Time  Nick           Message
00:09 * Francesca    waves
05:13 alexbuckley    hi cait
05:31 cait           hi alexbuckley :)
07:21 gaetan_B       hello
07:21 wahanui        hey, gaetan_B
07:37 fridolin       hie ehtere
07:38 cait           mtj++
07:38 cait           hi fridolin
07:39 fridolin       cait: bonjour
07:40 cait           good morning atheia
07:43 atheia         Good morning!
07:43 wahanui        the only good morning is a dead one
07:43 atheia         Think I may have to quit and rejoin…
07:52 atheia         phew. Think I got it now.
07:52 atheia         Somehow ended up with both Polari & Empathy connecting to Koha at once. Got it down to just Polari now :-)
08:05 cait           atheia: how are things? :)
08:06 atheia         cait: Busy busy, but generally good! How about you?
08:07 cait           same
09:19 eythian        hi
11:47 marcelr        hi #koha
11:48 eythian        hi marcelr
11:48 marcelr        o/
13:08 * LeeJ         waves
13:08 LeeJ           morning #koha
13:11 LeeJ           dev meeting is in an hour correct?
13:11 kidclamp       49 minutes :-)
13:13 LeeJ           kidclamp: thanks..still getting used to UTC conversions :)
13:13 kidclamp       I use the link every time
13:14 tcohen         hi everyone
13:14 marcelr        hi Leej tcohen and kidclamp
13:14 kidclamp       hi marcelr tcohen
13:15 * LeeJ         waves to tcohen marcelr
13:17 kidclamp       LeeJ++
13:39 mveron         Hi again #koha
13:41 Freddy_Enrique me: waves at everyone
13:41 Freddy_Enrique anyone here? :)
13:41 tcohen         hi mveron Freddy_Enrique
13:42 mveron         :-)
13:42 Freddy_Enrique Pleased to meet you
13:42 * LeeJ         waves to Freddy_Enrique mveron
13:42 Freddy_Enrique I hope you can aid me with this questions
13:43 Freddy_Enrique these*
13:43 LeeJ           we'll certainly try!
13:44 Freddy_Enrique Yay, well. I'm not so familiar with opac customization. if I want to make my OPAC look like this: https://snag.gy/UEVwOv.jpg
13:45 Freddy_Enrique Will I only need the web interface to do that? or should I touch config files?
13:47 LeeJ           Freddy_Enrique: for OPAC visual customizations you should only need to touch OPAC template files
13:47 Freddy_Enrique so...no Koha administration interface
13:48 Freddy_Enrique could you tell me which files I need to config
13:49 Freddy_Enrique As far as I know, I can change my staff interface too, but I'm happy how it looks :)
13:49 LeeJ           Freddy_Enrique: well it may be possible to do quite a bit of customization from the web interface staff client using the Administration interface's CSS and JS fields
13:49 LeeJ           let me see if I can remember the syspref names
13:50 Freddy_Enrique thanks :)
13:50 LeeJ           Freddy_Enrique: OPACUserCSS and OPACUserJS are the two system preferences that would control the OPAC appearance
13:51 Freddy_Enrique Uhm... what would you recommend? system preferences or config files?
13:51 LeeJ           Freddy_Enrique: though they may restrict what you hope to accomplish. If so, template files are located under <koha directory>/koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl
13:51 Freddy_Enrique ohh.....
13:52 LeeJ           Freddy_Enrique: they edit *almost* exactly like regular HTML files.
13:52 Freddy_Enrique say.... if I change the template, will it automatically load?
13:53 LeeJ           Freddy_Enrique: I'd suggest the template files directly because the system preferences may become a problem if a future bug report makes changes to the way it functions
13:53 mveron         Freddy_Enrique: Try to go with the system preferences first like OpacMainUserBlock  or OPACUserCSS. If you change template files you risk that they are overwritten with the next update!
13:53 Freddy_Enrique !!!
13:54 Freddy_Enrique let me get this straight....If I change the template files there's a risk That I lose them with upcoming updates?
13:55 mveron         Yes. Recommended customising is by system preferences.
