Time  Nick            Message
22:29 huginn          Joubu: The operation succeeded.
22:29 Joubu           @later tell rangi I contacted openhub guys and they updated the project's info!
21:57 huginn          Joubu: The operation succeeded.
21:57 Joubu           @later tell LeeJ bug 11115 is a priority for me
21:22 cait            have a nice evening LeeJ
21:21 LeeJ            well I think that's enough for one day..have a good night #koha
21:21 LeeJ            cait: no worries! I'll find it eventually :)
21:20 cait            it was some time ago - took a while with the translations :(
21:19 LeeJ            cait: okay...I'll have to look back in the meeting minutes when I get chance then :)
21:19 cait            after translations were sorted out
21:19 cait            with an option to link to a local copy if a library wants it (url preference or similar)
21:18 cait            it was on my todo list to ask on the mailing list if linking to the manual instead of included help files would be ok
21:18 cait            LeeJ: we had discussed it at an irc meeting
21:14 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11115 new feature, P5 - low, ---, indradg, NEW , Pull help files from the manual
21:13 LeeJ            Joubu: obviously it's nowhere near top priority but I know you've done some work with the Help files..what do you think about this docs bug I just noticed? Bug 11115
20:42 LeeJ            indeed!
20:42 cait            lots of things going on tonight
20:41 cait            :)
20:39 huginn          Joubu: The operation succeeded.
20:39 Joubu           @later tell rangi openhub has the "new dev" info indeed, but the last update for the Koha project was 9 month ago...
20:23 Joubu           yep
20:22 cait            Joubu: worth mentioning in your next newsletter :)
20:15 Joubu           as you said it's not that bad, we will see easily what is missing (and catch typo)
20:15 Joubu           it's the default, we can change that if needed
20:11 cait            but i guess sorting them you could easily see which ones are missing
20:11 cait            so we put all images in the same directory?
20:11 cait            :)
20:10 Joubu           translated screenshots for the manual: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Translating_the_Koha_Manual#Add_translated_screenshots
20:05 Joubu           cait: yes, automatically of course
20:05 cait            but tedious to do manually, need an automated workflow then :)
20:05 cait            Joubu: ebub and pdf would be nice
20:03 LeeJ            great :)
20:03 cait            NEW means filed but noone took it
20:03 cait            LeeJ: i think noone adopted one yet
20:00 LeeJ            cait: am I correct that only the 'NEW' status is used for Documentation bugs currently when searching for open documentation bug reports?
19:56 LeeJ            Joubu: it's...so beautiful :')
19:56 Joubu           imagine with epub and pdf! ;)
19:55 wizzyrea        it's pretty good :)
19:54 Joubu           that rocks, right?
19:54 Joubu           https://koha-community.org/documentation/
19:50 cait            :)
19:50 huginn          Joubu: The operation succeeded.
19:50 Joubu           @later tell rangi found them on translate.k-c.org! Do not now if it is expected
19:35 * LeeJ          instantly bookmarks
19:35 LeeJ            Joubu: :O
19:34 Joubu           LeeJ: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/sphinxcontrib-programscreenshot
19:23 tcohen          bye #koha
19:23 oleonard        I will Joubu, thanks
19:23 Joubu           oleonard: let me know the exact error when you can
19:23 Joubu           oleonard: I recreated a 500 (method description called on undefined value) when the item was using an itemtype that was not defined in the system
19:20 oleonard        Joubu I'm on a different machine now and can't reproduce it. LibraryClaire said she got the error too so I guess she and I should compare notes.
19:18 Joubu           oleonard: what is the error you got with the transferstoreceive.pl script?
19:17 oleonard        I'm here Joubu
19:17 huginn          Joubu: The operation succeeded.
19:17 Joubu           @later tell oleonard what is the error you got?
19:13 LeeJ            I'll talk with the other two when they're on again :P
19:11 Joubu           (it's just a suggestion ;))
19:11 Joubu           the filters will permit to only display the koha manual cards
19:11 Joubu           I'd would make sense to me to use it for everything koha related (when a kanban board is needed)
19:10 Joubu           LeeJ: we already have lot of guys on the existing board, but not much activity
19:09 LeeJ            Joubu: didn't think about it honestly
18:56 edveal          Time to go to the reference desk. bbiab
18:53 Joubu           LeeJ: why do not you use the existing kanban?
