Time Nick Message 21:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17829 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, RESOLVED FIXED, Move GetMember to Koha::Patron 21:40 jenkins Jonathan Druart: Bug 17829: Execute rollingloans tests in a transaction 21:40 jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #231: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 56 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/231/ 21:29 wahanui hello, wizzyrea 21:29 wizzyrea hi 19:41 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 17829: Execute rollingloans tests in a transaction <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5017931c5a414f3f2267127309c3b1c031aec770> 19:25 Joubu ^ some tests do not clean up correctly and the selenium tests fail. The patron categories are created with big integer in the fields *fee 19:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15140 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Add MARC21 776 to OPAC and staff display 19:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18976 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, lari.taskula, Pushed to Master , Fix t/db_dependent/Auth.t cleanup 19:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18977 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, lari.taskula, Pushed to Master , Rollback branch in t/db_dependent/SIP/Message.t 19:24 jenkins * Jonathan Druart: Bug 15140 (QA Followup) lowercase the search index 19:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18152 major, P1 - high, ---, stephane.delaune, Pushed to Stable , UNIMARC bib records imported with invalid 'a' char in label pos.9 19:24 jenkins * Jonathan Druart: Bug 15140: Display $i when ind2==8 19:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18910 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Regression: Z39.50 wrong conversion in Unimarc by Bug 18152 19:24 jenkins * Jonathan Druart: Bug 15140: Add MARC21 776 to OPAC and staff display 19:24 jenkins * Jonathan Druart: Bug 18976: (follow-up) Fix t/db_dependent/Search/History.t cleanup 19:24 jenkins * Jonathan Druart: Bug 18976: Fix t/db_dependent/Auth.t cleanup 19:24 jenkins * Jonathan Druart: Bug 18977: Rollback branch in t/db_dependent/SIP/Message.t 19:24 jenkins * Jonathan Druart: Bug 18910: Revert "Bug 18152 : fix unimarc label in SetMarcUnicodeFlag" 19:24 jenkins * Jonathan Druart: Bug 18910: Revert "Bug 18152: Add tests" 19:24 jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #230: ABORTED in 1 hr 22 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/230/ 19:03 LeeJ have a good night #koha 18:05 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15140 (QA Followup) lowercase the search index <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9d5fa221e80aec69051ed011751fada84e5c4b61> / Bug 15140: Display $i when ind2==8 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=03f5c5b4f82d6f3eba2b4e7dd4eae7e28d53a60a> / Bug 15140: Add MARC21 776 to OPAC and staff display <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7b7ffe 18:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18966 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Move of checkouts - Deal with duplicate IDs at DBMS level 18:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18931 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Add a "data corrupted" section on the about page 18:01 jenkins * Jonathan Druart: Bug 18966: Do not deal with duplicate issue_id on checkin 18:01 jenkins * Jonathan Druart: Bug 18931 - Follow up - Typo fix in template for holds 18:01 jenkins * Jonathan Druart: Bug 18931: (followup) Tidy text 18:01 jenkins * Jonathan Druart: Bug 18931 - Follow up - Typo fix in SQL statement 18:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18982 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , selenium tests needs too many prerequisites 18:01 jenkins * Jonathan Druart: Bug 18931: Add items/deleteditems tables 18:01 jenkins * Jonathan Druart: Bug 18931: Add a "data corrupted" section on the about page - MySQL AI 18:01 jenkins * Jonathan Druart: Bug 18982: Remove data in the correct order 18:01 jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #229: ABORTED in 1 hr 3 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/229/ 17:56 cait wrote sth for the next what#s on 17:56 cait I mentioned your youtube video 17:55 cait LeeJ++ :) 17:45 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 18976: (follow-up) Fix t/db_dependent/Search/History.t cleanup <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6d8b26b01f505771fe0d359d29fff8bc963e5291> / Bug 18976: Fix t/db_dependent/Auth.t cleanup <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=99d18bf0f3f729261b6560f0dd3c5d757aba3a19> / Bug 18977: Rollback branch in t/db_dependent/SIP/Message.t <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/ 17:39 LeeJ cait: I put in a plug at the dev meeting about the kohadocs integration into devbox :) 17:39 Joubu lari++ 17:39 * LeeJ waves to cait 17:23 jzairo I am 17:23 jzairo cait 17:23 cait just saw the email from gitlab 17:23 cait jzairo: around? 17:18 cait just got your later - cooking dinner, then checking on the bugs and meeting logs 17:17 Joubu hi cait 17:17 * cait waves 17:11 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 18910: Revert "Bug 18152 : fix unimarc label in SetMarcUnicodeFlag" <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8e0bb409aef75ac0f18a50d3a34a749f4e87da84> / Bug 18910: Revert "Bug 18152: Add tests" <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=dd60cd9635fd51073d01ec5a24340564f61cd5e7> 17:03 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 17:03 Joubu @later tell mtj for the next release, you should pick bug 18910 as well 17:02 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 17:02 Joubu @later tell cait for the next release, you should pick bug 18910 as well 17:02 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 17:02 Joubu @later tell fridolin for the next release, you should pick bug 18910 as well 16:59 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 18966: Do not deal with duplicate issue_id on checkin <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a9a500e81d5d90c7a83a785c48014fce8bc17eec> / Bug 18931 - Follow up - Typo fix in template for holds <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=45ff2ef129ea8a52ad7d08a531aad6b3e1e665f3> / Bug 18931: (followup) Tidy text <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h 16:35 Freddy_Enrique if i were to change it to custom_opac.css, then I should point it using opaclayoutstylesheet indicating that name? 16:33 Freddy_Enrique I found it here /usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs/opac-tmpl/bootstrap/css/opac.css 16:23 Freddy_Enrique Wait, my bad. Not gonna change it directly, first I'm gonna make a copy of it 16:22 Freddy_Enrique mveron: Do you recommend a particular software to make changes to this file? 16:20 mveron Freddy_Enrique: Use OPACUserCSS if you want to define styles (colors) for OPAC, or use opaclayoutstylesheet to point to a CSS file on your Koha server 16:07 Freddy_Enrique eythian: got it 16:00 eythian if you edit existing files, they may be overwritten when you next upgrade. 16:00 eythian I think there's a syspref that allows you to provide your own CSS file 16:00 eythian don't touch installed files 15:55 Freddy_Enrique touch* 15:55 Freddy_Enrique if I want to change font and color do I need to tocuh this file? opac.css? 15:35 * thd needs to try returning to sleep to have any chance of being productive later today. 15:31 mveron Welcome :-) 15:30 Freddy_Enrique mveron: thanks, ill take a look and see what happens :) 15:29 mveron Freddy_Enrique: ^ 15:28 mveron ...and here: http://manual.koha-community.org/17.05/en/impopac.html 15:28 mveron For your OPAC customization: Maybe you can find some inspiration here: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Gallery_of_customized_OPACs 15:24 Freddy_Enrique ^_^ 15:23 thd Freddy_Enrique: yes 15:23 kidclamp Ah, okay, I misunderstood 15:23 Freddy_Enrique ? 15:23 Freddy_Enrique uhm... did the meeting end 15:22 thd I grew up with the MELVYL system using APL created by the California Digital Library as an automation system for the University of California and other state libraries. 