Time  Nick       Message
00:01 KotH       wizzyrea: an addendum about the barcodes: i've tried a few out, and the most reliable and compact i've found are qr codes. everything else takes a lot more space and needs better printing quality
00:01 wizzyrea   ah right
00:03 sen        KotH: are you planning to barcode and/or spine-label your private library? (just curious)
00:04 KotH       sen: koha needs for internal management barcodes (aka a number) to identify books. w/o them you cannot lend anything
00:04 KotH       sen: so i started printing small barcode labels
00:05 sen        right, I was just curious if you planned to physically apply that to your books, some people put it on an index card tucked in the front or something
00:05 KotH       sen: yes i apply them
00:05 sen        cool. QR code is an interesting idea, makes sense density-wise
00:06 KotH       sen: http://time.kinali.ch/qr-10030.png
00:06 KotH       sen: generated with a small perl script
00:07 KotH       sen: printed using https://git.kinali.ch/attila/ptouch_printer
00:07 KotH       sen: on a PT-P750W
00:07 sen        neat :)
00:08 KotH       well.. i've been shaving a few yaks lately :)
00:10 KotH       sen: i've been using koha a while now (without the barcodes), and overall i'm very happy
00:11 KotH       nice little tool. easy installation and maintenance. very easy to use, even for a non-professional like me
00:12 sen        Not sure "little" is real, but I'm glad ;)
00:12 KotH       well... if i compare it to other web apps i've been using, koha is the smallest
00:13 KotH       gitlab needs a VM of its own, with >4G ram and ~10G diskspace
00:13 KotH       drupal 2GB ram, 2G disk
00:13 KotH       openproject, 2GB ram, 1G disk
00:13 KotH       ...
00:14 sen        Okay, resource-wise that makes sense yeah :)
00:14 KotH       and of those, koha takes least time to maintain
00:14 rangi      Koha does way more than all of those too, its just we don't go for the throw more RAM at it approach
00:14 KotH       rangi: no, koha doesn't go for the "i don't know what i'm doing so i just add more code" approach
00:15 sen        I almost didn't believe it when I read the (low) requirements, heh.
00:15 * KotH     could rant for hours about web "developers"
00:17 KotH       sen: actually, koha needs lot of resources. it's not small. but it has a proper design, where someone thought about what should be done and how. it's that "normal" webapp these days are written by people who have no f***ing clue and just plug things together like a 4y old toddler plugs lego together to buidl a plane or car
00:23 KotH       when i say i can rant for hours about web developers, i mean that :)
01:15 KotH       sen: btw: if you want to do the barcode thing and are using linux: get a webcam
01:16 KotH       sen: they are cheaper than real barcode scanners, and work better
01:17 sen        I don't use Linux on my desktop (Mac) and am happy using a "real" one, I've always found them to work well and they're easier/quicker to aim and such, what is "better" about webcam ones?
01:18 KotH       sen: if you are only dealing with 1D codes, then the hand scanners are ok. but if you have 2D codes, they get expsnive and still dont work well
01:18 KotH       sen: i tried some in the 100€ class and they were just a waste of money
01:19 KotH       a 50€ webcam from logitech with some oss software beats them all :)
01:23 sen        Ahh, I actually use Aztec code for a darkroom system and it works great, using a Motorola MS1200 reader. But to each their own :) This will be Code 39 anyways, so not as taxing on a reader as 2D symbologies.
01:27 KotH       sen: yeah.. for code39, handreaders are faster :)
07:37 alex_a     bonjour
07:37 wahanui    niihau, alex_a
08:53 jenkins    Project Koha_17.05_D8 build #56: SUCCESS in 37 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_17.05_D8/56/
08:53 jenkins    * david.bourgault: Bug 19683: Fix authority types in tools/export template
08:53 jenkins    * fridolin.somers: Bug 19646: fix value_builder marc21_linking_section template
08:53 jenkins    * m.de.rooy: Bug 19646: (QA follow-up) Fix tab character
08:53 jenkins    * fridolin.somers: Bug 19640: fix OPAC IdRef webservice display
08:53 jenkins    * fridolin.somers: Bug 18833: Plugin unimarc_field_210c pagination error
08:53 huginn     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19683 normal, P5 - low, ---, david.bourgault, Pushed to Stable , Export.pl does not populate the Authority Types dropdown correctly
08:53 huginn     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19646 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Pushed to Stable , value_builder marc21_linking_section template is broken
08:53 huginn     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19640 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Pushed to Stable , IdRef webservice display is broken
08:53 huginn     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18833 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Pushed to Stable , plugin unimarc_field_210c pagination error
09:31 jenkins    Project Koha_17.05_D8 build #57: SUCCESS in 37 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_17.05_D8/57/
09:31 jenkins    * kyle: Bug 19533: Hold pulldown for itemtype is empty if hold placement needs
09:31 jenkins    * simon.pouchol: Bug 19692: fix unclosed div in opac-shelves.tt
09:31 jenkins    * david.bourgault: Bug 19681: Correct result count formatting
09:31 huginn     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19533 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , Hold pulldown for itemtype is empty if hold placement needs override
09:31 huginn     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19692 trivial, P5 - low, ---, simon.pouchol, Pushed to Stable , Unclosed div in opac-shelves.tt
09:31 huginn     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19681 trivial, P5 - low, ---, david.bourgault, Pushed to Stable , label-item-search.pl result count formatting error when there is only one page
10:03 cait       you are loud jenkins!
