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23:44 wahanui rangi: Out of cards on drive D:
23:44 rangi excuse
23:44 wahanui rangi: Melting hard drives
23:44 rangi excuse
23:44 wahanui rangi: Lightning strikes.
23:44 rangi excuse
23:44 wahanui rangi: Someone was smoking in the computer room and set off the halon systems.
23:44 rangi excuse
23:44 wahanui rangi: The UPS doesn't have a battery backup.
23:44 rangi excuse
23:44 wahanui rangi: You put the disk in upside down.
23:44 rangi excuse
23:44 wahanui rangi: The lines are all busy (busied out, that is -- why let them in to begin with?).
23:44 rangi excuse
22:53 hjloop Thank you
22:52 cait night #koha
22:52 cait time to sleep here
22:52 cait but i can't help you more, sorry
22:52 cait to cut of M- before doing max
22:52 cait you might want to look for the substring function
22:50 hjloop Excuse me, can I help M-042785 to ignore the letters in a mysql query and get the maximum value of the number, please
19:52 * cait1 waves
19:36 tcohen later #koha
17:37 thd Joubu: I certainly see the great utility of welcome pages. I created some welcome wiki usage guides for the previous Dokuwiki Koha wiki. The task requires much time and concentration to do well.
17:28 Joubu that is the top priority at the moment
17:28 thd Joubu: I will look at completing the two related tasks to which I assigned myself in the next couple of days. I need to help my elderly neighbour now before the visiting nurse comes..
17:27 Joubu https://tree.taiga.io/project/joubu-koha-rm-1711/task/24 (see the related pad link)
17:27 Joubu and especially "#24 Create one main entry point on the wiki (for everybody)"
17:27 Joubu https://tree.taiga.io/project/joubu-koha-rm-1711/us/21
17:27 Joubu thd: if you have some time to spend on the wiki, you should take a look at "#21 welcome new contributors"
17:22 thd ough 'literary warrant' and understanding of the scope of Global bug squashing days at a time when the distinction may have had the potential to have more value.
17:22 thd Joubu: Answering my own question and reverting to my earlier thinking the wiki pages for which QA_sprint_days have been assigned are probably better assigned to global bug squashing days which already includes one QA sprint day page and would be a better use especially as global bug squashing days have generally included QA squashing along with bug squashing more narrowly. The QA_sprint_days category was most likely created without en
17:21 Joubu thd: no
17:04 thd Joubu: Consequently, do you have a suggestion for a more useful category for which the pages which have been assigned the QA_sprint_days would be helpful such that removing QA_sprint_days would be constructive rather than destructive?
17:01 thd Joubu: I agree that the category QA_sprint_days is little used and necessarily not especially useful, however, all wiki pages should have some type of category assignment so that finding things does not rely entirely on guessing the correct text string in a full text search.
16:59 Joubu LeeJ: thanks!
16:58 LeeJ Joubu: it's supposed to be "en/mandatory/" not "en/default" and it causes 11 tests to fail. I re-ran the unit test with the folder name changed to mandatory and everything passes. Opening a bug report now and will add a patch to it as well
16:57 LeeJ Joubu: line 25
16:56 LeeJ Joubu: because I found yet another unit test bug. https://github.com/Koha-Community/Koha/blob/master/xt/sample_notices.t
16:55 Joubu LeeJ: nope, no default dir. Why are you asking?
16:55 LeeJ Joubu: thd and I were playing a game of Where's Joubu :)
16:55 Joubu thd: we have too many that are not useful, to me it makes sense to remove them
16:54 Joubu back from lunch :)
16:52 thd LeeJ: It only matters to me to see how well or poorly I am managing to use IRC in my situation.
16:51 LeeJ thd: doesn't matter anyway..I answered my own question and I DID find another unit test bug :)
16:49 thd LeeJ: I had guessed that I might have been temporarily disconnected during Joubu's disconnect which would have prevented me from seeing a disconnect message.
16:48 LeeJ anyways..think I found another unit test bug
16:48 huginn LeeJ: Joubu was last seen in #koha 35 minutes and 11 seconds ago: <Joubu> there are 3 "related tasks"
16:48 LeeJ @seen Joubu
16:48 LeeJ haha..helps if spelled right eh?
16:48 LeeJ odd..
16:47 huginn LeeJ: I have not seen @Joubou.
16:47 LeeJ @seen @Joubou
16:47 huginn LeeJ: I have not seen Joubou.
16:47 LeeJ @seen Joubou
16:47 LeeJ thd: nor did I
16:47 thd LeeJ: However, I did not see a disconnect message from Joubu
16:46 LeeJ thd: shows how much attention I've been paying :P
16:46 thd LeeJ: Joubu does not seem to be logged in presently
16:45 LeeJ Joubu: is/was there supposed to be a folder called "default" under installer/data/mysql/en/ ?
