Time  Nick            Message
23:01 wizzyrea        we could hide it
23:00 cait            but also needs updataing
23:00 cait            as not many people can edit the website, the manual might be a bit easier long term
23:00 cait            i think we have lots of scattered information and probably should agree on one spot
23:00 cait            there is also a faq section in the manual
23:00 cait            for now?
22:59 cait            could we hide it?
22:56 cait            i think it needs a complete rewrite - can't fix it right now
22:56 wizzyrea        if there were people interested in maintaining it there I"m happy to let them
22:55 wizzyrea        doesn't matter to me
22:55 cait            do we still want to maintain the faq on the website?
22:55 wizzyrea        what words do you want on there
22:55 wizzyrea        sure
22:54 cait            wizzyrea: looking for some links about how to fix indexing and noticed the wiki links to this faq on the website: https://koha-community.org/faqs/zebra-indexing-wont-work-fix-it-aka-search-stuff-up-help/ should we remove/update? indexer is now default and it pre-package commands
21:54 cait            not so much because delete vendor is always set, more because it means receive shipment is missing
21:53 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19593 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , "Delete vendor" button is always set
21:53 cait            I think i need some help to fix bug 19593
18:30 LeeJ            take care all!
17:48 tcohen          but submitted so I have more opinions
17:48 tcohen          I need to add the confirmation modal, and replace the help link with a modal too
17:46 oleonard        Yes
17:45 tcohen          oleonard: can I CC you on the bug so you take a look?
17:45 oleonard        Oh yeah, my brain isn't good
17:44 tcohen          login maybe?
17:44 oleonard        Do we have any?
17:43 tcohen          oleonard: where can I find good modal examples in the OPAC?
17:37 tuxayo_test3    khall, tcohen1 Here is the page with the nicks to send the !nick commands to for all IRC bridges. https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-appservice-irc/wiki/Bridged-IRC-networks
17:30 tuxayo_test3    glish on my web client sorry
17:29 tuxayo_test3    1k  k
17:23 tcohen          thanks for the suggestions, oleonard
17:23 oleonard        thumbs_up.png
17:22 tcohen          oleonard , khall ^^^
17:22 * tcohen        uploaded an image: image.png (193KB) <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/dWmQuqbbvphChVykZVMzkGGm>
17:14 tuxayo_test3    khall, it works, thanks!
17:05 josef_moravec   by #koha
16:56 tuxayo          And it has bridges to some IRC networks and Gitter
16:56 tuxayo          oleonard: from what I understand it's a federated chat protocol + network with offline messaging and multiple devices + audio + video + file sharing + end to encryption (beta)
16:51 tcohen          individually
16:50 oleonard        is matrix.org something we are using as a group, or just individually?
16:49 khall           looks like it is "@oftc-irc:matrix.org"
16:48 khall           tuxayo: it just showed up in my People list at some point. I think the acutal name is "OFTC IRC Bridge status"
16:47 tuxayo          khall: how to find the nick of the bridge? i'll have to do the same on freenet
16:46 oleonard        Anyone know who manages http://splitter.koha-community.org?
16:45 khall           pm the OFTC IRC Bridge with the message "!nick your_nick"
16:44 tuxayo          khall: oh you know how use matrix/Riot here without having a [m] in one's nick?
16:12 * cait          waves
16:12 khall           good luck kidclamp_away !
16:12 khall           indeed I do
16:11 * kidclamp_away goes away away
16:11 kidclamp_away   khall knows
16:11 tuxayo          great ^^"
16:10 tuxayo[m]       !nick tuxayo_test
16:10 kidclamp_away   tuxayo try !nick
16:09 tuxayo[m]       «on the OFTC bridge» you mean on this account? That what I did. I see my nick changed but no one else does...
16:09 tuxayo[m]       tcohen: /nick That's what I tried.
16:00 tcohen          on the OFTC bridge
16:00 tcohen          tuxayo: try /nick tuxayo
16:00 tcohen          oleonard: good idea
15:59 oleonard        I wouldn't use an icon. I'd use text: "Checked in" or "Not checked in" ( + error )
15:59 tuxayo[m]       tcohen: I too managed to identify. but I can't change the nick :(
15:59 tcohen          no, it means error
15:58 tcohen          still trying to figure how to display the problem message
15:58 tcohen          I use a fa-check glyph for success
15:58 oleonard        "X" means checked in?
