Time Nick Message 21:26 francharb thanks @wizzyrea 21:25 wizzyrea I'd check the rules and make sure they're not doing something weirdly complex 21:25 wizzyrea but on your two that have problems 21:25 wizzyrea and I don't know for sure if it's new behavior 21:24 wizzyrea I don't *think* it would end up with them being negative 21:24 wizzyrea but I did see an issue that had to do with incomplete issuing rules doing weird things applying fines 21:24 wizzyrea i havent seen that issue 21:23 francharb I was just checking if anybody else has had the same issue... 21:22 francharb I'll check the database 21:22 francharb I have no idea how to reproduce the issue 21:22 francharb the amount the patron has to pay is negative 21:21 wizzyrea francharb^ 21:20 wizzyrea what kind of problem? 21:20 francharb At least two has now issues 21:19 francharb We upgraded the most of our clients to 16.05 21:18 francharb ? 21:18 francharb Has anyone experienced issues with fines when updating to 16.05 21:18 francharb Hi 20:52 * LeeJ waves 20:52 LeeJ take care all! Might be on later :) 19:49 cait and oleonard escaped again without giving us a chance to wish him a good evening. tsk 19:48 cait have a nice evening! 19:48 oleonard Oh speaking of leaving... 19:47 LeeJ have fun! I'll be leaving shortly myself 19:47 cait laundry.. bbiab 19:46 cait LeeJ++ 19:46 cait we just closed a ton of bugs from 16.11 - so they are a bit harder to find without the bug number 19:46 cait that makes more sense now 19:45 cait good work about the headings :) 19:45 LeeJ glad I guessed right ;) 19:44 LeeJ didn't know that trick :) 19:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14048 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, CLOSED FIXED, Change RefundLostItemFeeOnReturn to be branch specific 19:39 cait bug 14048 is it 19:38 cait it will also turn up closed bugs 19:38 cait like ALL RefundLostOnReturnControl 19:38 cait good trick is to search bugzilla with ALL 19:38 cait yep i think you are right 19:30 LeeJ cait: replaced RefundLostItemFeeOnReturn with RefundLostOnReturnControl because it appears to have replaced it since I can't find a bug that said otherwise and they appear to be virtually identical in functionality..can you confirm? 19:16 cait hm? 19:11 LeeJ I noted in the framapad about replacing that fines pref completely FYI 19:11 LeeJ okay :) 19:11 cait nothing else stood out - seemed all ok 19:10 cait yeah slow brian 19:10 cait ok 19:10 cait ah 19:08 LeeJ I had actually put that in there because the other two XSLT options had mirrored statements..I figured might as well keep consistency 19:07 LeeJ I can edit it later if necessary :) 19:06 LeeJ sorry haha just got back! was afk 19:06 cait merged it in! 19:06 cait i think it's me - i am slow today 19:05 tcohen bye #koha 19:05 cait tired brain today 19:03 cait can you explain? 19:03 cait 'normally'' 19:03 cait for XSLTListDisplay you wrote 'In previous versions of Koha this was the setting that read 19:03 cait LeeJ: got a question :) 18:35 LeeJ cait: sweet :) 18:35 cait LeeJ: takinmg a look at the merge request now :) 18:35 * LeeJ waves 18:34 * cait waves 18:23 LeeJ strikethrough it is :) 18:23 LeeJ waybackmachine can't even query the page because the account was deleted 18:22 oleonard Otherwise a strikethrough is probably a good solution 18:21 oleonard Could maybe check archive.org, although it's not working for me at the moment. 18:19 LeeJ oleonard: haha then should it just be marked with a strikethrough? 18:18 oleonard LeeJ: You maintain it! 18:17 LeeJ Not sure who maintains the wiki page, but the link on the Setting Up SIP page is dead https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Setting_up_Koha_SIP_and_3M_machines 18:09 LeeJ kidclamp: it had been just master 18:09 LeeJ kidclamp: so it appears ALL of the nightly builds are failed currently.. 18:08 oleonard LeeJ: Like you said... incremental. 