16:40 thd s/my/may/
16:33 thd Joubu: I am much more interested in directing attention first to the bigger issue of migrating the wiki to MySQL so that we can upgrade MediaWiki and use faceted categorisation in Semantic MediaWiki. Removing the hierarchical category Koha_Users with no pages of its own my help with faceting, however, removing QA_sprint_days without substituting something for the pages to which it is assigned does not seem to serve any useful purpose.
16:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18296 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , C4::Items - Remove GetItemInfosOf
16:32 jenkins jonathan.druart: Bug 18296: C4::Items - Remove GetItemInfosOf
16:32 jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #192: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 49 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/192/
16:29 * oleonard must split
16:28 LeeJ *cries* I give up..tried running the notices SQL file and got "Error 1452 Cannot add or update a child row; a foreign key constraint fails. I'm having a heck of a time :(
16:28 atheia oleonard: I'm around
16:26 thd Joubu: removing, the category QA_sprint_days would add two more pages to the growing list of orphan pages for which no category has been assigned which are more difficult to find than those with a category assignment.
16:24 oleonard ashimema or atheia around? It doesn't appear to be possible to delete a rota, only deactivate?
16:13 Joubu there are 3 "related tasks"
16:11 thd Do I see only one subtask?
16:10 Joubu https://tree.taiga.io/project/joubu-koha-rm-1711/us/62
16:10 Joubu click on the card
16:10 thd Joubu, how do I see the subtasks?
16:09 thd Joubu, I was just going to ask about that.
16:09 Joubu thd: The "wiki clean-up" tasks has been subdivided in subtasks. I think it makes more sense to assign yourself a subtask instead of the global one
16:07 oleonard installer/data/mysql/en/mandatory/sample_notices.sql
16:05 LeeJ On another note, where would I locate the script to populate the sample notices? Can't seem to locate it
16:03 LeeJ oleonard: thank you so much! I'll definitely try it when I get home to see if it works. I hope so..I always want to get more dev work done at home but haven't been able to.
16:02 LeeJ oleonard: *facepalm* I spent 3+ hours Googling for a fix but could not for the life of me find one
16:00 oleonard LeeJ: I see that in the comments on that page someone says the vagrant-vbguest plugin should make those instructions obsolete
15:58 oleonard LeeJ: I see that someone else asked about that issue here and magnuse suggested this: http://zakelfassi.com/2013/08/29/fix-vagrant-osx-mount-unknown-filesystem-type-vboxsf/
15:55 LeeJ oleonard: Basically, the jessie box downloads and installs and I can SSH in but that's as far as it goes. Koha or any of the tools don't download even though I uncomment them accordingly in vars/user.yml
15:53 LeeJ oleonard: https://github.com/digibib/kohadevbox/issues/197
15:52 oleonard LeeJ: What problems are you having with kohadevbox on Windows?
15:52 huginn 04Bug 18746: minor, P5 - low, ---, chris, NEW , Text_CSV_Various.t parse failure
15:52 LeeJ Joubu: bug submitted! https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18746
15:48 LeeJ Joubu: Oh, I forgot to add (but I'm adding it to the bug report) that the '_e_' in field 4 of test 27 has a dot over it.
15:42 Joubu jenkins does not run the xt tests with -r
15:42 Joubu yes it is
15:39 LeeJ Joubu: I can open it now if it's viable
15:39 LeeJ Joubu: not yet..I wanted to run it by people here first in case it was something trivial or I was just doing something wrong
15:38 Joubu Text_CSV_Various.t I meant
15:38 Joubu LeeJ: did you open a bug report about the csv xt failures?
15:37 LeeJ Joubu: I'm tryinggg...currently I can only do Koha work at my job where I have a dedicated Debian box to dev on since I can't get kohadevbox to run on Windows :(
15:36 Joubu now it needs to become the most active!
15:35 LeeJ ;D
15:35 LeeJ it's probably because that project has an awesome RM
15:35 Joubu looks easy to hit the top 5 of the year :)
15:35 tcohen Joubu++
15:34 Joubu of the month even
15:34 Joubu ;)
15:34 Joubu Best loved taiga project of the week? https://tree.taiga.io/discover/search?order_by=-total_fans_last_week
15:33 LeeJ and Facebook when the auto-complete doesn't pick up on your typing :)
15:33 oleonard ...besides Twitter, I guess.
15:32 LeeJ hahaha
15:32 * oleonard has been on IRC so long he doesn't know where "@username" is used
15:31 LeeJ oleonard: got it! Thanks!