15:58 tcohen          oleonard: ^^
15:58 * tcohen        uploaded an image: image.png (94KB) <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/TNJbANXOFlmOQbJvhkeJCXfa>
15:55 tcohen          tuxayo: don't know exactly, but I managed to. I even managed to send the identify command to the NickServ
15:55 tcohen          exactly
15:55 tcohen          yes
15:54 oleonard        Yes. I assume that would clear the list of scanned barcodes, and if you hadn't submitted them yet they would be lost.
15:54 tcohen          oleonard: like a confirm dialog?
15:48 tuxayo          tcohen: how do you use matrix.org without a [m] in you nick?
15:46 oleonard        I like it. Is there a warning upon clicking "Reset?"
15:46 tcohen          oleonard:  ^^
15:46 * tcohen        uploaded an image: image.png (163KB) <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/MKbotzuSQYRBOtmAgpgurTuB>
15:37 oleonard        LibraryClaire++
15:25 vfernandes      thanks magnuse
15:25 LibraryClaire   :
15:16 reiveune        bye
15:04 magnuse         i think so, yes
15:04 vfernandes      ok... for files upload is upload_path attribute right?
15:04 magnuse         (grep -rn "docdir" *)
15:04 magnuse         vfernandes: the display of the history.txt file in the "About Koha" section of the intranet, as far as i can tell
15:02 vfernandes      one quick question: which functionally uses docdir attribute of koha-conf.xml?
15:01 vfernandes      Hi guys
14:48 LibraryClaire   oleonard++
14:47 oleonard        Great!
14:47 skimsk          FYI oleonard: i got the barcodes imported by moving the barcode to 952p! thanks again!
14:45 LeeJ            off to class..bbl
14:35 thd             I am migrating from several desktop systems for primary backup to two low power servers in hopes of reducing power consumption.
14:32 thd             ... as it has at an increasingly frequent rate with no real change in my consumption.
14:31 LeeJ            ouch
14:30 thd             My redundant internet service from two separate companies will not be redundant at all if the power fails.
14:29 LeeJ            makes sense
14:29 thd             LeeJ: I may have a failing circuit breaker which would need changing if that is the case.  However, putting two separate circuits on the circuit breaker seems to really make them one circuit.
14:26 LeeJ            thd: even though I'm in a CS program, we haven't had a class on circuitry yet :P
14:26 * thd           is puzzled by how double pole circuit breakers manage the load overall for two separate circuits.
14:25 LeeJ            the average airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow is 11 m/s (24 mph)
14:25 LeeJ            http://style.org/unladenswallow/
14:25 LeeJ            in case anyone was wondering..
14:24 * LeeJ          looks around for Patsy
14:24 LibraryClaire   by swallows?
14:23 kidclamp        it's unpredictable LeeJ, maybe once my coconuts have been delivered
14:22 LeeJ            kidclamp: at what point do you change to a knight who says "Ekke Ekke Ekke Ekke" Ptang Zoo Boing!?
14:22 thd             Anyone here with good understanding of circuit breakers?
14:22 kidclamp        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrub_(drink)
14:22 LibraryClaire   LeeJ++
14:22 kidclamp        I do like a good shrub
14:21 LeeJ            kidclamp: so shrubbery pleases you?
14:21 josef_moravec   thanks cait1 ;)
14:21 josef_moravec   oleonard: yes, I didn't hav much time last months, but now it is going to be better ;)
14:20 * LibraryClaire wonders how kidclamp feels about shrubberies
14:20 kidclamp        josef_moravec++
14:20 cait1           josef_moravec: also great to see you on the qa team
14:20 oleonard        Nice to see you josef_moravec, seems like it has been a while
14:20 * kidclamp      apparently is a knight who says ni
14:20 marcelr         o/
14:20 kidclamp        ni marcelr
14:20 josef_moravec   hi marcelr
14:20 oleonard        kidclamp++
14:20 kidclamp        backport alll the things! the power!!
14:20 thd             Is that a record for a short meeting?