13:55 kidclamp       you can do a lot in system preferences and with JS
13:58 Freddy_Enrique I see. Ill fisrt try with system preferences then. I heard that there was a second way to customize the OPAC so I wanted to investigate a little bit
13:58 LeeJ           listen to mveron and kidclamp they've been doing this much longer than I have :)
13:59 Freddy_Enrique Then. About the picture I posted... how do they do? do they keep a backup of the template to avoid problems with updates?
13:59 * Dyrcona      waves to Freddy_Enrique. :)
13:59 Freddy_Enrique Hey there!!!! Dyrcona
14:00 Freddy_Enrique So glad to see you here as well
14:00 tcohen         Hi everyone, it is meeting time
14:00 LeeJ           okay
14:00 Joubu          #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 26 July 2017
14:00 huginn         Meeting started Wed Jul 26 14:00:51 2017 UTC.  The chair is Joubu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
14:00 huginn         Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
14:00 huginn         The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_26_july_2017'
14:01 Joubu          #topic Introductions
14:01 wahanui        #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
14:01 Joubu          #info Jonathan Druart
14:01 marcelr        #info Marcel de Rooy, Rijksmuseum
14:01 tcohen         #info Tomás Cohen Arazi
14:01 mkuhn          #info Michael Kuhn, Switzerland
14:01 LeeJ           #info Lee Jamison, Marywood University
14:01 LibraryClaire  #info Claire Gravely, BSZ, Germany
14:01 cc_            #info Colin Campbell PTFS Europe
14:01 mveron         #info Marc Véron, Koha Support Schweiz
14:02 d_antonakis    #info Dimitris Antonakis, Athens Greece
14:02 Joubu          #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_26_July_2017
14:02 kidclamp       #info Nick Clemens, ByWaterSolutions
14:03 atheia         #info Alex Sassmannshausen, PTFS Europe
14:03 Joubu          #topic Announcements
14:03 thd            #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
14:04 Joubu          Anyone have something to announce?
14:04 Joubu          Awesome, next
14:04 kidclamp       Koha US is in two weeks
14:05 kidclamp       The deadline to register for this conference is next Friday, July 28th.
14:05 kidclamp       this friday
14:05 kidclamp       http://koha-us.net/index.php/2017_Koha-US_Conference
14:05 kidclamp       #link http://koha-us.net/index.php/2017_Koha-US_Conference KohaUS Conference
14:05 kidclamp       that's all
14:06 Joubu          #topic Update from the Release Manager (17.11)
14:06 Joubu          I will complain a bit, sorry in advance...
14:06 Joubu          17.11 cycle has started 2 months ago, an I am feeling a bit struck.
14:07 Joubu          How do we do guys? I have created a Kanban to prioritize tasks, I have created a "ws" to display important bugs on your dashboard (if you like)
14:07 Joubu          We had (and still have...) a blocker for stable releases for 2 months and only few people are *really* involved. I have to ask for help and ping people individually to get feedback.
14:08 Joubu          I have to repeat myself dozen of times and explain again and again the same things, it is really exhausting.
14:08 Joubu          Not enough people attend dev meetings (last time we were 2...), my emails on the ML are not read or did not receive the necessary attention, kanban is not followed and the dashboard is ignored.
14:08 Joubu          So I have a question, and it is a simple one
14:09 Joubu          Where can I put a BIG RED URGENT WARNING to get the needed attention?
14:09 Joubu          (Do not tell me I need holidays, I had 10d very lately.)
14:09 marcelr        you can't do much more imo
14:09 Joubu          This is the first point, I have others. So we can discuss now about it, or just ignore it and I continue with the next one.
14:10 CJSHayward     If I create an instance foo, what is the name of the admin user to use to do setup.
14:10 Joubu          CJSHayward: meeting time, come back later please
14:10 CJSHayward     OK
14:10 Joubu          (well, you can stay, but ask later :))
14:11 thd            Joubu: Try more carrots. Carrots are orange, not red :)
14:11 atheia         Problem is, what carrots do we have?
14:11 Joubu          carrots or baton?
14:11 atheia         (I'm speaking as an RM assistant who is painfully aware that I should be doing more here…)
14:12 Joubu          The carrots in this case would have been to not get 10 of your customers complaining because they lost circulation data
14:13 LeeJ           It's evident the amount of time you've put into the kanban but my question would be (to the community in general) is it possible the kanban is *too* decentralized?