15:31 LeeJ oleonard: whoops! I'm still getting used to using IRC again...haven't been on an IRC channel in almost a decade
15:31 huginn oleonard: drojf was last seen in #koha 2 weeks, 0 days, 8 hours, 26 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <drojf> hei magnuse
15:31 oleonard @seen drojf
15:31 oleonard LeeJ: huginn thinks "@" begins a command meant for him
15:30 oleonard LeeJ: When you add the "@" to a user's nick it confuses huginn the bot. You can leave it out
15:30 Joubu same for me
15:30 huginn LeeJ: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
15:30 LeeJ @Joubu: there we go!
15:29 pastebot "LeeJ" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Text_CSV_Various.t errors" (19 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/439
15:23 huginn LeeJ: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
15:23 LeeJ @Joubu: pasting them now
15:21 thd Joubu Joubu: td-koha@agogme.com currently.
15:20 Joubu LeeJ: what is the error?
15:19 huginn LeeJ: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
15:19 LeeJ @Joubu: speaking of the kanban, I'm planning to chip away at as much as I can this week once I get the kinks worked out of these unit test failures
15:19 thd Joubu: I only say something about internet providers out of extraordinary frustration and lack of sleep.
15:18 LeeJ morning all...anyone ever come across a problem with 'prove -v xt/author/Text_CSV_Various.t'? The wiki's signoff documentation shows that 'prove xt/author' should be run but Text_CSV_Various.t keeps failing on me even when I have all the prereq modules installed.
15:18 Joubu one condition, you are not allowed to talk about your internet providers in comments ;)
15:17 Joubu pm me your email address
15:17 Joubu I have listed some tasks that do not receive enough attention from others
15:17 thd Joubu: Yes even if some rival company has to drill a hole in the wall to let the rain and a new cable in.
15:16 Joubu I can send you an invitation for the kanban if you like
15:16 thd Joubu: yes
15:16 Joubu hum, so it's a no or a yes?
15:15 thd Yes, I should have time now but I have been exhausted from trying to discover what Verizon is doing to restore my home internet connection for the past two and a half months. Going elsewhere merely to use internet service is keeping me from sleeping :(
15:11 Joubu thd: willing to help on the wiki this release?
15:02 reiveune bye
14:48 mtompset didn't know if it was possible to trigger it, but seemed like something not quite right... can't remember where though.
14:47 mtompset A while back I was noting a call to indexer or something like that, which wouldn't exist on the Zebra side of things.
14:46 kidclamp ES stuff I want to toy with and some small patches on the horizon
14:46 kidclamp trying to get my support stuffs organized so I can get back to fun
14:46 mtompset What fun things are you trying to get done, kidclamp?
14:45 kidclamp no worries, you are just trying to get things done :-)
14:44 mtompset Sorry to make you feel unwanted. :)
14:44 mtompset no, no... that makes sense. Sorry for the poke. :)
14:43 mtompset Ah!
14:43 kidclamp you should just ignore me mtompset , sometimes I just try to amuse myself
14:42 kidclamp I saw I had a message, wagged my tail
14:42 kidclamp you "seen" cait, it poked me
14:41 mtompset kidclamp: What are you talking about? Are you going to make me read IRC logs to make sense of things? :P
14:41 huginn mtompset: The operation succeeded.
14:41 mtompset @later tell cait bug 18286-18289 corrected some test bugs that were annoying me, and might address your 16.11.x issues
14:41 kidclamp ah, it was just an incidental poke, no one needs kidclamp
14:40 cait bye all
14:40 huginn mtompset: The operation succeeded.
14:40 mtompset @later tell cait bug 18286-18289 corrected some test bugs that were annoying me.
14:40 cait sorry, just leaving!
14:39 mtompset Are you here, cait?
14:39 huginn mtompset: cait was last seen in #koha 36 minutes and 4 seconds ago: <cait> kidclamp++
14:39 mtompset @seen cait
14:38 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
14:38 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 18296: C4::Items - Remove GetItemInfosOf <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=88e50b6a68a9b433c55cea2d2c8d525edc1887ea>
14:22 * thd imagines the walls of a Dymaxion house with no corners ;)
14:20 thd There was a fork of Koha at Near Eastern University which ran on MS Windows. It is sad that we lost the efforts from NEU.
14:19 eythian well, you may end up with STOCKR~1.PM, but that's on you.
14:19 eythian thd: you can. You just have corner-cases with patches.
14:18 eythian (also, I'm usually wary of "lowest common denominator" solutions, especially when those denominators aren't in use.)
14:18 thd I definitely prefer camel case everywhere as advanced by the guidelines, however, I like to be able to move files across different filesystems without problems.
14:17 atheia (this is speaking purely from my personal perspective, in terms how I would be inclined to vote on this subject)
14:17 eythian also, it's not reasily easy to solve. You can't ban renaming.
14:17 atheia If you feel you want to pursue it, might want to bring it up at the next meeting? But from my side… I think it's probably not worth it for now.