18:49 LeeJ            edveal along those lines
18:49 LeeJ            big tasks basically meaning things like doing another scour to make sure we have all previously-merged features, etc. included
18:49 edveal          Ah so it is more like Toggle
18:48 LeeJ            I'm working on a basic informational wiki right now as well as adding the "big tasks" under Epics
18:48 tcohen          Slack is for messaging
18:48 LeeJ            well taiga functions as a kanban board
18:47 edveal          Oh yes...
18:46 LeeJ            edveal: are you familiar with the concept of kanban?
18:45 LeeJ            edveal: very similar
18:45 edveal          LeeJ got your Taiga invite, So it is like Slack?
18:31 cait            ah the browser remembered :)
18:31 cait            hm let me chck which email i use for taiga
18:30 LeeJ            cait: it's bare because I just created it 5 minutes ago
18:29 LeeJ            of course you are! It's rather bare but still :)
18:29 cait            i'd like to peek, if i am welcome :)
18:29 LeeJ            like we would mark our name next to documentation that needed to be done
18:29 cait            assigned?
18:29 LeeJ            exactly
18:28 cait            maybe keep the framapad and move from there to kanban for those who are not members
18:28 LeeJ            since for 17.11 we had "assigned" documentation parts I think it makes sense
18:28 cait            sounds good
18:28 LeeJ            cait: that and also to hopefully somewhat structure documentation progress
18:27 cait            coordinate work?
18:27 wahanui         the purpose is probably to add Invoice management.
18:27 cait            what's the purpose?
18:27 cait            heh
18:27 LeeJ            even though you passed documentation off I thought I'd offer anyway :)
18:26 LeeJ            cait: just an FYI...I thought we could try a taiga kanban for 18.05 docs this round...would you like to be added as a member? :)
18:25 cait            :)
18:25 * LeeJ          waves to cait
18:22 caboose         thanks LeeJ!
18:22 LeeJ            caboose edveal I sent a taiga invitation link and made both of you fellow admins on the project
18:17 LeeJ            as am I
18:17 caboose         I'm UTC -5...
18:17 LeeJ            apparently whois is very off...it says I'm in Quebec :P
18:15 LeeJ            edveal: judging from the WHOIS on your handle..am I correct you're UTC - 8?
18:15 caboose         I'm good all day tomorrow except for 1-2...and all day thursday except 2-3
18:14 LeeJ            same..I'm good pretty much any time outside of 10-11:30 AM EST
18:13 caboose         can we meet up some time this week..I'd like to get a good idea of our strategies :)
18:13 caboose         sweetness
18:13 LeeJ            caboose edveal https://tree.taiga.io/project/ldjamison-kohadocs-1805/kanban
18:11 caboose         LeeJ++
18:11 caboose         sweet
18:10 LeeJ            edveal don't worry..it's pretty easy to get the hang of :)
18:10 LeeJ            then I'll make a Taiga for it and we can play around with it :)
18:10 caboose         I'm more familiar with it :)
18:10 caboose         I like Tiaga
18:09 LeeJ            caboose: same question to you that I just asked edveal...thoughts on taiga over the current framapad for kohadocs TODO? (taiga is what was used for project management for the 17.11 release)
18:09 caboose         hi LeeJ!
18:09 * LeeJ          waves to caboose
18:03 Joubu           charles: did you report the bug? Does it happen on master too?
18:01 wahanui         somebody said the error you got was about wrong password comparison, try to find what strings are compared
18:01 Joubu           oleonard: what is the error you got?
17:58 edveal          None at the moment, I have just had a few minutes to look at the current framepad and don’t know a lot about taiga (never used it)
17:55 LeeJ            edveal: thoughts on a taiga over the current framapad for a docs TODO?
17:54 LeeJ            heya edveal
17:52 edveal          Hi LeeJ
17:40 LeeJ            hi #koha
17:40 * LeeJ          waves
17:30 oleonard        Bye all
16:56 oleonard        Joubu: If you meant that there was a pending transfer item with an invalid itemtype, that doesn't seem to be the case. For what it's worth.
16:13 charles         koha has some scripts to review the structure of the database
16:12 kidclamp        oleonard++
16:12 charles         hi guys, i'm running the fines script on koha 16.11.12 and it shows me the following errors https://pastebin.com/a7Rn0MZw
15:35 reiveune        bye
15:31 Joubu           )
15:31 Joubu           à
15:31 Joubu           (just a guessà
15:31 Joubu           oleonard: it's the itemtype, it does not exist
15:28 jenkins         Jonathan Druart: Koha 17.12 - Panuku (start of a new dev cycle)
15:28 jenkins         Project Koha_Master_D8 build #301: SUCCESS in 40 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/301/
15:27 oleonard        Joubu: In master I get "internal server error" when trying to access circ/transferstoreceive.pl
15:24 Joubu           "the problem"?
