Time Nick Message 21:43 CJSHayward I'm observing behavior from MariaDB that I don't understand. As root, "mysql -uroot -p" prompts for a password and accepts any password. As an unprivileged user, no password I've tried is accepted. The database koha_library exists, but it's empty of tables. 20:38 cait LeeJ++ 20:38 cait bye LeeJ 20:38 LeeJ_documenting cait: and now I'm out! take care all! 20:37 cait reading! 20:37 cait :) 20:37 LeeJ_documenting cait: merge requested! 20:32 LeeJ_documenting will have another 7 sysprefs to merge in about 2 minutes :) 20:32 cait i guess that's the moment then to wish you a nice weekend! 20:32 cait :) 20:32 LeeJ_documenting cait: okay! I'll be heading out momentarily but I'll hop on when I get home :) 20:31 cait LeeJ_documenting: working on the todo list a bit :) 20:26 cait probably could be refined a bit 20:26 cait there is also a workflow now on the wiki with using a local repo 20:25 cait hm ok 20:07 cait but anyway - using mariadb is necessary and will avoid other issus 20:06 cait i tihnk mysql has a problem with the date 20:06 huginn 04Bug 10459: minor, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, RESOLVED FIXED, borrowers should have a timestamp 20:06 cait https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10459#c55 20:05 cait i ofund some references to that kind of bug 20:05 CJSHayward Let me backtrack and try again. I thought I tried to install mariadb and it was already there, but I'm not getting an 'i' in aptitude search mariadb. I owe it to myself and you to try to nail that down first. 20:04 cait CJSHayward is the one installing on Mint, I think you gave it a try ealrier? 20:04 cait mtompset: still around? 20:04 cait i thought that should have fixed it 20:04 cait hm 20:03 CJSHayward Yes; I started by installing mariadb first 20:03 cait CJSHayward: did you install mariadb instad of mysql now? 20:02 liw koha++ 20:02 liw cait++ 20:02 CJSHayward I started over on a previously Koha-free VM and got a familiar error: http://paste.koha-community.org/477?tx=on&submit=Format+it%21 20:02 cait but i think it will be eaiser in a bit 20:02 liw LeeJ_documenting++ 20:02 cait yeah still struggling there a little too 20:02 LeeJ_documenting cait: once I get the format down I can fly through tasks :) 20:01 cait alright :) 20:01 LeeJ_documenting cait: I think that might be a good idea because I'll probably be done with the sysprefs by tomorrow :) 20:01 cait shoud i start filling up the to do list some more? :) 20:01 cait ok! 20:00 LeeJ_documenting cait: you'll have a much larger merge coming your way in a few minutes :) 19:53 cait https://gitlab.com/koha-community-devs-users/kohadocs 19:52 cait yes 19:46 tcohen kohadocs? 19:44 cait it has all it needs 19:44 cait tcohen: check the notes on the startpage on gitlab 19:28 tcohen only python sphynx? 19:27 tcohen cait: what is needed for kohadocs on kohadevbox? 19:22 LeeJ_documenting mtompset all good! 19:22 mtompset LeeJ_documenting: Sorry, wasn't paying attention. Too busy with other things. 19:14 cait it was after LettersLog :) 19:14 cait yep :) 19:10 LeeJ_documenting yay for working devboxes! haha 19:09 cait ooh, looking like it's back alive 19:06 cait RenewalLog - is that appearing after issuelog or where? 19:06 cait as my kohadevbox is on strike 19:00 cait i tried it last night for the first time - it's nice 19:00 LeeJ_documenting that's cool 19:00 LeeJ_documenting huh 19:00 cait or make epub (very exciting) 18:59 cait and then run make html :) 18:59 cait install sphinx 18:59 LeeJ_documenting I have devbox myself :) 18:59 cait clone the rpeo 18:59 cait it's really quite easy 18:59 cait then you can test as much as you want :) 18:59 cait if you have a devbox or linux i recommend following the steps on the start page of the repo for adding your own repo 18:59 * LeeJ_documenting slinks away to work more 18:58 cait [off] :) 18:58 LeeJ_documenting [off] cait: it's so beautiful :') 18:57 cait [off] http://librarygeekgirl.de/pics/Selection_003.png 18:55 LeeJ_documenting this will probably be the rest of my night after work! haha 18:55 LeeJ_documenting nice :) 18:54 cait looking good 18:54 LeeJ_documenting I believe the last time I had that problem I halted then upped and it worked 18:53 cait hm still trouble with the kohadevbox :( 18:52 LeeJ_documenting okay 18:51 cait will chekc in a moment 18:51 LeeJ_documenting how does it look? 18:51 LeeJ_documenting yay! 18:50 cait merging now :) 18:48 LeeJ_documenting mtompset may suggest otherwise 18:48 LeeJ_documenting might have to run a provision perhaps 18:47 LeeJ_documenting I'd say do the merge since it's already submitted and I'll just include it 18:47 cait the configured ("config.vm.boot_timeout" value) time period. 18:47 cait Vagrant was unable to communicate with the guest machine within 18:47 cait Timed out while waiting for the machine to boot. This means that 18:47 cait my kohadevbox is not ocming up 18:47 cait has someone seen this before? 18:47 cait do you want to add it right away? or have me merge it first? 18:47 cait ok 18:46 LeeJ_documenting cait: just realized I left extra spacing before the section..but I can clean that up on the next request :) 18:42 LeeJ_documenting cait: merge request sent :) 18:41 LeeJ_documenting let me know if you need help testing and I'll do what I can :) 18:40 cait will see if that makes sense/works soon i hope :) 18:39 cait so just trying to do it with a push to your branch and then the web interface for now 18:39 cait it seems you might have to use an extra tool to make it possible to create a merge request from command line 18:39 LeeJ_documenting I love poking around with stuff so I'm curious how that would work :) 18:37 cait i am trying to figure out a workflow using command line... not sure how far i will get 18:37 cait wow! cool 18:37 LeeJ_documenting cait: almost done with the article requests sysprefs :) 18:36 LeeJ_documenting rangi++ for being a force of nature :D 18:36 