14:16 atheia I wouldn't really have much to contribute to this conversation
14:16 atheia Personally I don't feel strongly about this
14:15 thd However, should we not be aspiring to the possibility that Koha might one day run on a case folding filesystem?
14:14 thd I understand the small scope of the actual incident.
14:13 oleonard This is a problem which one dev faced when testing on one machine thd. It's not worth changing our coding guidelines for at this point.
14:13 atheia e.g. Stockrotationitems.pm -> StockRotationItems.pm
14:12 thd Are guidelines in favour of camelcase for filenames actually forcing this problem?
14:11 oleonard thd: Files were created in one patch, and then the file names were corrected in a subsequent patch
14:11 thd What did the renaming?
14:10 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
14:10 Joubu @later tell rangi can you create a 17.05.x branch for fridolin?
14:10 atheia thd: The issue in this case was not necessarily case dependentness, but renaming one case style to the one expected by Koha standards.
14:09 oleonard thd: No, the patch was correct
14:09 thd Maybe we should add a coding guideline to avoid the use of case dependent file names.
14:07 atheia Perhaps we could add it to the devbox readme (the gotchas section at the end?)
14:07 oleonard It just took me way too long to realize what was going wrong :|
14:07 thd oleonard: People would also have the same problem on OS X, which does casefolding.
14:07 atheia That is good to know about!
14:06 oleonard This could be a problem for other users of kohadevbox on Windows when testing patches which make similar file name changes
14:06 atheia Ah — how frustrating!
14:06 tcohen oleonard: oh! you might better apply it inside the box then!
14:06 oleonard The patch updating to camel case confused Windows because Windows doesn't care about case in file names.
14:05 oleonard Blame Windows.
14:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11897 new feature, P5 - low, ---, alex.sassmannshausen, Needs Signoff , Stock Rotation for Koha
14:05 oleonard I finally figured out why Bug 11897 wasn't applying for me in kohadevbox when it applies fine for everyone else and in my old Debian virtualbox
14:05 LibraryClaire kidclamp++
14:03 * thd returns to persuading his neighbour to take her medicine to keep her out of hospital.
14:03 cait kidclamp++
14:02 kidclamp sleep well BobB
14:02 BobB good night #koha
14:01 tcohen kidclamp++
14:01 oleonard kidclamp++
14:01 kidclamp thanks everyone!
14:01 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2017/general_irc_meeting_7_june_2017.2017-06-07-13.07.log.html
14:01 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2017/general_irc_meeting_7_june_2017.2017-06-07-13.07.txt
14:01 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2017/general_irc_meeting_7_june_2017.2017-06-07-13.07.html
14:01 huginn Meeting ended Wed Jun 7 14:01:16 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
14:01 kidclamp #endmeeting
14:01 kidclamp #info next meeting: July 5, 2017, 21 UTC
14:00 BobB LOL
14:00 kidclamp last chance for dissent on date
14:00 * oleonard will take a break from sharpening sticks and hoarding gasoline in his post-apocalyptic fear-cave to attend the meeting
14:00 thd Sadly, KohaCon dates overlap ALA this year.
13:59 thd Yes, good the dates fall for good return.
13:59 kidclamp July 5th 21 UTC
13:59 * oleonard agrees
13:58 kidclamp I think most should be at work on the 5th
13:58 BobB better for AU too
13:58 thd s/to/too/
13:58 kidclamp 21 is good for me
13:58 thd Also, is 5th to close to US independence day for good participation?
13:58 kidclamp we can do 21, that works for NZ better - but I didn't know if it ciost us anyone so trying it intermittently
13:57 thd Have we been using 21?
13:57 Joubu kidclamp: did not we switch with 21?
13:57 tcohen +1
13:57 kidclamp July 5th, 20 UTC?
13:56 schnydszch nothing else, if you have questions
13:56 kidclamp #topic Next meeting
13:56 kidclamp anything more or set time for next meeting?
13:55 tcohen schnydszch++
13:55 kidclamp schnydszch++
13:55 thd :)
13:55 cait :)
13:55 cait ++
13:55 schnydszch yep
13:55 thd schnydszch: Will you be recording the livestream?
13:54 kidclamp #info working on livestream and video for kohacon2017
13:54 schnydszch who will be helping us for the livestream and event video.
13:53 schnydszch We're working on the livestream part, we've got some volunteers from a local university
13:53 oleonard :D
13:53 schnydszch Yeah I see BWS people here, nick and nathan, will you still be donating for kohacon2017? We're still willing to accept donations :)
13:51 kidclamp yes
13:51 schnydszch Can I say something re: sponsor?
13:51 schnydszch ..But recent investigation, it's only done by a lone gunman. But we assure the participants safety during the event as we already seek security clearance from local police
13:49 schnydszch Paul Poulain and Gaetan Boisson will be coming over. Joann Ransom declined participation upon hearing the isolated accident which happened at Resorts World Manila, that some media tagged it as done by ISIS
13:49 kidclamp anything more schnydszch?