14:14 mkuhn          What is a kanban anyway?
14:14 wahanui        a kanban is probably https://tree.taiga.io/project/joubu-koha-rm-1711/wiki/home
14:14 mkuhn          There is a lot of good will and competence etc etc - BUT there is also chitter chatter, chaos, ineffiency, few time, frustration, new abbreviations, another new software to communicate etc etc etc - we all have to deal with it.
14:14 Joubu          seriously...
14:14 Joubu          LeeJ: well, the idea was to centralized things :)
14:15 thd            One thing which I have experienced more than I should given my networking situation is the excessive JavaScript running the kanban etc. requires so much RAM that it brings my netbook to a mere crawl.
14:15 marcelr        you dont need the kanban to know that this circulation bug is a blocker
14:16 tcohen         marcelr is right
14:16 tcohen         there's certaintly something wrong on how things are working a while back
14:17 thd            marcelr++ Bugzilla can be used without draining RAM.
14:18 Joubu          you have bugzilla, the dashboard and the several emails I sent to koha-devel, no need to use the kanban if you do not want to use it
14:18 Joubu          tcohen: and?
14:19 Joubu          guys, are you here or not?
14:19 mkuhn          How many people are in this chat at the moment, giving their time, waiting for some lines to read, expecting what?
14:19 LeeJ           second that...as members of the community it is our obligation to take responsibility as a whole for dropping the ball on glaring issues (except for those who handle it regularly)
14:20 tcohen         Joubu: maybe it is time to accept we are a smaller group of people coding than we thought
14:20 Joubu          tcohen: ok then I will prefer to spend the next dev cycle to make Koha stable and robust and stop new enh
14:20 LibraryClaire  with re to the blocker, I had been testing it here at work, but in terms of coding my knowledge runs out.
14:21 * tcohen       doesn't like that Joubu
14:21 mkuhn          Joubu: +1
14:21 marcelr        Joubu: prioritize making it stable but allow enhancements
14:21 kidclamp       new enhancements draw more people in  - but I agree we should resolve blockers as fast possible
14:21 mveron         marcelr: +1
14:21 Joubu          I am talking about adding a "BIG WARNING I NEED HELP" that cannot be ignore by other devs
14:22 Joubu          and without the need to ping people individually during 2 months
14:22 Joubu          It's not related to the size of the group
14:22 marcelr        no but why are people less interested ?
14:22 thd            I personally have too much of a preoccupation coaxing my elderly neighbour through what is involved in changing her heart valve and living situation which is scary for her after she has spent decades ignoring medicine.
14:23 mveron         It's a question of time...
14:23 Joubu          ok next, I will send I email to the list, please think about it
14:23 tcohen         this is not a personal question
14:23 Joubu          next
14:23 LeeJ           one thought I have on how to alert more people...is it possible to have some sort of "Needs Urgent Attention" on the BZ homepage?
14:23 tcohen         to each one to explain why cannot spend more time in Koha
14:23 Joubu          I would also suggest people to continue/finish what is already in our bug tracker rather than starting new developments.
14:23 atheia         This may be really frustrating to ask, but maybe the all caps subject line for WARNING I NEED HELP could be useful to prioritise urgent stuff?
14:24 Joubu          I personnaly will continue to improve our testing suite, write test, reduce execution time, etc. You can follow this job on the kanban.
14:24 marcelr        no please
14:24 wahanui        http://i.imgur.com/hVVuP.jpg
14:24 marcelr        atheia: IN NO TIME CAPS ALL OVER THE PLACE
14:24 atheia         marcelr: who are you reacting to?
14:25 marcelr        your question :)
14:25 atheia         Well, it could be restricted to the RM for use in their judgement?
14:25 atheia         clearly it is not right that Joubu is currently simply not getting the attention when he needs it for a critical discussion,
14:25 thd            Joubu: I know that the kanban is not essential to accomplishing the necessary tasks, however, I think that it can help despite the resource demand..
14:25 Joubu          There is the dashboard, "blocker" and "critical", the saved BZ searches, and the kanban marked "important" with a red flag
14:25 Joubu          cannot do more
14:25 Joubu          it's your job to check them
14:26 atheia         And I'm speaking just for myself here, but I'm drowning in information, so I delete koha email threads on occasion…
14:26 atheia         Joubu: fair enough.