15:21 Joubu kidclamp: To me the "assign to" of the kanban is not the one from BZ. If the card is in "Ready for test" the assignee is the one who is going to test it 15:19 * mveron did his very first programming with APL 15:19 mveron APL? - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APL_(programming_language) 15:17 thd If BASIC had the equivalent of CPAN we would all still be using it ;) 15:16 eythian been a good year or 15 since I've done pascal in anger. 15:16 mveron Basic? 15:16 Joubu or Pascal, to make things fun 15:16 Joubu I was more thinking about Java 15:15 thd :) 15:15 eythian Joubu: sounds like you have time for porting koha to perl 6. 15:15 Joubu I cannot sleep more, trust me. And I am not going to burn out either, no worries :) 15:12 LeeJ Joubu: yes...with that not condition! 15:11 thd Joubu: Only rest, relaxation, and sleep protect against burn out. Above all sleep. [I have been well past burn out point in the past month and a half helping my neighbour who could not even let visiting nurses into the building herself.] 15:09 Joubu To make things clear: I will not push anything "big" until I do not have a BIG F!!** RED BUTTON to get attention on something 15:08 Joubu with a not $joubu->burning_out condition 15:07 LeeJ kidclamp: maybe put Joubu in a for loop? 15:07 kidclamp Joubu++ 15:07 kidclamp Joubu++ 15:06 wahanui OK, eythian. 15:06 eythian wahanui: kanban is <reply>https://tree.taiga.io/project/joubu-koha-rm-1711/kanban 15:06 wahanui eythian, I didn't have anything matching \a kanban 15:06 eythian wahanui: forget \a kanban 15:06 LeeJ Joubu++ # for putting up with everyone's shenanigans 15:06 mveron Joubu++ 15:06 wahanui eythian: I forgot kanban 15:06 eythian wahanui: forget a kanban 15:06 thd 21 or 22 UTC is more likely to be a conflict for me than earlier hours. 15:06 tcohen Joubu++ 15:06 tcohen cool :-D thanks kidclamp 15:05 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2017/development_irc_meeting_26_july_2017.2017-07-26-14.00.log.html 15:05 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2017/development_irc_meeting_26_july_2017.2017-07-26-14.00.txt 15:05 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2017/development_irc_meeting_26_july_2017.2017-07-26-14.00.html 15:05 huginn Meeting ended Wed Jul 26 15:05:59 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 15:05 Joubu #endmeeting 15:05 Joubu #info Next meeting: August 9, 22 UTC 15:05 kidclamp 21 is to catch NZ folks I think, 22 maybe? 15:04 tcohen Joubu: 21 is the time I pick Manuel 15:03 Joubu We were 2 at the last 21UTC meeting 15:03 Joubu Next meeting: August 9, 21 UTC? 15:03 Joubu thx 15:03 Joubu #link https://github.com/digibib/kohadevbox/issues/202 15:02 LeeJ Joubu: https://github.com/digibib/kohadevbox/issues/202 15:02 LeeJ Joubu: ah! yes I misunderstood! One moment 15:02 Joubu of KohaDevBox 15:02 Joubu to integrate in kohadevbox, did not you open an issue on the github? 15:01 LeeJ Joubu: the steps to setup for working with the command line method are in the Editing the Koha Manual wiki 15:00 Joubu LeeJ: do you have a link? 15:00 LeeJ if it's alright I'd like to also point out I'm working with cait on getting the Koha manual command line method integrated in kohadevbox 14:59 Joubu It helps to have a good overview of what is in the bug report 14:59 kidclamp can do 14:59 Joubu I did it few weeks ago 14:59 Joubu kidclamp: could you add the new ES bug to the kanban? 14:59 kidclamp thanks Joubu 14:59 kidclamp I will try to send an updated ES status soon - stil things to work on, but I am excited about possibilities 14:58 kidclamp woudl be appreciated, these will both ease testability of ES 14:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18950 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nick, Needs Signoff , Elasticsearch - Add password access for admin functions 14:58 kidclamp or bug 18950 14:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18948 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nick, Needs Signoff , Elasticsearch - Reindexes should use aliases to avoid down time while reindexing 14:58 kidclamp I wanted to say any comments on bug 18948 14:58 Joubu nothing on the agenda man :) 14:57 kidclamp you are fast man :-) 14:57 kidclamp I am working with Khall towards getting ES sandboxes setup 14:57 Joubu #topic Set time of next meeting 14:57 wahanui something is probably fishy 14:57 Joubu something? 