13:48 cait thx schnydszch - i will forward that
13:48 kidclamp #info to who still need to register may email kohacon17@gmail.com or aslplibrarians@gmail.com
13:48 schnydszch *who still want to register
13:47 schnydszch to those who want to register, they can email us at kohacon17@gmail.com or aslplibrarians@gmail.com
13:47 kidclamp #info he organizers have seek security clearance from local police. The venue has its own security so we assure safety of the participants during the event
13:47 schnydszch The organizers have seek security clearance from local police. The venue has its own security so we assure safety of the participants during the event
13:47 cait I know of someone in Manila who woud like to attend
13:47 cait is it still possible to register?
13:47 kidclamp #info see lists for update about situation in souther phillipines
13:46 schnydszch We posted a week before regarding the situation in the Southern part of the Philippines which is 2000 km away from Makati City
13:45 kidclamp #info Kohacon2017 is 2 weeks away - 275 participants - excitement is high :-)
13:45 schnydszch The current registration stands at 275 participants, 50+ foreign, 200+ local.
13:44 schnydszch Just to update you all, kohacon2017 is just two weeks. The organizers are pretty excited and working double time.
13:43 wahanui Sandwich King of the Northeast
13:43 schnydszch Yes kidclamp.
13:43 schnydszch Hi all! Eugene here from Manila, Philippines
13:43 tcohen but no need to add a new guideline
13:43 kidclamp schnydszch, around?
13:43 tcohen or the other way around
13:42 tcohen I think the doc managers should be the ones to talk to devs
13:42 kidclamp #topic KohaCon
13:42 huginn kidclamp: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
13:42 tcohen the manual is a lot about style and ways of telling a message
13:42 kidclamp @topic KohaCon
13:42 ashimema merge/pull.. same thing ;)
13:42 kidclamp #action cait ashimema rangi will talk manual submissions for enhancments and prepare for dev meeting
13:42 cait pull is github
13:42 cait merge request tho
13:42 cait ashimema: kidn of how we want it to work
13:42 ashimema agreed.. lets move on.. :)
13:41 ashimema yup
13:41 Joubu let's move on and vote for the guidelines next dev meeting?
13:41 ashimema personally.. I'd like to see a pull request opened on the doc gitlab and a link to it from the bugzilla bug
13:41 cait but we need to found one :)
13:41 kidclamp I like this discussion but think we should send to list and work up proposal fro dev meeting
13:41 cait i think if you attached to the bug report a 'docs team' could use it
13:41 ashimema I'll talk to cait and rangi about docs patches workflow
13:41 kidclamp I like that idea
13:40 atheia Couldn't one simply add it as a non-patch attachment?
13:40 kidclamp #info manual has new chapters for web installer and the onboarding tool! (shiny new chapters)
13:40 cait if you want to check that out :)
13:40 Joubu will be a mess to find it in the comment of bugz, but maybe the tag can help
13:40 cait oh just one mor ething: we got 2 shiny new chapters for the web installer and the onboarding tool!
13:40 ashimema that's a model I'd love to see taken more widely.
13:40 ashimema so for ptfs-e's patches these days we're slowly moving to more of a team inclusive model.. support + customer refined a spec, dev develops it, support turns spec + development screenshots into documentation.. dev submits the feature along with the docs..
13:40 atheia Yeah, Joubu, I would think so?
13:39 Joubu to explain more deeply what the ft does/how it works?
13:39 atheia Not sure whether it should be in "text for the release notes" or somewhere else.
13:39 Joubu then we need the "text for release notes" + a comment with a "doc" tag for instance?
13:39 atheia Yeah I'm with kidclamp, barton and ashimema here: a new feature should provide a text that at least describes what the feature does and how you use it, as part of the bug.
13:39 * kidclamp pauses
13:39 Joubu wait
13:39 kidclamp moving us on
13:38 cait ashimema +1
13:38 cait i think no qa yet for the manual, but that would be nice once we actually have documentation written :)
13:38 barton ... i.e. have people follow instructions and make sure that they work, and are understandable.
13:38 ashimema I see 'text for release notes' as a minor summary of what the feature does.. whereas the docs are more of a 'how to use this new shiny feature'
13:38 kidclamp I think as long as they can provide the text in the bug we can see about patch submission
13:38 cait for the moment rangi and i iwll be able to merge
13:37 ashimema patch to the manual in my opinion.. partially depends... but that'll come down to the QAer reviewing it ;)
13:37 Joubu s/should/must
13:37 barton I think we also need to test documentation...
13:37 Joubu my understanding was that the dev should fill the "text for the release notes" field on bugz
13:37 ashimema so there's at least a starting point in the docs for anyone to embellish.. if you've done development write you'll have written a spec for the enhancement and that spec should go a long way towards becoming a documentation :)
13:36 atheia But it should definitely be a patch to the manual, not just in perlpod or some such, right?
