Time  Nick          Message
03:13 amitgupta     hi all
03:15 wizzyrea      hi
03:15 wahanui       hi, wizzyrea
03:15 wizzyrea      @later tell gmcharlt hi, when you have a moment, could we get perldoc.koha-community.org updated with the newer versions? please and thank youuuuuuu
03:15 huginn        wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
03:19 wizzyrea      @later tell joubu hi, meetings.koha-community.org is wrangled by gmcharlt, I've asked him to add the 2017 stuff
03:19 huginn        wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
03:20 wizzyrea      @later tell gmcharlt also joubu asked for "could you (please) add 2014-2017 entries on http://meetings.koha-community.org/2017?"
03:20 huginn        wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
03:27 amitgupta     hi wizzyrea
04:29 amitgupta     @ bug 19033
04:29 huginn        amitgupta: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19033 is not accessible.
06:16 amitgupta     hi indradg
06:19 indradg       amitgupta hi
06:59 alex_a        hello
07:25 * magnuse     waves
07:46 * cait        waves
08:02 * magnuse     waves again
08:06 * atheia      waves too
08:18 * cait        gets a little sea sick
08:19 cait          atheia: are you around today?
08:19 atheia        cait: yup I am :-)
08:19 cait          cool
08:19 cait          i have to bake some cake first, but maybe will get some time to look at stock rotation a little later
08:21 atheia        Ooh, that'd be amazing! I'll rebase before then!
08:23 magnuse       and then add some tests to bug 7317? ;-)
08:23 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7317 new feature, P5 - low, ---, alex.sassmannshausen, Patch doesn't apply , Add an Interlibrary Loan Module to Circulation and OPAC
08:27 amitgupta     hi cait
08:28 cait          hi amitgupta :)
09:29 cait          baking ... hot temperatures... not my best idea
09:43 atheia        magnuse hah, indeed, rather sooner than later!
09:44 cait          only 3 months left
09:44 cait          not a lot of time for the big enh
10:28 magnuse       yeah, now would be a good time to get ill in
10:48 atheia        cait: just so you know, stock rotation applies cleanly except for a staff.css file in one of the commits.  Martin is adapting the API paths to the new open api framework, and after that I'll rebase.
10:49 atheia        But this shouldn't change any of the testable stuff.
11:20 cait          ?
11:20 cait          new open api framework? you lost me :)
11:21 cait          do you mean the restful api?
11:21 cait          is the conflict in the staff css easily solvable?
11:22 marcelr       hi #koha
11:22 cait          hi marcelr
11:23 marcelr       :)
11:23 cait          have to run off for a little while
11:23 cait          bbl bye all
11:23 marcelr       cu
11:37 magnuse       @later tell cait maybe atheia was referring to bug 18137?
11:37 huginn        magnuse: The operation succeeded.
11:37 magnuse       bug 18137
11:37 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18137 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, lari.taskula, Failed QA , REST API: Migrate from Mojolicious::Plugin::Swagger2 to Mojolicious::Plugin::OpenAPI
11:37 atheia        argh, yeah magnuse, that's exactly right!
11:38 atheia        @later tell cait Magnuse is right, it's about 18137. re: the merge conflict, yeah it's super easy!
11:38 huginn        atheia: The operation succeeded.
12:34 marcelr       ashimema: is colin still around for testing bug 18996 ?
12:34 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18996 major, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , SIP sets ok flag to true for refused checkin for data corruption
12:44 tcohen        morning
12:53 marcelr       hi tcohen
12:59 magnuse       kia ora tcohen
13:03 eythian       marcelr: not coming to the conference?
13:03 marcelr       no sorry
13:03 marcelr       dont know anything about perl :)
13:08 tcohen        :-P
13:18 atheia        Hey tcohen, have you recently tried Bug 18137?
13:18 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18137 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, lari.taskula, Passed QA , REST API: Migrate from Mojolicious::Plugin::Swagger2 to Mojolicious::Plugin::OpenAPI
13:19 atheia        Trying to adapt Stockrotation for that, but the API tests seem to fail quite spectacularly with it?
13:20 tcohen        atheia: what you are looking for is
13:21 tcohen        sudo cpanm -i Mojolicious@7.21 ; sudo cpanm -i JSON::Validator@0.97 ; sudo cpanm -i Mojolicious::Plugin::OpenAPI@1.15
13:21 oleonard      Trying to do a hard reset on a branch and I'm getting some of these: "error: unable to unlink old 'C4/Koha.pm' (Text file busy)"
13:21 oleonard      Anyone know what that means?
13:22 atheia        Sounds like some form of read lock oleonard ?
13:23 atheia        never had it before though…
13:23 atheia        tcohen, thanks, will try.
13:23 ashimema      tcohen.. we need to pin that OpenAPI dependancy in the patch then.. currently it's min_ver.. without a max_ver ;)
13:24 * ashimema    should also check Validator for the same pin
13:24 tcohen        we have tried higher versions successfuly
13:24 ashimema      well for me with latest dependancies all the tests fail ;)
13:24 tcohen        I'd go for Validator 1.00 but drojf prefers what's on unstable
13:25 tcohen        I tested Mojo 7.36, Validator 1.00
13:25 tcohen        and yes, Mojolicious::Plugin::OpenAPI failed starting at some version
13:26 ashimema      ok.. going back to 1.15.. the tests all fail in a different way now
13:26 tcohen        ashimema: what are you actually trying to test?
13:27 rsantellan    good morning #koha
13:29 ashimema      currently.. just trying to run any t/db_dependant/api/v1/* tests fail ;)
13:29 ashimema      the error with latest OpenAPI is that openapi.spec isn't defined where the code thinks it is so authenticaton always succeeds even when it should fail
13:30 tcohen        are you going to fix it?
13:30 ashimema      the error with OpenAPI 1.15 is '[{"message":"No responses rules defined for status 403.","path":"\/"}]'
13:30 ashimema      lots of them
13:30 wahanui       lots of them are kinda invisible
13:30 ashimema      which is odd.. as they're clearly in the spec
13:31 ashimema      erm.. well.. this was meant to be a 5 minute job today ;)
13:31 tcohen        https://snag.gy/HboTC7.jpg
13:32 tcohen        it works for me
13:33 ashimema      lol
13:41 Joubu         marcelr: what is not clear in the first email? I can answer but I am going to rephrase what I already said
13:43 rsantellan    Hi, I have a library that wants to migrate koha to the cloud. Is a really small library and I'm looking for hosting providers. Is one that people are using? recommend one? So far I have looked at digital ocean and the small droplet but don't know if it will handle koha
13:43 ashimema      hmm
13:43 ashimema      I pretty much get a 501 for everything in the api tests..