18:03 LeeJ I guess it would help to read the SIP2 documentation before I go asking questions ;) 18:00 LeeJ how would one go about setting up SIP2 for dev purposes? It appears 3M's SIP emulator is non-existent 17:58 LeeJ kidclamp: I appreciate it but compared to each of you I've done hardly anything! haha 17:57 kidclamp for doing quite a lot 17:57 kidclamp LeeJ++ 17:57 kidclamp LeeJ++ 17:54 * LeeJ enjoys all the incremental love 17:51 kidclamp :-) 17:51 kidclamp barton++ 17:51 barton kidclamp++ 17:26 LeeJ_documenting before I forget..kidclamp++ for working with barton to improve the unit test wiki page :) 17:04 huginn LeeJ_documenting: The operation succeeded. 17:04 LeeJ_documenting @later tell cait I submitted another merge request. This one covers the remaining 15 sysprefs added in 16.11..I'll work on the sysprefs for 17.05 between tonight and tomorrow 17:00 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 17:00 tcohen @later tell mveron ping 16:55 * LeeJ_documenting goes back to the bowels of the manual 16:54 tcohen yeah, well 16:53 * LeeJ_documenting shrugs 16:50 tcohen you should start by mentioning what page/screen who will be facing 16:50 tcohen can u explain what the checkout workflow woul dbe? 16:49 tcohen ggg: you need to provide more info, otherwise it's hard to say 16:49 ggg for customers 16:48 LeeJ_documenting well if this is for patrons (customers) do you have a self-checkout setup? Or are librarians/staff members the only ones who perform the checkout? 16:46 ggg In the users my idea is that the option to print receipt, with the format of the receipts ISSUEQSLIP 16:41 tcohen ggg: you mean like in a self-checkout box? 16:41 LeeJ_documenting ? 16:41 LeeJ_documenting ggg: what is the exact problem you're encountering? Is the print option not appearing on a patron record 16:40 ggg What to do for a user to print a loan receipt, in koha 16:39 LeeJ_documenting hmm... 16:37 ggg What to do so that a non-librarian user has the option to print a quick receipt in KOHA, thank you very much for your valuable help 15:00 reiveune bye 14:30 LeeJ_documenting cait: just letting you know! I understand fully :) 14:29 cait LeeJ_documenting: sorry, have to finish something at work now - but will later for sure! 14:25 LeeJ_documenting cait: heirarchies are not very fun to design in plain text :) 14:22 LeeJ_documenting cait: I just added a quick mockup to the bottom of the framapad if you wish to look it over when you get a chance :) 14:19 LeeJ_documenting cait: :D 14:19 * cait sends cookies to LeeJ_documenting and ashimema 14:19 LeeJ_documenting ashimema: well I don't believe we've encountered before so I don't think you could be included! 14:18 cait nah, just a real english accent is almost a bit unusual in the bigger Koha group I guess :) 14:17 cait you just talk funny *hides* 14:14 ashimema I was just thinking "I bet that 'some I associate with who are native speakers'" could easily include me ;) 14:14 cait stop laughing, go write documentation! ;) 14:14 ashimema hehe 14:13 cait at... even 14:13 * cait glares ashimema 14:11 ashimema lol 14:09 cait aw :) 14:08 LeeJ your English is impeccable compared to some I associate with who are native speakers :) 14:08 LeeJ and you, mine 14:08 cait best 14:08 cait but doing my bet 14:08 cait non native speaker writing the manual is a bit of gamble 14:08 cait feel free to always correct mine 14:07 LeeJ oh my word yes..typos and grammatical inconsistencies make me flip 14:06 cait we will get along I tihnk heh 14:06 cait but it's good to know you are a consistency freak too :) 14:05 LeeJ back to sysprefs for the moment :) 14:05 LeeJ I completely agree 14:05 cait still a lot to figure out 14:05 cait or into the manual 14:04 LeeJ mhm! 14:03 cait we can move it to the wiki later on 14:03 cait cool :) 14:01 LeeJ I'm going to add it to the bottom of the framapad so everything's in one place 14:01 cait just have to see what that is exactly... 