13:36 Joubu ok perfect
13:36 BobB if devs start the doco, non-devs can improve it
13:36 cait but sometimes we miss the user understandable part :)
13:36 cait yeah, the technical descriptions are good
13:36 ashimema I believe so Joubu
13:36 kidclamp yes, devs can write in dev speak with basic feature
13:36 cait i think that makes sense
13:36 Joubu Is that what we are saying?
13:35 cait he came up with it, just have to write it up now
13:35 Joubu I do not think the dev should provide the whole doc, but at least enough info to explain the doc team to understand it easily
13:35 oleonard i
13:35 thd All programs should also be written to display their own documentation on command.
13:35 kidclamp alright, anything else or move to Kohacon?
13:35 cait rangi++
13:35 kidclamp cait++
13:35 cait that's all from me
13:35 ashimema cait++
13:35 ashimema the bit that was holding me back on that front was it's wasn't hugely clear how to submit doc patches at the time I was trying to go through it.
13:35 cait once we have the workflow down and documented, we could also have a documentation day/documentation party
13:34 cait :)
13:34 cait kidclamp: action a coding guideline for that?
13:34 kidclamp #info ashimema proposed doc requirements for new enhancements will try to have proposal fro next dev meeting
13:33 ashimema will try to fit it in kidclamp :)
13:33 atheia ashimema: seems only fair.
13:33 cait so we shoudl have one
13:33 cait hm i might have been wrong, can't spot it
13:33 tcohen I think enhancements are filled with longer descriptions for inclusion in the release announcement, but that might not be enough for the manual
13:33 kidclamp ashimema want to write something up for devmeeting and send to lists?
13:33 ashimema atheia.. I think you just vounteered to write the housebound docs patch ;)
13:33 barton jzairo's in a conference call, but said that she was interested in volunteering for documentation.
13:33 cait lt met quickly check the coding guidelines
13:32 * ashimema has been bad at QA then if there's a guideline for that.. oops :(
13:32 atheia (also aware I didn't write anything for housebound…! 8-/ )
13:32 cait maybe qa?
13:32 Joubu I can ask for a description before pushing enh/ft if we agree on that
13:32 atheia cait++ & ashimema++
13:32 cait and hope others will help to keep an eye on it
13:32 ashimema :)
13:32 cait ashimema: i think we have that - but yep, i will try to hunt down people in this release cycle to do that :)
13:31 cait so if a library contributes in word or something, we will look for someone to convert it
13:31 kidclamp #info contact them in interested in helping
13:31 * ashimema would love to see a coding guideline to require doc update with new feature submissions.
13:31 cait i think Joubu has a list from the form - maybe we can start with those and use taiga, but I really want to make it as easy as possible
13:31 cait but anyone who wants to contribute or help out, please get in contact :)
13:30 cait tcohen: i think not yet - but it's planned
13:30 cait it would possibly be best to work from the old release notes - I will think about a way to create a list of chapters we miss
13:30 kidclamp #info wiki page to follow, should lower the bar
13:30 kidclamp #info cait and rangi working on a gitlab based update system for the manual
13:30 cait so i hope to get as many volunteeers to help out as possible
13:30 cait we have a lot of documentation to catch up on as not much has happened since Nicole left
13:30 oleonard cool!
13:29 tcohen cait: have you talked with bgkriegel about making a translation available?¡
13:29 cait I have tested it with rangi and will write up a wiki page
13:29 cait there is an easy workflow for editing it with gitlab - no installation or downloads required, just web based
13:29 cait the new manual for 17.05 has been generated and added to the website
13:29 BobB #action Joubu to prepare a 17.05 git branch for frido
13:29 Joubu fridolin: I cannot
13:29 wahanui hmmm... manual is at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation
13:29 cait manual?
13:28 cait fridolin++
13:28 fridolin ill try to do some each day
13:28 fridolin cool
13:28 cait sorry here
13:28 Joubu fridolin: will do
13:27 kidclamp #info frido needs a git branch for 17.05.x and is prepared to start
13:27 fridolin :D
13:27 fridolin i'm not allowed to do it
13:27 fridolin .x
13:27 fridolin but git branch is not yet created : 17.05/x
13:27 fridolin i prepare for RMaint
13:26 kidclamp anything to add?
13:26 fridolin kidclamp: yes
13:25 kidclamp you have something for manual cait? for 17.05 or later?
13:25 kidclamp mtj++
13:25 kidclamp BobB++
13:24 kidclamp #info 16.05.12 & 16.05.13 are buggy (cannot modify patron's passwd), see bug 18740
13:24 BobB its 1am where mtj is, but he's committed to maintaining 16.05
13:24 cait cool thx!
13:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18740 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , [16.05.12-16.05.13] Cannot modify patron password
13:24 Joubu 16.05.12 and 16.05.13 are buggy (cannot modify patron's passwd), see bug 18740
13:24 kidclamp mtj fridolin around?
13:23 tcohen and fix it
13:23 tcohen yesterday we spent some time with Joubu trying to find the issue
13:23 kidclamp #info branch is stable, jenkins is having issues (poor jenkins)
13:23 tcohen your branch is stable
13:23 tcohen cait: those are jenkins problems
13:23 cait i'd be very happy to see it 'blue' again
13:23 kidclamp #info 2 tests failing on 16.11.x
13:22 cait i still got 2 failing tests on jenkins that i don't know how to fix
13:22 kidclamp :-)
13:22 cait well caught up to 17.05 release tag
13:22 cait I have caught up with master, so waiting for the first things he pushes now
13:22 kidclamp #info 16.11 on schedule but following patches from 17.05
13:22 cait but following in fridolin's step now :)
13:22 cait I plan to stick to schedule
13:21 wahanui i heard cait was the best friend you could ever have.
13:21 kidclamp cait?
13:21 wahanui rumour has it fridolin is busy at the moment, I asked him to backport the bug fix
13:21 kidclamp fridolin?
13:21 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York, [still no dial tone or internet from home, waaah]
13:20 kidclamp #topic Update on releases
13:20 atheia oleonard++
13:20 * oleonard is having another go at it atheia
13:20 kidclamp #info 17.05 packages ETA next monday due to release delay and local holidays.
13:20 Joubu Another announcement, from drojf: "17.05 packages ETA next monday due to release delay and local holidays."
13:20 kidclamp #info contact atheia if you have any questions
13:19 atheia If you are willing to test it, but need help, contact me!
13:19 kidclamp #info looking for testers for bug 11897
13:19 ashimema naughty jenkins
13:19 tcohen jenkins--
13:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11897 new feature, P5 - low, ---, alex.sassmannshausen, Needs Signoff , Stock Rotation for Koha
13:19 atheia ehm… Bug 11897 is looking for testers — hoping to get it to QA fast in this release cycle.
13:19 kidclamp okay moving ahead
13:18 Joubu (ha, and jenkins tells master is not stable, but it's wrong :))
13:18 kidclamp Anyone else for announcements?
13:18 cait Joubu++
13:18 kidclamp Joubu++
13:17 kidclamp #action Joubu will send his poll results out to the lists
13:17 Joubu that's all for me
13:17 Joubu to highlight how people are willing to help and what they are expecting for the next release
13:17 tcohen Joubu++
13:17 Joubu I am gonna send a kind of results of the poll to the list
13:16 Joubu tcohen: but do if you like :)
13:16 Joubu tcohen: yes, soon, I plan to do it
13:15 Joubu I think 1h of 5 people and we are done
13:15 kidclamp #info regulars please help with the "welcome new contributor" task and update wiki to make it easier/more welcoming for newcomers
13:15 fridolin indeed
13:15 Joubu our wiki is a mess, some pages are ok but need a bit refresh
13:15 Joubu to clearly list how people can help us
13:15 kidclamp #link https://tree.taiga.io/project/joubu-koha-rm-1711/wiki/home 17.11 kanban board
13:14 Joubu one subtask is to update the wiki pages, to get entry points
13:14 Joubu which is "welcome new contributor"
13:14 Joubu I really (*really*) would like to see more regulars involved in the "top priority" tasks
13:14 tcohen Joubu: do you think we could add how-to.pl to kohadevbox already?
13:14 cait yay :)
13:14 Joubu we are 45 so far
13:14 fridolin #info Fridolin Somers, Biblibre
13:13 Joubu let me know if you want to join us
13:13 Joubu kanban is https://tree.taiga.io/project/joubu-koha-rm-1711/wiki/home
13:13 Joubu and the kanban
13:13 Joubu I am really happy with the feedback/answers I got from the poll
13:13 Joubu I suggested to move it to a collaborative approach
13:12 Joubu as usual, read the what's on in koha-devel email, lot of things in the last one
13:12 josef_moravec_ #info Josef Moravec, Municipal Library Usti nad Orlici
13:12 benjamin #info Benjamin Rokseth, Oslo Public Library
13:12 magnuse Joubu++
13:12 Joubu I have started to push small things
13:12 Joubu ok, just a few things for me:
13:11 Joubu #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_7_June_2017
13:11 Joubu #linkhttps://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_7_June_2017
13:11 * barton wonders how many other ways there are to say 'ByWater Solutions' ;-)
13:11 magnuse #info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway
13:11 * kidclamp moved too quick :-)
13:11 NateC #info Nate Curulla ByWater
13:11 barton #info Barton Chittenden, BWS
13:11 khall #info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions
13:10 tcohen #info Tomas Cohen Arazi. Theke Solutions
13:10 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, USA
13:10 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
13:10 talljoy #info Joy Nelson ByWater Solutions
13:10 kidclamp Floor is open
13:09 kidclamp #topic Announcements
13:09 wahanui I CRUNCH DATA or kicking butt at words with friends
13:09 BobB talljoy?