13:43 ashimema      am I missing a step somewhere?
13:43 ashimema      it's been ages since I worked on the Koha API stuff :(
13:44 tcohen        ashimema: maybe you have some manually installed conflicting versions on @INC?
13:44 tcohen        this is plain jessie + koha-common + the specific versions installed using cpanm
13:44 tcohen        (i.e. kohadevbox)
13:46 * ashimema    nukes his dev env and tries again
13:46 lari          ashimema: latest M::P::OpenAPI version works together with Bug 18890. but otherwise below 1.17 should work
13:46 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18890 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, lari.taskula, Needs Signoff , REST API: Fix fetching operation spec in route chain
13:47 ashimema      thanks lari
13:47 * ashimema    seems to remember his concerns about relying on such a fast moving distro ;)
14:03 Joubu         lari: Hi! There are still a warning in the tests
14:12 tcohen        Joubu: fixed :-D
14:18 Joubu         tcohen: thx
14:18 Joubu         Did not we communicate on the koha ML about the move marcxml>biblio_metadata?
14:18 tcohen        Joubu: we did
14:19 tcohen        and the announcement included words about it too
14:19 Joubu         could you find the email? I do not find it
14:21 tcohen        Joubu: I see the release notes don't have an 'Important notice' section at the top as they used to
14:21 tcohen        so no
14:21 tcohen        the answer is no
14:25 Joubu         tcohen: the notice is not at the top, but lost in the middle of the changelog
14:25 Joubu         https://koha-community.org/koha-17-05-released/
14:25 tcohen        yup
14:25 tcohen        We usually added a section at the top, with important remarks
14:26 tcohen        https://koha-community.org/koha-3-22-released/
14:27 Joubu         quite bad...
15:03 * oleonard    bbl
15:47 greenjimll    Quick question to the dev community: I've just tweaked opac-suggestions.tt on my kohadevbox to include a "quantity" field, so that end users can suggest how many copies to buy. Seems to work, but are there any potential issues with this which are why it isn't in the UI already?
15:49 oleonard      No way to know without testing it greenjimll. Could you create a bug report and attach a patch?
15:50 oleonard      My only objection would be that I wouldn't expect a user of the OPAC to know the right quantity to suggest.
15:50 oleonard      But that's from the point of view of a public library.
15:50 greenjimll    Yeah, sure.  I didn't want to do that if everyone yelled "Noooo!" immediately.  Its only a oneliner in opac-suggestions.tt.
15:51 greenjimll    I think our librarians would like academics to suggest the quantities sometimes, as they may know how many students they expect on modules before the University central admin folk do. Librarians can edit the quantity in the suggestion.
15:51 oleonard      Well, someone may have tried this before and it unleashed a powerful demon from the dimension of suffering, but that was an earlier Koha version.
15:51 greenjimll    :-)
15:51 tcohen        greenjimll: I bet opac-suggestions.pl needs tweaking
15:52 greenjimll    No, it didn't.  It just looks at the names of CGI variables being passed in.
15:53 greenjimll    Thanks folks... I'll pop a low priority enhancement in Bugzilla for this.
15:53 oleonard      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=731732 major, P5 - low, ---, RESOLVED WONTFIX , OPAC suggestion form releases demon from dimension of suffering
15:54 greenjimll    :-)
15:54 * tcohen      is scared to read that we are passing data without processing what comes from the HTML
15:54 cait          people could still hide quantity if you add a  nice id to it
15:55 tcohen        or yet another syspref
15:56 oleonard      If I'm running 'vagrant up' on a new devbox and it's taking a reeeally long time, should I take some action?
15:56 oleonard      Check if something is broken?
15:58 oleonard      I should add that I just upgraded vagrant and virtualbox, which is a mistake I keep making.
16:06 ashimema      yas = yet another syspref.. I like it
16:07 Joubu         It's yasp: yet another system preference ;)
16:08 ashimema      hehe
16:14 amitgupta     hi Joubu
16:14 Joubu         Hi amitgupta
16:15 greenjimll    olenard: I had to make a new kohadevbox myself this morning and it does take a while. Git clone seems to be the culprit, so maybe leave it for a few hours?
16:24 Joubu         greenjimll: you should clone the repo on the host then use the SYNC_REPO env var
16:24 Joubu         (if you are talking about clone the Koha repo)
16:29 greenjimll    In my case it was the Koha repo that was broken... the vagrant destroy/recreate was the "nuclear option" to fix the problem I'd created for myself.
16:30 greenjimll    kohadevbox For The Win again by the way. :-)
16:30 amitgupta     ;)
16:31 Dyrcona       Stompro: Have you considered asking your Z39.50 question here?
16:34 Stompro       Dyrcona, I hadn't, I don't know what Koha's z39.50 server settings look like, if they ask for all the same info that EG asks for.
16:34 Dyrcona       Well, we could find out. :)
16:39 Stompro       Dyrcona, Thanks for the suggestion, I'll try here when I get a chance.
16:40 Dyrcona       OK. I'm looking into two unrelated problems, and 1 has me quite perplexed. :)
16:40 Dyrcona       But that's a discussion for a different channel.
17:00 bag           rangi++
17:00 bag           thanks for the keynote
17:02 cait          rangi++
17:02 cait          i will be around too, if someone wnats to ask questions/needs help with the manual updating
17:10 Joubu         @later tell amitgupta see 18726
17:10 huginn        Joubu: The operation succeeded.
17:13 cait          btw - the US conf is broadcasting now, if someone wants to listen in
17:13 cait          they are just in a break, but will be back soon
17:21 tcohen        keynote?
17:22 cait          rangi keynoted the US conf remotely
17:57 indradg       kia ora #koha
18:01 indradg       did we ever completely solve the issue with unicode for label printing ?
18:06 cait          indradg: hm i think we did
18:06 cait          indradg: check the true font mappings in your koha-conf.xml
18:06 cait          if oyu link fonts with the characters, it should now work i think
18:06 cait          maybe the default ones are ok already, we didn't test this deeply, but i have seen examples with arabic i think
18:13 indradg       cait: on 16.11.10 - this is without bengali TTF in the koha-conf.xml - as expected https://imagebin.ca/v/3WJNE6cMQnGV
18:14 indradg       cait: however, with bengali ttf (noto sans bengali) this is what I get - the red bordered is the output, the green bordered is the expected output https://imagebin.ca/v/3WJNVadfMD5f
18:15 * magnuse     waves
18:15 magnuse       bag: HI!