LeeJ_documenting what HASN'T rangi done?! 18:31 cait rangi++ 18:31 cait rangi## 18:31 cait i am just trying to write everything down 18:30 cait rangi came up with most of it, including the giltlab workflow 18:30 cait but you can run stuff by here always of course :) 18:30 LeeJ_documenting close enough! :D 18:30 cait nah not really :) 18:30 LeeJ_documenting cait: okay! I just like to run stuff by you because you're the boss :) haha 18:29 cait LeeJ_documenting: please feel free to change/fix the wiki page too when you want to add something 18:27 cait not sure what else to add right now 18:27 cait so yep, like the idea 18:27 cait like use geneder neutral pronouns, capitalization 18:27 cait i have tried to add some sections to the wiki page 18:27 cait i don't have a complete overview yet (wonder if i will ever) 18:26 cait i am not sure if there is somehtin gin the manual about it 18:26 LeeJ_documenting cait: suggestion..perhaps we should consider creating a "Documentation on how to document" (i.e. a style guide) in the future so everyone can follow the same format. Unless something like that is already made which would make me oblivious :) 18:18 cait not sure if command line gitlab merge is possible... have to research 18:18 cait or at least try to 18:18 cait and also close all the gaps 18:18 cait yep 18:18 talljoy i excited to get more eyes on it. more voices too 18:17 cait talljoy: will try to figure out a command line base dworkflow too for those who prefer that 18:16 cait come and grab some! we are going to run out soon! 18:16 cait this week's menu is updating system preferences 18:16 cait hehe yes, there is a taiga task too and the framamad with ideas about what needs updating 18:16 talljoy offer cookies! 18:16 cait have to lure them in 18:16 cait it's supposed to sound easy :P 18:16 LeeJ_documenting cait: don't forget to mention about that kanban page with the framapad! ;) 18:16 talljoy i'm happy to find something to update and test it out. 18:15 talljoy very nice. your gitlab steps sound so easy. i'm sure i made it way more complicated when i did it. heh 18:12 cait (the instructions) but the manual too 18:12 cait talljoy: i know we are still missing stuff, but hope to grow it 18:10 talljoy ha 18:10 LeeJ talljoy vroom vroom! :D 18:10 talljoy i can test drive! 18:09 cait looking for feedback and 'test drivers' 18:09 cait talljoy: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Editing_the_Koha_Manual i wrote up some instructions here 18:09 eythian mtompset: not related at all, except it was a very convenient way to install one and hook it up to my backup system in a way that I can reproduce. 18:09 talljoy i have done some. i had been trying to get the gitlab thing working 18:08 cait someone mentioned you might be interested in manual writing :) 18:06 talljoy what's up? 18:05 talljoy yup 18:05 cait talljoy: around? 18:05 cait LeeJ: gogogo :) 18:05 mtompset eythian: nextcloud server? Not related to Koha? Or would this be related to kohadevbox issue 200? 18:04 cait LeeJ: I was thiking about writing the name - but both is fine with me! 18:00 eythian A good portion of which was the semi manual process of sorting out letsencrypt. The other was the playbook not supporting stretch until I figured how to fix and upstream that. 17:59 eythian Building from scratch a new nextcloud server with web and db hooked up was about an hour or so. 17:58 * eythian has started appreciating ansible playbooks more and more for deploying complex software. 17:56 mtompset Because Xenial doesn't install an MTA by default either. 17:56 mtompset Need to add in comment about installing MTA and perhaps a wiki page that points to https://wiki.debian.org/GmailAndExim4 and https://myaccount.google.com/apppasswords 17:54 mtompset https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages 17:54 mtompset Nope... ubuntu packages? 17:54 wahanui packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian 17:54 mtompset packages? 17:53 LeeJ mtompset link? 17:53 mtompset Had to follow the instructions closely to make sure others could succeed. 17:52 mtompset That was my first attempt at it with lynx. 17:50 oleonard Excellent 17:49 mtompset Wow! Onboarding worked nicely in lynx, oleonard! 17:43 LeeJ cait: perhaps on the framapad it might be a good idea for us to mark next to the syspref something like (in progress) while we work on it so that we don't dupe efforts? 17:41 LeeJ_bbs cait: since there aren't many bugs I can really work on currently (can't work on ES bugs until the repo gets fixed) I think I'll take a week or so and hammer out some documentation 17:40 LeeJ_bbs [off] I'm thankful my skillset is like a Swiss Army Knife so I can fill in where I'm needed most :) 17:35 mtompset Doing a test run first. 17:35 mtompset tweaking. 17:35 mtompset cait: not to mention, I'm tweaked the Ubuntu instructions right now so people install mariadb. 17:28 mtompset Sadly, as a programmer, I can assure you my documentation skills are not the calibre that is needed. 17:28 cait i have lots of sysprefs to document heh 17:27 cait mtompset: do you want to hav ea go at manual writing? :) 17:26 mtompset cait: True! :) 17:25 cait we can work on the documentation part :) 17:21 mtompset LeeJ_bbs: syspref everything! ;) I agree... LOTS of system preferences, and frequently they interact and sometimes the interaction isn't always documented well. 17:15 * LeeJ gets intimidated sometimes with the number of sysprefs available 17:15 LeeJ the more you know haha 17:15 LeeJ oooh 17:15 cait for performance reasons 17:15 cait that decides if it's done on checkout or should be scheduled by a cronjob 17:15 cait there is apref 17:13 LeeJ oleonard I think I figured out the totalissues mystery..it appears that /misc/cronjobs/update_totalissues.pl is a manual cronjob..it appears this is what populates that biblioitems.totalissues value :) 17:11 cait :) 17:09 LeeJ :D 17:09 cait *high five* 17:07 * LeeJ high fives cait 17:07 LeeJ we got this! 17:07 cait was not sure when nengard stopped 17:06 cait so we might not be missing as many as i thought initially, that's good too 17:06 cait thx! 17:06 LeeJ well..started to mark :P 17:06 LeeJ cait: I took the liberty of marking "(added)" next to each syspref in the framapad to indicate which prefs in the list are already on master 17:04 cait thx for the support liw! 17:04 cait sounds awesome! 