14:19 marcelr         hey meeting missed ;)
14:19 LeeJ            kidclamp++
14:19 josef_moravec   thanks kidclamp ;)
14:19 huginn          Log:            http://meetings.koha-community.org/2017/general_irc_meeting_15_november_2017.2017-11-15-14.03.log.html
14:19 huginn          Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2017/general_irc_meeting_15_november_2017.2017-11-15-14.03.txt
14:19 huginn          Minutes:        http://meetings.koha-community.org/2017/general_irc_meeting_15_november_2017.2017-11-15-14.03.html
14:19 huginn          Meeting ended Wed Nov 15 14:19:31 2017 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
14:19 kidclamp        #endmeeting
14:19 LibraryClaire   kidclamp++
14:19 kidclamp        that's all folks!
14:19 kidclamp        #info next meeting 13 December 2017, 20 UTC
14:19 LeeJ            happy early birthday thd! Yay being December babies!
14:18 magnuse         :-)
14:18 kidclamp        #info magnuse belatedly supports the candidates
14:18 thd             I will probably not be present next time as that is my birthday and I will be in California.
14:18 magnuse         oh "#vote yes" from me too
14:17 kidclamp        loosely and by the seat of our pants barring complaints thd
14:17 thd             I question how we are adjusting the hour for the time changes.
14:17 cait1           me too
14:17 fridolin        k
14:17 LeeJ            works for me!
14:17 kidclamp        13 December 2017, 20 UTC?
14:16 kidclamp        #topic Next meeting
14:16 LeeJ            :D
14:16 kidclamp        thanks all!
14:16 huginn          Yes (9): LibraryClaire, cait1, josef_moravec, oleonard, kidclamp, fridolin, mveron, thd, LeeJ
14:16 huginn          Voted on "shall we accept all proposed roles for 18.05 as listed here https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_18.05 as of today?" Results are
14:16 kidclamp        #endvote
14:15 * oleonard      votes Yes again
14:15 kidclamp        last call
14:15 kidclamp        #vote Yes
14:15 josef_moravec   #vote Yes
14:14 LeeJ            #vote Yes
14:14 mveron          #vote yes
14:14 LibraryClaire   #vote Yes
14:14 thd             #vote Yes
14:14 fridolin        #vote yes
14:14 cait1           #vote Yes
14:14 oleonard        #vote Yes
14:14 huginn          Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
14:14 huginn          Begin voting on: shall we accept all proposed roles for 18.05 as listed here https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_18.05 as of today? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain.
14:14 kidclamp        #startvote shall we accept all proposed roles for 18.05 as listed here https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_18.05 as of today? Yes, No, Abstain
14:13 cait1           i think that's ok, we don't need them filled with start of 18.05
14:13 thd             Once I have finished catching up with things, in two or three months I will put name up to carry forward the long delayed plan to migrate the wiki to MYSQL and supporting Semantic MediaWiki.
14:13 oleonard        Copious gratitude to all who volunteer
14:13 cait1           only 2 roles left etmpy - wiki curator and db documentation
14:13 fridolin        kidclamp++ for RMaint 1711
14:12 cait1           kidclamp++
14:12 * kidclamp      has to remind himself about voting
14:12 LeeJ            none here
14:12 kidclamp        no questions?
14:11 kidclamp        alex_a++
14:11 LeeJ            cait++
14:11 kidclamp        cait++
14:11 kidclamp        any discussion? or we can vote the slate
14:10 * LeeJ          seconds
14:10 kidclamp        #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_18.05 ProposedRoles for 18.05
14:10 LeeJ            lol
14:10 * oleonard      votes yes
14:10 kidclamp        #topic Vote on roles for 18.05
14:10 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19626 major, P5 - low, ---, nick, Needs Signoff , Database update for bug 12063 incorrectly calculates expirationdate for holds
14:10 kidclamp        bug 19626 could use some love
14:09 fridolin        i m going to focus on major bugs for this release
14:09 cait1           I was not available last week, just back to work today, still some catching up to do
14:09 fridolin        yep
14:08 fridolin        #info Fridolin Somers, Biblibre
14:08 kidclamp        I am pinging frido on anything that comes up in 17.05 upgrades so things moving along nicely I think
14:08 fridolin        hi
14:08 kidclamp        is fine I think cait - there was meetin glast week too
14:07 josef_moravec   #info Josef Moravec, Municipal library Usti nad Orlici
14:07 cait1           but that was not the right topic slot... was it?