14:01 cait but i think sticking with whatever the conersion tool put us up with is probably good for now 14:01 cait ok :) 14:00 LeeJ I guess I'll draft it up and let you take a look after I jot it down..my ideas make more sense when they're not swirling around in my head :) 14:00 cait sorry, feeling a bit slow today :) 13:59 cait the firxt you use in your document will be connected to the top level 13:59 LeeJ that's what I was getting at in a roundabout way 13:59 cait i think it depends on how you start it 13:59 cait to having som enotes about what we use for which level makes sense 13:59 LeeJ cait: I understand that...though from what I'm seeing, each indicates a specific tag 13:59 cait looking at the example 13:58 cait possible acqisitions is 1 levesl so tilde and global system preferences is hyphens for 2nd level 13:58 cait i think 13:58 cait looking at the sections paragraph here http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/user/rst/quickstart.html 13:58 cait so when they are on different levels i tmight be ok, i guess 13:58 cait hm 13:57 cait An underline-only adornment is distinct from an overline-and-underline adornment using the same character. The underline/overline must be at least as long as the title text. Be consistent, since all sections marked with the same adornment style are deemed to be at the same level: 13:57 cait To break longer text up into sections, you use section headers. These are a single line of text (one or more words) with adornment: an underline alone, or an underline and an overline together, in dashes "-----", equals "======", tildes "~~~~~~" or any of the non-alphanumeric characters = - ` : ' " ~ ^ _ * + # < > that you feel comfortable with. 13:56 cait it seems to not care 13:55 cait i thought acquisitions is top level and global prefs is under admin 13:55 LeeJ no 13:55 cait are they the same level? 13:55 LeeJ does that make more sense? 13:55 cait oh 13:55 LeeJ and Acquisitions has tilde underneath..each signifies a different header tag 13:54 LeeJ Global System Preferences has hyphens underneath it 13:54 LeeJ so let's take administration.rst as an example 13:53 cait maybe an example? 13:53 LeeJ trying to think of a clearer explanation 13:52 cait can you explain it a bit differently? 13:52 LeeJ cait: since each heading has a specific character underneath it (apostrophe, etc.) does each have its own term? Or just <h1> <h2> etc? 13:52 cait LeeJ: sorry, not getting it 13:51 * magnuse wabders off to make tacos 13:51 LeeJ cait: my earlier question to you was regarding what each "heading" in gitlab should be referred to as... 13:51 cait LeeJ: but not sure if that was your earlier question 13:50 cait LeeJ: I think it should apply for headings too 13:50 cait LeeJ: capitalization rules should apply generally - i know the manual is an awful mix right now... but we have to start in some direction 13:43 LeeJ hmm...I wonder if there's a regex/grep way of counting how many there are :P 13:42 magnuse +1 13:41 LeeJ guess I'll just file a bug and let the chips fall where they may :) 13:41 LeeJ magnuse: my concern is setting a predicent since there does not seem to be a pre-defined Koha grammar rule on periods..it could lead to hundreds/thousands of string changes potentially 13:40 magnuse hehe 13:40 LeeJ haha 13:40 magnuse "If the text that follows the bullet point is not a proper sentence, it doesn’t need to begin with a capital letter, nor end with a period." https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/punctuation/bullet-points 13:40 LeeJ magnuse "If the text that follows the bullet point is not a proper sentence, it doesn’t need to begin with a capital letter, nor end with a period." 13:38 LeeJ hmm..let's see 13:38 magnuse what is the oxford standard? 