17:03 liw I recomment manual writing to everyone. It's how I got rich and famous. </motivational-speech> 17:03 LeeJ [off] cait: I have to babysit my niece all weekend so I might hop on and hammer out some commits :) 17:01 LeeJ [off] that's so cool seeing changes like that...I love the way it prints out :) 17:01 cait so who else wants to do some manual writing? :) 17:01 LeeJ [off] aww...that didn't work :P haha 17:01 cait [off] level up! 17:00 LeeJ [off] /me 's Koha level increased by 1 17:00 cait [off] the yellow is just the highlighting from my search 17:00 LeeJ [off] cait: oooh 16:58 LeeJ oleonard: so apparently there's a totalissues cron job? 16:58 cait [off] http://librarygeekgirl.de/pics/Selection_002.png < LeeJ 16:57 LeeJ I wonder why totalissues isn't accurate though... 16:54 oleonard That'd work if I could also get a count of the grouped titles and a count of their items 16:52 LeeJ if my thinking is correct, that should group nicely 16:51 LeeJ meant to say "GROUP BY biblio.title" 16:51 LeeJ haha my bad..I got my lines mixed up! 16:50 oleonard That's not the order we need 16:49 LeeJ oleonard your report looks good to me but can I make a suggestion for readability? It might be useful to add "ORDER BY count DESC" to group everything nicely :) 16:47 cait but my screenshot upload thing is broken... have to fix that first 16:47 cait hm wanted to send you a screenshot of your addition in the generated entry 16:47 cait [off] so i found the perfect 'template' ;) 16:46 LeeJ [off] cait: haha well I actually write documentation regularly here at work! I'm responsible for a complex machine here in the library so I have to translate technical documentation to laymens for the librarians to follow the workflow so I'm used to writing technical documentation :) 16:44 cait i could use 20 more manual writers :) 16:43 cait can we clone you? heh 16:43 cait :) 16:41 LeeJ happy to be around and be involved :) 16:40 cait but i hope we can get things moving and we will keep adding to it 16:40 cait I am still learning myself about the manual process 16:40 cait happy to have you around :) 16:39 LeeJ cait: my pleasure! I love to learn :) 16:39 cait thx for test driving :) 16:39 cait didn't do much really 16:39 LeeJ cait++ for being an awesome documentation teacher :) 16:38 cait my favourite person today - LeeJ :D 16:38 * LeeJ waves to cait 16:38 * cait waves 16:36 pastebot "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Authors and titles by collection code" (6 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/476 16:33 LeeJ oleonard I was working on a report against the statistics table that might work if your solution doesn't 16:32 * oleonard got something which seems to work 16:27 LeeJ oleonard I'll try something and see if it works 16:27 LeeJ hmm... 16:23 oleonard Given a report which returns a list of items, is there an efficient way to include a total issue count for each item? Without crushing MySQL? 16:21 oleonard Hm I guess not in our case, at least, since it's empty for all our records 16:17 oleonard Is biblioitems.totalissues considered to be accurate? 15:46 mtompset no lynx necessary, did web install in firefox 15:45 mtompset use firefox on the mintbox. 15:45 mtompset tweak the hosts file as described. 15:45 mtompset no port configuration 15:45 mtompset no mysql server tweak. 15:44 mtompset obviously ignore the mysql-server step. 15:44 mtompset Basically just followed https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages 15:44 mtompset ubuntu install? 15:44 mtompset ubuntu package instructions? 15:43 wahanui ubuntu instructions are at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Ubuntu 15:43 mtompset ubuntu instructions? 15:43 mtompset Key steps being install and configure the mailer (exim4) and mariadb-server BEFORE installing koha-common. 15:42 LeeJ_lunch nice! 15:42 mtompset I successfully installed Koha on Linux Mint 18. 15:41 mtompset Just when I was going to tell him how he installed it wrong. 15:41 mtompset Oh shucks! 15:32 tcohen ok <.< 15:32 mtompset I'll let you try to tweak it nicer, so you understand and/or improve it. :) 15:32 mtompset can't remember what exactly. 15:32 mtompset there was a ordering issue. 15:31 mtompset because if the install fails, the install as a whole fails. 15:31 mtompset can't. 15:31 mtompset feel free to tweak it cleaner. 15:31 tcohen so you need to move the apt install ansible outside the if 15:31 mtompset feel to tweak it cleaner. 15:31 mtompset Right 15:31 tcohen exactly 15:30 tcohen i assume you are adding that only because stretch contains a new enough ansible 15:30 mtompset I'm not familiar with ansible. The idea was install the default repo version and upgrade it if it is too low. 15:30 tcohen if (available ansible < 2.1) { add special repo } ; install ansible 15:29 tcohen so it should be like 15:29 tcohen you want to make adding the repo conditional to currently available 15:29 tcohen is that it looks like 15:29 tcohen mtompset, what I meant about the if 15:27 mtompset and yes, I don't like the if myself either, but I wanted something that worked. 15:27 mtompset tcohen: I agree it will eventually get fixed, but even once fixed, the patch shouldn't break. 15:25 CJSHayward How do you set MariaDB's permissions so an unprivileged e.g "mysql -uroot -p" will work with the password set with SET PASSWORD? 