14:26 Joubu          atheia: you are a good exemple I think
14:27 Joubu          what could be added to make it you aware of an important discussion/feedback to follow/give?
14:27 atheia         I have primarily an email based workflow, which is why I was suggesting the special subject tag.
14:28 atheia         But if I'm the only one in that position, then maybe it's on me to change my workflow…
14:28 Joubu          Nope, that cannot work. Are you aware of the "ws" to display the section "BZ status" of our dashboard onto your dashboard?
14:29 atheia         I wasn't even aware I had my own dashboard?
14:29 thd            Joubu: Despite the resource demand, I think the kanban could be more useful if the interface had better ergonomics.  Can the kanban be arranged to only require scrolling up and down, not left to right?
14:29 Joubu          I am talking about that stuff: http://dashboard.koha-community.org/bz_status
14:29 Joubu          thd: no
14:29 Joubu          let's continue, I have other things
14:30 Joubu          going to c/p
14:30 atheia         Joubu: cool.  I did not know about that.
14:30 atheia         I will start using that.
14:30 Joubu          I am going to publish the result of the poll (Ready to help the Koha community?) I am still waiting for the 80+ people and 1000h who were ready to dedicate to the project (per month!)
14:30 Joubu          The next "what's on in koha-devel" and blog post about the kanban is still on my todo list, will come when the next stable versions will be released.
14:30 Joubu          I also have a list of paid support companies to remove from the website, how do I process?
14:30 Joubu          Hea: People manage to enter alpha characters in a readonly input, the geolocation data are not always set correctly on the hea website, I fixed it yesterday to display the map correctly.
14:31 atheia         I imagine this is 4 issues rolled into one discussion?
14:31 marcelr        80 guys probably on vacation
14:32 mkuhn          Some are giving 0.5 h of their time here at this moment
14:32 Joubu          Nope, will skip them, not the time to process everything
14:32 marcelr        hang on mkuhn
14:32 Joubu          #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers
14:32 Joubu          fridolin, mtj ?
14:32 Joubu          cait is not around
14:33 Joubu          ok I will do this job too...
14:33 Joubu          #info stable release are delayed, because of the checkin/out bugs
14:33 Joubu          #info bug 18966 is waiting for QA and block next releases
14:34 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18966 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , Move of checkouts - Deal with duplicate IDs at DBMS level
14:34 Joubu          #topic Updates from the QA team
14:34 marcelr        our queue is still > 100
14:34 marcelr        we should look at the older ones too..
14:35 fridolin       soorry im quite buzy
14:35 Joubu          QAers, nothing else to add?
14:36 Joubu          #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...)
14:36 Joubu          subtopic?
14:36 Joubu          #subtopic REST api
14:36 Joubu          no
14:37 thd            Some things are sadly flat ;(
14:37 Joubu          #topic REST api
14:37 Joubu          tcohen: ?
14:38 tcohen         a while back I tried to propose what's on the wiki, but the meeting didn't take place
14:38 tcohen         I basically propose myself to coordinate the efforts to move the REST api patches
14:38 tcohen         this means:
14:38 Joubu          yes it did, but we were 2...
14:38 tcohen         - put all the pieces together
14:39 tcohen         - create a more detailed doc with details of the needed endpoints and the current implemetnation statuses
14:39 tcohen         many of them are already in BZ but need to be refactores
14:39 tcohen         d
14:39 tcohen         I don't think it is something to be voted
14:40 tcohen         I'm just proposing people interested on the REST api evolution
14:40 tcohen         can contact me to organize tasks
14:40 tcohen         and provide the community with more fine grained details of the goals
14:41 tcohen         #info We need to push bug 18137 so we move to the new OpenAPI plugin, and all endpoints submitted to bugzilla will need to be refactored (minor changes)
14:41 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18137 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, lari.taskula, Passed QA , REST API: Migrate from Mojolicious::Plugin::Swagger2 to Mojolicious::Plugin::OpenAPI
14:41 Joubu          you have on the kanban (https://tree.taiga.io/project/joubu-koha-rm-1711/epic/34) a list of people that said they are interested in helping the REST api work
14:42 Joubu          if you add a task or let a comment, they will be notified
14:42 tcohen         Joubu: yes, thanks!