14:07 cait1           string freeze tomorrow
14:07 cait1           i will push tonight
14:07 kidclamp        cait fridolin?
14:07 thd             It will take me two or three months to catch up to go back to working on the wiki which I had to leave abruptly.
14:07 kidclamp        String freeze is in place for 17.11 - joubu is out for a bit, tcohen is pushing bugfixes
14:06 kidclamp        #topic Update on releases
14:06 magnuse         #info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway
14:06 thd             After 8 months of no service at home and exhaustion taking a netbook to wherever I could get a connection.
14:06 LeeJ            yayy
14:05 kidclamp        hooray
14:05 thd             After tomorrow, I should have redundant internet service from home and be working my way back to working on Koha.
14:05 thd             Yes
14:05 kidclamp        anyone have anything?
14:04 kidclamp        #topic Announcements
14:04 mveron          #info Marc Véron, Switzerland
14:04 thd             #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
14:04 LibraryClaire   #info Claire Gravely, BSZ
14:03 oleonard        #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, USA
14:03 LeeJ            #info Lee Jamison, Marywood University
14:03 cait1           #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
14:03 kidclamp        #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions
14:03 kidclamp        #topic Introductions
14:03 huginn          The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_15_november_2017'
14:03 huginn          Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
14:03 huginn          Meeting started Wed Nov 15 14:03:20 2017 UTC.  The chair is kidclamp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
14:03 kidclamp        #startmeeting General IRC meeting 15 November 2017
14:03 kidclamp        ah yes
14:02 * LeeJ          waves to all incoming
14:02 cait1           i pinged kidclamp
14:02 * mveron        waves back
14:02 oleonard        That's what my calendar said.
14:02 thd             Is there meant to be a meeting now?
14:02 * cait1         waves
14:01 mveron          Hi LibraryClaire
14:00 LibraryClaire   hi mveron
14:00 mveron          Hi oleonard
13:59 oleonard        Hi mveron
13:58 mveron          Hi again #koha
13:55 LeeJ            hmm..I'll have to investigate later
13:50 oleonard        2-second load for the Koha home page here, uncached. We have a pretty fast connection though.
13:48 marcelr         o/
13:48 * LeeJ          waves to marcelr
13:48 marcelr         hi #koha
13:46 LeeJ            even loading the Koha login took a good 45 seconds even after repeating the steps :(
13:46 LeeJ            well so far we're not impressed here...took twice the time to open up Firefox on each PC
13:45 oleonard        I mean... The whole point is for it to run faster.
13:45 oleonard        It's supposed to run faster, though I haven't put it to any tests.
13:44 LeeJ            we have machines here that have 4GB of RAM and with only the Koha intranet homepage open Firefox took up 66% of the RAM...hopefully there won't be any negative Koha impacts?
13:43 oleonard        Mozilla wants people to want to use Firefox, so they're not going to disable JS by default.
13:43 LeeJ            oleonard: then it seems people were foolish who were complaining to me about it :P
13:40 oleonard        LeeJ: I do not think it disables JS by default. Certainly not for me.
13:40 LeeJ            Firefox and Chrome already disable flash by default
13:39 skimsk          disabling flash wouldnt hurt but js..
13:38 LeeJ            it's probably "we'll strong-arm people into being forced to use HTML5 for everything!"
13:38 LeeJ            right?!
13:38 skimsk          ...disabling javascript
13:38 skimsk          sounds stupid..
13:38 LibraryClaire   yeah, we don't have it at work and I haven't updated my home computers yet :D
13:37 LeeJ            from my understanding, it disables Javascript by default
13:37 LeeJ            LibraryClaire skimsk it just came out last night/yesterday (depending on timezone ;) )
13:37 skimsk          never heard of
13:37 LibraryClaire   I haven't seen it yet
13:37 * LeeJ          raises hand very very high
13:36 LeeJ            raise your hand if you hate Firefox Quantum
13:32 LeeJ            koha++
13:10 skimsk          we are upgrading from another software to koha and it would be nice to keep the file structure same. But now im back in track again!
13:09 kidclamp        oleonard++
13:09 oleonard        You're welcome!