15:24 tcohen but overall, it looks good to me 15:24 tcohen and the problem with JSON::Validator should be fixed by pushing the OpenAPI bug 15:24 tcohen I don't like the IF [ANSIBLE > 2.1] { something } else { nothing } 15:23 tcohen will try in a couple hours at home 15:23 tcohen I didn't manage to test your PR because of debian's local mirror issues 15:23 tcohen heading to the doctor 15:23 mtompset You still around? 15:22 huginn mtompset: tcohen was last seen in #koha 2 hours, 2 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <tcohen> morning 15:22 mtompset @seen tcohen 15:10 cait bbl 15:10 cait LeeJ++ thx a lot! 15:09 reiveune bye 15:04 mtompset Meeting done. 15:01 cait once you get it down it should be a quick process 15:01 cait yep all happens automatically 14:56 LeeJ_testing answered my own question :) 14:53 LeeJ_testing so will the merge request close automatically when it's done? 14:52 cait it's still merging, but looking good 14:52 cait it's pretty cool 14:52 cait but if you want to see you can followthe instructions on the gitlab start page for the project 14:52 LeeJ_testing no worries! 14:52 cait it will not show up in the manual immedaitely 14:51 LeeJ_testing yay!! 14:51 cait merging 14:51 cait reads well! 14:51 LeeJ_testing I only added one syspref to make sure I had the procedure right before working on larger ones :) 14:50 LeeJ_testing yayyy!!! 14:50 cait just taking a look at your change now 14:50 cait ready to be merged... good sign! 14:50 cait ok one sec 14:49 LeeJ_testing cait: requested! 14:47 LeeJ_testing cait: I am now :) 14:46 cait before you startt editing 14:45 cait make sure that the branch on top is master 14:45 cait when you are here https://gitlab.com/koha-community-devs-users/kohadocs 14:45 cait hm sorry, let me check something 14:45 LeeJ_testing cait: starting from scratch then :) 14:45 cait looks better now but still says tehre is a merge conflict 14:44 cait @ldjamison changed target branch from manual16.11.x to master less than a minute ago 14:44 cait or not sure... 14:44 cait i think another mistake i am sorry 14:44 cait ok 14:44 cait aaah 14:44 cait seeing it! 14:43 cait ok 14:43 LeeJ_testing cait: okay! Let's try this again! LOL 14:32 cait it should preselect that, so you should not have to change anything 14:32 cait yes master 14:32 LeeJ_testing cait: I think I answered my own question..since it clearly lists in the wiki that 17.05 and back are a different format :) 14:28 LeeJ_testing so just so I'm sure to understand it correctly, my merge should have been to the master branch as the target yes? 14:25 drojf have a nice weekend #koha 14:25 cait should note to leave master on the notes 14:25 LeeJ_testing cait: nevermind! Found it! when you're on the page for the merge request, clicking "Edit" lets you change the target 14:25 cait sorry! 14:24 LeeJ_testing cait: can't seem to find where it allows me to change it in the merge request..I'll just close the request and start over...I copied my change to Notepad anyway :) 14:23 LeeJ_testing sure..I'll poke around 14:23 cait i am not seeing how to do it right now in the gitlab interface 14:23 cait can you try if you can change it from your side? 14:23 LeeJ_testing that would definitely be a problem! haha 14:22 LeeJ_testing whoops! 14:22 LeeJ_testing ooooh 14:22 cait where it shoudl say master 14:22 cait it says manual16.11.x for me 14:22 cait we are putting everything in master now 14:21 LeeJ_testing I believed I did.. 14:21 cait hm let me see if we can try again 14:21 cait you want to leave master 14:21 LeeJ_testing cait: I was following the framapad and it says that the syspref was added in 16.11..so that's what I tried to do :( 14:19 cait not changing the right branch 14:19 cait you switched to 16.11 i think 14:19 cait oh 14:19 LeeJ_testing cait: I think I made an oopsie..got an email that my pipeline has failed 14:17 CJSHayward I'm having a MariaDB difficulty. "mysql -uroot -p" as root works with any password. No password is accepted, even after I tried to set one specific password, from the command line. What can I do so "mysql -uroot -p" will work with the set password from the command line? 14:15 LeeJ_testing cait: I'm excited! 14:15 LeeJ_testing drojf: I heard about that before! 14:15 cait will check in a moment! 14:15 LeeJ_testing cait: merge request submittied! Hopefully I did it right! 14:13 oleonard Cha-ching! 14:12 drojf https://stackoverflow.blog/2017/06/15/developers-use-spaces-make-money-use-tabs/ 14:12 cait yay :) 14:12 LeeJ_testing cait: okay! I'm about to commit my first change! :) 14:09 oleonard Because after all we're not cave people. 14:09 cait i'd stick with spaces 14:09 cait i don't know 14:09 cait hm good question 14:09 LeeJ_testing cait: does spacing vs. tabs matter? 14:00 CJSHayward Hello; I wanted to give an update. I've replaced my MySQL installation with MariaDB, and have an unaltered database <config> section (besides changing the username and password). It's reporting denied access: but I can log in to the command line server with "mysql -uroot -p" without incident. 13:59 pastebot "CJSHayward" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Permissioning error after migrating to MariaDB" (6 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/475 13:58 LeeJ I figured..just wanted to check! :) 13:57 cait totally different format 13:57 cait not right now now 13:56 LeeJ cait: am I correct that changes won't carry over from say 16.11 to 17.05's documentation? 13:56 wahanui Look at me! I'm a bot! Beep beep! Boop boop! 13:56 eythian wahanui: be wahanui 13:55 LeeJ cait: mhm! Trying some documentation..had to find prefs that weren't already included! :) 13:54 cait LeeJ: still alive? 13:46 mtompset oooo.... 49 seconds. 13:45 oleonard If wahanui could tell us something about himself would that make him sentient? 13:45 mtompset eythian: You didn't programme the bot to say it isn't a kidnapper? ;) 13:45 mtompset wahanui is? 13:45 wahanui yes, mtompset? 13:45 mtompset wahanui? 13:43 * oleonard remains suspicious 13:43 eythian wahanui is not a kidnapper, oleonard. 