14:42 tcohen         OpenAPI requires some dependency changes, Mirko has them packaged already
14:43 tcohen         I will try to submit a followup adjusting the deps versions to what Mirko answered
14:43 tcohen         so pushing it doesn't yield any inconsistency
14:44 tcohen         comments?
14:44 wahanui        comments are turned on
14:44 Joubu          As I said last week I push to master on your go
14:44 tcohen         #info people interested on the REST api evolution should add thmeselves to the REST epic in Kanban and/or contact tcohen
14:45 kidclamp       tcohen++
14:45 tcohen         Joubu: thanks, I'll ask Mirko to update the unstable repo so we don't break people's dev environments
14:45 tcohen         that's all about REST
14:45 tcohen         frmo me
14:45 marcelr        tcohen++
14:45 Joubu          #topic Development environment
14:46 Joubu          tcohen again?
14:46 tcohen         Yup
14:46 tcohen         I've been trying to set a more productive dev environment
14:46 tcohen         thinking of baking it into kohadevbox too
14:47 tcohen         I tried the following editors/IDEs
14:47 Joubu          yes that would be great
14:47 tcohen         - Visual Studio Code
14:47 tcohen         - Sublime 3
14:47 tcohen         - Atom
14:47 tcohen         - Komodo IDE
14:47 tcohen         - Eclipse
14:48 tcohen         remote debugging Perl apps requires using a bridge lib that implements some remote debugging abstract protocol
14:48 tcohen         and translates to perl -d
14:48 Joubu          - Vim
14:48 tcohen         Joubu: yes, Vim too
14:48 Joubu          seen the wiki page, right?
14:48 wahanui        I haven't seen 'the', Joubu
14:49 tcohen         Joubu: yes
14:49 tcohen         https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debugging_in_VIM
14:49 tcohen         #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debugging_in_VIM
14:49 tcohen         the remote debugger lib implements the xdebug protocol
14:49 tcohen         people interested should google for xdebug support
14:50 tcohen         I will send an informative email I think
14:50 tcohen         so, to sumarize
14:50 tcohen         remote debugguing cli scripts is pretty straightforward
14:50 tcohen         what's more difficult is to do it on a running Plack
14:50 tcohen         that's what I've been playing with
14:51 tcohen         and I submitted a patch for the koha-plack script
14:51 tcohen         #link bug 18964 proposes adding a --debugger switch to koha-plack
14:51 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18964 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , koha-plack should have a --debug switch
14:51 Joubu          You managed to make it work under plack?
14:52 tcohen         somehow
14:52 tcohen         IDE integration was not ideal
14:52 tcohen         I think it is a bug in the connector
14:52 tcohen         the main complication is URI mapping
14:52 tcohen         it is tricky and I think there's a bug in the connector
14:52 tcohen         BUT
14:53 tcohen         using  $DB::single = 1; on the line you want to stop at
14:53 tcohen         you can effectively inspect variables, evaluate things, etc
14:53 tcohen         my koha-plack tweak is not intended for a specific tool
14:53 tcohen         is it just making starman run in single thread mode
14:54 tcohen         and wrapping all the env needed to make it connect to the remote debugger
14:54 tcohen         starting the debug session
14:54 Joubu          I will take a look this week
14:54 tcohen         anyone willing to put their eyes on koha-plack --debugger, please contact me
14:54 tcohen         or comment on bugzilla
14:55 tcohen         I would love to have it in master and be able to add to kohadevbox tools to make it accessible to anyone
14:55 tcohen         sorry to take the stage for this ling
14:55 tcohen         *long
14:55 Joubu          #topic help update the manual
14:56 Joubu          From cait:
14:56 Joubu          We are looking for volunteers to help update the manual, please get in touch or just give it a try (see Editing the Koha Manual for instructions)
14:56 Joubu          #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Editing_the_Koha_Manual
14:56 Joubu          #info We are looking for volunteers to help update the manual, please get in touch
14:56 LeeJ           Also I created a quick YouTube video that shows the edit process
14:56 LeeJ           the video is linked in the Editing the Koha Manual wiki
14:57 Joubu          LeeJ++
14:57 Joubu          #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...)