10:03 cait       good morning #koha!
10:34 tuxayo     Hi, does anyone know if it's possible to contact another translator through Pootle?
10:49 cait       tuxayo: sorry, there is not way to see the email addresses
10:49 cait       maybe i can tell you who it is, which one are you looking for?
10:51 tuxayo     cait: http://translate.koha-community.org/accounts/BruceCrisp/
11:06 cait       hm sorry :(
11:16 cait       tuxayo: maybe try the koha-translate mailing list?
11:16 fridolin   kidclamp: pb i think in 17.11.x
11:16 kidclamp   what's up frido?
11:18 fridolin   kidclamp: there is an updatedatabase to 17.11.00.001
11:18 fridolin   but verison is still 17.11.00.000
11:18 fridolin   Bug 19724
11:18 huginn     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19724 normal, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Stable , Add timestamp to biblio_metadata and deletedbiblio_metadata
11:18 kidclamp   ah
11:20 kidclamp   thanks frido, have to hit a few things and will fix
11:20 fridolin   ;)
11:21 fridolin   im on backport to 17.05.x
11:25 tuxayo     cait: thanks :)
12:05 jenkins    Project Koha_17.11_D8 build #18: SUCCESS in 31 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_17.11_D8/18/
12:05 jenkins    * david.gustafsson: Bug 19563: Generation of sort_fields uses incorrect condition
12:05 jenkins    * Nick Clemens: Bug 19563: Unit tests
12:05 jenkins    * Nick Clemens: Bug 19563: (follow-up) Restore checking sort variable
12:05 jenkins    * Jonathan Druart: Bug 3841: Add the ACQ framework for new installations
12:05 huginn     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19563 major, P5 - low, ---, glasklas, Pushed to Stable , Generation of sort_fields uses incorrect condition
12:05 jenkins    * Jonathan Druart: Bug 19746: Remove debug statements in returns.pl
12:05 jenkins    * claire.gravely: Bug 19769: 'Pickup library is different' message does not display
12:05 jenkins    * Nick Clemens: Update version after bug 19724
12:05 huginn     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3841 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Add a Default ACQ framework
12:05 huginn     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19746 minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Debug statements are left in returns.pl
12:05 huginn     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19769 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, claire_gravely, Pushed to Master , 'Pickup library is different' message does not display library branch name when placing hold
12:05 huginn     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19724 normal, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Stable , Add timestamp to biblio_metadata and deletedbiblio_metadata
12:37 marcelr    hi #koha
12:38 oleonard   Hi marcelr and everyone
12:39 marcelr    hi oleonard
12:39 wahanui    hi oleopard
12:42 caboose    hello!
12:48 gaetan_B   hello
13:01 oleonard   So, uh... Bug 19474 still applies!