13:42 oleonard You sure don't. 13:42 wahanui oleonard, I didn't have anything matching your family 13:42 oleonard wahanui: Forget your family 13:42 cait but ... not sure if that is ethically correct :) 13:42 cait you could make wahanui forget with forget <keyword> 13:41 cait LeeJ: it's trained to do that 13:40 oleonard cait: wahanui said a thing 13:38 cait what happened? 13:37 LeeJ why does that do that every time...I can't help I use that word often lol 13:37 wahanui i think interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 13:37 LeeJ interesting! 13:36 cait (noticed yesterday) 13:36 cait but haven't looked inside yet :) 13:36 cait i noticed there actually is a chapter about contributing to it 13:36 cait might be good for the manual later 13:36 cait ah, just multiple screens 13:35 cait it might be, just not sure where we can store it 13:35 LeeJ cait: like this! https://gyazo.com/f4468294356c2c78b8ae5dcec413efc3 13:35 LeeJ cait: if you want, I can screen capture for everything if it would be helpful 13:34 LeeJ aye aye 13:34 * LeeJ salutes 13:34 cait :) 13:34 cait Fork! 13:34 LeeJ cait: https://gyazo.com/286fa7bba9b48aeb49bb22838a3681e1 13:32 LeeJ certainly! 13:32 LeeJ just need to reinstall gyazo :) 13:32 cait you want a fork, but I want to upate the wiki so it's more clear 13:31 cait it did only look like that the first time and then I couldn't get back there 13:31 LeeJ sure..one moment :) 13:31 cait hm can you screenshot? 13:31 LeeJ cait: when I clicked Edit it said "You're not allowed to edit files in this project directly. Please fork this project, make your changes there, and submit a merge request." Is this correct and I should make a fork? 13:30 cait also if you spot mistakes on the wiki page etc 13:29 mtompset cait: Had that last night here. 13:29 cait i can merge your change, just let me know - or if there are any questions 13:29 cait LeeJ: thiking the same :) 13:29 cait eythian: i'd like a good thunderstorm here.... 13:28 oleonard Okay so we have a little bit of weather here: http://zivotdesign.com/p/#s/14982244930133 13:28 LeeJ cait: so this looks like it's going to be fun once I get used to the syntax and workflow 13:27 eythian cait: we had it come straight through. We stood at the window watching lightning bolts come down and shake the windows. 13:27 LeeJ mtompset oooooh sounds like an exciting day :) 13:27 mtompset Glad I have torrent download link, LeeJ. Mint 18 had issues,and I had to restart the torrent download... :) 13:27 eythian mtompset: yeah, in NZ I was used to it being 18°. Now I'm feeling chilly if I have my heating set below 22. 13:26 cait eythian: north of germany got a lot of thunderstorms... but none here 13:26 mtompset Climate change! ;) 13:26 mtompset I find it funny. I remember when room temperature was 20, and now it is supposedly 22. 13:25 LeeJ some would consider that even worse haha 13:25 LeeJ eythian: nope! USA haha 13:25 * eythian assumes LeeJ is in Belize. 13:23 * LeeJ will be able to do Farenheit to Celsius conversions in his head someday.. 13:23 eythian cait: it's a balmy 20° here. I think it's still recovering after yesterday's massive thunderstorm. 13:22 mtompset Greetings, tcohen 13:22 magnuse have a nice weekend, #koha! 13:22 mtompset [off] LeeJ sweet! 13:20 * LeeJ waves to tcohen 13:20 tcohen morning 13:18 LeeJ [off] must have been all those svchost processes mooching off my connection :P 13:18 LeeJ [off] mtompset: so after I finished re-installing Windows on the work desktop yesterday now I'm at 15ms ping and 9 Mbps download AND upload :) 13:16 * mtompset wishes he had a faster internet connection. 13:16 LeeJ cait: looking through the gitlab now :) 13:16 * mtompset shouts, "Johnny 5 is alive!" 13:16 oleonard In the realm of no weather temperature has no meaning. Your skin crawls with the craving for input 13:16 * LeeJ bows to oleonard as he sits on his curly bracket-shaped throne 13:15 mtompset featureless voids have no temperature. :P 13:15 mtompset -- thinks I need more caffeine. 13:15 LeeJ mtompset but that's the world that oleonard lives in all the time isn't it? 13:14 mtompset 23 is the perfect temperature. 13:14 mtompset That's still too hot for my likely. 13:14 LeeJ it's pleasant here for the first time in a few days..been mostly around 26-32˚C this week (I converted it to celsius to be metric-friendly :) 13:13 mtompset oleonard: I'm sorry you have been sucked into the realm of pixels, where only CSS rules supreme. ;) 13:12 oleonard When I look at the sky I see a featureless void that is neither light nor dark 13:12 mtompset drojf: Does that mean it is both hot and cold until we actually observe it? ;) 13:12 drojf there is no weather without a weather bot 13:11 cait 32 °C 13:11 cait if the weather tool would still work... i could show you all that it's really too hot to think here... 13:08 cait :) 13:08 LeeJ [off] will make for some great inside jokes in the future though 13:08 cait [off] that comment from me is going to look odd in the logs... 13:07 LeeJ [off] cait: yes usually..or some sort of patronage 13:07 cait hehe 13:07 cait should have used [off] 13:07 cait superpowers? 13:07 cait don't they all have a main 'topic'? 13:07 * cait wonders what kind of deity she is 13:06 mtompset [off] because people think we are IRC Koha dieties with instant answers. :( 13:05 LeeJ [off] you are correct 13:05 oleonard [off] So far what I see is someone asks a question, takes 5-10 minutes to respond to questions, and then leaves 13:04 LeeJ we were talking about 18836 13:04 LeeJ you're not missing much lol 13:04 * LeeJ waves to oleonard 13:03 * oleonard hasn't kept up with the entire conversation 13:03 LeeJ I see that KohaCon's Hackfest went well last night..quite a few sign offs and such :) 13:03 mtompset But oleonard -- He's running Virtual Box. Hardware compatibility isn't an issue. 