15:14 oleonard        I give up.
15:13 oleonard        Okay, I was going to try to git bisect the problem with transferstoreceive.pl but someone is going to catch fire, my computer or me.
14:48 cait            :)
14:48 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: Koha 17.12 - Panuku (start of a new dev cycle) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=af7d618d2b12655631e9febae74c222367495900>
14:48 Joubu           ready?
14:40 tcohen          hi gaetan_B
14:37 wahanui         hi, gaetan_B
14:37 gaetan_B        hello
14:32 huginn          Joubu: The operation succeeded.
14:32 Joubu           @later tell rangi only en, fr and es work apparently
14:32 huginn          Joubu: The operation succeeded.
14:32 Joubu           @later tell rangi I'd like to add the links from the website
14:32 huginn          Joubu: The operation succeeded.
14:32 Joubu           @later tell rangi can you generate the manual translated for the other languages please?
14:31 cait            added some things like epayment options and oauth
14:31 cait            hope it's all good
14:30 tcohen          cait++
14:27 cait            done - https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/APIs_and_protocols_supported_by_Koha
14:21 cait            heh
14:19 oleonard        having to switch between branches with file name case changes on a Windows machine is what will finally drive me over the edge
14:16 tcohen          Joubu++
14:12 * tcohen        just didn't think disabling the REST api would be ok
14:12 oleonard        Okay. Joubu's suggestion worked.
14:11 tcohen          oleonard: I haven't read your question which Joubu is answering, sorry, out of context
14:11 cait            nope, changed as you said first
14:11 tcohen          (using POST to perform updates, but not important)
14:10 tcohen          cait: I don't think is REST
14:10 oleonard        tcohen: It is installed
14:09 cait            the rfc one?
14:09 cait            is the wiki page the one we shoudl refer to?
14:09 cait            but changing, sounds good
14:09 tcohen          oleonard: just install libmojolicious-plugin-openapi-perl
14:09 cait            i think it was referring to the biblios api that is REST
14:09 oleonard        Joubu: The psgi files in /etc/koha?
14:07 tcohen          I'd say Koha has and older web API. A REST api is in development
14:07 Joubu           (the rest api will not work)
14:07 cait            tcohen: updating the api and protocols website because i want to link to it
14:07 Joubu           you should edit the psgi files, comment the "api" lines and restart plack
14:07 Joubu           oleonard: yes, version of swagger differ between 17.11 and 17.05
14:07 cait            sound good?
14:07 cait            Koha has an older REST API, but a newer more modern REST API is in development, several endpoints are already available.. See [[New REST API RFC]] for details.
14:07 tcohen          cait: what do you need, specifically?
14:06 pastebot        "oleonard" at pasted "I get this error after checking out 17.05.x" (2 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/97
14:06 cait            tcohen: can you help me update the rest api bit on the wiki?
14:06 Joubu           mao: 4610 submissions
14:05 Joubu           which means it is translatable :)
14:05 cait            cool
14:05 Joubu           cait: Bernardo told me that the po files for the manual are up-to-date on pootle
14:04 LibraryClaire   I love pecan anything
14:04 oleonard        cait: A chocolate pecan pie is one of my regular contributions to Thanksgiving
14:04 wahanui         somebody said expectation was that it's hidden - cait is not saying other use cases wouldn't make sense too
14:04 cait            expectation
14:04 * LibraryClaire RSVPs to oleonard's pie party
14:04 kidclamp        molasses has its uses
14:04 cait            Joubu: what's the exepcation?
14:04 kidclamp        banoffee pie is amazing though
14:03 cait            oleonard: i'd really like help with taste testing :) also pecan pie
14:03 kidclamp        fruit pies are better than those mush-pies oleonard
14:03 * oleonard      invites everyone to his house for a pie-testing session
14:03 Joubu           the next meeting date line was not formated as expected
14:03 Joubu           I have just run it
14:01 Joubu           cait: the wiki meeting pages are updated when I execute a script
14:01 oleonard        Sweet
14:01 LibraryClaire   I have never had either - are they sweet or savoury?