13:01 huginn     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19474 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Convert staff client CSS to SCSS
13:18 jenkins    Project Koha_17.05_D8 build #58: SUCCESS in 37 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_17.05_D8/58/
13:18 jenkins    * oleonard: Bug 19643: Pagination buttons on staged marc management are stacking
13:18 jenkins    * Nick Clemens: Bug 18990: Overdue Notices are not sending through SMS correctly
13:18 jenkins    * cnighswonger: Bug 10222: Error when saving Demco label templates
13:18 jenkins    * mtompset: Bug 10222: Correct and expand to other languages
13:18 jenkins    * Jonathan Druart: Bug 19638: Remove false positive obsolete reports (auth_header.marcxml)
13:18 huginn     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19643 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Pagination buttons on staged marc management are stacking instead of inline
13:18 jenkins    * Nick Clemens: Bug 19724: Add timestamp to biblio_metadata and deletedbiblio_metadata
13:18 jenkins    * fridolin.somers: Bug 19724: DBRev 17.05.06.001
13:18 huginn     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18990 normal, P5 - low, ---, nick, Pushed to Stable , Overdue Notices are not sending through SMS correctly
13:18 huginn     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10222 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Stable , Error when saving Demco label templates
13:18 huginn     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19638 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , False positives for 'Update SQL' button
13:18 huginn     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19724 normal, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Stable , Add timestamp to biblio_metadata and deletedbiblio_metadata
13:32 jenkins    Project Koha_17.11_D8 build #19: SUCCESS in 29 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_17.11_D8/19/
13:32 jenkins    * Nick Clemens: Bug 17182: Allow Keyword to MARC mapping for acquisitions searches
13:32 jenkins    * julian.maurice: Bug 17182: (QA follow-up) Fix call to GetMarcBiblio
13:32 jenkins    * Jonathan Druart: Bug 19560: Correctly escape branchcode in admin/branches.pl
13:32 huginn     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17182 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nick, Pushed to Stable , Allow Keyword to MARC mapping for acquisitions searches (subtitle)
13:32 jenkins    * oleonard: Bug 19767: Remove unused serial-issues.pl script
13:32 jenkins    * Nick Clemens: Bug 19706: Fix bad json formed when there are no CCODE values
13:33 jenkins    * josef.moravec: Bug 19706: (QA follow-up) Hide the collection code selector if no value
13:33 jenkins    * Jonathan Druart: Bug 19759: Make TestBuilder generates only 2 decimals for float
13:33 jenkins    * Jonathan Druart: Bug 19759: Fix failing test in Chargelostitem.t
13:33 huginn     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19560 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Unable to delete library when branchcode contains special characters
13:33 jenkins    * Nick Clemens: Bug 19806: Add classes to itemnotes in issues table
13:33 huginn     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19767 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , serial-issues.pl is unused and should be removed
13:33 huginn     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19706 major, P3, ---, nick, Pushed to Stable , Item search: Unsupported format html
13:33 huginn     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19759 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , TestBuilder generates too many decimals for float
13:33 huginn     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19806 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nick, Pushed to Stable , Add class to items.itemnotes_nonpublic
14:40 Joubu      rangi: Bookseller.t passes for me on master
15:13 cait       kidclamp: you are pushing lots of string changes after string freeze :(
15:13 cait       that will all appear untransalated after an update for the libraries
15:14 cait       bug 69775 is an example
15:14 huginn     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=69775 could not be retrieved: InvalidBugId
15:14 cait       sorry, bug 19560
15:14 huginn     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19560 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Unable to delete library when branchcode contains special characters
15:15 kidclamp   hmm...okay..I made a mistake - I was seeing text did not change, but not considering spaces etc
15:15 cait       yeah, it's trikcy
15:15 cait       if else constructs often appear as one string
15:15 cait       so even a change int he logic changes the string in pootle
15:16 cait       if you are not sure, you can run the update on translations - to see the difference
15:16 kidclamp   should they remain for now or be reverted?
15:17 cait       it's admin, so i think not that bad
15:17 cait       if you don't want to revert
15:23 * cait     sends kidclamp cookies
15:23 cait       sorry for jumping at you
15:26 * kidclamp eats cookies and cries
15:26 kidclamp   :-D
15:29 cait       tears of happiness? they are very good cookies... (i hope)
16:43 huginn     New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 19664: Reports sidebar menu should match list of reports on reports home page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0b5d6441aa8b62efdac2bb1ba09a13cdae088a8b> / Bug 19658: Style fix for staff client lists page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0928edc4ef5ad4774dbd8f0fa34bc444ae84ba85> / Bug 18313: Remove delicious link on social networks <http://git.koha-community
17:05 oleonard   Bug 19851
17:05 huginn     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19851 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Improve responsive layout handling of staff client menu bar
17:05 oleonard   https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=69957
17:05 huginn     New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7143: Update about page for new dev - Isabel Grubi <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4421681f48b1728a1d50f751a2d69154abf85dfc> / Bug 7143: Update about page for new dev - Bonnie Crawford <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3fb0099ecee47b3a30e60dc861f608a4383e0450> / Bug 7143: Update about page for new dev - Sherryn Mak <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=k
17:05 oleonard   don't upstage me huginn
17:21 greenjimll olenard: that looks like an improvement to me. Do many people use the staff interface in browser windows < 768 pixels (other than hackers like us with 15000 windows open)?
17:28 jenkins    Project Koha_Master_D8 build #317: SUCCESS in 40 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/317/
17:28 jenkins    * claire.gravely: Bug 19678: Clicking Cancel when adding New Course to course reserves
17:28 jenkins    * lari.taskula: Bug 19636: Hold priority changes incorrectly via dropdown select
17:28 jenkins    * priya.patel: Bug 19713: Remove 2 occurences of OpacShowLibrariesPullDownMobile
17:28 jenkins    * sherryn: Bug 13676: Fixing the OpacSuppression description
17:28 jenkins    * bonniecrawford: Bug 18819: "UNIMARC is used in Europe" text changed to "UNIMARC is used
17:28 huginn     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19678 normal, P5 - low, ---, claire_gravely, Pushed to Master , Clicking Cancel when adding New Course to course reserves shows message Invalid Course!