13:03 oleonard (not relevant if we're talking about a Koha server running Mint of course) 13:02 oleonard Ubuntu's inclusion of non-free stuff solves a lot of hardware compatibility problems, significant if people are talking about, for instance, laptops for development 13:02 mtompset But I have an idea. 13:02 mtompset Probably. 13:01 drojf well, kind of :P 13:01 mtompset (from what he seems to say) 13:01 drojf problem solved 13:01 mtompset It does. 13:01 drojf mint probably has mysql 5.7 13:01 mtompset It's less likely to fail, and only frowned on because a server shouldn't be running a GUI. 13:01 LeeJ amateurs lol 13:01 mtompset I don't get why people aren't using Debian and then choosing a GUI. 13:01 LeeJ mtompset: stuff like that is not hard to find :) 13:00 mtompset LeeJ: You have to try the stupid stuff people do to see why it is stupid. 13:00 LeeJ mtompset: I'm not surprised you considered it a challenge haha 12:59 mtompset BTW, he hadn't mentioned Mint 18 yesterday. 12:59 * mtompset starts up a torrent download of Mint 18. 12:57 cait ruling out it's a but, we can suggest t move onto the mailing list 12:56 LeeJ nor have I 12:56 mtompset I've never tried a Mint install. 12:56 mtompset Mint 18?! 12:55 mtompset Ah, the one I didn't want to get sucked into for free. :) 12:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18836 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Patron login is erroring out after failing to find table 12:53 cait bug 18836 12:51 cait looking 12:51 mtompset bug number? 12:51 cait if you know what's wrong - maybe comment? 12:51 cait s 12:51 cait there is an open bug about his intallation problem 12:51 mtompset Why do you think I visit the koha on ubuntu packages page each release? 12:50 LeeJ they are unfortunately of the "set it and forget it" mentality 12:50 mtompset And then users try really dumb stuff. 12:50 mtompset They NEVER update. 12:50 mtompset This is why I do not like blogs with instructions. 12:50 LeeJ but of course! :P 12:49 mtompset But they found some google instruction on how to do it, and it doesn't work. :P 12:49 LeeJ O.O 12:49 mtompset no no.. worse, trying to do a 17.05 tarball install on Ubuntu 12.04 ;) 12:49 mtompset no no.. worse, trying to do a 17.05 install on Ubuntu 12.04 ;) 12:49 * LeeJ cringes at the thought of tarball 12:48 mtompset No no... wackying is trying to do a tarball installation under Debian. 12:48 LeeJ mtompset: this was the log from trying to install on Mint http://paste.koha-community.org/474 it's unusual 12:48 magnuse "Normal stupid stuff libraries would do" = marc, sip2, z39.50, iso2709 = wacky 12:47 mtompset and if there's a failure, then you might end up with the db still existing, the user still existing, etc. 12:47 LeeJ mtompset: CSJHayward had been in here and asked about it. Actually I think you would find one of his tests interesting 12:47 mtompset Not creative... Normal stupid stuff libraries would do. 12:46 LeeJ mtompset: perhaps not wacky..just creative :) 12:46 mtompset It leaves all those /var/lock log lib ... koha directories lying around sometimes. 12:46 LeeJ mtompset: I figured if anyone would have tried wacky scenarios it would be you :) 12:46 magnuse got it :-) 12:45 LeeJ magnuse: well there's your answer on the purge command :) 12:45 cait unless it's really totally clear what it oes :) 12:45 mtompset LeeJ: Nope. Not going to try, because -- I know it fails. :) 12:45 LeeJ cait: okay! I'm excited because I've been curious about the documentation generation :) 12:45 cait to add more value 12:45 cait i think the documentation should go a bit beyond the mere description as in the gui 12:45 mtompset I just got your @later. 12:44 cait LeeJ: whatever you want and think is usefulr really 12:44 LeeJ mtompset: speak of the devil :) 12:44 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 12:44 LeeJ cait: I'll test out the documentation shortly..so for the System Preferences it's just the usual format listing the pref and its options right? 12:43 cait heh 12:42 huginn LeeJ: The operation succeeded. 12:42 LeeJ @later tell mtompset here's a challenge for you..install Koha then try to remove it with apt without touching the rest of the system :) something like "sudo apt-get purge koha-common" 12:41 LeeJ I know just the person who would love to test that command to see how well it works lol 12:40 LeeJ that always does that lol 12:40 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 12:40 LeeJ interesting.. 12:39 magnuse something like "sudo apt-get purge koha-common" 12:39 LeeJ it's actually a good question I think 12:39 magnuse use apt-get to uninstall 12:39 * magnuse neither 12:38 magnuse koha-remove removes one instance 12:38 cait i am not sure how clean you can get it 12:38 cait hm just the instance i think 12:38 LeeJ does koha-remove do that? Or just the specific instance? 12:38 LeeJ cait and magnuse...CJSHayward asked about how to purge all traces of a Koha installation 12:37 * magnuse tries to remember how to make sure zebra is up and running on a dev install 12:37 LeeJ cait: I got your message...and yes of course :) 12:37 cait LeeJ: can I interest you in signing up for a manuel editing test drive? :) 12:37 * magnuse waves to cait and LeeJ 12:37 * cait waves to LeeJ 12:37 * LeeJ waves to cait 12:37 LeeJ hmm...well the command "koha-remove" is supposed to remove an instance of Koha. I am not sure if it does or does not remove all traces 12:36 cait sorry, my laptop died while I was afk - if you sent me a message and got no answer please resent 12:35 CJSHayward I'd like to try to wipe all traces of Koha and reinstall from a fresh start besides package repository configuration, and beginning from installing the koha-common package. Does this make sense, and if so, what should I do to purge all traces of the installation? 12:33 LeeJ what in the world... 