14:57 Joubu          something?
14:57 wahanui        something is probably fishy
14:57 Joubu          #topic Set time of next meeting
14:57 kidclamp       I am working with Khall towards getting ES sandboxes setup
14:57 kidclamp       you are fast man :-)
14:58 Joubu          nothing on the agenda man :)
14:58 kidclamp       I wanted to say any comments on bug 18948
14:58 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18948 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nick, Needs Signoff , Elasticsearch - Reindexes should use aliases to avoid down time while reindexing
14:58 kidclamp       or bug 18950
14:58 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18950 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nick, Needs Signoff , Elasticsearch - Add password access for admin functions
14:58 kidclamp       woudl be appreciated, these will both ease testability of ES
14:59 kidclamp       I will try to send an updated ES status soon - stil things to work on, but I am excited about possibilities
14:59 kidclamp       thanks Joubu
14:59 Joubu          kidclamp: could you add the new ES bug to the kanban?
14:59 Joubu          I did it few weeks ago
14:59 kidclamp       can do
14:59 Joubu          It helps to have a good overview of what is in the bug report
15:00 LeeJ           if it's alright I'd like to also point out I'm working with cait on getting the Koha manual command line method integrated in kohadevbox
15:00 Joubu          LeeJ: do you have a link?
15:01 LeeJ           Joubu: the steps to setup for working with the command line method are in the Editing the Koha Manual wiki
15:02 Joubu          to integrate in kohadevbox, did not you open an issue on the github?
15:02 Joubu          of KohaDevBox
15:02 LeeJ           Joubu: ah! yes I misunderstood! One moment
15:02 LeeJ           Joubu: https://github.com/digibib/kohadevbox/issues/202
15:03 Joubu          #link https://github.com/digibib/kohadevbox/issues/202
15:03 Joubu          thx
15:03 Joubu          Next meeting: August 9, 21 UTC?
15:03 Joubu          We were 2 at the last 21UTC meeting
15:04 tcohen         Joubu: 21 is the time I pick Manuel
15:05 kidclamp       21 is to catch NZ folks I think, 22 maybe?
15:05 Joubu          #info Next meeting: August 9, 22 UTC
15:05 Joubu          #endmeeting
15:05 huginn         Meeting ended Wed Jul 26 15:05:59 2017 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
15:05 huginn         Minutes:        http://meetings.koha-community.org/2017/development_irc_meeting_26_july_2017.2017-07-26-14.00.html
15:05 huginn         Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2017/development_irc_meeting_26_july_2017.2017-07-26-14.00.txt
15:05 huginn         Log:            http://meetings.koha-community.org/2017/development_irc_meeting_26_july_2017.2017-07-26-14.00.log.html
15:06 tcohen         cool :-D thanks kidclamp
15:06 tcohen         Joubu++
15:06 thd            21 or 22 UTC is more likely to be a conflict for me than earlier hours.
15:06 eythian        wahanui: forget a kanban
15:06 wahanui        eythian: I forgot kanban
15:06 mveron         Joubu++
15:06 LeeJ           Joubu++ # for putting up with everyone's shenanigans
15:06 eythian        wahanui: forget \a kanban
15:06 wahanui        eythian, I didn't have anything matching \a kanban
15:06 eythian        wahanui: kanban is <reply>https://tree.taiga.io/project/joubu-koha-rm-1711/kanban
15:06 wahanui        OK, eythian.
15:07 kidclamp       Joubu++
15:07 kidclamp       Joubu++
15:07 LeeJ           kidclamp: maybe put Joubu in a for loop?
15:08 Joubu          with a not $joubu->burning_out condition
15:09 Joubu          To make things clear: I will not push anything "big" until I do not have a BIG F!!** RED BUTTON to get attention on something
15:11 thd            Joubu: Only rest, relaxation, and sleep protect against burn out.  Above all sleep.  [I have been well past burn out point in the past month and a half helping my neighbour who could not even let visiting nurses into the building herself.]
15:12 LeeJ           Joubu: yes...with that not condition!