13:09 tcohen morning
13:08 atheia #info Alex Sassmannshausen, PTFS Europe
13:08 LibraryClaire #info Claire Gravely, Germany
13:08 cc_ #info Colin Campbell, PTFS-Europe
13:08 schnydszch #info Eugene Espinoza Philippines
13:08 felicia # info Felicia Beaudry, Equinox Open Library Initiative
13:08 BobB #info Bob Birchall, Calyx, Australia
13:08 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart
13:08 ashimema #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS-Europe
13:08 kidclamp #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions
13:08 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
13:08 kidclamp #topic Introductions
13:07 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_7_june_2017'
13:07 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
13:07 huginn Meeting started Wed Jun 7 13:07:58 2017 UTC. The chair is kidclamp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
13:07 kidclamp #startmeeting General IRC meeting 7 June 2017
13:07 kidclamp oh, yes, sorry
13:07 huginn Joubu: kidclamp was last seen in #koha 2 hours, 59 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: * kidclamp *whispers* sorry eythian
13:07 Joubu @seen kidclamp
13:06 atheia As a veggie I formally oppose meating, but am in favour of meeting time :-)
13:06 BobB else I'll go to bed :)
13:05 BobB Good call joubu
13:05 Joubu meating time?
13:05 wahanui mmm meat
13:05 Joubu kidclamp: meeting time?
12:58 * ashimema would like to mention that he's made it mandatory for us to submit a documentation patch along with the full and proper submission of ILL ;).. to set a good example.. as atheia says, right now it's a sort of preview patch.. it all works but you need to work it out yourself a bit right now ;)
12:57 ashimema :)
12:57 oleonard thumbs_up.gif
12:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11897 new feature, P5 - low, ---, alex.sassmannshausen, Needs Signoff , Stock Rotation for Koha
12:55 atheia (Bug 11897)
12:55 atheia The first priority for us, from our perspective is to focus on stockrotation (11897). After that I can finish ILL.
12:55 Joubu hi #koha
12:55 atheia Agreed, I would say it's not really ready for testing yet anyway, as the tests & documentation don't exist yet.
12:54 atheia hey oleonard:
12:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7317 new feature, P5 - low, ---, alex.sassmannshausen, Needs Signoff , Add an Interlibrary Loan Module to Circulation and OPAC
12:50 oleonard The test plan on Bug 7317 is quite intimidating
12:46 rsantellan oleonard: that has been an issue for me for a while, lucky it stil apply the filters and I can see when a message arrive on spam
12:45 oleonard Gmail is aggressively suggesting today that my own messages to the bugs list look like Spam.
12:43 magnuse pro tip: do not leave the "sub {}" off subroutines, it will have surprising effects
12:42 rsantellan good morning #koha
12:22 edveal hello
12:22 wahanui privet, edveal
12:22 edveal Hi
12:20 gaetan_B hello
11:56 magnuse it's not currently possible to hide some kinds of records from non-logged-in users in the opac, right? or did i miss something?
11:53 * benjamin waves back at Magnus
11:53 * magnuse waves to benjamin
11:40 oleonard Hi all
11:02 magnuse meeting in 2 hours?
10:55 ashimema :)
10:49 cait clever
10:49 cait makes sense
10:45 eythian cait: huginn won't expand on bugs when you're already talking to it with @later
10:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16899 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Failed QA , Add ability to disallow overpayments via SIP
10:41 cait bug 16899
10:41 cait ah
10:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16889 minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, RESOLVED FIXED, Move the ::columns subroutines to Koha::Objects->columns
10:41 cait bug 16889
10:40 cait so why no bug reports...
10:40 cait ok
10:40 wahanui cait: sorry...
10:40 cait wahanui:
10:40 cait hm
10:40 huginn cait: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
10:40 cait huginn still gone?
10:22 huginn ashimema: The operation succeeded.
10:22 ashimema @later tell khall I have someone interested in signing off bug 16899 if you could rebase it pretty please?
10:08 * kidclamp *whispers* sorry eythian
10:07 eythian shh
10:07 * kidclamp tries to make it noisier
10:05 kidclamp HI CAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
09:57 cait hm quiet day
08:44 eythian hi
07:15 * magnuse hands the superglue to Bhootrk_
07:13 magnuse kia ora cait
07:10 reiveune salut magnuse
07:10 magnuse bonjour reiveune
06:46 reiveune hello
06:21 * magnuse waves
06:11 fridolin hie there