14:01 oleonard        I don't know if we have a quorum of Americans, but I want to know their position on the pumpkin pie vs. sweet potato pie divide.
13:59 cait            someone something to add?
13:59 cait            trying to update https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/APIs_and_protocols_supported_by_Koha
13:59 cait            :D
13:59 Joubu           cait: no idea, I need to think about it!
13:57 cait            Joubu: what's your opinion on molasses?
13:57 LibraryClaire   hi Joubu
13:57 cait            I'd like to try and find out:)
13:57 Joubu           hi #koha
13:56 LibraryClaire   The English are
13:56 oleonard        Americans aren't much for steamed sticky puddings in general
13:56 LibraryClaire   I approve of gingerbread
13:56 LibraryClaire   *treacle
13:56 LibraryClaire   *teacle
13:56 LibraryClaire   tracle pudding is a steamed sticky pudding
13:56 LibraryClaire   aaah
13:53 oleonard        Never heard of that. But you must have it for gingerbread
13:52 * LibraryClaire gives away treacle pudding
13:52 LibraryClaire   I'm not a big fan
13:52 cait            now it's a global molasses discussion :P
13:52 oleonard        LibraryClaire: Yes
13:52 * tcohen        googles
13:52 LibraryClaire   molasses is treacle, or?
13:52 oleonard        I'm in the pro-molasses camp if anyone is keeping track.
13:51 cait            it's that kind of monday
13:51 cait            oleonard: you triggered a discussion about molasses here
13:42 oleonard        My devbox is running like cold molasses today
13:40 cait            i had this yesterday on master, couldn't verify yet
13:40 cait            oleonard: while you are testing internal server errors... could yo try to add a manual lost fee without barcode and see if you get one there (when trying to pay)?
13:39 cait            hi clrh :)
13:38 clrh            :)
13:38 oleonard        Hi clrh!
13:36 clrh            hellow
13:33 eythian         It's like the apache message you sometimes see, along the lines of "your request was a 404, but I also got a 404 while trying to find the error page."
13:26 LibraryClaire   gotcha
13:25 oleonard        LibraryClaire: I think the console error happens because the error page isn't well formed
13:24 * LibraryClaire grins
13:24 LibraryClaire   sanity is overrated
13:24 oleonard        Monday log: Sanity Check #1 passed.
13:24 LibraryClaire   and a char encoding message in hte JS Console
13:23 oleonard        Thanks LibraryClaire
13:23 LibraryClaire   ie, after I changed branch I got Internal Server error
13:23 LibraryClaire   oleonard, I do if there is potentially something to receive (I think). Otherwise it just tells me no transfers
13:22 oleonard        Anyone else getting an error on circ/transferstoreceive.pl in master?
13:18 * cait          waves
13:01 eythian         sheesh!
13:01 eythian         LibraryClaire: *oleopard
13:01 tcohen          hi LibraryClaire !
13:01 tcohen          hi kidclamp, Joubu
13:01 LibraryClaire   hi tcohen, hi oleonard
13:01 tcohen          morning#koha
12:44 eythian         hi oleopard
12:39 * kidclamp      waves
12:37 oleonard        Hi #koha
11:30 kidclamp        khall is a good bet cait
11:18 cait            someone familiar with EDIFACT around?
10:34 marcelr         he just got out
10:34 eythian         ahh, would that I could
10:34 wahanui         go back to bed, eythian
10:34 marcelr         hey eythian
10:33 eythian         hoi marcelr
10:17 eythian         hello cait
10:17 cait            hi eythian
10:03 eythian         hi
09:34 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19740 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Self checks calculating wrong due dates  / configuration changes go unnoticed
09:34 cait            bug 19740
09:27 fridolin        interesing
09:27 cait            that's what we guessed
09:27 cait            so far it has been much better with memcached and using 16.11 than before without on 3.22
09:27 fridolin        maybe defaut koha cache does not support flushing
09:27 cait            and that doesn'tnotice when you change a pref
09:27 cait            I think there is some basic caching gong on without memcached
09:26 fridolin        ah strange
09:26 cait            i know that, it seems better now since we upgraded and turned on memcached
09:26 cait            yep
09:26 fridolin        you get the new value, refresh F5, you have the old one ?
09:26 wahanui         memcached is running, but I dunno it Koha uses it.