15:15 Joubu          I cannot sleep more, trust me. And I am not going to burn out either, no worries :)
15:15 eythian        Joubu: sounds like you have time for porting koha to perl 6.
15:15 thd            :)
15:16 Joubu          I was more thinking about Java
15:16 Joubu          or Pascal, to make things fun
15:16 mveron         Basic?
15:16 eythian        been a good year or 15 since I've done pascal in anger.
15:17 thd            If BASIC had the equivalent of CPAN we would all still be using it ;)
15:19 mveron         APL? - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APL_(programming_language)
15:19 * mveron       did his very first programming with APL
15:21 Joubu          kidclamp: To me the "assign to" of the kanban is not the one from BZ. If the card is in "Ready for test" the assignee is the one who is going to test it
15:22 thd            I grew up with the MELVYL system using APL created by the California Digital Library as an automation system for the University of California and other state libraries.
15:23 Freddy_Enrique uhm... did the meeting end
15:23 Freddy_Enrique ?
15:23 kidclamp       Ah, okay, I misunderstood
15:23 thd            Freddy_Enrique: yes
15:24 Freddy_Enrique ^_^
15:28 mveron         For your OPAC customization: Maybe you can find some inspiration here: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Gallery_of_customized_OPACs
15:28 mveron         ...and here: http://manual.koha-community.org/17.05/en/impopac.html
15:29 mveron         Freddy_Enrique: ^
15:30 Freddy_Enrique mveron: thanks, ill take a look and see what happens :)
15:31 mveron         Welcome :-)
15:35 * thd          needs to try returning to sleep to have any chance of being productive later today.
15:55 Freddy_Enrique if I want to change font and color do I need to tocuh this file? opac.css?
15:55 Freddy_Enrique touch*
16:00 eythian        don't touch installed files
16:00 eythian        I think there's a syspref that allows you to provide your own CSS file
16:00 eythian        if you edit existing files, they may be overwritten when you next upgrade.
16:07 Freddy_Enrique eythian: got it
16:20 mveron         Freddy_Enrique: Use OPACUserCSS if you want to define styles (colors) for OPAC, or use opaclayoutstylesheet to point to a CSS file on your Koha server
16:22 Freddy_Enrique mveron: Do you recommend a particular software to make changes to this file?
16:23 Freddy_Enrique Wait, my bad. Not gonna change it directly, first I'm gonna make a copy of it
16:33 Freddy_Enrique I found it here /usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs/opac-tmpl/bootstrap/css/opac.css
16:35 Freddy_Enrique if i were to change it to custom_opac.css, then I should point it using opaclayoutstylesheet indicating that name?
16:59 huginn         New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 18966: Do not deal with duplicate issue_id on checkin <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a9a500e81d5d90c7a83a785c48014fce8bc17eec> / Bug 18931 - Follow up - Typo fix in template for holds <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=45ff2ef129ea8a52ad7d08a531aad6b3e1e665f3> / Bug 18931: (followup) Tidy text <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h
17:02 Joubu          @later tell fridolin for the next release, you should pick bug 18910 as well
17:02 huginn         Joubu: The operation succeeded.
17:02 Joubu          @later tell cait for the next release, you should pick bug 18910 as well
17:02 huginn         Joubu: The operation succeeded.
17:03 Joubu          @later tell mtj for the next release, you should pick bug 18910 as well
17:03 huginn         Joubu: The operation succeeded.
17:11 huginn         New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 18910: Revert "Bug 18152 : fix unimarc label in SetMarcUnicodeFlag" <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8e0bb409aef75ac0f18a50d3a34a749f4e87da84> / Bug 18910: Revert "Bug 18152: Add tests" <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=dd60cd9635fd51073d01ec5a24340564f61cd5e7>
17:17 * cait         waves
17:17 Joubu          hi cait
17:18 cait           just got your later - cooking dinner, then checking on the bugs and meeting logs
17:23 cait           jzairo: around?
