry?
12:42 oleonard      No I'm good :)
12:43 LibraryClaire :D
13:16 tuxayo        I confirm that one has to install libsearch-elasticsearch-perl on a fresh DevBox
13:19 tuxayo        Is there a way to have a working DevBox with just commands? (not using the web installer).
13:32 cait          tuxayo: don't know how but i think so - you could load a sample db
13:32 cait          into the empty db
13:34 * tuxayo      sent a long message: tuxayo_2018-01-18_13:34:43.txt <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/VYwMFlwbaTnxQxrZSpKqEnCF>
13:35 tcohen        @later tell matts I updated the RFC, but didn't fill all the holes
13:35 huginn        tcohen: The operation succeeded.
13:35 tcohen        https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Acquisitions_funds_endpoint_RFC
13:36 oleonard      git fetch... "fatal: Could not read from remote repository."
13:37 oleonard      anyone else having that problem today?
13:37 tuxayo        All tests successful.
13:37 tuxayo        :D
13:41 tcohen        next meetings?
13:41 wahanui       next meetings is https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Next_IRC_meetings
13:49 oleonard      Perhaps I've done something to offend git and git is shunning me?
13:51 Joubu         oleonard: I get fatal: read error: Connection reset by peer
13:51 Joubu         so it's not you :)
13:52 tuxayo        DevBox users: can someone try `cd /home/vagrant/qa-test-tools; prove -v t/Perl.t` to check if their QA Tools work?
13:52 tuxayo        I have two error in my DevBox but don't know if that's to be expected.
13:52 magnuse       oleonard: "Never attribute to chance that which is adequately explained by malice"?
13:52 tuxayo        magnuse: Don't we usually say the contrary? :-P
13:52 magnuse       hehe, probably
13:53 Joubu         tuxayo: fail for me as well
13:53 oleonard      No, I think magnuse has captured my outlook perfectly.
13:58 mtompset      Greetings, #koha.
13:59 tuxayo        Joubu: So we have 2 tests (of the QA Tools test suite) that fail in my non-DevBox install and my DevBox install and your DevBox install. Then it's worth a bug report for the QA tools right?
14:00 Joubu         tuxayo: yes, there is the "Project Infrastructure" project on bugzilla
14:00 tuxayo        Joubu: thanks :)
14:02 Joubu         tuxayo: sounds like the verbose flag does not work correctly
14:02 Joubu         it is just an output issue I guess
14:03 Joubu         try `qa -c 1 -v 1` and `qa -c 1 -v 2`
14:03 Joubu         the output is the same, -v 1 should only display the filename, not the details
14:07 tuxayo        Joubu: I ran the suite with `prove -v t/Perl.t` so I don't know where to make these changes.
14:09 tuxayo        Joubu: understood
14:10 tuxayo        You meant to try these commands on a koha repo to see that the output is the same.
14:10 Joubu         yes
14:11 Joubu         I will take care of that, it should be easy to fix for me. Unless you want to :)
14:12 tuxayo        Here is the report bug 20029
14:12 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20029 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, NEW , Verbosity issue that makes the QA tools test suite report 2 failures
14:18 tuxayo        Joubu: It's the first time I use this tool, so I don't feel it would be efficient to dive in it's code now ^^"
14:19 tuxayo        Joubu: Maybe for the DevBox if there are easy fixes to make it work with Ubuntu 16.04 (xenial)
14:19 tuxayo        (I haven't proved yet)
14:21 * tuxayo      sent a long message: tuxayo_2018-01-18_14:21:40.txt <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/UQdGoxNsKpXBPtyYctbCCvHi>
14:29 Joubu         tuxayo: git bz config
14:57 tuxayo        Joubu: Successfully applying a patch is enough?
14:58 Joubu         yes
14:58 tuxayo        Joubu: thanks, now I can enjoy the DevBox :D
15:15 tuxayo        QA Test Tools: How does one tests HEAD? I ran `qa -v 1 -c 1` and it tested HEAD~1
15:15 Joubu         c is the number of commit
15:15 Joubu         so -c 1 will test HEAD
15:16 Joubu         it checkouts HEAD~1, run the tests, checkouts HEAD, run the tests, and compare the result ouput
15:16 Joubu         output
15:16 tcohen        tuxayo: it compares HEAD with 1 less
15:18 tuxayo        Thanks, I missunderstood the message «testing 1 commit(s) (applied to 94cd276 'Bug 19918: Close span tag in opac-reg')»
15:18 tuxayo        That indeed means that it's testing my commit which is HEAD
15:18 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19918 trivial, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , span tag not closed in opac-registration-confirmation.tt
16:12 clrh          'soir
16:35 tuxayo        mtompset++ thanks for the signoff of bug 19928 :)
16:35 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19928 normal, P5 - low, ---, victor.grousset, Signed Off , Acquisitions' CSV exports should honor syspref "delimiter"
16:36 mtompset      tuxayo: No problem. I think the comment #21 is just a complaint about the test plan not being explicit enough for those unfamiliar with translation.