09:26 cait            and memcached
09:26 cait            yeah, but it seems better now with 16.11
09:25 cait            but the configuration issue makes it necessary
09:25 fridolin        you have seen that with plack 2 workers, when changing a syspref
09:25 cait            I think we never did the restart and it seemed fine on our installations so far -no memory leaks
09:25 fridolin        maybe there is already one
09:25 fridolin        please yes
09:25 cait            fridolin: should I file a bug report?
09:25 fridolin        for peristance and also memory leaks
09:24 fridolin        it is realy adviced
09:24 cait            yeah, that's what we plan to do now too
09:24 fridolin        btw whe added a nighly restart of SIP server
09:24 fridolin        SIP is not a command line script
09:23 cait            i thought command line scripts were not using plack
09:23 fridolin        calendar is the worst
09:23 fridolin        but is it all caches ?
09:23 cait            do you know what's cuasing it yet?
09:23 fridolin        we know that there is a Koha::Caches flush in plack.psgi
09:23 cait            ah interesting
09:23 fridolin        all sysprefs are in this case
09:22 fridolin        cait: big pb indeed, we are just on it
09:22 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19739 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Needs Signoff , Add default ES configuration to koha-conf.xml
09:22 fridolin        we are on testing ES Bug 19739
09:20 cait            is there any way around this? is this a known issue?
09:19 cait            when you change the calendar, the only thing that helps is a sip/plack/whatever restart
09:19 cait            we see problems wehre the self checks print/show the wrong due dates
09:19 cait            I've got a SIP related question
09:19 cait            atm = at the moment
09:16 fridolin        cait: btw what is ATM ?
09:16 fridolin        lets hope not
09:16 cait            sorry, it was confusing
09:16 fridolin        ok we will see if issues can be directly linked to it
09:15 fridolin        ah oki cait sorry
09:15 marcelr         added a comment in that sense
09:12 cait            because Koha tells you to activate it and that's what we did
09:12 cait            so if there are issues, we need to track them down and adjust what we tell users to do
09:12 cait            i never said that - i said that using it is what Koha recommends
09:11 fridolin        cait: ah but you dont recommand it ?
09:11 cait            but we haven't using it for long now
09:11 cait            so far no issues
09:11 cait            we have it active now
09:11 marcelr         and now i am not that motivated to enable it
09:11 cait            ?
09:11 fridolin        marcelr: yep but i dont know where to tell it
09:11 cait            no i didn't
09:11 marcelr         i didnt enable tt cache either, so i cant confirm issues
09:11 fridolin        cait confirmed there can be issues
09:10 fridolin        but with plack it is so much faster, we do not need TT cache
09:10 marcelr         it might be interesting to add a report on that
09:10 fridolin        I dont have explicit example
09:10 fridolin        there could be parts that are not the same
09:10 fridolin        marcelr: I know but we had some issues, TT should not be shared between Plack workers
09:09 marcelr         one is the code, other is the template
09:09 marcelr         fridolin: the persistance is not in the same area
09:09 cait            at the moment
09:08 cait            if you look at the Koha information tab, it will complain if either is not active it hink
09:08 fridolin        cait: ATM ?
09:08 cait            hm it's what we recommend atm
09:08 fridolin        marcelr: we add issues, 2 ways of persistance is not good
09:07 marcelr         fridolin: 17951 why not enabel TT cache under Plack?
08:30 cait            we have a little bit of snow dusted over everything
08:27 fridolin        walkways for whitewalkers ....
08:23 josef_moravec   the winter is comng... )
08:22 josef_moravec   fridolin: me too ;)
08:22 oha             fridolin: we had ice on the walkways for several weeks now :(
08:21 fridolin        :D
08:21 fridolin        what is next ? 1m snow ?
08:20 fridolin        ice on the car window and all
08:20 fridolin        who is freeeeezing like me ? -1°C this morning
08:19 fridolin        hi
08:12 wahanui         privet, gaetan_B
08:12 gaetan_B        hello
07:38 reiveune        hello
07:31 marcelr         hi cait
07:31 cait            bbiab
07:31 * cait          waves at marcelr
07:27 josef_moravec   you understand ;)
07:27 josef_moravec   s/mi/hi/ ;)
07:27 marcelr         o/
07:27 josef_moravec   mi marcelr
07:26 marcelr         hi #koha
07:22 josef_moravec   cait: you're welcome ;)
07:22 cait            thx for the qa :)
07:22 cait            morning josef_moravec
06:56 josef_moravec   morning #koha
06:56 magnuse         ~~~
06:41 LibraryClaire   morning #koha