12:30 CJSHayward Posted an earful of error messages from aptitude trying to configure koha-common: http://paste.koha-community.org/474 12:08 * LeeJ waves 12:05 CJSHayward Thanks so much! 12:05 huginn CJSHayward: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready 12:05 CJSHayward @drojf Mint VM (under VirtualBox on OSX) 11:51 drojf CJSHayward: what is your OS? 11:50 CJSHayward I started a fresh install to capture errors; I got http://paste.koha-community.org/473 at practically the beginning of webmin interface setup. 11:43 eythian heh, that's a useless error message, someone needs to improve the diagnostics on that... 11:42 CJSHayward eythian: I've gotten a couple of errors; the one I'm working onnow is at http://paste.koha-community.org/472?tx=on&submit=Format+it%21 11:41 eythian CJSHayward: you'll have to pastebin your issues so people can check :) 11:40 CJSHayward Should I file a bug, or is this an issue people are aware of. 11:40 CJSHayward Not sure if my last message got eaten by a bug. I've run an "aptitude update; aptitude upgrade" after the dot release was announced. I'm running into database issues both trying to upgrade an (incomplete) system I was trying to finish, and a fresh installation from scratch. 11:34 oleonard Hi all 11:15 drojf looks like rangi worked on libtest-dbix-class-perl in the past but it is deleted on alioth 11:14 drojf is the qa team busy and/or too small? i thought we had quite a few people 11:11 magnuse come on, qa-team, fill the PQA queue while he is gone! 11:11 huginn magnuse: Joubu was last seen in #koha 1 day, 13 hours, 41 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: * Joubu is afk for ~10days, take care #koha 11:11 magnuse @seen Joubu 11:08 drojf mysql appears to be running 11:07 drojf and DBI connect('database=koha;host=localhost;port=3306','kohaadmin',...) failed: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) at /usr/share/perl5/DBIx/Class/Storage/DBI.pm line 1487. 11:07 drojf missing Test/DBIx/Class.pm 11:05 drojf the other, not sure, i just saw that when building 17.05.01 too 11:05 drojf i think one is a missing dep 11:05 ashimema can't help so much there ;) 11:05 ashimema ah.. your packages 11:05 * ashimema is knee deep in code right now 11:04 drojf ashimema: i mean my automated packages 11:04 ashimema if atheia doesn't get to it I'll take a look 11:04 ashimema think Joubu has just gone on hols 11:04 * ashimema will ask atheia to take a look when he gets a moment 11:03 drojf "someone" should check what is with the failing nightly master 10:57 magnuse very cautious :-) 10:56 drojf maybe .02 in production if it works for them 10:56 drojf i have one that needs new stuff, they'll get a 01 to test their workflows now 10:54 drojf unless a library is waiting for new features, i would not rush it. since we had the problems with hourly loans i am cautious. before i considered .1 or .2 ok 10:54 magnuse but yeah, might be better to put it off until after my holiday in july 10:54 magnuse most of my libraries are small and use only the core functionality 10:54 * magnuse has upgraded to .01 for most of the majoer releases 10:52 fridolin whe usually start with release .05 or .06 10:52 fridolin and also because of translation 10:52 fridolin I'd say wait a bit 10:52 fridolin magnuse: gloups, i cant be sure 10:51 drojf that's for the bug reports to decide ;) 10:50 magnuse the big question then: do we consider 17.05.01 stable enough for use in production? 10:49 magnuse drojf++ 10:49 fridolin yop super 10:42 drojf package done too 10:42 drojf fridolin++ 10:20 magnuse too bad koha.dk isn't used for koha stuff any longer 10:08 fridolin thanks 10:05 magnuse fridolin++ 09:44 cait fridolin++ 09:15 fridolin yep 09:15 cait maybe jsut leave it out and leave her a later? 09:15 cait to check 09:15 cait i don't have my password 09:14 cait hm liz i think 09:14 fridolin who can create it ? 09:14 fridolin but there is no release > 17.05 category 09:14 cait cool :) 09:13 fridolin im writing release post on WP 09:13 fridolin cait: hie 08:46 cait looking for 'edit the manual' testers/authors - please let me know if you have time to try it 08:41 Infra_3600 koha koha scheibu scheibu 08:17 * cait waves 08:14 Tylathos Hey #koha 07:37 drojf ok then my testing is done ;) 07:36 cait one line fix i think 07:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18741 critical, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Stable , Web installer does not load default data 07:36 cait bug 18741 07:36 drojf ok 07:36 drojf ah 07:36 cait should be gone in 17.05.01 07:36 drojf i stopped before the onboarding too, no user categories or anything 07:36 cait that's a known bug 07:36 drojf sample data does not get imported for me 07:30 drojf table is there 07:30 drojf oh sorry 07:30 drojf 8 rows in set (0.00 sec) 07:30 drojf +----------------+-------------+------+-----+---------------------+----------------+ 07:30 drojf | branchcode | varchar(10) | YES | MUL | NULL | | 07:30 drojf | date_updated | timestamp | YES | | NULL | | 07:30 drojf | date_created | timestamp | NO | | 0000-00-00 00:00:00 | | 07:30 drojf | date_canceled | timestamp | YES | | NULL | | 07:30 drojf | date_enrolled | timestamp | NO | | CURRENT_TIMESTAMP | | 07:30 drojf | borrowernumber | int(11) | NO | MUL | NULL | | 07:30 drojf | club_id | int(11) | NO | MUL | NULL | | 07:30 drojf | id | int(11) | NO | PRI | NULL | auto_increment | 07:30 drojf +----------------+-------------+------+-----+---------------------+----------------+ 07:30 drojf | Field | Type | Null | Key | Default | Extra | 07:30 drojf +----------------+-------------+------+-----+---------------------+----------------+ 07:30 drojf MariaDB [koha_koha]> describe club_enrollments; 07:30 cait i think on irc maybe, but not on the bug report 07:29 drojf ok sec 07:29 drojf did they say what os they are using? 07:29 cait club_enrollments 07:29 cait maybe you could take a quick look if you got the missing one in yours? 