17:23 cait           just saw the email from gitlab
17:23 jzairo         cait
17:23 jzairo         I am
17:39 * LeeJ         waves to cait
17:39 Joubu          lari++
17:39 LeeJ           cait: I put in a plug at the dev meeting about the kohadocs integration into devbox :)
17:45 huginn         New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 18976: (follow-up) Fix t/db_dependent/Search/History.t cleanup <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6d8b26b01f505771fe0d359d29fff8bc963e5291> / Bug 18976: Fix t/db_dependent/Auth.t cleanup <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=99d18bf0f3f729261b6560f0dd3c5d757aba3a19> / Bug 18977: Rollback branch in t/db_dependent/SIP/Message.t <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/
17:55 cait           LeeJ++ :)
17:56 cait           I mentioned your youtube video
17:56 cait           wrote sth for the next what#s on
18:01 jenkins        Project Koha_Master_D8 build #229: ABORTED in 1 hr 3 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/229/
18:01 jenkins        * Jonathan Druart: Bug 18982: Remove data in the correct order
18:01 jenkins        * Jonathan Druart: Bug 18931: Add a "data corrupted" section on the about page - MySQL AI
18:01 jenkins        * Jonathan Druart: Bug 18931: Add items/deleteditems tables
18:01 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18982 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , selenium tests needs too many prerequisites
18:01 jenkins        * Jonathan Druart: Bug 18931 - Follow up - Typo fix in SQL statement
18:01 jenkins        * Jonathan Druart: Bug 18931: (followup) Tidy text
18:01 jenkins        * Jonathan Druart: Bug 18931 - Follow up - Typo fix in template for holds
18:01 jenkins        * Jonathan Druart: Bug 18966: Do not deal with duplicate issue_id on checkin
18:01 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18931 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Add a "data corrupted" section on the about page
18:01 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18966 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Move of checkouts - Deal with duplicate IDs at DBMS level
18:05 huginn         New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15140 (QA Followup) lowercase the search index <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9d5fa221e80aec69051ed011751fada84e5c4b61> / Bug 15140: Display $i when ind2==8 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=03f5c5b4f82d6f3eba2b4e7dd4eae7e28d53a60a> / Bug 15140: Add MARC21 776 to OPAC and staff display <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7b7ffe
19:03 LeeJ           have a good night #koha
19:24 jenkins        Project Koha_Master_D8 build #230: ABORTED in 1 hr 22 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/230/
19:24 jenkins        * Jonathan Druart: Bug 18910: Revert "Bug 18152: Add tests"
19:24 jenkins        * Jonathan Druart: Bug 18910: Revert "Bug 18152 : fix unimarc label in SetMarcUnicodeFlag"
19:24 jenkins        * Jonathan Druart: Bug 18977: Rollback branch in t/db_dependent/SIP/Message.t
19:24 jenkins        * Jonathan Druart: Bug 18976: Fix t/db_dependent/Auth.t cleanup
19:24 jenkins        * Jonathan Druart: Bug 18976: (follow-up) Fix t/db_dependent/Search/History.t cleanup
19:24 jenkins        * Jonathan Druart: Bug 15140: Add MARC21 776 to OPAC and staff display
19:24 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18910 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Regression: Z39.50 wrong conversion in Unimarc by Bug 18152
19:24 jenkins        * Jonathan Druart: Bug 15140: Display $i when ind2==8
19:24 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18152 major, P1 - high, ---, stephane.delaune, Pushed to Stable , UNIMARC bib records imported with invalid 'a' char in label pos.9
19:24 jenkins        * Jonathan Druart: Bug 15140 (QA Followup) lowercase the search index
19:24 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18977 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, lari.taskula, Pushed to Master , Rollback branch in t/db_dependent/SIP/Message.t
19:24 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18976 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, lari.taskula, Pushed to Master , Fix t/db_dependent/Auth.t cleanup
19:24 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15140 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Add MARC21 776 to OPAC and staff display
19:25 Joubu          ^ some tests do not clean up correctly and the selenium tests fail. The patron categories are created with big integer in the fields *fee
19:41 huginn         New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 17829: Execute rollingloans tests in a transaction <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5017931c5a414f3f2267127309c3b1c031aec770>
21:29 wizzyrea       hi
21:29 wahanui        hello, wizzyrea
21:40 jenkins        Project Koha_Master_D8 build #231: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 56 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/231/
21:40 jenkins        Jonathan Druart: Bug 17829: Execute rollingloans tests in a transaction
21:40 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17829 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, RESOLVED FIXED, Move GetMember to Koha::Patron