14:57 Joubu #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) 14:57 Joubu LeeJ++ 14:56 LeeJ the video is linked in the Editing the Koha Manual wiki 14:56 LeeJ Also I created a quick YouTube video that shows the edit process 14:56 Joubu #info We are looking for volunteers to help update the manual, please get in touch 14:56 Joubu #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Editing_the_Koha_Manual 14:56 Joubu We are looking for volunteers to help update the manual, please get in touch or just give it a try (see Editing the Koha Manual for instructions) 14:56 Joubu From cait: 14:55 Joubu #topic help update the manual 14:55 tcohen *long 14:55 tcohen sorry to take the stage for this ling 14:55 tcohen I would love to have it in master and be able to add to kohadevbox tools to make it accessible to anyone 14:54 tcohen or comment on bugzilla 14:54 tcohen anyone willing to put their eyes on koha-plack --debugger, please contact me 14:54 Joubu I will take a look this week 14:54 tcohen starting the debug session 14:54 tcohen and wrapping all the env needed to make it connect to the remote debugger 14:53 tcohen is it just making starman run in single thread mode 14:53 tcohen my koha-plack tweak is not intended for a specific tool 14:53 tcohen you can effectively inspect variables, evaluate things, etc 14:53 tcohen using $DB::single = 1; on the line you want to stop at 14:52 tcohen BUT 14:52 tcohen it is tricky and I think there's a bug in the connector 14:52 tcohen the main complication is URI mapping 14:52 tcohen I think it is a bug in the connector 14:52 tcohen IDE integration was not ideal 14:52 tcohen somehow 14:51 Joubu You managed to make it work under plack? 14:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18964 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , koha-plack should have a --debug switch 14:51 tcohen #link bug 18964 proposes adding a --debugger switch to koha-plack 14:51 tcohen and I submitted a patch for the koha-plack script 14:50 tcohen that's what I've been playing with 14:50 tcohen what's more difficult is to do it on a running Plack 14:50 tcohen remote debugguing cli scripts is pretty straightforward 14:50 tcohen so, to sumarize 14:50 tcohen I will send an informative email I think 14:49 tcohen people interested should google for xdebug support 14:49 tcohen the remote debugger lib implements the xdebug protocol 14:49 tcohen #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debugging_in_VIM 14:49 tcohen https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debugging_in_VIM 14:49 tcohen Joubu: yes 14:48 wahanui I haven't seen 'the', Joubu 14:48 Joubu seen the wiki page, right? 14:48 tcohen Joubu: yes, Vim too 14:48 Joubu - Vim 14:48 tcohen and translates to perl -d 14:48 tcohen remote debugging Perl apps requires using a bridge lib that implements some remote debugging abstract protocol 14:47 tcohen - Eclipse 14:47 tcohen - Komodo IDE 14:47 tcohen - Atom 14:47 tcohen - Sublime 3 14:47 tcohen - Visual Studio Code 14:47 Joubu yes that would be great 14:47 tcohen I tried the following editors/IDEs 14:46 tcohen thinking of baking it into kohadevbox too 14:46 tcohen I've been trying to set a more productive dev environment 14:46 tcohen Yup 14:46 Joubu tcohen again? 14:45 Joubu #topic Development environment 14:45 marcelr tcohen++ 14:45 tcohen frmo me 14:45 tcohen that's all about REST 14:45 tcohen Joubu: thanks, I'll ask Mirko to update the unstable repo so we don't break people's dev environments 14:45 kidclamp tcohen++ 14:44 tcohen #info people interested on the REST api evolution should add thmeselves to the REST epic in Kanban and/or contact tcohen 14:44 Joubu As I said last week I push to master on your go 14:44 wahanui comments are turned on 14:44 tcohen comments? 