07:29 cait missing db tables 07:28 drojf i'll do another instance and try to avoid the onboarding tool 07:28 cait yeah, but this is a first time installation 07:27 drojf but we will have mariadb as default in newer debian and as workaround in ubuntu since 16.04 07:27 cait could you comment that it worked for you? 07:27 drojf that does not mean we should not fix the mysql bugs ;) 07:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18836 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Patron login is erroring out after failing to find table 07:27 cait bug 18836 07:27 drojf we should ditch mysql as recommendation and change all docs to maria 07:27 cait can't find the bug he filed now of course 07:26 drojf stretch has mariadb 07:26 cait i wonder now if it was a mysql problem maybe 07:26 drojf a bit odd 07:26 cait drojf: somoene had a problem completing the web installer a few days ago 07:26 drojf i said yes to all sample data. but maybe that is irrelevant if you then use the onboarding tool 07:26 paul_p cait nope, it's finished. I'm waiting for the driver that will bring me back to airport (in half an hour) 07:26 cait some sample data, but you didn't install those 07:25 drojf should i? 07:25 cait hm 07:25 drojf no 07:25 cait did you experience any problems witht he web installer? 07:25 drojf not that i expected anything else at this point 07:25 drojf anyway i git a 17.05 on stretch and it seems fine 07:25 drojf a shame i have used it for thje first time now ;) 07:25 cait paul_p: are you still hackfesting? 07:24 drojf should 07:24 cait wb paul_p 07:24 drojf yes is hould 07:24 drojf ok. would have made more sense for the test install 07:24 cait drojf: you shoudl check out the manual :) 07:24 cait but you shoudl still be able to go into the usual installer process 07:24 cait i only tested it early on 07:24 cait drojf: i think there sould be a link to an advanced mode or something like that 07:23 drojf cait: i looked it up yesterday 07:23 drojf hmm. are the default libraries and categories gone completely with the new onboarding tool? or did i miss something? 07:23 cait we didn't see a drop of rain here yesterday... 07:23 cait drojf: math? at this temperatures? 07:22 drojf cait: it's UTC+8, ours +6 07:22 paul_p cait 3:30PM 07:22 drojf hi cait and paul_p 07:20 cait waht time is it? 07:20 paul_p cait good morning to you though 07:20 paul_p hello cait. Not really morning in Manila ;-) 07:19 cait morning paul_p 07:19 * cait waves 07:09 drojf hi eythian 07:09 eythian Hi 07:04 drojf hi #koha 07:04 reiveune hello 06:38 magnuse dtu++ 06:37 cait dtu++ 06:32 magnuse great to see an academic library in denmark using koha! 06:31 magnuse yeah, i tried generating epub and there were some errors in the source that i *think* caused some chapters to be shorter than they really are 06:30 cait marcelr++ 06:25 cait https://annuel2.framapad.org/p/KohaManualTodo < started a to-do list 06:25 cait https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Editing_the_Koha_Manual 06:24 cait lots to do tho 06:24 cait sphinx is quite cool, I am still learning, but i generated the html and epub version yesterday form the source files 06:22 cait i just asked rangi the same :) but we encourage to use it for making contributions 06:19 magnuse s/=/?/ 06:19 magnuse is gitlab the official home of the docs= 06:18 cait works now thankfully :) 06:18 cait :) 06:18 cait born out of frustration... had some trouble making it work last night 06:18 magnuse cait++ for the idea of putting the docs tools into kohadevbox 06:16 magnuse \o/ 06:15 * fridolin release day for 17.05.01 06:15 fridolin hie there 06:13 marcelr hi magnuse, cait 06:13 magnuse hiya cait and marcelr 06:10 marcelr hi #koha 06:07 cait good morning #koha! 05:53 * magnuse waves 02:18 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha wizzyrea paul-kohacon17 02:02 mtompset No fault of the QA team... just not enough people. :( 02:02 wizzyrea as you do 02:01 mtompset Thanks, but it seems I've hit the horrid QA bottleneck. :( 02:01 wizzyrea mtompset++ 02:01 wizzyrea that is good work 02:01 wizzyrea \o/ 02:00 mtompset I've got jessie, xenial, and stretch coming up smoothly. 01:59 mtompset And I'm itching for issue #200 to get pushed to the kohadevbox. 01:57 mtompset instance:user:pass:dbname:host <--- 9409 :) 01:56 wizzyrea (that's a thing I do quite often, create a Koha that uses an external server) 01:56 wizzyrea yes, I approve of all of those things 01:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14533 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , koha-create --use-db option shouldn't create any db or db user 01:56 mtompset Oh and bug 14533 01:53 wizzyrea Ahhh 01:53 mtompset I'm attempting to dockerize Koha, and these bugs make it easier to automate nicely. 01:53 wizzyrea :) 01:53 mtompset that's beyond the scope of my issues right now. 01:53 wizzyrea and fixing enable/disable/koha-plack to do the right things with that setup 01:52 wizzyrea would also like to see separate vhost files for opac and intranet instead of one file 01:52 wizzyrea oh, yes approval 01:52 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18564 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , koha-common.cnf parsing is too restrictive 01:52 mtompset bug 18564 01:52 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9409 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , koha-create --request-db should be able to accept a dbhost option 01:51 mtompset bug 9409 01:51 wizzyrea mtompset, which bug? 01:51 huginn mtompset: tcohen1 was last seen in #koha 8 weeks, 1 day, 12 hours, 29 minutes, and 51 seconds ago: <tcohen1> Joubu++ 01:51 mtompset @seen tcohen1 01:51 huginn mtompset: tcohen was last seen in #koha 12 hours, 15 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: <tcohen> @wunder cordoba argentina 01:51 mtompset @seen tcohen 01:51 huginn mtompset: Joubu was last seen in #koha 1 day, 4 hours, 21 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: * Joubu is afk for ~10days, take care #koha 01:51 mtompset @seen Joubu 01:51 mtompset There... ANOTHER koha-create patch submitted. 01:02 wizzyrea \o/ NICE 01:01 paul-kohacon17 3 patches signed off !