13:38 LeeJ magnuse: but now the question is...do periods get added to the others? Or remove the period altogether? I can't seem to find any reference on the wiki regarding periods..only spacing and capitalization 13:36 LeeJ you monster! 13:36 * LeeJ gasps at magnuse 13:36 * LeeJ is irrationally irritated and bothered by inconsistency 13:36 * magnuse sprinkles commas around at random 13:35 magnuse hehe, local consistency is good, then at the very least :-) 13:35 LeeJ magnuse: there's a period only in the fourth bulleted item in each syspref... 13:34 LeeJ https://gyazo.com/4f431ffffafa1a1799b43538567d82d3 13:33 magnuse periods at the end of bulleted list items? not sure abut that one 13:32 LeeJ I'll be filing a bug in a little while...going to see if there are any others while I'm at it 13:32 LeeJ magnuse: okay...and I'm assuming the same with periods? Found strings that need changing in the OPACXSLT sysprefs...they REALLY bother me 13:32 eythian ⸘tcohen‽ 13:31 tcohen hi! 13:31 magnuse ¡tcohen! 13:31 magnuse LeeJ: yeah, i think so 13:28 LeeJ Koha's grammar rule about capitalizing the first letter applies to bulleted lists as well, correct? 13:22 LeeJ magnuse: the customer always comes first in our line of work :) 13:21 magnuse LeeJ: yeah, i have thought about adding it to the wiki, just want to make my customer happy first :-) 13:21 magnuse bywater++ 13:19 LeeJ magnuse: perhaps we should document the process somewhere..I feel the process might be useful to others 13:18 LeeJ magnuse: that's great to hear! I'm glad it worked! Though you can thank ByWater as they were the ones who did it for my library and told me how it's done :) 13:17 LeeJ cait: oh! I know what I forgot to ask! Are there specific "names" for each of the headers in the documentation? Working on writing a style guide to add to the Editing the Manual wiki page but I need to hammer down terminology first :) 13:16 magnuse LeeJ: yup, it worked with your settings and the script! but my customer just wanted to generate from some marc fields, so i'll have to look into that too 13:15 LeeJ will do! This will be another large merge file instead of a bunch of tiny ones to make your life easier haha 13:15 cait not checking that email account regularly at work - let me know if you want me to review something :) 13:15 * LeeJ is a machine 13:15 cait wow 13:14 LeeJ cait: they do make sense! Should have most of the prefs done by lunch (i.e. ~2.5 hours from now :) ) 13:14 cait [off] nieces first :) 13:13 cait hope the notes make sense 13:13 cait some things need moving or contain outdated information 13:13 cait i started a general review - at the bottom of the list 13:13 cait LeeJ++ :) 13:11 LeeJ cait: Chugging through the sysprefs as we speak :) 13:10 LeeJ [off] cait: I didn't forget about you...had planned to do work on it this weekend but I babysat my one year old niece. She wouldn't let me get work done! Every time I went to sit down at the computer she told me to sit next to her! 13:09 * LeeJ waves to cait 13:06 * cait waves 13:04 LeeJ magnuse did you have a go at those authorities? haha 13:03 LeeJ haha I like it though I don't know what it says :) 13:02 magnuse so it is :-) 13:02 LeeJ is that a programmed response to saying hello to you? lol 13:02 LeeJ what in the world ? 13:01 magnuse hiya LeeJ 13:01 wahanui kamelåså 13:01 LeeJ hi magnuse! 12:55 magnuse wow, dbic makes for some pretty opaque error messages 12:21 * LeeJ waves 11:24 marcelr no talking in the library 11:15 magnuse ssshhhh.... 11:02 cait quiet today 09:35 cait :) 09:09 magnuse hiya cait and eythian 09:01 cait hi eythian 09:00 eythian hi cait 08:56 * cait waves 06:53 marcelr hi #koha 06:47 reiveune1 hello 06:45 * tcohen needs to sleep, later #koha 06:45 tcohen :-D 06:39 * magnuse waves 06:39 magnuse refresh is https://xkcd.com/1854/ 06:39 magnuse refresh? 06:34 oha o/ 06:31 tcohen1 hi 06:30 fridolin hie tehre 06:20 tcohen hi 02:51 wizzyrea hi