13:08 skimsk          oleonard: You are my hero! i have missed the "items" from dropdown menu and searched from everywhere else! Huge thanks!
13:05 oleonard        ...so I'd modify your MARC file rather than changing Koha.
13:05 oleonard        skimsk: I never mess with the default Koha to MARC mapping, so I don't know if there are potential problems to changing those mappings
13:04 oleonard        925$p. If you go in the Koha staff client to Administration -> Koha MARC mapping, and choose "items" you can see how it's set up
13:01 skimsk          in my original file its in 950 d. What subfield it can be in if i try moving it to 952?
12:58 oleonard        skimsk: Koha expects item information in a 952 tag
12:57 oleonard        skimsk: Where is the barcode and other item information stored in the MARC file? What tag?
12:55 LeeJ            hi #koha
12:55 * LeeJ          waves
12:53 skimsk          hi all! I have troubles importing records with items from marc-file. I have about 20k books with barcodes already saved in one marc-file. How can i tell koha to use the barcode from marc-record, instead of leaving it empty? i tried using MarcItemFieldsToOrder setting from Acquisitions preferences, but it doesnt support "barcode" field.. :/
12:45 eythian         probably an api changed
12:45 eythian         not afaik
12:45 oleonard        Has anyone discovered why?
12:44 eythian         still dead :<
12:44 huginn          eythian: Error: No such location could be found.
12:44 eythian         @wunder ams
12:44 eythian         yeah, my bike is in getting new tyres because I wasn't confident that my current ones would suit the damp conditions here this winter.
12:41 LibraryClaire   ...wish I knew where my normal gloves are
12:40 LibraryClaire   feels like, I had to get my winter hat out this morning and my fingerless gloves are no longer any good for biking to work :(
12:40 oleonard        Hi LibraryClaire, is it winter there yet?
12:40 LibraryClaire   hi oleonard
12:38 oleonard        Hi all
12:24 * cait1         waves
12:22 * andreashm     waves
11:41 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17717 critical, P4, ---, chris, REOPENED , process_message_queue.pl: Can't locate Authen/CAS/Client/Response/Failure.pm
11:41 magnuse         ah, i knew i had seen something like this before: bug 17717
11:38 eythian         hi
11:18 magnuse         but why should Koha::Exceptions::Exception be turned into a file path when running from cron and not when run from the cli?
11:18 magnuse         there is Koha/Exceptions.pm, which has 'Koha::Exceptions::Exception' => { description => 'Something went wrong!', },
11:17 magnuse         hm, the actual error is "Can't locate Koha/Exceptions/Exception.pm" and right enough, there is no Koha/Exceptions/Exception.pm in Koha
09:20 andreashm       hope you get it sorted!
09:13 magnuse         at least the problem showed up after the upgrade
09:12 andreashm       magnuse: trouble with upgrading to 17.05?
09:09 magnuse         ah, this works:  sudo koha-shell -c "echo \$KOHA_CONF" alingsas
09:00 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18502 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Stable , koha-shell broken on dev installs
09:00 magnuse         sounds like it might be bug 18502, but that should be fixed
08:54 magnuse         but "sudo koha-shell <instance>" and then "echo $PERL5LIB" does
08:53 magnuse         ^ that does not give any output
08:53 magnuse         sudo koha-shell -c "echo $PERL5LIB" <instance>
08:53 magnuse         maybe the c is not doing what i think it should do any longer?
08:52 magnuse         well, koha-shell -c
08:52 magnuse         yes
08:51 cait            within koha-shell?
08:46 magnuse         running it from "sudo crontab" gives that error. running the command from the crontab, with sudo, works fine
08:45 magnuse         also upgraded from ubuntu 14 to 16
08:42 pastebot        "magnuse" at pasted "Full error" (14 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/73
08:42 magnuse         anyon else seeing that?
08:42 magnuse         after upgradring a koha instance from 3.22 to 17.05.05 i am getting errors like this from some cronjobs: Can't locate Koha/Exceptions/Exception.pm:   ./Koha/Exceptions/Exception.pm: Permission denied at /usr/share/perl/5.22/base.pm line 97.
08:32 * magnuse       waves
08:21 * andreashm     waves
08:02 gaetan_B        hello
07:45 alex_a          bonjour
07:27 reiveune        hello
07:18 fridolin        hi