18:16 * indradg     waves as magnuse
18:16 indradg       s/as/at
18:17 magnuse       oy, no waving as me, please! ;-)
18:17 magnuse       gah, too slow
18:18 indradg       lol
18:20 * indradg     is scratching head over bengali collation sequence rendering in label print
18:21 cait          sorry indradg, looking onw
18:21 cait          hm interesting
18:21 wahanui       well, interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
18:21 cait          i suspected it would be broken
18:21 cait          i mean as you said if it worked or not
18:21 cait          is bengali ltr or rtl?
18:21 indradg       cait: its ltr
18:22 indradg       and AFAICT all conjunct clusters are broken
18:22 cait          it looks like the first and second character are switched, is that right?
18:24 indradg       yes, the second char in the wrong rendering is the vowel which is supposed to modify the the first (a consonent)
18:25 indradg       so what is happening here is instead of what would be phonetically - be "beek" becomes "boki"
18:25 cait          hm
18:25 cait          sorry, I think i have to pass on that one
18:25 cait          maybe try a different font?
18:26 cait          to see if it makes any difference
18:26 cait          i think when we first tested this some font worked in bold but not italic or something like htat
18:26 cait          and maybe file a bug with the example
18:27 eythian       cait: the conference has many German people. You're missing!
18:28 eythian       also, some of them are confused by the fact that the water is free.
18:28 indradg       tried with Google's NOTO Bengali (both regular and bold) and with Lohit Bengali which is the default BN_IN font for RHEL & Fedora
18:30 indradg       water is not a Human Right... thus spake the CEO Nestle many moons back :O
18:33 magnuse       nestle--
18:33 cait          eythian: don't make me feel bad plz
18:33 eythian       cait: freeee waaaateeer!
18:35 cait          eythian: you know, i amwell travelled... I have seen that before:)
18:35 eythian       heh
18:35 cait          bonus points if the free water doesn't taste like swimming pool:)
18:35 cait          jzairo++ first contribution to the Koha manual!
18:35 magnuse       jzairo++
18:38 jzairo        yay!! So excited, more to come!!
18:38 jzairo        cait++ for all the help
18:40 cait          didn't do much, was all you. hoping for more of course :)
18:40 jzairo        :)
18:43 eythian       cait: it has lemon and mint and stuff in it
18:43 eythian       (also, Amsterdammers are very proud of their water for some reason :)
18:51 indradg       eythian, that's water or lemonade? :D
18:52 eythian       just water. With stuff floating in it for a little flavour.
18:58 magnuse       cait++
18:59 magnuse       meeting in... 3 hours?
18:59 cait          huh thx for the reminder
19:00 cait          welcome jenkins
19:03 oleonard      dev meeting?
19:03 wahanui       dev meeting is in an hour correct?
19:24 Joubu         dev meeting is https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Category:Developers_IRC_Meetings
19:24 Joubu         dev meetings is https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Category:Developers_IRC_Meetings
19:24 Joubu         dev meeting?
19:24 wahanui       well, dev meeting is in an hour correct?
19:24 Joubu         forget dev meeting
19:24 wahanui       Joubu: I forgot dev meeting
19:24 Joubu         dev meeting is https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Category:Developers_IRC_Meetings
19:24 Joubu         dev meeting?
19:24 wahanui       dev meeting is https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Category:Developers_IRC_Meetings
19:26 KotH          good evening
19:26 wahanui       evening is the time of day we all look forward too
19:28 oleonard      welp, vagrant seems to be dead for me.
19:29 oleonard      even "vagrant status" never completes
19:33 indradg       @seen cait
19:33 huginn        indradg: cait was last seen in #koha 33 minutes and 1 second ago: <cait> welcome jenkins
19:33 cait          here
19:33 cait          here
19:34 indradg       cait: if I'm not mistaken (disclaimer: i really don't know PDF::Reuse) - this looks like an upstream bug
19:36 cait          you mean something wrong in PDF::Reuse?
19:36 cait          @seen LeeJ
19:36 huginn        cait: LeeJ was last seen in #koha 2 days, 3 hours, 39 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: <LeeJ> well I'm heading out for now..take care all!
19:40 gmcharlt      @later tell wizzyrea I've updated meetings.koha-community.org
19:40 huginn        gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
19:40 indradg       cait: I tried this - https://pastebin.com/ETzKwXgw
19:40 indradg       and I get this -
19:41 indradg       cait: the exact same issue as with our labels
19:42 cait          hm
19:42 KotH          is there a good resource on how to get barcodes printed with a label printer? i'm totally confused after reading the documentation
19:42 cait          maybe you could file a bug with the module maintainer? and link to it from bugzilla?
19:43 cait          KotH: did you take a look at the bywater tutorial videos too?
19:43 cait          slightly old version, but not so heavy changes in that module i think http://bywatersolutions.com/2010/08/11/creating-spine-label-layouts-in-koha/
19:43 KotH          cait: some..
19:43 KotH          yes, seen that one
19:43 wahanui       I haven't seen 'that', KotH
19:44 cait          http://bywatersolutions.com/2011/03/16/creating-a-batch-of-spine-labels-in-koha-3-4/
19:44 * indradg     waves at talljoy
19:45 talljoy       hi indradg
19:45 indradg       :)
19:45 cait          the only other instructions i have to offer are in German https://wiki.bsz-bw.de/doku.php?id=l-team:koha:koha-handbuch:werkzeuge:start (Kurzanleitung Etikettendruck)
19:48 KotH          german is fine :)
19:49 KotH          cait: thanks.. that pdf explains what the settings actually do!
19:50 KotH          btw: what is a good way to create barcodes?
19:50 KotH          as in, how do i choose them in a sane way?
19:50 cait          oh, where are you from? :)
19:51 KotH          depends on which "from" you mean :-)
19:51 cait          heh
19:51 KotH          originally: switzerland, but i'm now sitting in saarbrücken
19:51 cait          oh!
19:52 cait          now i am glad i dug up our instructions
19:52 KotH          hehe
19:52 KotH          good instructions are good :-)
19:52 cait          i will forward that to my coworker :)
19:53 cait          would you share your library? always curious about the German ones
19:53 gmcharlt      @later wizzyrea and perldoc is updating as well; note that as of this writing, it will be another 10-20 minutes before it finishes generating patches for all of the new tags and branches
19:53 huginn        gmcharlt: I suck
19:53 gmcharlt      @later tell wizzyrea and perldoc is updating as well; note that as of this writing, it will be another 10-20 minutes before it finishes generating patches for all of the new tags and branches
19:53 huginn        gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
19:54 * cait        waves at gmcharlt
19:54 * gmcharlt    waves back at cait
19:54 cait          :)
19:54 Joubu         thanks gmcharlt!