14:43 tcohen so pushing it doesn't yield any inconsistency 14:43 tcohen I will try to submit a followup adjusting the deps versions to what Mirko answered 14:42 tcohen OpenAPI requires some dependency changes, Mirko has them packaged already 14:42 tcohen Joubu: yes, thanks! 14:42 Joubu if you add a task or let a comment, they will be notified 14:41 Joubu you have on the kanban (https://tree.taiga.io/project/joubu-koha-rm-1711/epic/34) a list of people that said they are interested in helping the REST api work 14:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18137 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, lari.taskula, Passed QA , REST API: Migrate from Mojolicious::Plugin::Swagger2 to Mojolicious::Plugin::OpenAPI 14:41 tcohen #info We need to push bug 18137 so we move to the new OpenAPI plugin, and all endpoints submitted to bugzilla will need to be refactored (minor changes) 14:40 tcohen and provide the community with more fine grained details of the goals 14:40 tcohen can contact me to organize tasks 14:40 tcohen I'm just proposing people interested on the REST api evolution 14:39 tcohen I don't think it is something to be voted 14:39 tcohen d 14:39 tcohen many of them are already in BZ but need to be refactores 14:39 tcohen - create a more detailed doc with details of the needed endpoints and the current implemetnation statuses 14:38 tcohen - put all the pieces together 14:38 Joubu yes it did, but we were 2... 14:38 tcohen this means: 14:38 tcohen I basically propose myself to coordinate the efforts to move the REST api patches 14:38 tcohen a while back I tried to propose what's on the wiki, but the meeting didn't take place 14:37 Joubu tcohen: ? 14:37 Joubu #topic REST api 14:37 thd Some things are sadly flat ;( 14:36 Joubu no 14:36 Joubu #subtopic REST api 14:36 Joubu subtopic? 14:36 Joubu #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) 14:35 Joubu QAers, nothing else to add? 14:35 fridolin soorry im quite buzy 14:34 marcelr we should look at the older ones too.. 14:34 marcelr our queue is still > 100 14:34 Joubu #topic Updates from the QA team 14:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18966 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , Move of checkouts - Deal with duplicate IDs at DBMS level 14:33 Joubu #info bug 18966 is waiting for QA and block next releases 14:33 Joubu #info stable release are delayed, because of the checkin/out bugs 14:33 Joubu ok I will do this job too... 14:32 Joubu cait is not around 14:32 Joubu fridolin, mtj ? 14:32 Joubu #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers 14:32 marcelr hang on mkuhn 14:32 Joubu Nope, will skip them, not the time to process everything 14:32 mkuhn Some are giving 0.5 h of their time here at this moment 14:31 marcelr 80 guys probably on vacation 14:31 atheia I imagine this is 4 issues rolled into one discussion? 14:30 Joubu Hea: People manage to enter alpha characters in a readonly input, the geolocation data are not always set correctly on the hea website, I fixed it yesterday to display the map correctly. 14:30 Joubu I also have a list of paid support companies to remove from the website, how do I process? 14:30 Joubu The next "what's on in koha-devel" and blog post about the kanban is still on my todo list, will come when the next stable versions will be released. 14:30 Joubu I am going to publish the result of the poll (Ready to help the Koha community?) I am still waiting for the 80+ people and 1000h who were ready to dedicate to the project (per month!) 14:30 atheia I will start using that. 14:30 atheia Joubu: cool. I did not know about that. 14:30 Joubu going to c/p 14:29 Joubu let's continue, I have other things 14:29 Joubu thd: no 14:29 Joubu I am talking about that stuff: http://dashboard.koha-community.org/bz_status 14:29 thd Joubu: Despite the resource demand, I think the kanban could be more useful if the interface had better ergonomics. Can the kanban be arranged to only require scrolling up and down, not left to right? 14:29 atheia I wasn't even aware I had my own dashboard? 14:28 Joubu Nope, that cannot work. Are you aware of the "ws" to display the section "BZ status" of our dashboard onto your dashboard? 