Time  Nick          Message
03:01 mtj           hey #koha, have other people heard-of/used MCE before?   ... looks really useful
03:01 mtj           https://metacpan.org/pod/MCE
03:03 * mtj         just stumbled upon it today
03:27 mtj           perhaps a better way of handling multiple MARC import jobs, on an instance
05:55 maya          hi, Good Morning to all - Maya
05:58 maya          how we can monitor and find that our koha application is working fine? Is there any place or files that we should look for errors and messages frequently?
06:37 LibraryClaire morning #koha
07:00 Harold        Hi
07:00 Harold        Good day from the Philippines :)
07:01 Harold        Can I ask some question about upgrading koha?
07:17 jenkins       Project Koha_16.05_D8 build #14: SUCCESS in 37 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_16.05_D8/14/
07:19 magnuse       Harold: ask whatever you want (related to koha) - if anyone can answer, they will
07:25 reiveune      hello
07:25 wahanui       kia ora, reiveune
07:44 alex_a        bonjour
07:51 fridolin1     hi dear community
07:53 marcelr       hi #koha
07:54 LibraryClaire hi marcelr
07:54 marcelr       :)
07:54 LibraryClaire hi fridolin1
10:06 Harold        Hi
10:06 Harold        I have koha 3.12
10:07 Harold        I need to upgrade it to version 17 or 16
10:08 Harold        how will I do it?
10:08 Harold        apt-get update and apt-get upgrade on ubuntu 12.04 is not supported anymore
10:14 eythian       ubuntu 12.04 is not supported any more at all by anyone, I'd start by upgrading that.
10:16 cait          @later tell LeeJ ping!
10:16 huginn        cait: The operation succeeded.
10:17 cait          Harold: i think what eythian said - you should think about a general server update, because not getting security fixes etc is bad
10:21 Harold        my main problem is that I can't upgrade my ubuntu 12.04 to 16.04
10:22 Harold        I have already tried several times but still to no afford
10:22 eythian       you're going to have to, it's pretty much the only option.
10:22 Harold        for now I just want to transfer the Koha data from 12.04 to a new instance of koha 17.05 on a new server
10:23 Harold        but my challenge there is that the database structure of the new version is different from the old version
10:23 Harold        how do I install a fresh 12.04 version of Koha instead?
10:24 Harold        so that I can just transfer the database then upgrade from there
10:26 Harold        everytime I add repositories it only either oldstable stable or unstable
10:26 Harold        oldstable is already version 16
10:27 Harold        how do I make it 12.04? so that I will have a fresh installatio of version 12.04 to a new server with upgraded OS then I will just export and import the koha database from the old server
10:27 Harold        please help thank you :)
10:28 eythian       moving the database over should be fine. It will attempt to bring it up to a current version.
10:28 eythian       You'll want to test this first.
10:41 cait          magnuse: really like the new'is logo
10:45 * kidclamp    waves
10:46 marcelr       o/
11:10 maya          hi to all
11:10 maya          how we can monitor and find that our koha application is working fine? Is there any place or files that we should look for errors and messages frequently?
11:15 kidclamp      hi maya, there are log files, they may have some noise. The about page has sections to warn of system configuration issues, maybe I am not sure exactly what you are looking for
11:36 maya          kidclamp < we are implementing koha, as koha is open source we are not sure about it's stability in production environment, how often it crashed and if something happened we need to ready .
11:42 kidclamp      open source is more stable I would say :-) but I work here
11:43 kidclamp      Koha is very stable and used by many (many many) libraries
11:44 kidclamp      There are support vendors too if you need server support etc.
11:44 kidclamp      marcelr, still here?
11:44 marcelr       yes
11:44 kidclamp      you know some about OAI?
11:44 marcelr       dont use it often
11:45 kidclamp      bug 15108 seems to have made OAI give deleted records first and by default - I am wondering if this is expected
11:45 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15108 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, ere.maijala, RESOLVED FIXED, OAI-PMH provider improvements
11:46 marcelr       should have a look again; did the sort order change ?
11:47 kidclamp      I think so
11:49 kidclamp      yeah, we do deleted order by biblio first, then existing order by biblionumner
11:49 kidclamp      is causing problems when EBSCO harvests
11:50 maya          so you are saying installing stable koha version on debian in reliable. But if anything bad happens where we can look for support ,  because in india there are very few affordable koha support options are  available and and theire expertise is questionable then how we can continue with that?
11:50 marcelr       kidclamp: is there an option to exclude deleted records?
11:53 kidclamp      if using a resumption token yes - it seems to - but as I understand the harvest used by providers simply makes a list records request and continues from that - default there is to include deleted now (not sure if it was in past), but now they come first and that seems to be a change
11:55 kidclamp      I am going to file a bug and see if I can get olli or ere to respond
11:56 marcelr       good
11:56 kidclamp      thanks marcelr
11:59 maya          kidclamp - so you are saying installing stable koha version on debian in reliable. But if anything bad happens where we can look for support ,  because in india there are very few affordable koha support options are  available and and theire expertise is questionable then how we can continue with that?  fully managed hosting support is all we need to have to run koha in production envoirnment?