19:54 huginn        New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 17829: (follow-up) Move GetMember to Koha::Patron - routing-lists.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1da47215516206d51545e5bc662a34e335127ff6> / Bug 19023 - inventory tool performance <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=95f1844e6c46ff51de9f95f99fcdf3369c756fd4> / Bug 18898 - Some permissions for Reports can be bypassed <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p
19:55 Joubu         gmcharlt: ha! Could you add the 2017 entry on the home page too?
19:55 Joubu         the cache!
19:56 gmcharlt      Joubu: you mean http://meetings.koha-community.org/?
19:56 Joubu         gmcharlt: yes, but it is! I did not refresh correctly the page, sorry
19:56 gmcharlt      no worries; besides, I just noticed that I need to updated the footer
19:57 KotH          cait: uhmm... my "library" is the books i own
19:57 KotH          cait: nothing public
19:57 cait          np - that's valid too :)
19:57 KotH          cait: i just have too many books
19:59 cait          hm what do I do when the kohadevbox has the wrong date?
20:02 cait          found it
20:04 KotH          ok... now the lables look half decent
20:04 KotH          comming back to my other question: what is a sane way to asign barcodes?
20:05 KotH          what rules do people usually use?
20:05 KotH          just starting at 1 and counting up?
20:05 gmcharlt      KotH: for a personal collection, that's a very reasonable approach
20:05 Joubu         cait: `sudo apt install ntp` :)
20:08 cait          yes :)
20:08 cait          maybe we should add this to kohadevbox
20:08 cait          i was really irritated by my calculated due dates
20:10 KotH          gmcharlt: and what would a sane scheme for a larger setting be?
20:11 gmcharlt      KotH: it depends - there are a few barcode schemes like 14-digit Codabar and 14-digit Code 39 that often get used by libraries in my experience
20:11 cait          we often start with something like 100000 to keep them more same length
20:12 gmcharlt      another consideration is, if one things that one's library might start regularly sharing resources among neighboring libraries, to try to keep ones barcode numbers unique among the set of libraries one might share with
20:12 gmcharlt      *one thinks
20:12 cait          there is an autobarcode setting with several settings
20:12 * cait        nods
20:13 cait          sometimes a prefix with sequential number after it is used then
20:13 cait          i think most schemes I know try to have the barcode always the same length - sometimes a check digit is added that the scanner can calculate and check
20:15 cait          our libraries usually by the labels preprinted from a vendor, so we are not involved that much
20:16 josef_moravec in czech Republic, we have central register of bracode prefixes, useful ;)
20:16 KotH          hmm? don't all barcodes contain a check?
20:17 KotH          josef_moravec: lol.. registring my prefix would be kind of overkill :-D
20:17 josef_moravec KotH: maybe ;) but when you try to do ILL it's useful ;)
20:17 KotH          jupp
20:18 KotH          but for that, i would need to enter a library network.. which i probably never will
20:19 KotH          unless people are interested in having my weird and habhazard collection of books :)
20:19 josef_moravec KotH: :D
20:25 Joubu         @later tell tcohen why koha-plack-debug is in kohadevbox and not koha?
20:25 huginn        Joubu: The operation succeeded.
20:39 Joubu         Will we have someone to chair the meeting? I am not going to attend to this one.
20:45 cait          i will probably be aorund
20:45 cait          Joubu: any opinion on the ES6 thing?
20:47 cait          hi tcohen
20:47 tcohen        hi
20:47 wahanui       bonjour, tcohen
20:47 Joubu         nope
20:47 tcohen        meeting?
20:47 wahanui       hmmm... meeting is in two days, i thought was tomorrow. plenty of time then
20:47 Joubu         It would be good to get feedback from users and support companies
20:48 Joubu         tcohen: in ~1h
20:48 Joubu         tcohen: I will not attend, are you willing to chair?
20:50 tcohen        I can try
20:50 tcohen        Joubu: koha-plack-debug is submitted to bugzilla
20:51 tcohen        https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18964
20:51 huginn        04Bug 18964: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , koha-plack should have a --debugger switch
20:51 tcohen        I just grabbed it for kohadevbox until it gets pushed
20:52 Joubu         ok, did not realize it was the same file
21:02 Joubu         bye #koha, have a good dev meeting
21:03 tcohen        bye!
21:04 cait          rangi ping me when you are around?
21:04 cait          have a question about adding images to the manual
21:21 wizzyrea      hi
21:21 wahanui       hola, wizzyrea
21:21 wizzyrea      thank you gmcharlt :D
21:31 rangi         here now cait
21:37 tcohen        hi rangi cait
21:45 tcohen        brb
21:46 jzairo        cait++
21:49 bag           cait++
21:57 pianohacker   hi all
21:58 josef_moravec hi pianohacker
21:58 josef_moravec and all ;)
21:58 pianohacker   hi josef_moravec :)
21:59 cait          oh right
21:59 cait          meeting time
21:59 wahanui       mmm meat
21:59 cait          one sec
22:00 BobB          good morning
22:00 wahanui       the only good morning is a dead one
22:00 cait          will start the meeting
22:00 cait          #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 9 August 2017
22:00 huginn        Meeting started Wed Aug  9 22:00:43 2017 UTC.  The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
22:00 huginn        Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
22:00 huginn        The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_9_august_2017'
22:00 cait          #topic Introductions
22:00 wahanui       #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
22:00 tcohen        #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions
22:00 pianohacker   #info Jesse Weaver
22:00 jenkins       Project Koha_Master_D8 build #237: UNSTABLE in 2 hr 2 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/237/
22:00 jenkins       * Jonathan Druart: Bug 18906: Display all funds the logged in user can use
22:01 jenkins       * Jonathan Druart: Bug 18898 - Some permissions for Reports can be bypassed
22:01 cait          please introduce yourself with #info following tcohen's example
22:01 jenkins       * Jonathan Druart: Bug 19023 - inventory tool performance
22:01 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18906 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Superlibrarian and budget_manage_all users should always see all funds
22:01 jenkins       * Jonathan Druart: Bug 17829: (follow-up) Move GetMember to Koha::Patron - routing-lists.pl
22:01 wizzyrea      #info Liz Rea, Catalyst IT
22:01 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18898 major, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , Some permissions for Reports can be bypassed
22:01 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19023 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Pushed to Master , inventory tool performance
22:01 rangi         #info Chris Cormack, Catalyst IT
22:01 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17829 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, RESOLVED FIXED, Move GetMember to Koha::Patron
22:01 cait          #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
22:01 BobB          #info Bob Birchall, Calyx
22:01 atheia        #info Alex Sassmannshausen, PTFS Europe, UK
22:01 josef_moravec #info Josef Moravec, Municipal LIbrary Usti nad Orlici, Czech Republic
22:01 cait          #chair tcohen
22:01 huginn        Current chairs: cait tcohen
22:01 cait          #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_9_August_2017 today's agenda
22:01 LeeJ          #info Lee Jamison, Marywood University
22:02 tcohen        hi everyone
22:02 mtj           #info Mason James, NZ
22:02 mtj           hi folks
22:02 BobB          hi mtj
22:02 pianohacker   hello, NZ :)
22:02 cait          ready to continue? :)
22:02 pianohacker   (/AUS)
22:02 cait          #topic Announcements
22:03 cait          anyone?