17:28 jenkins    * isabel.grubi: Bug 18313: Remove delicious link on social networks
17:28 jenkins    * oleonard: Bug 19658: Style fix for staff client lists page
17:29 huginn     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19636 normal, P5 - low, ---, lari.taskula, Pushed to Master , Hold priority changes incorrectly via dropdown select
17:29 jenkins    * oleonard: Bug 19664: Reports sidebar menu should match list of reports on reports
17:29 huginn     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19713 trivial, P5 - low, ---, priya.patel, Pushed to Master , 2 occurrences of OpacShowLibrariesPulldownMobile have not been removed
17:29 huginn     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13676 trivial, P5 - low, ---, sherryn, Pushed to Master , OpacSuppression description says 'items' but means 'records'
17:29 huginn     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18819 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, bonniecrawford, Pushed to Master , Correct "whereas UNIMARC tends to be used in Europe." in web installer files
17:29 huginn     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18313 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, isabel.grubi, Pushed to Master , Remove Delicious icon from OPAC social network links
17:29 huginn     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19658 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Style fix for staff client lists page
17:29 huginn     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19664 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Reports sidebar menu should match list of reports on reports home page
18:10 jenkins    Project Koha_Master_D8 build #318: SUCCESS in 40 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/318/
18:10 jenkins    * Jonathan Druart: Bug 7143: Update about page for new dev - Priya Patel
18:10 jenkins    * Jonathan Druart: Bug 7143: Update about page for new dev - Sherryn Mak
18:10 jenkins    * Jonathan Druart: Bug 7143: Update about page for new dev - Bonnie Crawford
18:10 jenkins    * Jonathan Druart: Bug 7143: Update about page for new dev - Isabel Grubi
18:10 huginn     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Bug for tracking changes to the about page
18:11 tcohen     TFW you remember a return inside a Try::Tiny block is returning from the try/catch block, not the whole function...
18:37 tcohen     bye #koha
18:37 ibeardslee love those jenkins comments at 07:10 NZDT!
19:06 oleonard   I'm back!
19:15 rangi      Joubu: its to do with the mariadb version I think, it fails in stretch
19:17 Joubu      that's weird
19:18 rangi      like if i change the float, to a decimal in the db it passes
19:18 rangi      if not, 2.0000 becomes 2
19:18 rangi      in the object
19:18 rangi      its weird
19:30 tcohen     rangi: maybe a bug in DBD::mysql?
19:31 rangi      or DBIx::Class
19:31 wahanui    hmmm... DBIx::Class is the direction we're going, though.
19:31 rangi      either way, something to investigate on stretch anyway
19:32 tcohen     when we wrote Koha::Object::TO_JSON we noticed the mysql driver wasn't handling some numbers as Perl numbers, but as strings
19:32 tcohen     I blamed DBIC, but at the bottom, it was a problem in DBD::mysql
19:32 rangi      its interesting it seems fine in jessie
19:32 tcohen     it is worth reporting if you belive there's a bug
19:32 tcohen     it took them 1 day to provide the fix
19:33 rangi      and seems weird in stretch
19:33 rangi      but havent got time to investigate more until the new year
19:33 tcohen     pmvers DBD::mysql?
19:36 tcohen     Joubu: bug 19841
19:36 huginn     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19841 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , AddMember should raise an exception if categorycode is invalid
19:55 oleonard   rangi: Bug 19854
19:55 huginn     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19854 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED INVALID, spam
19:56 rangi      ta
19:56 rangi      gone
19:57 * oleonard Congratulations, l33t hacker, for posting a bug report.
20:00 oleonard   Bye all. Bug 19474.
20:00 huginn     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19474 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Convert staff client CSS to SCSS
20:21 Joubu      I have finally understand the point of the "alert" table and why the code was wrong. I removed it, see bug 19855
20:21 huginn     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19855 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Move the "alert" code to Koha::Subscription
20:22 Joubu      It will hopefully prevent other brains to burn reading it
20:46 merry_n    Hi
20:46 wahanui    bidet, merry_n
20:47 merry_n    I wonder if there's someone who catalogs archives in Koha?
20:47 merry_n    Is there a way to create multilevel hierarchy in Koha?
20:48 merry_n    Fonds>>Series>>Sub-series>>File>>Item
22:35 * cait     waves