12:03 kidclamp      maya: As a general statement I would say Koha is stable, for managing/support I don't know that I can answer your question, it may be something better to ask on the listserv
12:04 maya          ok, thanky you kidclamp :-)
12:05 maya          kidclamp - what is "listserv" ?
12:06 kidclamp      lists?
12:06 wahanui       try 'listserv', kidclamp
12:06 kidclamp      listserv?
12:06 wahanui       try 'mailing list', kidclamp
12:06 kidclamp      mailing list?
12:06 wahanui       well, mailing list is at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/
12:06 kidclamp      maya^
12:06 kidclamp      3 tries, every time, i never learn
12:06 jcamins       wahanui: really? Two corrections?
12:06 wahanui       jcamins: i haven't a clue
12:07 kidclamp      don't ruin my game jcamins - someday I will get it right
12:07 jcamins       You could stack the deck, you know.
12:07 cait          kidclamp: wasn't there a pref about the deleted in OAI?
12:08 maya          great, thank you for your kind support :-)
12:09 kidclamp      afaict cait that only affects the listing for Identify verb
12:09 kidclamp      tells you what to expect of deleted records
12:18 cait          oh
12:18 cait          good to know :)
12:47 tcohen        morning
12:51 marcelr       hi tcohen
12:51 tcohen        hi marcelr
12:53 oleonard      HELLO
12:54 marcelr       HEY OLEONARD
12:54 wahanui       hmmm... OLEONARD is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer
12:58 oleonard      Thanks for getting into the spirit of things wahanui
13:03 tcohen        hehe, good morning oleonard
13:07 jenkins       Project Koha_16.11_D8 build #81: FAILURE in 30 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_16.11_D8/81/
13:16 magnuse       that was quick, jenkins
13:30 tuxayo_       magnuse: is it normal that the link to the build goes 404?
13:31 magnuse       hm, not sure
13:31 magnuse       i rarely click on them :-)
13:37 jajm          tcohen, hi! i added a comment to https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19234, can you take a look ?
13:37 huginn        04Bug 19234: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Add query parameters handling helpers
13:38 tcohen        jajm: yes, I was about to post an answer
13:38 jajm          :)
13:38 jajm          thanks
13:39 tcohen        jajm: thanks for your input
13:39 tcohen        in short, it all points to having Koha::Objects->search_for_api
14:28 eythian       wahanui: email list is <reply>try 'lists', $who
14:28 wahanui       OK, eythian.
14:29 * cait        waves
14:29 * LeeJ        waves
14:31 * magnuse     waves
14:36 kidclamp      trying to get me to do another step magnuse?
14:37 magnuse       another step?
14:37 wahanui       another step is just to check for general disk I/O problems, and check my RAID settings on the filesystem you're using for zebra's indexes
14:37 magnuse       ah yes, that is exactly what i was hoping kidclamp would do
14:38 kidclamp      heh, I always start at lists? and take 3 hops to get my answer, now I can start with email list? and take 4
14:43 magnuse       ah, but then eythian is perhaps your culprit?
14:43 * eythian     blames magnuse
14:44 eythian       in the expectation that magnuse will then blame me
14:44 magnuse       git irc-blame eythian
14:55 tuxayo_       I heard about a bot that checks if the patches still apply on master. Is that still the case?
14:55 oleonard      That bot was active for a while, but no longer.
14:57 tuxayo_       Was is also running the test suite?
14:57 wahanui       okay, tuxayo_.
14:58 tuxayo_       wahanui: what?
14:58 wahanui       i haven't a clue, tuxayo_
14:58 tuxayo_       XD
14:59 tuxayo_       Did wahanui just ran something due to my message?
15:09 oleonard      Was?
15:09 wahanui       Was is, like, cql.. or forget.. jcamins care to pipe up ;)
15:09 oleonard      Was?
15:09 wahanui       i guess Was is running the test suite?
15:12 eythian       http://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/polizei-justiz/grosseinsatz-in-berlin-lichtenberg-rohrbruch-flutet-frankfurter-allee/20591664.html <-- pipe broke in Berlin
16:39 reiveune      bye
16:40 jenkins       Project Koha_16.11_D8 build #82: SUCCESS in 3 hr 24 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_16.11_D8/82/
16:40 jenkins       pongtawat: Bug 17610 - Allow the number of plack workers and max connections to be
16:40 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17610 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , [16.11.x] Allow the number of plack workers and max connections to be set in koha-conf.xml
17:12 oleonard      Bug 19641 is going to be a beast.
17:12 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19641 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Move patron templates to the footer
17:45 oleonard      Anyone know who manages http://splitter.koha-community.org?
17:46 edveal        No idea.
17:48 oleonard      @later tell rangi Do you manage http://splitter.koha-community.org? Wondering who can make it up to date
17:48 huginn        oleonard: The operation succeeded.
20:00 * cait        waves
20:00 cait          hi #koha
20:15 edveal        Hi cait
20:15 cait          hi edveal :)
21:01 kidclamp_away oelonard++
21:01 kidclamp_away oleonard++
21:05 cait          oh what did he do this time? :)