14:28 atheia But if I'm the only one in that position, then maybe it's on me to change my workflow… 14:27 atheia I have primarily an email based workflow, which is why I was suggesting the special subject tag. 14:27 Joubu what could be added to make it you aware of an important discussion/feedback to follow/give? 14:26 Joubu atheia: you are a good exemple I think 14:26 atheia Joubu: fair enough. 14:26 atheia And I'm speaking just for myself here, but I'm drowning in information, so I delete koha email threads on occasion… 14:25 Joubu it's your job to check them 14:25 Joubu cannot do more 14:25 Joubu There is the dashboard, "blocker" and "critical", the saved BZ searches, and the kanban marked "important" with a red flag 14:25 thd Joubu: I know that the kanban is not essential to accomplishing the necessary tasks, however, I think that it can help despite the resource demand.. 14:25 atheia clearly it is not right that Joubu is currently simply not getting the attention when he needs it for a critical discussion, 14:25 atheia Well, it could be restricted to the RM for use in their judgement? 14:25 marcelr your question :) 14:24 atheia marcelr: who are you reacting to? 14:24 marcelr atheia: IN NO TIME CAPS ALL OVER THE PLACE 14:24 wahanui http://i.imgur.com/hVVuP.jpg 14:24 marcelr no please 14:24 Joubu I personnaly will continue to improve our testing suite, write test, reduce execution time, etc. You can follow this job on the kanban. 14:23 atheia This may be really frustrating to ask, but maybe the all caps subject line for WARNING I NEED HELP could be useful to prioritise urgent stuff? 14:23 Joubu I would also suggest people to continue/finish what is already in our bug tracker rather than starting new developments. 14:23 tcohen to each one to explain why cannot spend more time in Koha 14:23 LeeJ one thought I have on how to alert more people...is it possible to have some sort of "Needs Urgent Attention" on the BZ homepage? 14:23 Joubu next 14:23 tcohen this is not a personal question 14:23 Joubu ok next, I will send I email to the list, please think about it 14:23 mveron It's a question of time... 14:22 thd I personally have too much of a preoccupation coaxing my elderly neighbour through what is involved in changing her heart valve and living situation which is scary for her after she has spent decades ignoring medicine. 14:22 marcelr no but why are people less interested ? 14:22 Joubu It's not related to the size of the group 14:22 Joubu and without the need to ping people individually during 2 months 14:21 Joubu I am talking about adding a "BIG WARNING I NEED HELP" that cannot be ignore by other devs 14:21 mveron marcelr: +1 14:21 kidclamp new enhancements draw more people in - but I agree we should resolve blockers as fast possible 14:21 marcelr Joubu: prioritize making it stable but allow enhancements 14:21 mkuhn Joubu: +1 14:21 * tcohen doesn't like that Joubu 14:20 LibraryClaire with re to the blocker, I had been testing it here at work, but in terms of coding my knowledge runs out. 14:20 Joubu tcohen: ok then I will prefer to spend the next dev cycle to make Koha stable and robust and stop new enh 14:20 tcohen Joubu: maybe it is time to accept we are a smaller group of people coding than we thought 14:19 LeeJ second that...as members of the community it is our obligation to take responsibility as a whole for dropping the ball on glaring issues (except for those who handle it regularly) 14:19 mkuhn How many people are in this chat at the moment, giving their time, waiting for some lines to read, expecting what? 14:19 Joubu guys, are you here or not? 14:18 Joubu tcohen: and? 14:18 Joubu you have bugzilla, the dashboard and the several emails I sent to koha-devel, no need to use the kanban if you do not want to use it 14:17 thd marcelr++ Bugzilla can be used without draining RAM. 14:16 tcohen there's certaintly something wrong on how things are working a while back 14:16 tcohen marcelr is right 14:15 marcelr you dont need the kanban to know that this circulation bug is a blocker 14:15 thd One thing which I have experienced more than I should given my networking situation is the excessive JavaScript running the kanban etc. requires so much RAM that it brings my netbook to a mere crawl. 