22:03 wahanui       i heard anyone was free to organize one at any time :-)
22:03 tcohen        I wanted add a small comment
22:03 cait          #info We just added a section on how to add screenshots to the manual with gitlab
22:03 cait          #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_9_August_2017
22:03 cait          hm wrong link
22:04 cait          #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Editing_the_Koha_Manual#Normal_-_Adding_screenshots_with_gitlab right link
22:04 cait          tcohen:  go ahead
22:04 bag           #info Bag Brendan gallagher
22:04 tcohen        #info tcohen is doing QA full time this week, please help him notice things you consider important besides the ones the RM notes
22:04 caboose       #info Michael Cabus, caboose
22:05 josef_moravec cait++
22:05 cait          tcohen: the clean-up script
22:05 josef_moravec tcohen++
22:05 bag           hackfest friday and saturday at kohaus
22:05 tcohen        cait: yes, I've added a followup to it, and am discussing it with Joubu, its quite tricky
22:05 josef_moravec tcohen: bug 14826
22:05 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14826 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , Resurrect account offsets table
22:05 cait          yeah, it is
22:05 tcohen        it would be great if people from oceania could take a look
22:05 cait          maybe we can do the issues first, they seem less tricky than the others
22:05 tcohen        while we sleep
22:06 cait          looking for the bug number
22:06 bag           I will we be trying to teach people how to use the sandboxes.  Also tcohen I may try to help some people set up their own kohadevbox - so I may need to ping you for help
22:06 tcohen        josef_moravec: I did that too, asked for some followups khall promply submitted before I was released from others he
22:06 cait          tcohen: do you have it on hand?
22:06 tcohen        bag: np
22:06 tcohen        cait: which?
22:06 wahanui       which is the most maintainable
22:06 tcohen        bug 19016
22:06 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19016 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Add a script to fix corrupted data
22:06 cait          bag: if you can, please also encourage to try editing the manual
22:06 LeeJ          bag: you should also mention they can help write the manual if they like to document! ;D
22:07 LeeJ          haha
22:07 bag           cait: I’m going to ask jzairo to lead that up
22:07 bag           but rangi encouraged most here to do manual work :)
22:07 cait          #info bug 19016 -  Add a script to fix corrupted data needs attention and testers
22:07 cait          I will be around too if there are questions, i think at least some of the time
22:08 tcohen        another thing I'd like to mention is that
22:08 bag           thanks cait
22:08 rangi         it's always a trip for me to see tables i created in 1999, that got removed, now coming back :-)
22:08 bag           ha
22:08 cait          #info Koha-US Conference is taking place this week, it's broadcasted http://koha-us.net/index.php/2017_Koha-US_Conference
22:09 tcohen        our jenkins nodes design is quite difficult to keep in sync so it works with different dependencies
22:09 tcohen        right now we have a situation in which pushing the needed REST api upgrade patches
22:09 tcohen        would require newer deps, and break jenkins tasks for stable branches
22:09 tcohen        to make it short
22:10 tcohen        I'm trying to have a kohadevbox-derived docker image to use for jenkins
22:10 tcohen        making it easier to keep running environments adjusted as needed
22:10 cait          can you do your own #info plz? :)
22:10 tcohen        anyone willing to help with opinions is welcome!
22:11 tcohen        #info tcohen and Joubu are exploring ways of containerizing jenkins tasks
22:11 bag           tcohen: larryb said he can create another node for you.  Get in touch with him
22:11 tcohen        bag: thanks
22:11 LeeJ          tcohen: I know that mtompset had been doing some work with koha/docker..he may have some input for you :)
22:12 tcohen        #info ByWater is handing the community another jenkins node in the meantime
22:12 tcohen        LeeJ: thanks
22:13 cait          ok, moving on?
22:13 tcohen        that's all from me
22:13 cait          #topic Update from the Release manager (17.11)
22:13 cait          #info Joubu left his apologies
22:14 cait          #link https://koha-community.org/whats-on-in-koha-devel-14/ for recent information about urgent topics and new things
22:15 cait          #info We will need help updating the manual and especially the help pages prior to 17.11 release in order to be able to switch it over to the Sphinx based one
22:15 cait          we need to fix links
22:15 cait          besides adding content of course
22:16 cait          moving on
22:16 cait          #topic Updates from the Release maintainers
22:16 cait          fridolis is not around, mtj?
22:16 cait          fridolin
22:16 wahanui       well, fridolin is busy at the moment, I asked him to backport the bug fix
22:17 cait          #info 16.11.11 will be the next 16.11.x release, planned on schedule, string freeze on the 15th, release on 22nd
22:17 cait          I hope we can include the script to fix data by then or have at least a partial fix for the most urgent (issues/old_issues)
22:17 cait          mtj?
22:17 wahanui       mtj is the 16.5 Rmaint for the 16.11 release cycle
22:17 mtj           #info 16.05.16 should be on schedule this month too
22:18 cait          moving on?
22:19 cait          #topic Updates from the QA team
22:19 cait          anyone from the QA team around?
22:19 oleonard      #info Owen Leonard, late.
22:19 tcohen        yes
22:19 pianohacker
22:19 pianohacker   woops
22:19 tcohen        #info QA team members are urged to spend some time on blockers and major bugs
22:20 tcohen        as marcelr said, enhancements will start to get stuck
22:20 tcohen        and we love enhancements
22:20 bag           yeah
22:20 tcohen        lets work on bugs (which we love to get fixed)
22:21 tcohen        if possible, add the tests you consider are needed and PQA on them
22:22 cait          fixing_bugs++
22:22 cait          we got some evil ones to deal with atm
22:22 cait          let's get this done and then add all the shiny features ;)
22:22 pianohacker   brb
22:22 cait          moving on?