16:36 mtompset      When you write test plans, assume the person knows nothing except how to read and follow instructions.
16:37 mtompset      try not to leave "secret" knowledge implicit.
16:37 mtompset      Yes, I'm bad: "run koha qa test tools"
16:38 mtompset      Because to be honest, I had difficulty with the translation portion of the testing.
16:38 mtompset      Because I don't know what fuzzy, etc. is.
16:38 mtompset      This is why I generally avoid translation related bugs.
16:39 mtompset      People don't write test plans so that I learn what the secret knowledge is.
16:39 mtompset      Which is why I re-wrote the test plan for another bug I just signed off on, because the person couldn't figure out how to trigger the secondary case.
16:40 reiveune      bye
16:41 mtompset      Speaking of secret knowledge...
16:41 mtompset      @seen cait
16:41 huginn        mtompset: cait was last seen in #koha 3 hours, 8 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <cait> into the empty db
16:41 mtompset      Actually, your name is on the list of people commenting, tuxayo
16:41 mtompset      How do I trigger ILL?
16:42 tuxayo        mtompset: I though `perl translate update YOUR_LANG` and `perl translate install YOUR_LANG` was explicit enough.
16:42 mtompset      I enabled the ILL module system preference.
16:42 tuxayo        mtompset: about bug 20001?
16:42 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20001 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , ILL: Adding a 'new request' from OPAC is not possible
16:42 mtompset      Yep.
16:42 mtompset      Because it eyeballs perfectly.
16:42 mtompset      It passed qa test tools.
16:43 mtompset      I just want to trigger the change.
16:44 tuxayo        mtompset: actually I tried to understand just to follow this bug that seemed important. And found the  error about pointing to the wrong comment. But I don't understand the issue as I don't know how ILL works.
16:44 tuxayo        See you tomorrow all!
17:00 mtompset      Does anyone know about the interlibrary_loan section of the koha-conf.xml file?
17:15 Joubu         mtompset: see bug 7317
17:15 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7317 new feature, P5 - low, ---, alex.sassmannshausen, Pushed to Master , Add an Interlibrary Loan Module to Circulation and OPAC
17:15 mtompset      I'm almost there...
17:15 mtompset      My problem is the stupid ILLIBS code doesn't seem to be changed.
17:16 mtompset      I really hate caching...
17:17 Joubu         mtompset: just pick the ill section of koha-conf.xml from the one in the repo
17:17 Joubu         lunch time
17:17 mtompset      restart all fixed my problem.
17:45 cait          Joubu++ mtompset++
17:45 cait          :)
17:46 mtompset      Thanks, cait.
17:55 mtompset      YAY! For the next few minutes, at least, I'm #1 :)
17:56 mtompset      http://dashboard.koha-community.org/  sign offs for January :)
18:02 cait          heh
18:02 cait          have to prepare presentations, so pretty out of it right now :( will be back
19:17 barton        happy birthday oleonard!
19:17 oleonard      Thanks barton :)
19:17 oleonard      I caught up with you again. Thanks for not lording it over me for the past couple of months.
19:18 * barton      admits that he had to go on to facebook and make sure that it wasn't tomorrow.
19:18 oleonard      I accept lavish gifts on both days.
19:19 * barton      sends oleonard a gift certificate for git.koha-community.org
19:23 * oleonard    gets matching git.koha-community.org t-shirt and ball cap
19:29 mtompset      It's your birthday, oleonard? Happy Birthday!
19:29 oleonard      Thanks mtompset!
19:43 barton        oleonard: tomorrow it's a bushel of peach fuzz, and rabbit tracks on toast.
19:43 oleonard      thumbs_up.png
19:59 oleonard      Bye all
20:03 mtompset      @seem khall
20:03 huginn        mtompset: I've exhausted my database of quotes
20:04 mtompset      @seen khall
20:04 huginn        mtompset: I have not seen khall.
20:04 mtompset      @seen khall_away
20:04 huginn        mtompset: I have not seen khall_away.
20:04 mtompset      Well, that is just lovely.
20:04 mtompset      @later tell khall bug 18725 rebase. :)
20:04 huginn        mtompset: The operation succeeded.
20:33 blou          holà Koha!
20:33 blou          Any TT expert in the house today? :)
20:34 blou          I'll throw my question to the wind anyway: how do we test for "if defined" in .tt ?
20:38 Joubu         [% IF var.defined %]
20:39 Joubu         but... smells wrong :)
20:41 blou          hahaha
20:42 blou          hey, that works!!!  smells funny, but it's much cleaner than all the alternatives I've seen to far
20:43 blou          [% ActionsLoo.from_field %][% IF ( ActionsLoo.from_subfield.defined ) %]$[% ActionsLoo.from_subfield %][% END %]
20:43 blou          without your suggestion, I could not get the "$0" to display
20:48 blou          thanks a lot for the help!
23:51 bag           bug 20039
23:51 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20039 is not accessible.
23:52 bag           @seen rangi
23:52 huginn        bag: I have not seen rangi.
23:52 mtompset      That's an interesting bug, bag
23:52 bag           Joubu?  you about?