14:14 Joubu LeeJ: well, the idea was to centralized things :) 14:14 Joubu seriously... 14:14 mkuhn There is a lot of good will and competence etc etc - BUT there is also chitter chatter, chaos, ineffiency, few time, frustration, new abbreviations, another new software to communicate etc etc etc - we all have to deal with it. 14:14 wahanui a kanban is probably https://tree.taiga.io/project/joubu-koha-rm-1711/wiki/home 14:14 mkuhn What is a kanban anyway? 14:13 LeeJ It's evident the amount of time you've put into the kanban but my question would be (to the community in general) is it possible the kanban is *too* decentralized? 14:12 Joubu The carrots in this case would have been to not get 10 of your customers complaining because they lost circulation data 14:11 atheia (I'm speaking as an RM assistant who is painfully aware that I should be doing more here…) 14:11 Joubu carrots or baton? 14:11 atheia Problem is, what carrots do we have? 14:11 thd Joubu: Try more carrots. Carrots are orange, not red :) 14:10 Joubu (well, you can stay, but ask later :)) 14:10 CJSHayward OK 14:10 Joubu CJSHayward: meeting time, come back later please 14:10 CJSHayward If I create an instance foo, what is the name of the admin user to use to do setup. 14:09 Joubu This is the first point, I have others. So we can discuss now about it, or just ignore it and I continue with the next one. 14:09 marcelr you can't do much more imo 14:09 Joubu (Do not tell me I need holidays, I had 10d very lately.) 14:09 Joubu Where can I put a BIG RED URGENT WARNING to get the needed attention? 14:08 Joubu So I have a question, and it is a simple one 14:08 Joubu Not enough people attend dev meetings (last time we were 2...), my emails on the ML are not read or did not receive the necessary attention, kanban is not followed and the dashboard is ignored. 14:08 Joubu I have to repeat myself dozen of times and explain again and again the same things, it is really exhausting. 14:07 Joubu We had (and still have...) a blocker for stable releases for 2 months and only few people are *really* involved. I have to ask for help and ping people individually to get feedback. 14:07 Joubu How do we do guys? I have created a Kanban to prioritize tasks, I have created a "ws" to display important bugs on your dashboard (if you like) 14:06 Joubu 17.11 cycle has started 2 months ago, an I am feeling a bit struck. 14:06 Joubu I will complain a bit, sorry in advance... 14:06 Joubu #topic Update from the Release Manager (17.11) 14:05 kidclamp that's all 14:05 kidclamp #link http://koha-us.net/index.php/2017_Koha-US_Conference KohaUS Conference 14:05 kidclamp http://koha-us.net/index.php/2017_Koha-US_Conference 14:05 kidclamp this friday 14:05 kidclamp The deadline to register for this conference is next Friday, July 28th. 14:04 kidclamp Koha US is in two weeks 14:04 Joubu Awesome, next 14:04 Joubu Anyone have something to announce? 14:03 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 14:03 Joubu #topic Announcements 14:03 atheia #info Alex Sassmannshausen, PTFS Europe 14:02 kidclamp #info Nick Clemens, ByWaterSolutions 14:02 Joubu #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_26_July_2017 14:02 d_antonakis #info Dimitris Antonakis, Athens Greece 14:01 mveron #info Marc Véron, Koha Support Schweiz 14:01 cc_ #info Colin Campbell PTFS Europe 14:01 LibraryClaire #info Claire Gravely, BSZ, Germany 14:01 LeeJ #info Lee Jamison, Marywood University 14:01 mkuhn #info Michael Kuhn, Switzerland 14:01 tcohen #info Tomás Cohen Arazi 14:01 marcelr #info Marcel de Rooy, Rijksmuseum 14:01 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart 14:01 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 14:01 Joubu #topic Introductions 14:00 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_26_july_2017' 14:00 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 14:00 huginn Meeting started Wed Jul 26 14:00:51 2017 UTC. The chair is Joubu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:00 Joubu #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 26 July 2017 14:00 LeeJ okay 14:00 tcohen Hi everyone, it is meeting time 14:00 Freddy_Enrique So glad to see you here as well 13:59 Freddy_Enrique Hey there!!!! Dyrcona 13:59 * Dyrcona waves to Freddy_Enrique. :) 13:59 Freddy_Enrique Then. About the picture I posted... how do they do? do they keep a backup of the template to avoid problems with updates? 