22:22 bag           yeah
22:22 tcohen        yeah x2
22:23 cait          #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas...)
22:23 cait          pianohacker: please start :)
22:23 pianohacker   hi
22:23 pianohacker   back
22:24 pianohacker   okay, short version: we need to figure out how we feel about IE working on the staff client
22:24 pianohacker   long version
22:24 pianohacker   I'm working on the (now) Preact-based circ rules editor (mockup very soon), and if we don't want to beat our head against a transpiler
22:24 pianohacker   (a discussion which has gotten stuck a couple times now)
22:25 oleonard      Let's beat our head against a transpiler
22:25 bag           pianohacker: can we leave the current circ editor inplace and just add the other new one as a option if you so choose?
22:26 bag           then IE people can still use the old version.  (yeah that is just a work around and doesn’t answer the question)
22:26 pianohacker   bag: if people are okay with being locked out of the new shiny, that's totally okay with me
22:26 wizzyrea      well, is it all IE, or only older versions
22:26 pianohacker   oleonard: I would absolutely love to, but do we have a path forward that's not covered in bikesheds?
22:26 wizzyrea      I thought the newer ones were better at standards
22:26 pianohacker   wizzyrea: all IE for any ES6 features :/ edge works but is apparently not very common
22:27 oleonard      We're back in the world where the latest IE is exclusive to the latest version of Windows
22:27 pianohacker   yeah...
22:27 bag           It would make it easier for inclusion - you could even systempref it (maybe?)  yay more sysprefs
22:27 wizzyrea      ugh.
22:27 oleonard      bag: I suspect that will make maintenance twice as difficult
22:27 wizzyrea      yeah no
22:27 wizzyrea      let's not do that to ourselves.
22:27 bag           thanks oleonard that was what I was missing in my thoughts
22:27 pianohacker   I would strongly prefer not to syspref it; AdvancedCatalogingEditor is currently enabled on 2/608 Koha installations in hea
22:27 pianohacker   just to pick a random example ;)
22:27 bag           right - maintaining two circ rules - that’s out
22:28 LeeJ          pianohacker: my library is one! :D
22:28 tcohen        thenew circulation rules also try to be more flexible too
22:28 pianohacker   LeeJ: that does make me (and kidclamp) happy to hear :)
22:29 pianohacker   yes; so the old interface isn't a perfect representation (since you don't have to set every value for every branch/category/itemtype)
22:29 oleonard      As far as I'm concerned the idea of a preprocessor and/or transpiler isn't too bikeshedded really. It's just that I aimed to take the lead on it and then my Koha dev time was cut back drastically
22:29 rangi         i like the new circ rules, but (as you all know) it's vitally important we get it right
22:30 pianohacker   oleonard: do you think we have a decent shot at getting webpack/babel/npm into the Koha build/dev workflow?
22:31 oleonard      I'm not confident that webpack will work well without doing major changes to the way we handle JavaScript in general, so I'm leaning towards gulp still
22:31 cait          pianohacker: might be older versions on hea too? or just copy cataloguing
22:31 oleonard      maybe you and I could talk about that another time
22:31 pianohacker   because the only thing that has no obstacles (besides our sanity) is developing Preact using IE-compatible ES3.
22:31 pianohacker   oleonard: agreed :)
22:32 tcohen        as rangi says, code speaks, that's the only way to see the benefits of adopting new stuffs and changing workflows
22:32 oleonard      I still think it's vital to Koha's front-end future that we choose /something/ to do preprocessing stuff
22:33 pianohacker   It is theoretically possible, though gross, to check in the compiled code (like how we handle LESS)
22:33 cait          silly question maybe, but what does a transpiler do?
22:33 cait          translate code for different versions?
22:33 pianohacker   yup, that's the main relevant feature.
22:34 LeeJ          cait: perhaps add this to the info for reference? https://scotch.io/tutorials/javascript-transpilers-what-they-are-why-we-need-them
22:35 pianohacker   okay, just to summarize; we would prefer not to have two parallel circ rule interfaces, for reasons of maintainability
22:35 cait          #link https://scotch.io/tutorials/javascript-transpilers-what-they-are-why-we-need-them - we discussed about adding a trnaspiler / preprocessing stuff
22:35 cait          i think it might get in the way fast
22:36 cait          with the new stuff you want to add
22:36 pianohacker   natively using ES6 features (without transpilation) is out, because we don't want to completely cut off the IE users
22:36 cait          and also every new option will have to be added twice
22:36 pianohacker   right
22:36 cait          we stopped doing 2 opac templates because we didn't really manage that all too well
22:37 pianohacker   there's two options left: a) work on including a transpiler b) continue to write JS that works in IE.
22:37 tcohen        transpiler++
22:37 LeeJ          transpiler++
22:37 wizzyrea      um. concerns about dropping IE>
22:37 josef_moravec transpiler++
22:38 oleonard      Can we agree on IE10+ ?
22:38 * wizzyrea    signs off on that
22:38 tcohen        I think requiring a specific browser for a tool is not a big deal
22:38 rangi         yup
22:38 LeeJ          oleonard: is IE10 the current standard minimum?
22:38 wizzyrea      have you ever worked with government?
22:38 wizzyrea      requiring a specific browser is a very. big. deal.
22:39 rangi         i say go for the version ms still supports
22:39 tcohen        hm
22:39 oleonard      IE11 is the highest version still available on Windows 7
22:39 oleonard      I'm not sure about Windows 8, but Windows 10 has IE "Edge"
22:39 wizzyrea      I think 11+
22:39 rangi         https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsforbusiness/end-of-ie-support
22:39 pianohacker   that's the main reason I actually agreed with dcook's mailing list post, as much is it made me grind my teeth.
22:39 rangi         so 10 is not actually supported
22:40 oleonard      Okay cool. 11+
22:40 wizzyrea      MS has forced everyone up anyway I think
22:40 rangi         yeah
22:40 wizzyrea      i'm sure you'll find stragglers
22:40 pianohacker   Okay. I will work (in conjunction with oleonard) on putting together some transpiler stuff. It may not be the perfect, ideal build pipeline, but it's a path forward.
22:40 rangi         but we do them no favours leaving them on a browser thats had no security patches since jan 2016
22:41 LeeJ          pianohacker++ oleonard++ transpiler++
22:41 tcohen        https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsforbusiness/end-of-ie-support
22:41 cait          maybe start a wiki page with some of those links and information?
22:41 pianohacker   Quick minivote; if it substantially eases getting this new project integrated, how bad would checking in the transpiled JS be?
22:41 cait          it might beuseful later on
22:41 jfowler       Does anyone know if it's possible to import multiple items from an individual MARC record? For example, if a MARC record has holding information for a multi-volume set with multiple barcodes, can Koha import both the bib and the item info?
22:42 wizzyrea      jfowler, we are in a meeting can you hold on?
22:42 jfowler       sure. Sorry guys.
22:42 wizzyrea      sok :)
22:42 pianohacker   we should be done soonish :) no worries
22:42 tcohen        pianohacker: I'm not sure about that
22:43 tcohen        I think transpiling might be better done on testing/packaging time
22:43 pianohacker   it's not ideal, and if at all possible would not be permanent, but do we have any steps in the current dev workflow to include "npm build" or "npm watch"?
22:44 oleonard      Let's postpone that discussion until pianohacker and I have had a chance to come up with a proposal
22:44 pianohacker   kk
22:44 bag           oh yeah hi pianohacker - great to have you here :)
22:44 pianohacker   oh hi bag :)
22:44 cait          #action pianohacker and oleonard are going to work out a proposal for adding a transpiler into our workflow
22:44 cait          hope that was right :)
22:44 oleonard      Looks good to me
22:45 pianohacker   yup! I think that wraps up that discussion for the time being
22:45 cait          any last minute additions before i move on?
22:45 cait          #topic Review of coding guidelines
22:45 cait          we got no proposals on the wiki - someone has something?
22:46 cait          #topic Review of coding guidelines
22:46 tcohen        oleonard: good idea
22:46 cait          hm, didn't change
22:46 cait          ah
22:46 cait          huginn is sleepy
22:46 huginn        cait: I've exhausted my database of quotes
22:46 cait          you are exhausted... i understand
22:46 pianohacker   amen
22:46 cait          ok, moving on then
22:47 cait          #topic Set time of next meeting
22:47 cait          I got no idea of how this curerntly works
22:47 cait          i think every 2 weeks?
22:47 tcohen        yes, in 2 weeks
22:47 pianohacker   alternating between, what, 10 and 22 UTC?
22:47 tcohen        exactly
22:47 cait          looks like 14 and 21
22:47 cait          https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Meetings
22:48 pianohacker   I certainly prefer 14 ;)
22:48 cait          24th, 14?
22:48 tcohen        23rd
22:48 cait          ok
22:48 tcohen        wednesdays
22:48 wahanui       wednesdays is when I stab people, same problem.
22:49 cait          it's already thursday here :)
22:49 cait          #agreed Next meeting will be on August 23, 14 UTC
22:49 cait          thx all for attending!
22:49 cait          #endmeeting
22:49 huginn        Meeting ended Wed Aug  9 22:49:32 2017 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
22:49 huginn        Minutes:        http://meetings.koha-community.org/2017/development_irc_meeting_9_august_2017.2017-08-09-22.00.html
22:49 huginn        Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2017/development_irc_meeting_9_august_2017.2017-08-09-22.00.txt
22:49 huginn        Log:            http://meetings.koha-community.org/2017/development_irc_meeting_9_august_2017.2017-08-09-22.00.log.html
22:49 bag           cait++
22:49 josef_moravec cait++
22:49 LeeJ          cait++
22:49 BobB          thanks cait
22:49 oleonard      cait++
22:50 josef_moravec good night all ;)
22:50 pianohacker   night!
22:50 oleonard      Thanks to everyone who stayed up too late for that
22:50 tcohen        night everyone
22:50 tcohen        cait++
22:50 pianohacker   jfowler: yes, that should be possible.
22:51 pianohacker   oleonard: drafting you an email right now :)
22:51 LeeJ          well I'm off to have dinner!
22:51 oleonard      Thanks pianohacker. I'll be able to respond tomorrow.
22:51 pianohacker   (thumbsup)
22:53 jfowler       pianohacker: Would you know of any place where I might find documentation on that? When I've tried to do it using the MARC import function, it only seems to include the first volume.
22:53 wizzyrea      what does your record look like
22:53 wizzyrea      you can use paste.koha-community.org
22:54 pianohacker   jfowler: yup, definitely do that; my first question is if each volume has its own MARC tag
22:54 pianohacker   barton++
22:54 LeeJ          pianohacker: by the way...our cataloger sends her thanks for Advanced Editor. You made her work much easier :)
22:54 cait          952 specifically
22:54 pianohacker   LeeJ: :D excellent!
22:54 pianohacker   thanks, that's good to know
22:54 barton        Hi pianohacker!
22:54 pianohacker   hi barton! :)
22:54 pianohacker   figured you needed some karma for something good you'd done
22:54 jfowler       pianohacker: I'll paste it. But yes. Each has a 999 tag
22:55 wizzyrea      they need to be 952
22:55 wizzyrea      and your subfields rearranged to be kohalike
22:55 barton        thanks pianohacker, I needed a bartonsnack. :-)
22:55 LeeJ          pianohacker: I also mentioned it to kidclamp and put in a bug for the idea of enabling the 856u upload plugin to be accessible from Advanced Editor :)
22:56 barton        ooh. I like.
22:56 pastebot      "jfowler" at pasted "Marc record with multiple 999 fields" (29 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/579
22:56 pianohacker   wizzyrea: do we still have a nice docs page to point folks at with the Koha item MARC mappings?
22:57 pianohacker   LeeJ: that would be great! And not devastating to implement
22:57 wizzyrea      hm, no idea. might be in the manual
22:57 wizzyrea      I just look at the add items page
22:57 pianohacker   *makes promises on kidclamp's behalf while he's asleep*
22:57 pianohacker   >:D
22:57 wizzyrea      the letter/number is the subfield for that one
22:57 wizzyrea      nicely labeled and everything
22:57 LeeJ          pianohacker: Bug 18905 :)
22:57 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18905 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nick, NEW , Advanced editor - Rancor - Add support for /cataloguing/value_builder/upload.pl
22:58 jfowler       here's the paste ---> http://paste.koha-community.org/579
22:58 LeeJ          well I'm heading out! have a good night all!
22:59 wizzyrea      yeah, you will need to convert those 999's to 952's
22:59 pianohacker   jfowler: yup; you'll need to remap those. If you want an automated way to do that, check out MARCEdit
22:59 pianohacker   I need to head out, coffee shop is closing around me
22:59 pianohacker   bye all!