13:58 LeeJ listen to mveron and kidclamp they've been doing this much longer than I have :) 13:58 Freddy_Enrique I see. Ill fisrt try with system preferences then. I heard that there was a second way to customize the OPAC so I wanted to investigate a little bit 13:55 kidclamp you can do a lot in system preferences and with JS 13:55 mveron Yes. Recommended customising is by system preferences. 13:54 Freddy_Enrique let me get this straight....If I change the template files there's a risk That I lose them with upcoming updates? 13:53 Freddy_Enrique !!! 13:53 mveron Freddy_Enrique: Try to go with the system preferences first like OpacMainUserBlock or OPACUserCSS. If you change template files you risk that they are overwritten with the next update! 13:53 LeeJ Freddy_Enrique: I'd suggest the template files directly because the system preferences may become a problem if a future bug report makes changes to the way it functions 13:52 Freddy_Enrique say.... if I change the template, will it automatically load? 13:52 LeeJ Freddy_Enrique: they edit *almost* exactly like regular HTML files. 13:51 Freddy_Enrique ohh..... 13:51 LeeJ Freddy_Enrique: though they may restrict what you hope to accomplish. If so, template files are located under <koha directory>/koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl 13:51 Freddy_Enrique Uhm... what would you recommend? system preferences or config files? 13:50 LeeJ Freddy_Enrique: OPACUserCSS and OPACUserJS are the two system preferences that would control the OPAC appearance 13:50 Freddy_Enrique thanks :) 13:49 LeeJ let me see if I can remember the syspref names 13:49 LeeJ Freddy_Enrique: well it may be possible to do quite a bit of customization from the web interface staff client using the Administration interface's CSS and JS fields 13:49 Freddy_Enrique As far as I know, I can change my staff interface too, but I'm happy how it looks :) 13:48 Freddy_Enrique could you tell me which files I need to config 13:47 Freddy_Enrique so...no Koha administration interface 13:47 LeeJ Freddy_Enrique: for OPAC visual customizations you should only need to touch OPAC template files 13:45 Freddy_Enrique Will I only need the web interface to do that? or should I touch config files? 13:44 Freddy_Enrique Yay, well. I'm not so familiar with opac customization. if I want to make my OPAC look like this: https://snag.gy/UEVwOv.jpg 13:43 LeeJ we'll certainly try! 13:43 Freddy_Enrique these* 13:42 Freddy_Enrique I hope you can aid me with this questions 13:42 * LeeJ waves to Freddy_Enrique mveron 13:42 Freddy_Enrique Pleased to meet you 13:42 mveron :-) 13:41 tcohen hi mveron Freddy_Enrique 13:41 Freddy_Enrique anyone here? :) 13:41 Freddy_Enrique me: waves at everyone 13:39 mveron Hi again #koha 13:17 kidclamp LeeJ++ 13:15 * LeeJ waves to tcohen marcelr 13:14 kidclamp hi marcelr tcohen 13:14 marcelr hi Leej tcohen and kidclamp 13:14 tcohen hi everyone 13:13 kidclamp I use the link every time 13:13 LeeJ kidclamp: thanks..still getting used to UTC conversions :) 13:11 kidclamp 49 minutes :-) 13:11 LeeJ dev meeting is in an hour correct? 13:08 LeeJ morning #koha 13:08 * LeeJ waves 11:48 marcelr o/ 11:48 eythian hi marcelr 11:47 marcelr hi #koha 09:19 eythian hi 08:07 cait same 08:06 atheia cait: Busy busy, but generally good! How about you? 08:05 cait atheia: how are things? :) 07:52 atheia Somehow ended up with both Polari & Empathy connecting to Koha at once. Got it down to just Polari now :-) 07:52 atheia phew. Think I got it now. 07:43 atheia Think I may have to quit and rejoin… 07:43 wahanui the only good morning is a dead one 07:43 atheia Good morning! 07:40 cait good morning atheia 07:39 fridolin cait: bonjour 07:38 cait hi fridolin 07:38 cait mtj++ 07:37 fridolin hie ehtere 07:21 wahanui hey, gaetan_B 07:21 gaetan_B hello 05:31 cait hi alexbuckley :) 05:13 alexbuckley hi cait 00:09 * Francesca waves