22:59 jfowler       pianohacker: I've been using the templates to covert to the appropriate 952 fields, but it only picks up the first one
23:00 wizzyrea      that may be a limitation of the tool.
23:01 pianohacker   yeah, I'm not sure that will work :/
23:01 jfowler       Ok. That's what I needed to know. But if I change them in MarcEdit, it should work
23:02 jfowler       ?
23:02 wizzyrea      yes, theoretically
23:02 wizzyrea      you should try it ;)
23:02 cait1         ys, but i think you need to rework your subfields too
23:02 jfowler       Great. Many thanks to all of you.
23:02 cait1         $a and $b need to be the branchcode
23:02 wizzyrea      I think he has got those mappings, if he's been trying to use the tools
23:02 cait1         $y the itemtype
23:02 cait1         $o barcode, $p itemcallnumber
23:03 cait1         you are probably right, just trying to avoid the next possible problem I guess
23:04 wizzyrea      :)
23:05 pianohacker   actually leaving now :)
23:10 cait1         wizzyrea++
23:22 KotH          am i blind, or isnt there a tool to batch assign barcodes?
23:23 cait1         bath tools only work for adding the same value to a field atm
23:24 cait1         using sql might be an option, but do a full reindex if you change something in items with SQL
23:24 cait1         good night all
23:24 KotH          oki
23:24 KotH          thanks
23:25 wizzyrea      KotH, you can assign subsequent barcodes when you add several of the same item
23:25 wizzyrea      but you can't say, provide an itemnumber/barcode pair and batch update them.
23:25 wizzyrea      not from the interface.
23:25 wizzyrea      would be a cool feature you should submit a bug to add that.
23:26 KotH          hmm.. maybe i should just print the lables and type them in after stickign them on the books
23:26 KotH          probably the better idea...
23:26 wizzyrea      oh is this to do with printing barcodes
23:26 KotH          yes
23:27 wizzyrea      I always hated the chicken/egg of the barcode creator
23:27 wizzyrea      you have to have a barcode, to print a barcode.
23:27 KotH          i'm trying to figure out how to do it "correctly" (for fuzzy values of correct)
23:27 wizzyrea      Probably what you want to do
23:27 wizzyrea      is work out a scheme for your barcode numbers
23:28 wizzyrea      add them incrementally when you add items
23:28 wizzyrea      then go to the label creator and print them
23:28 wizzyrea      you could write a report that shows you all barcodes added in a date range
23:28 wizzyrea      to get the list to put into the creator
23:29 wizzyrea      then put the title on the barcode, so you know which book it goes on (makes putting them on the book easy)
23:29 wizzyrea      alternatively
23:29 wizzyrea      order barcodes
23:29 wizzyrea      because that workflow seems hard.
23:29 KotH          i am currently thinking of using a perl script to create the bar codes, which gives me a bit more freedom in desiging them
23:29 wizzyrea      if you're going to do that
23:29 wizzyrea      you should just make the existing creator do what you want :)
23:29 wizzyrea      and submit it.
23:30 KotH          hehe
23:30 wizzyrea      you laugh
23:30 wizzyrea      it's how Koha gets better.
23:30 KotH          are you trying to robe me into contributing to yet another OSS project? ;)
23:30 wizzyrea      of course not. (yes!)
23:31 wizzyrea      You should do it because it's the right thing to do.
23:31 wizzyrea      ;)
23:31 KotH          *g*
23:31 KotH          i can easily do the perl part... i have no clue about how to do the html/web part of it
23:34 KotH          damn you! now i'm cloning the repo instead of sleeping!
23:34 wizzyrea      My work here is done. :)
23:39 KotH          how strict are you with adding additional dependencies?
23:39 wizzyrea      depends really
23:39 wizzyrea      heh
23:39 KotH          pun intended?
23:39 KotH          :)
23:39 wizzyrea      maybe a little
23:41 * KotH        is thinking about PDF::Reuse and PDF::Reuse::Barcode which depend on GD::Barcode
23:42 wizzyrea      I'm surprised we don't have those already
23:42 KotH          maybe they are used somewhere...
23:42 wizzyrea      i mean, we generate pdf's in koha
23:42 * KotH        knows nothing about koha internally
23:43 * KotH        is still trying to find out where the pdfs for the labels are generated
23:44 KotH          correction-... it's already in use
23:45 wizzyrea      we have *lots* of common stuff in use
23:45 KotH          well, it's written in perl not in python
23:46 wizzyrea      C4/Creators/PDF.pm might be what you are looking for
23:47 KotH          part of it
23:47 wahanui       hmmm... part of it is when it starts getting cold, I think.
23:47 KotH          that's only the last step
23:47 wizzyrea      some of the label code is in C4/Labels/
23:47 KotH          btw: what's C4?
23:47 wahanui       hmmm... C4 is a high explosive :-) or "Cheap & Cheerful Copy of (the ILS program HLT used to use)"
23:48 KotH          and what's the difference to Koha/ ?
23:48 KotH          bah! stupid bot!
23:48 wizzyrea      some in labels/
23:48 wizzyrea      no, that's actually what it is
23:49 wizzyrea      we taught the bot to answer common questions ;)
23:49 KotH          hey.. i'm a noob! all questions i ask are common!
23:49 wizzyrea      things are gradually moving from C4 namespace to Koha namespace as they are tidied up
23:50 KotH          ok
23:50 wizzyrea      basically, C4 = old Koha= new hotness
23:50 KotH          well.. i will have a look at what exactly i want to do and then check what the code can do already
23:50 wizzyrea      :)
23:50 KotH          maybe all it needs is just some coercion :)
23:50 wizzyrea      good luck.
23:50 wizzyrea      Completely possible.
23:50 KotH          thanks
23:50 KotH          but first i need to get some sleep
23:51 wizzyrea      yes sleeping is important.
23:51 KotH          otherwise i'll spend another day not doing what i'm supposed to do
23:51 wizzyrea      putting barcodes on books?
23:51 KotH          lol
23:51 KotH          not exactly :)
23:51 * KotH        is supposed to do SCIENCE!
23:51 wizzyrea      also noble
23:52 KotH          anyways.. i'm off...
23:52 KotH          thanks for answering stupid questions
23:53 KotH          (and just for the record: koha is awsome! works out of the box and behaves extremely well from a sysadmin point of view)
23:55 wizzyrea      :)
23:56 wizzyrea      you must have followed the instructions ^.^